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Is out there any Star Trek fans? I tried to use search function, but it seems here is no single word about this greatest sci-fi masterpiece... My favourite series are TNG and my favourite character is Lieutenant Commander Data.

Let's hear the others...

I have seen all of TNG episodes and I love them.  I am a counselor Troi fan, her and her naked Mom.

I love all of the4 movies, especially 2-4.

The new one I thought was excellent, I especially liked Karl Urban ( he played Eomer in LOTR) as Dr. McCoy.

I just watched the new star trek movement and it's made me realize just how much info I have on the phenomenon in my skull..
Gods... I want to own.. ALL of the star trek series, All seasons, and All movies.. on DVD...

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I was lucky enough to purchase most of them as boxed sets of DVD's a while back.

I also have most of my other favourite show which is "Dr Who" the original classic series. I worked as a technician on it too. For some reason a lot of people in the UK seem to be all either/or with Star Trek and Dr Who - but they are both amongst my favourite sci-fi. I also love Babylon 5. Ok ok so I'm a sci-fi junkie ;D

The only Star Trek that I really didn't get so much was DS9. I Love Voyager. Kate Mulgrew is one of my on screen role models. I really wish they had done a Voyager movie...

Live long and Prosper, Tall.

My favorite character in all of the series has to be Quark.  He was just so cute and tried to blend both Human and Ferengi cultures.

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Janet

Quote from: Janet Lynn on December 13, 2009, 12:28:06 PM
Live long and Prosper, Tall.

My favorite character in all of the series has to be Quark.  He was just so cute and tried to blend both Human and Ferengi cultures.

Yeah, Quark is very cute. He appears as human (without makeup) in one DS9 episode, as well as Nog... However, Nog also appears as member of one alien race in Voyager...

I haven't seen all the new movies yet  :-\

But I've been a Star Trek fan since the early television series  :)

Another Trekkie here. First saw second-season summer reruns in 1968 after living abroad for a while and missing out on the first season. But it didn't seem to matter; I got right into the swing of the show and was hooked from day one.

I was irate when the third season opened at a ridiculous time...I think ten o'clock, but it was too late for me. I was six, and my parents were strict about bedtimes. But that didn't stop me from dreaming at night about being on the Enterprise as a sort of mascot.

I loved the three principals for different reasons. Kirk for his brashness, Spock for his intellect, McCoy because he was so human and feeling. In my dreams, Mr. Spock was my math/science tutor. I think one reason I loved him more and more through the years was that he could turn OFF his emotions most of the time but still be quite human at his core while maintaining a very alien presence.

I wonder how many other queer kids of my era identified with Spock?

TOS occupies a special place in my heart, so I really don't like to compare it with any of the spinoffs.  Of the shows that followed, I never really liked TNG and found it stiff and dull. Voyager I stopped watching regularly before it ended; it seemed so PC and got boring for me. I didn't think it was good Trek. Enterprise, of course, died an early death; I watched the first three seasons, and then my depression went into hyperdrive and I lost all interest.

My favorite spinoff is DS9. I liked the intensity, the sociocultural threads, the hard questions and sometimes unsatisfactory answers, the character conflict (think back to the Kirk-Spock-McCoy love triangle--that's good Trek). I felt that this show had more of a sense of humor, even in the last season, than TNG or Voyager. And what a great mix of characters. I don't much like a show in which people don't have any conflict, so DS9 suited me just fine. O'Brien became much more interesting, Keiko became a real character, Worf finally became more than a token Klingon. Dr. Bashir I thought was dead sexy--I love geeky ectomorphs--and the supporting aliens were wonderful. Garak. Gul Dukat. Damar. Kai Winn. Vedek Bareil. Any character played by Jeffrey Combs, but particularly the superb Weyoun, all fifty zillion clones of him.

That's my kind of show.

I wasn't enthralled by the recent movie. It tried too hard, it crammed in way too many characters and too many catch phrases, and it had SLAPSTICK. Good Trek can be funny, but never slapstick.

IMHO.

Longtime TOS fan, I stood in line in '79 to see TMP.

I liked TNG at the time but it hasn't aged well

I think DS9 is be far the best made series in terms of character development and storytelling (even though TOS is my sentimental favorite DS9 is simply very very well done) and it has aged much better than TNG, in my opinion.

I despised Voyager in every way except that I thought Kes was darling and i kind of liked tom paris (in isolation from the way he was handled on the show)

I liked Enterprise a lot better than most, but it was a highly flawed series until Manny Coto took over for Season 4.

Season 4 was as AT LEAST as good as TNG ever was, even with a less than impressive Captain (I like Backula but he was just wrong for that sort of character)

I liked all the movies up through First Contact, I though Insurrection wasn't even a decent example of a TNG television episode. Nemesis wasn't as bad as the grief it's taken but it wasn't good.

Wrath was the best but Undiscovered Country was close, despite all the goofy anachronisms.

Quote from: Laura Hope on December 13, 2009, 05:09:06 PM
Season 4 was as AT LEAST as good as TNG ever was, even with a less than impressive Captain (I like Backula but he was just wrong for that sort of character)

Now, this is interesting. I mostly enjoyed the series till I fell into a dark hole, so I haven't seen the last season. I like Bakula too (fond memories of QL) but wondered why they cast him. I wondered if they had done it because of his previous association with sf. Anyway, I thought the captain needed a bit more character. Can the dog, and make the captain more interesting. That was my take. But I had no really strong objections to him. Who would you have cast?

BTW, I thought they did a very good job in casting the latest movie, but I felt that the whole Chekov thread (and, yes, the character himself) was completely superfluous.

Quote from: Arch on December 13, 2009, 05:15:57 PM
Now, this is interesting. I mostly enjoyed the series till I fell into a dark hole, so I haven't seen the last season.

Cotto went back to the idea of a true prequel to TOS.

The first two-parter wasn't that great because they had to tie up the stupid space-nazi cliffhanger.

But the did a three show arc tied to Khan's storyline (featuring Brent Siner as an ancestor of Dr. Soong) and a three show arc about Vulcan and another one about Andor
and a two-parter in the Mirror Universe.

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I like Bakula too (fond memories of QL) but wondered why they cast him. I wondered if they had done it because of his previous association with sf. Anyway, I thought the captain needed a bit more character. Can the dog, and make the captain more interesting. That was my take. But I had no really strong objections to him. Who would you have cast?

Ben Browder if he hadn't still been tied up on Farscape, wold have been a good choice....and I always had a soft spot for Bruce Campbell in the center seat (although you could never have written him as the "guy in over his head" the way Archer was written).
The same is true of Gary Sinse although I wouldn't have supposed at the time that Sinse would do a series.

But i think the most perfect guy for the role, bar none, would have been Mark Harmon.

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BTW, I thought they did a very good job in casting the latest movie, but I felt that the whole Chekov thread (and, yes, the character himself) was completely superfluous.

the problem with Chekov in the move was that he was too damned young. Bad enough that he was 17, but he was 17 and already on the ship (as opposed to being a cadet).

Chekov was, essentially, Wesley Crusher.

But yes, otherwise the casting was fantastic. The only other one I had a problem with was Surak. I didn't think the guy who played him was close enough to the gravitas of Mark Leonard.

Laura,

I guess I'll have to watch the whole Enterprise thing on DVD.

Bruce Campbell is awesome. I'm not a big fan of Mark Harmon, but it would have been interesting to see him in the role.

I was very put off by the Chekov thread, for all the reasons you mention, and more. It didn't border on absurdity, it really was absurd.

I can't think of anyone who could have done Sarek as a younger man. Mark Lenard was always awesome, a genuine Star Trek institution. And he was fantastic in "Balance of Terror," one of my all-time favorite TOS episodes.

off the top of my head, I'm not sure what actor would have been appropriate but Sarek at that point would have only been 6 or 7 years younger than he was in Journey to Babel and that's nothing for a Vulcan.

Here's how he looked in that episode:


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Ben Cross looked ok enough but there was just...something off.

It might seem an odd suggestion but I wonder if Alan Rickman wouldn't have done well in the part...

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Better yet, Javier Bardem

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given Rickman's age.

Thing is whether or not Bardem would have taken such a relatively supporting role.

Hello. A Trans Trekkie here. I grew up watching TNG and Voyager. I could never really get into the Classic Star Trek. DS9 was alright but my favorite has to be Voyager. I just love all of the character conflicts. Especially the Tom Paris/B'lanna Torres and Nellix/Tovak conflicts. My fav character has to go to Doctor(EMH) "Computer. Activate The Emergency Command Hologram" The color changes from green to red, the four Pins appear in gold right to left signifying the rank of captain, and janeway says nice touch. From season 6 episode 4 tinker tenor doctor spy. I had to look up what the episode's name was. I just thought that episode was funny has hell.
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QuoteThing is whether or not Bardem would have taken such a relatively supporting role.

Bardem did a great deadpan in No Country for Old Men. He might have pulled it off. And some actors will take supporting roles just to be part of the ST phenomenon.

Amrisa: Alas, I never did get into Voyager, although I must have watched a good five and a half seasons before I gave up. Never really liked Kate Mulgrew and thought the character conflict was tepid and there was too much PC...I suspect that I have a higher threshold than most people for conflict. I did love the doc, though. Wasn't he terrific?

As any of a vast number of Hollywood films prove it's possible to get great actors for sometimes the most fleeting roles.  It's all about paying them and the billing.  Sometimes like you said they will do it just to be a part of a successful series like Batman.  Or because they want to do something different.  I've heard of lots of stars doing kinda minor roles in kiddie type movies (and Star Trek is kind of kiddie stuff) so their kids could see them in a movie.  I'm sure if Bardem has munchkins around he's not letting them watch daddy in No Country for Old Men.  And there is the epic war movie deal.  Just look at The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far.  Dirk Bogarde, James Caan, Michael Caine, Sean Connery, Edward Fox, Denholm Elliot, Elliot Gould, Gene Hackman, Anthony Hopkins, Hardy Kruger, Laurence Olivier, Ryan O'Neal, Richard Burton, Robert Mitchum, Sean Connery, Henry Fonda, Red Buttons, , Peter Lawford, Gert Frobe, John Wayne, Irina Demick, Curt Jurgens and Robert Wagner, Robert Redford, Maximillian Schell, Liv Ullman, (Sean Connery is on there twice because he is the only person to appear in both).  They got all those people to be in just two movies.  A lot depends on the project, and there has never been a 'minor' StarWarsTrek project. 

Quote from: Tal-12A7 on December 13, 2009, 08:25:36 AM
Is out there any Star Trek fans? I tried to use search function, but it seems here is no single word about this greatest sci-fi masterpiece... My favourite series are TNG and my favourite character is Lieutenant Commander Data.

Let's hear the others...

Favorite is DS9 and favorite character is Major Kira.

Mmmmmm, Bogarde.

Another point on Bardem - if this Kirk ever meets Khan...he's the guy for that role.

Quote from: Laura Hope on December 14, 2009, 05:11:48 PM
Another point on Bardem - if this Kirk ever meets Khan...he's the guy for that role.

Dayyam, that would be cool.

Wow, I haven't been on here in months and walk into a Star Trek discussion.  I'm a fan of all the series although I did feel that DS9 left something to be desired.  With TOS, think of what that show has influenced.  They had these cool computers that actually sat on a desk and these wonderful hand held communicators.  When TOS was on originally we looked at those things and said, "Yeah, not in my lifetime."  BTW, does anyone think it was an accident that the Nextel push to talk phones chirped like the original communicators?

As for Enterprise, I wonder how David James Elliot would have done as Archer?

Now to make all the true Trekkers jealous.  Written on a piece of paper in my scrapbook is:
To (male name)
Live long and prosper.
Gene Roddenberry

Bev

I have to admit that I enjoyed "Enterprise". I can't quote it and this does NOT make me a part of the club, I just thought it was a good story   :icon_wink:

Quote from: Becca on December 14, 2009, 05:49:32 PM
I have to admit that I enjoyed "Enterprise". I can't quote it and this does NOT make me a part of the club, I just thought it was a good story   :icon_wink:

A lot of people had problems because this film tampered with the original timeline. I can see this view, but I also feel that this is a legitimate (albeit overused) sf convention. The writers of that script were stuck between a rock and a hard place in certain ways. It is difficult to start over again at the beginning and write a good story that still contains surprises but doesn't violate the original timeline. It's quite possible, but I wouldn't expect it from Hollywood--and, obviously, didn't get it.

I'm one of those people who wish that the timeline had stayed intact, but that's not why I found the film disappointing. Parts of it I liked very much. As a whole, I thought it mediocre.

Well I don't really know the greater timeline, but poor Captain ARCHer was always being messed with by time travelling aliens so that has to be worth something. Give the guy a break he has swiss cheese for a brain.

Was there an Enterprise movie? I thought it was just a series and if there was a movie I'd love to see it.

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on December 14, 2009, 05:48:38 PM
Now to make all the true Trekkers jealous.  Written on a piece of paper in my scrapbook is:
To (male name)
Live long and prosper.
Gene Roddenberry

The Great Bird of the Galaxy! Cool!

I once saw him referred to in a news article as the Great Bird of Paradise. I still wonder if it was a mistake or a joke.

I've got a question for y'all.

Did anyone else think that Captain Kirk just looked wrong in the recent movie?

Every other character was recognizable. I just felt they cast Kirk horribly.

Given the normal variation in actors, I thought Pine was fine.

I was also disappointing, now that i think of it, that they didn't do the obvious thing and cast Ray liotta as Captain Pike.

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Sure he's too old now but a little hollywood camera magic could fix that.


(I do like Bruce Greenwood in general, btw)

Quote from: Laura Hope on December 14, 2009, 09:59:53 PM
Given the normal variation in actors, I thought Pine was fine.

I was also disappointing, now that i think of it, that they didn't do the obvious thing and cast Ray liotta as Captain Pike.

I was fairly happy with Pine but wished he would be a bit more Kirklike in his mannerisms and delivery. Or more Shatnerlike...

Ray Liotta. Sigh. I used to have quite a thing for him. And for Jeff Hunter, too, come to think of it. Maybe I'll rent King of Kings this Christmas.

A shameless plug for the thread I started upon the release of Star Trek.

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I'm ready for a new TV version.

deep space nine was my favorite ive always been partial to the romulon empire with the bird of prey being my favorite ship next to that any borg vessal.
jessica

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I would totally wear that top in green or red. Maybe not red, that's risky but green or pink for sure.

I just started watching the show myself on CBS.com.  They only have Star Trek Enterprise, but so far it seems good.  I don't like the Vulcan-captain relationship though :-p.  (I just finished episode 3 today.)

Quote from: transnikki on July 12, 2010, 05:35:01 AM
I just started watching the show myself on CBS.com.  They only have Star Trek Enterprise, but so far it seems good.  I don't like the Vulcan-captain relationship though :-p.  (I just finished episode 3 today.)

Have you seen any of the older oues? it would be fascinating to find out what someone thought of Enterprise if it were the first Trek they had ever seen.

Gosh, I'm getting majorly into Star Trek: The Original Series at the moment. Prior to that I'd seen one or two episodes of Voyager and liked it, but not enough to dig it out of the internet and watch it. I also watched the recent movie, which sparked my curiosity enough for me to seek out the original and watch it. But honestly, I think it's amazing. Yes, it's cheesy and the effects don't stand the test of time unscathed (remember the fight with the Gorn? Hilarious) but really, it's the ethos of it and the cameraderie of the characters that hook you and keep you watching. Not to mention there are a ton of cultural references everywhere I look that I now get! I never knew there were so many!  :D
With regards to the recent-ish Trek movie I just rewatched it for the first time since watching a load of the original series, the young Spock snogging Uhura everywhere seems illogical (to say the least) and out-of-character (not to mention he spent so much of the movie punching things), and I agree with insanitylives who said the guy they got to play Kirk wasn't quite right. He's too thin and doesn't have that "I own this place and will do it my way or I'm not doing it at all" air that Shatner did. But that's just my opinion, I think he's a good enough actor otherwise. The story wasn't that well-written either (no real moral message, just a load of shooting at Romulans). Despite these gripes though, I enjoyed it. (/rant, sorry!)

I liked the movie (Spock's romance notwithstanding) for what it was but it DEFINITELY didn't have the storytelling chops of TOS.

I doubt, really, that any big budget movie ever will. that's not what folks want from an action film. Something like Doc Oc's moral ambiguity in the Spiderman film is about as deep as you get in that genre.

No, I haven't seen any of the shows.  I have seen some of the movies though, so pretty much everything I know about Star Trek is from them.

Quote from: Hannah on December 15, 2009, 05:17:02 AM
I would totally wear that top in green or red. Maybe not red, that's risky but green or pink for sure.

You know, pink can be almost like red depending on the shade.

I like anything to do with Star Trek, except for the captain of Voyager.  The actress just seems wrong for that character.

Also, the most underrated thing in Star Trek has to be the movie Nemesis.  That was such an awesome movie for so many reasons, but it got a lot of hate from both critics and fans.

I'm surprised the latest movie (non-cleverly titled only "Star Trek") was received well.  Sure it's entertaining and flashy, but it has less storyline than most regular episodes.  It's almost just a combination of the previous few movies.  As if we haven't already had too many movies and episodes featuring time travel or disgruntled Romulans, now we have both time travel and disgruntled Romulans in the same movie!

Then again, First Contact had a fairly lame premise as well.  The Borg travel back in time to assimilate humanity before humans have the technology to put up a fight.  But at least Alice Krige mad the movie interesting.  She gives me the creeps.

I love just about all things ST. Shows, movies, books... I even have the tech manuals for various Enterprises. lol!! My favorite would probably be Voyager (I think Janway rocked), followed by TNG, OS, DS9 and finally (even below Quantum Leap) would be Enterprise.

Anyone ever been to the old Star Trek Exhibit in Vegas? It was *totally* awesome!!

Live long and prosper

Have long been a Star Trek fan.  My childhood dreams were often about Spock or Kirk. 
Dif-tor heh smusma - live long and prosper (in Vulcan)

Quote from: Robertina on July 14, 2010, 09:39:57 AMMy childhood dreams were often about Spock or Kirk.

Mine, too. And of course I thought I was the only person on the planet who wished they would just jump into bed already. But then, I also thought of the Hardy Boys as a couple, even though they were brothers. ::)

Quote from: Arch on July 20, 2010, 11:07:13 PM
Mine, too. And of course I thought I was the only person on the planet who wished they would just jump into bed already. But then, I also thought of the Hardy Boys as a couple, even though they were brothers. ::)

Have you ever heard of a YouTube show called 'The Ship's Closet'? That person is convinced Kirk and Spock were intended to be a covert gay couple in the 60s, and the evidence she gives is... kinda compelling.  :D

Quote from: Fenrir on July 21, 2010, 08:29:54 AMThat person is convinced Kirk and Spock were intended to be a covert gay couple in the 60s...

I haven't seen all of her videos; but as I recall, her argument is a lot like Andy Medhurst's argument about Batman. He says that Batman can be read as a gay character because there are sufficient clues and details to allow such a reading. I know that in her first video, what's-her-name of "The Ship's Closet" doesn't say that Kirk and Spock are gay but that they are bisexual...but I don't know if she changes her argument anywhere down the line.

Maybe I'm misremembering. Does she actually say at some point that they were explicitly designed to be a "covert gay couple"? Guess I'll have to watch some more.

Well, I was just watching it one day and thinking 'yeah, I suppose you could see the scene in that way', etc. etc., not really taking it that seriously because c'mon, it was the 60s. I've seen some of the Batman TV series from that era and it's ridiculously camp but I'm not going to take it anywhere near seriously as a kind of covert gay thing because most people just didn't think in that way back then! It was cheesy, that's all there is to it. However, there was this quote from Gene Roddenberry (from an interview in Shatner's biography 'Where No Man...') that she talks about in the second episode that changed my mind:
"Interviewer: There's a great deal of writing in the Star Trek movement which compares the relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion to the relationship between Kirk and Spock- focusing on the closeness of the friendship, the feeling that they would die for one another..."
GR: "Yes, there's certainly some of that- certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal - we never suggested in the series - physical love between the two. But it's the- we certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century."
Make of that what you will. The last sentence of that quote convinced me there was something else going on behind the characters.  ;)

That idea of love goes to David and Jonathan in the old testament as well.

but that kind of love doesn't HAVE to be physical or even romantic. it can also be something like "more than brothers"

anyway, i tend to think that often such charaters and writing were deliberately written with a sort of "easter egg" mentality in which one could not ever actually say, for instance, "Kirk and Spock are a gay couple" BUT there was room for the diligent observer, if he were so inclined, to "read into" the story that undertone.

That is, clues if you want them to be clues but otherwise merely random bits of noise.


Perhaps the most obvious bit of this sort of business was the way a lot of Wonder Woman comics had images and themes that could imply female bondage fetishes were being played to.

My best friend and I call each other brothers and we live together.  We are more than friends, and since we are best friends, we are more than brothers.  We don't have a sexual relationship, but we are very close.  Although he is younger, he is more like my older brother, and I'm more like his sister. 

Anyway, there are lots of youtube mock videos about gay relationships on the different Star Trek shows, even Wesley and Piccard on TNG. 

Something is not right about the world now, with no Star Trek show running - only reruns!  I even joined a startrek group on Second Life - but have not been there for a long time.

Robertina, I'm like that with my best friend. Even though right now its more like a brother/brother relationship, he just can't wait till it becomes a brother/sister relationship.

He doesn't share my love for star trek though :( but he does about other sci-fi series. So I'm happy with that.

Yeah, he doesn't even know what Star Trek is or like science fiction really.  He just likes action stuff, so maybe he would if there was a lot of action and little dialogue (he has trouble with English).  Yet, we have many other common interests.

I love Star Trek, especially TNG, followed by DS9 and Voyager.

Here's a funny commercial for TNG that I used to see all the time as a kid.

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Quote from: Fenrir on July 21, 2010, 12:14:37 PM
I've seen some of the Batman TV series from that era and it's ridiculously camp but I'm not going to take it anywhere near seriously as a kind of covert gay thing because most people just didn't think in that way back then!

You really have to go all the way back to the comic books, and read Wertham, to see it all. And most people wouldn't have to think along those lines...only the creator if he had a bit of wish-fulfillment fantasy. Of course, it was almost certainly a fantasy about male bonding or father-son relationships, not gay ones. But people can get out of it whatever they please.

I started watching Voyager a few years ago but got distracted. I picked it back up a few months ago, then went onto TNG, then DS9, then Enterprise, and now I'm working my way through TOS. I've seen all the movies too.
I was almost as afraid to be a real geek when I was a kid as was afraid to be a girl, so now I have a lot of catching up to do.

Live Long and Prosper, the orginal series here

Me too.
I got most of the original series on VHS tapes.
I know them by heart.
Jillieann

Yep... count me in...

If only Gene Roddenberry was allowed to enforce a new world order rather than the bl##dy-bleeding Bilderberg group and industrio/finance/militia corprotocracy bunch that we currently have in charge.... eh....?

I really enjoyed too the latest movie (JJ Abrams) showing James Tiberius Kirk's rise to command performance helm seat stature.... with all the key characters in their junior variants...great casting... there will be 2 more using the same team hopefully? 2012...before the next one will hit the big screens...

But for my personal fave trekkie role model....I always come back to Chief Science Officer...

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Jadzia Dax...

Though I also loved too 7-of-9.....for her uber-kool blonde intel-efficiency...

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I guess I'll always have a soft-spot for those damn sassy uber-boffin geeky-gals with fearless can do attitude...?

who didn't like 7-0f-9
as for the new star wars movie with vulcans in it I wasn't impressed

I've been watching Deep Space Nine.  I must say that I really like the character of Odo and also the one of Jadzia Dax.

I also always liked Major Kira.  The actress is perfect for the part.

Huge Star Trek fan here :-D

I tend to think Voyager is HIGHLY underrated.

And while the new film was good, this whole "alternate timeline" thing is pretty unacceptable to me.

Quote from: Scarlett86 on February 17, 2011, 01:04:08 AM
And while the new film was good, this whole "alternate timeline" thing is pretty unacceptable to me.

It's not really a new phenomenon.  Timetravel has been abused way too many times in the Star Trek universe, particularly in the feature films.  Think about it, ALL of the movies based on TNG had time as a major theme:

1)  Generations:  Kirk gets caught in the Nexus, where he is found later by Picard.
2)  First Contact:  The Borg travel back in time to assimilate Earth, and the Enterprise must stop them.
3)  Insurrection:  the crew of the Enterprise must protect a culture whose environment delays the progression of aging.
4)  Nemesis:  Picard must stop the warlord Praetor Shinzon, who is essentially a younger version of himself.

Since no-one's mentioned it here, I assume you don't know about Star Trek Phase II (http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/)? It's a group of professional fans in "the business" who are putting together non-profit episodes of the Original Series in its fourth season that never got made, using some parts of the old unaired scripts, new actors (and some of the original ones too, which is so cool) with some of the original sets etc. The first couple of episodes are a bit shaky as they try too hard for self-conscious cheesiness, but once it warms up, it's really well done, I think.

Check out especially the two-parter, Blood and Fire, which has (finally!) a gay storyline - which I won't spoil for you ;).

As for me, I've always loved TOS and TNG, but stopped there because I didn't have any more room in my head for new characters. Of the films, my favourite has always been Generations - which never fails to make me weep like a baby. And I've always been in love with young Pavel Chekov :).

as to the whole alternate timeline thing, I've argued from the time that "Enterprise" was announced that we'd best all assume that "First contact" altered the timeline, so that Enterprise doesn't occur in the same timestream as TOS flowed from, and that it's THAT timestream which is altered AGAIN in the latest movie.

so that AbramsTrek is actually two steps removed from the "original" (to us) time stream.

(and that's if you don't count the time-stream interventions in STIV, and every one of the previous series)

also the temporal cold war in Enterprise probably mucked things around too, it's all one big wibbly wobbly fuzzy mass of timey wimey stuff :)

I love StarTrek!!

Speaking of time, I just watched an episode today that had to deal with time.  In the TNG episode "Cause and Effect" the Enterprise gets stuck in a time loop where the crew keep repeating the same things over and over again.

Didn't you just say that? 8)

Yup! I love it! I like every series, though I have missed a lot of Enterprise. I'll watch it eventually. I think I've seen all of Voyager, but I may have missed a few episodes. I've never seen the animated series though.

My SO got me into DS9 and now, like her, it is my favorite.  VERY good series and my favorite Captain because he was so... corruptible.

Yes indeed. :) I'm a big fan of TOS, have all seasons on DVD and rewatch them pretty regularly. I've seen the movies and some of the later TV series, but really only like TOS and DS9 of those series. TNG isn't too bad, but the captains in VOY and ENT just get on my nerves a lot for some reason. And honestly the only reason I've tolerated watching a few episodes of ENT is because of a crush on T'Pol ::) but the series doesn't really feel like Star Trek to me. Almost forgot Star Trek: The Animated Series, which is hilariously cheesy.

[bump] so... is anyone else watching Star trek Phase II (http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/)? - I think it's great, after its initial clumsy 'pilot'.

Ahh, how did I not see this thread before?

I really like Star Trek. I have seen all Star Trek episodes from every series and of course I've seen all Star Trek movies too. I found something in every Star Trek series that made me watch all the episodes. Star Trek has a lot of flaws, but I still enjoy it from time to time. It shows what could be achieved if people would work together for a better future and I like that very much.

I love Star Trek. Not so keen on the original. But I love TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
Fave characters are: TNG: Beverly Crusher, Capt Picard, Troi, Riker, Ensign Ro. DS9: Jadzia Dax and Kira Voyager: Torres and 7 of 9

I'm huge star trek fan too. I had models, VHS tapes ( god I feel old now ), books, games, and my own Voyager uniform complete with talking comm badge, tricorder and rank pips.  I was mostly a TNG fan and still am. It's hard to narrow down my favourite character but I would have to say Picard followed by Janeway. Picard had this moral line he wouldn't cross much like myself, but Janeway was far from home, treated her crew like family and was also from Indiana. Sisco was a good captain but.. He had.. This, annoying way of speaking.  Kind.. Of like...Kirk.

I have loads of VHS tapes too, TNG and DS9 mostly. I have one DVD boxset of TNG so far, theres so many to collect! I have a lot of action  figures too and some trading cards and plenty of magazines. I went to Generations Con at the royal albert all in london back in the 90s, which was great! I wore a bajoran earring which gave me earache!  ;D

Working my way through early TNG right now - oh, the clumsiness! And I don't care what The Internet says, everyone can see they were just jealous of Wesley :). I love the FAQ on Wil Wheaton's website, he has a great sense of humour.

I think i am one of the few people who liked Wesley! I follow wil on twitter too.

He was okay. I think the way they got him off the show is a bit silly. He was there for the Wedding in Nemesis though, but you have to look hard for him and his scene got cut.

Don't even get me started...

I've seen every episode of every series, every film, and a lot of the crappy fan-made flicks.

The first Halloween costume I got to pick out for myself was Kirk's yellow uniform from the original show.

I even like the films and shows considered crap by most fandom, like The Motion Picture. Actually, I think that's my favorite of all the films. Yeah, I know, I'm crazy. I'm a sucker for big and epic. Although, of course, II and IV are the other classics.

As a side note: what the hell happened to Star Trek? When did it become about laser fights and Star Warsey crap? Okay, arguably, the last half of Deep Space 9 with the Dominion War and all those rad space battles, but at least there was heavy substance behind it all, great acting, and labyrinthine political plots that were exciting.

Okay, I need to stop. My mega-geek is showing.

I still like The Motion Picture too - I'm amazed and delighted by its slow pace, I miss slow films.

I think my favourite is Generations - but then I have a fascination with the general theme of "what happens when heroes get old and die?" which gets addressed in a lot of good mythology (Beowulf, for example), and is carefully dodged in more modern crap mythology. So I find deeply moving the scene where Kirk has gone, Chekov bursts in and says "My god, was anyone in here?" and Scotty just says "...Aye, lad..." and I'm left to imagine what it's like for all of them to deal with his passing.

I found Nemesis really tedious in its formulaic predictability. Sigh... And IV is just hilarious from start to finish, love it. Best line? The two garbage men: "Why are you two always fighting?" "I like the way she fights." ;D (lots of other almost-best lines, of course - "No, I'm from Iowa - I only work in outer space" etc...)

Right? The Motion Picture is the only one of all the films that feels totally epic in scope and grandeur. There isn't even a real villain; it's all about the characters dealing with this super-entity that just wants to find its own personal God that created it. Which leads me to another point: why does every ST film have to have a villain now? It used to be about big ideas and good, hard sci-fi.

Now it's about lasers and scenery-chewing arch nemeses.

I dislike the TNG films, because they lost what makes TNG special. TNG basically worked best as a television show; it didn't have the outlandishness and old-fashioned heroism of the original series that is mostly required to be cinematic. If they were going to do a TNG film, they should have kept the strengths of TNG: modern, interesting characters, with cerebral plots about ideas, ethics, and questions of morality. Instead, they put Picard in a dune buggy and gave him cool sunglasses and a gun. Bald, aging action hero time! Even Generations, which was the closest to having some really powerful character scenes (like when Picard breaks down after hearing his family were killed), had some really nonsensical and stupid things piled into it for ->-bleeped-<-s and giggles (and mainstream appeal), like Data's emotion chip, which was abysmally handled, or the ridiculous amounts of explosions (it appears that the entire bridge is lined with high-energy explosives, so when the ship gets into a phaser fight, people can fly across the room comically). Bottom line: the TNG movies took the show and flushed it down the toilet, in my humble opinion, but there are a few good things here and there.

Yeah, well these days it's all about action and tech, the 18-25 male demographic that is the Mecca of whiz-bang film distributors ensures that nothing too "heavy" or demanding makes its way past the cutting room floor. They've done the same thing with the last Harry Potter film, taken away the biggest message in the whole story and replaced it with a Jedi sword fight, basically.

Quote from: Padma on August 01, 2011, 03:37:02 PM
They've done the same thing with the last Harry Potter film, taken away the biggest message in the whole story and replaced it with a Jedi sword fight, basically.

I agree. Also, speaking of sword fights lobbed into movies for no reason:

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No comment.  :-X

Quote from: Padma on August 01, 2011, 01:46:34 PM
I still like The Motion Picture too - I'm amazed and delighted by its slow pace, I miss slow films.

I think my favourite is Generations - but then I have a fascination with the general theme of "what happens when heroes get old and die?" which gets addressed in a lot of good mythology (Beowulf, for example), and is carefully dodged in more modern crap mythology. So I find deeply moving the scene where Kirk has gone, Chekov bursts in and says "My god, was anyone in here?" and Scotty just says "...Aye, lad..." and I'm left to imagine what it's like for all of them to deal with his passing.

I found Nemesis really tedious in its formulaic predictability. Sigh... And IV is just hilarious from start to finish, love it. Best line? The two garbage men: "Why are you two always fighting?" "I like the way she fights." ;D (lots of other almost-best lines, of course - "No, I'm from Iowa - I only work in outer space" etc...)

Generations is my favorite too! It wasnt so much because it had Kirks Death. What I felt made it special to me was that it dealt with time and how one spent it and that no matter how much you wish you could relive that perfect moment, you just cant do it. You just have the memories to hold on to.

And because it had the Enterprise-D in it. I'm sorry but nothing says pride in your accomplishments in the 24th century like a Galaxy Class Starship. hmm.. I may have to do a render of the D now..

I stopped after TNG (I couldn't face another barrage of DVD obsession). So I don't know what Voyager and DS9 are like, and it'll probably stay that way unless I'm laid up with a broken leg or something. But I think the TNG writers were on to something very good involving archetypes. They didn't always write good dialogue(!) but the archetypes in the stories were sound. I feel the same about the films, which were even more restrained by the desire of film companies to produce a "blockbuster" and so were forced to be much more formulaic and predictable (more and more as time went on) but still managed some grandeur and dignity and nobility in amongst the slapstick and explosions and über-drama, which is something of a feat. I watched Generations last night, I still have issues with the crew in the saucer section not ending up as something resembling strawberry jam inside the saucer after a crash like that, but I don't really wish it upon them :). And it upset and annoyed me that they made Renée look nothing like his younger self from the series. Picky, picky...

I'm a huge fan of TNG, DS9, VOY and the last couple seasons of ENT. Nothing beats TNG though, mainly since I grew up watching it. I've played a bunch of the games too, including the MMO. It's not great as a game but since it's Star Trek I come back to it now and again. I hear it's going to be free to play at some point in the future so I'm sure I'll be playing it some more.

Quote from: Padma on August 02, 2011, 03:00:10 AM
I stopped after TNG (I couldn't face another barrage of DVD obsession). So I don't know what Voyager and DS9 are like, and it'll probably stay that way unless I'm laid up with a broken leg or something. But I think the TNG writers were on to something very good involving archetypes. They didn't always write good dialogue(!) but the archetypes in the stories were sound. I feel the same about the films, which were even more restrained by the desire of film companies to produce a "blockbuster" and so were forced to be much more formulaic and predictable (more and more as time went on) but still managed some grandeur and dignity and nobility in amongst the slapstick and explosions and über-drama, which is something of a feat. I watched Generations last night, I still have issues with the crew in the saucer section not ending up as something resembling strawberry jam inside the saucer after a crash like that, but I don't really wish it upon them :). And it upset and annoyed me that they made Renée look nothing like his younger self from the series. Picky, picky...

If you liked TNG, you will love DS9.

I would say it was the last Star Trek series to have that special, hard-to-pinpoint Trek quality that was all over TNG and the Original Series. It's incredibly well acted and written, and it crossed-over a few times with TNG here and there (the pilot episode starts with the Battle of Wolf 359 from "The Best of Both Worlds," from the perspective of a ship getting its arse handed to it by the Borg).

Also, DS9 is the first series to have an incredibly watchable and not out-of-character pilot episode. Because let's be honest: the entire first season of TNG is mostly terrible. I can barely watch it without wincing.

I love Star Trek. TOS is my favourite but I like all the series I've seen (I've not yet watched Enterprise). Even The Animated Series. No, especially The Animated Series — I mean come on, you have an episode where Spock teaches everyone to use magic, Kirk shoots rainbows out his hands, and then they drink beer with Satan. What's not to like? ;D

My favourite characters are Spock and Data but I love so many others I'd be listing them all day if I tried. It'd probably be easier to list the ones I don't like (Pulaski...).

I enjoyed the new film but didn't love it. I felt like it had too much lens flare and action sequences, and not enough heart. Still, it had its good points. Karl Urban as McCoy really impressed me.

Awh, I loved Pulaski. She was like a transgendered McCoy.  ;D

Quote from: mechakitty on August 09, 2011, 12:51:21 AM
Awh, I loved Pulaski. She was like a transgendered McCoy.  ;D

Yeah, this is something I find confusing about my Pulaski hate, too — I love McCoy. So why do I hate Pulaski so much? Why does it drive me mad when she's rude to Data but I don't feel that way when McCoy is rude to Spock? I have no answers. My friend finds my hatred of her hilarious since he doesn't mind her at all and he knows I like McCoy. And all she needs to do is appear and I'm already gritting my teeth... he just starts laughing at me, every time. :P


Another ridiculous Star Trek hate I have is the Enterprise-D. I just think it is the ugliest starship ever. Whenever there is a long shot of it flying I can't help groaning and then my friend cracks up laughing at me again, because seriously, it's just a starship! How bad can it be? ??? I even like Wesley, but I hate the ship?!

I can't help but find it completely hideous, though. I don't like the way the warp nacelles attach closer to the back than the front, it looks "backwards" to me, like the ship ought to be driving backwards in space. I don't like how the nacelles are lower down than the saucer section. I don't like the way the saucer section connects to the secondary hull, the shape reminds me of a brain.

And yet, as my friend pointed out, I don't mind Intrepid class starships like Voyager, and they share some of these traits. I think it's because the Intrepid class look different enough that I accept their design as "new", whereas Galaxy class starships I can't help but compare to previous iterations of the Enterprise.

I am a big fan of Star Trek: Voyager. I know that some think of it as being the weaker of the franchise, it still has a 'softer' quality, a feminine strength through Captain Janeway,  that appeals to me.

I liked TNG, but given a choice between watching a Voyager episode and TNG episode, I'd go with Voyager everytime.

I do not like DS9 at at all. It has a certain dark aura about it that total turns me off.

The original series seems past its sell by date for me these day -- and I must admit that it is source of what I consider to be the worst ST episode ever, a choice that may surprise, that being Turnabout Intruder. It espouses everything I hate about TG fiction.

Huggles

Toni-Lynn

Quote from: Padma on August 02, 2011, 03:00:10 AMSo I don't know what Voyager and DS9 are like, and it'll probably stay that way unless I'm laid up with a broken leg or something.

DS9 compared to TNG:

1)  More realistic.
2)  Much darker / less optimistic
3)  Much more character depth
4)  Politics is a longstanding theme throughout DS9 which has a huge impact on the storyline.
5)  DS9 storyline is less episodic.  Stories and character development often happen over several episodes, or even several seasons.
6)  Better planning and scriptwriting (let's face it, the first season of TNG was unpolished and seemingly random in some parts)
7)  While some episodes do share a TNG style, most episodes develop more enduring themes (Dominion war, Cardassian arrogance, Ferengi greed, The Prophets, spirituality vs. science, etc.)


Also, I believe DS9 is on Netflix now, if you have Netflix.

excellent summary. I grew up on TOS and there are aspects of the original (particularly the interplay between the three main characters, and a few episodes that are classic for any sort of TV) that can't be matched but even as a die-hard, i have to admit that objectively DS9 was far superior work - particularly after the middle of the second season - than any other trek out there.

in fact, I'd rank it among the five or ten best SF series ever, easily.

  I am not a Trekkie but, I was a teenager when TOS came on.  The special effects haven't changed since the sci-fi of the early 50's when it came on until Star Wars in the late 70's changed how SFX was done.  The acting did fill in the deficit for allowing your imagination to kick in.  Yes, Shatner did play an over-acting space cadet Captain James Tiberius Kirk but the rest of the cast helped balance out the story lines.  I actually liked all of the sequels except for the latest movies on the alternate timeline.  I guess that I like the old story line/timeline because I watched the original evolution of the sequels and the links to the past series. 
  Capt. Kathryn Janeway Rocks!  Kate Mulgrew played that part perfectly.  Janeway is more like the tomboy image I identify with and want to be.
  Joelene

In fairness to Shatner, his acting was as much a reflection of the cheesiness of the given script as anything. Yes he played it "larger than life" because that was the nature of the role (more Flash Gordon than Jean-Luc) - but check his work in Errand of Mercy, or Balance of Terror, or The Doomsday Machine. you won't see the stereotypical tics associated with the general perception. Compare that to, say, "the Omega Glory (perhaps the most representative episode of the "bad acting" cliches associated with Shatner's portrayal of kirk) for contrast.

Now, that said, in the movies he veers wildly from "well played" to "clownish" without much of a pattern.

Also, if you want to see what he was capable of at a similar age apart from Kirk, go to youtube and find some clips from "The Andersonville Trial"  - it's not bad work at all.

Quote from: Tammy Hope on October 07, 2011, 12:28:17 AM
excellent summary. I grew up on TOS and there are aspects of the original (particularly the interplay between the three main characters, and a few episodes that are classic for any sort of TV) that can't be matched but even as a die-hard, i have to admit that objectively DS9 was far superior work - particularly after the middle of the second season - than any other trek out there.

Technically, DS9 is by far the best Star Trek series.  However, the difference in style rubs a lot of fans the wrong way.  I have to admit that I had to watch half a dozen episodes or so before I got used to it.  It also took me a long time to get used to Avery Brooks who, although a great actor, just seemed very odd to me to be playing Commander Sisko.  It didn't really dawn on me why he was cast for the part until the whole Emissary/Bajor storyline started to play out more.

The thing I like most about DS9 over other Star Trek series is the characters.  All of the characters are very well developed, even the minor characters.

I've seen all the series except for the original. Definitely a fan! :D Love Seven of Nine, Kes, and Jadzia Dax/Ezri Dax.

Quote from: VeryGnawty on October 07, 2011, 05:44:47 AM
Technically, DS9 is by far the best Star Trek series.  However, the difference in style rubs a lot of fans the wrong way.  I have to admit that I had to watch half a dozen episodes or so before I got used to it.  It also took me a long time to get used to Avery Brooks who, although a great actor, just seemed very odd to me to be playing Commander Sisko.  It didn't really dawn on me why he was cast for the part until the whole Emissary/Bajor storyline started to play out more.

The thing I like most about DS9 over other Star Trek series is the characters.  All of the characters are very well developed, even the minor characters.

Yep, because of the focus on character development it appeals most to women; I eased my mom into the Star Trek universe with DS9 (She loves Quark).

Ello there my names gadget and... IMA TREK-A-HOLIC!!!! *sob sob*

j/k No seriously I'm still a fan of the voyager and TNG but never could get into DS9 or Enterprise. Though I use to be very hardcore when TNG was out. I designed ships, schmatics, and the like. But Maybe not so much anymore. Probably because of my bother keep trying to argue with me about how SW would kick ST's butt.

It was always fun when I threw in my trump card though... "Q" According to him for some reason "That doesn't count."

Funny seeing DS9, going through an accidental rewatch. (I was cancelling my Netflix and wanted to watch an episode before it expired and sure enough I was hooked again and started back over from season one.)

I've just begun watching Voyager for the first time - it all seems a bit clumsy to begin with, because they're busy saying: look, here are all the relationships etc etc. It amuses me how Janeway gets into other people's personal space :).

 Sci fi is my haven and star trek leads the way. TNG is my favourite but I love all the series  ;D Deanna trio was my first non cartoon crush haha

Agreed - Deanna Troi, besides being delightful, and sometimes not entirely covering up her Norf Lahndon accent (which I find charming, having grown up there myself), has in my subjective opinion the finest arse in the history of on-screen scifi :).

Quote from: Padma on June 28, 2012, 11:13:50 AM
Agreed - Deanna Troi, besides being delightful, and sometimes not entirely covering up her Norf Lahndon accent (which I find charming, having grown up there myself), has in my subjective opinion the finest arse in the history of on-screen scifi :).

Deffinantly had to do with those tight jumpsuits haha

Quote from: Metal Stuart on June 28, 2012, 06:16:26 PM
Deffinantly had to do with those tight jumpsuits haha

It's also to do with her wonderful swaying walk :).

Quote from: Padma on June 29, 2012, 03:35:32 AM
It's also to do with her wonderful swaying walk :).

Nice to find someone with the same line of thinking when it comes to Deanna troi  ;D

Quote from: Padma on June 28, 2012, 11:13:50 AM
Agreed - Deanna Troi, besides being delightful, and sometimes not entirely covering up her Norf Lahndon accent (which I find charming, having grown up there myself), has in my subjective opinion the finest arse in the history of on-screen scifi :).

Ugh, really? My last two partners weren't impressed, and neither was I. And when she lost all that weight, she looked even worse. We all agreed that she didn't have the right kind of body for a unitard, before or after she lost the weight.

(I'm speaking about my bi days...)

Chacun à son goût, innit ;D. I like her sway. Hardly anyone actually looks good in those outfits (and I find the men's constant pulling-down of their uniform tops hilarious).

While we're at it, I have a bit of a thing for Kes from Voyager at the moment (I've just lost my Voyager virginity...)

Quote from: Padma on July 21, 2012, 05:48:29 AM
Chacun à son goût, innit ;D.

True--and I wouldn't be able to find her attractive now no matter what the circumstances. I finally stopped lying to myself...

Quote from: Padma on July 21, 2012, 05:48:29 AM
Hardly anyone actually looks good in those outfits (and I find the men's constant pulling-down of their uniform tops hilarious).

Seriously...I guess you can argue that Jean-Luc did it as a sort of command gesture, a recognizable tic, but then they ALL did it, and it looked stupid. Tug. Tug. TUG. Were those uniforms really so uncomfortable that the actors couldn't wait till they were off camera?

I never did see the full run of Enterprise; I had been taping it and watching it with my then-partner, but he started becoming more and more distant, and we never finished the show. When I switched to DVD, I couldn't watch the old VHS tapes. I probably missed the last two seasons, and I don't remember much about the first two.

I was planning to watch the series free by borrowing from the library this summer, but I've been busy with other shows, mostly from HBO and Showtime. I guess this means I'll have something to watch over winter break, though. I should definitely schedule that.

How disappointing did Enterprise actually get? Opinions?