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In one of the pryor post many talk of having female orgasms and being  preop,  I am a preop but just can't seem to get there... What can I do or how do I do it?

you get the female type orgasms if you are female ... but the sensation is kind of a whole body thrill thats just hard to explain...i really notice it now in the shower- i can stay in a shower all day now just sort of in ecstasy...could this mean that estrogen has somehow made my skin/nerves more sensitive etc just as the experts say it does?

I have been on hormones for over five 5 years and am very frustrated, maybe I am trying to hard or wishing for magic.

Quote from: BrandiT on January 26, 2010, 01:15:58 AM
I have been on hormones for over five 5 years and am very frustrated, maybe I am trying to hard or wishing for magic.

I'ts not magic, but it does seem to be easier to find for some of us, than others.

Practice is important, but finding the key often occurs once you stop trying.....and stress can make the exploration process a lot harder.

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Chrissty

Is there a type of orgasm that falls between the typical male or female definitions?

I'm thinking of a pre-op non-ejaculatory orgasm that may be quite easy to attain with physical stimulation but may not be at all like what a genetic female experiences. 

Quote from: Kay Henderson on January 26, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
Is there a type of orgasm that falls between the typical male or female definitions?

I'm thinking of a pre-op non-ejaculatory orgasm that may be quite easy to attain with physical stimulation but may not be at all like what a genetic female experiences. 

Hi Kay...I'm not totally sure what you are asking here...  ::)

If it's something you are experiencing, then yes it's quite possible to experience dry male orgasms for a number of reasons. A sensitive prostate could potentially have the sort of effect you describe....but I'm only guessing.. ;)

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Chrissty

Case in point:  pre-op, healthy prostate, regular estrogen use, sporadic anti-androgen use, age 68.

My question refers only to whether it's something beyond male orgasm but short of genetic female orgasm.  I've never read anything to indicate that there's some sort of intermediate type, and I have no point of reference regarding female sensations.  So I'm just wondering.  Whatever it is, it's very intense.

Quote from: Kay Henderson on January 26, 2010, 11:14:10 AM
Case in point:  pre-op, healthy prostate, regular estrogen use, sporadic anti-androgen use, age 68.

My question refers only to whether it's something beyond male orgasm but short of genetic female orgasm.  I've never read anything to indicate that there's some sort of intermediate type, and I have no point of reference regarding female sensations.  So I'm just wondering.  Whatever it is, it's very intense.

Hi Kay... I still have to ask, are you experiencing it.. are are you asking about the possibilities of trying?

A lot of people find that their overall body sensitivity increases dramatically on HRT, and that helps stimulation.

It is also quite possible to achieve a pretty much 90% "Scream the house down" female orgasm pre-op.

Chrissty

Yes.  I'm describing my own experience.

Quote from: Kay Henderson on January 26, 2010, 11:30:08 AM
Yes.  I'm describing my own experience.

In that case it probably all I can say is enjoy it.... ;)

If it's more like a dry male orgasm from direct stimulation that maybe lasts longer and feels deeper... its possibly the effects of the meds you are taking.

If you are finding that you getting stimulated from "indirect" nipple stimulation, or simple skin touch in areas away from the genital region, then you are beginning to tap into more feminine pleasure centres that are ususally overlooked by the male body. It this is the case then you can expect the experience to develop and change with time and experimentation, and it can become more exploration than repetition.

Clearly pre-op, it is not possible to combine direct and indirect stimulation to reach female orgasm, but some pretty impressive results can still be achieved, and a warm "fuzzy" feeling afterwards   :)

Chrissty

In that case it probably all I can say is enjoy it....

I promise.

Quote from: Kay Henderson on January 26, 2010, 02:42:27 PM
In that case it probably all I can say is enjoy it....

I promise.

:)

a couple years ago I was rubbing the front of my panties & to my surprise
was able to achieve a full & wet orgasm while tucked nicely away without a bit
of an erection. Now it is the only way I can orgasm.
It is wonderful

My male plumbing is useless which is fine with me. I do have a female orgasm occasionally and it is much different than a male orgasm. It takes me a long time and I must be softly romanced after a bubble bath and a soft massage. After being gently penetrated I get this warm glow all over my body. It is not a quick release like males have but a long lasting feeling of warmth and happiness. I quite like it and I am hopeful it will get even better after SRS.

Pam

I'm a wanna be MtF sort.

I don't take any hormones or blockers.

I have to say that, for many years, the male organism was more prominent.

In recent years, as my male libido has shrunk to almost nothing, like lilacwoman, I often find that showers can be incredibly powerful experiences.

It isn't like the male organism at all.

You need to be relaxed and feel confident. If I thought that someone knew I was there or had anything on my mind, it isn't going to happen.

It starts locally, sort of, and spreads all over. I can't really describe it in physical terms so much as an exhilaration.

With the male orgasm, of course, you reach a point, stop and are exhausted. Perfectly normal.

With this, it isn't that at all.

I'm a little self conscious about explaining this. Firstly because I've never done it before, or even spent much time thinking about it. Secondly because I'm aware that other MtF here are taking hormones, blockers, have transitioned, even post op. Their experiences will probably be different.

I am more than ready to accept that, what I'm experiencing is way off the mark.

I've only had one female orgasm, and I can not even describe with the english language on how incrediable it was.  I have yet to duplicate it, but at this time in my life, I am not very sexual anyway. 

It's my full orgasm without erection that amazes & brings me some satisfation since I never even thought it was possible.
Franci

Quote from: spacial on January 30, 2010, 05:29:23 PM
I'm a little self conscious about explaining this. Firstly because I've never done it before, or even spent much time thinking about it. Secondly because I'm aware that other MtF here are taking hormones, blockers, have transitioned, even post op. Their experiences will probably be different.

I am more than ready to accept that, what I'm experiencing is way off the mark.

Actually you are pretty close.  The feelings are more dispersed than a male centric orgasm.

But in a very real sense, no one can relate to how someone else feels *anything*.  There have been studies that try to compare orgasms between males and females.  On average a male orgasm has been described as feeling like blowing up a balloon until it explodes and a female orgasm has been described as eating something delicious until you are full. 

Or:
MALE: more more more more *explode*
FEMALE more more more more more more more more *stopStopSTOP!!!!!*

Additionally you can also describe orgasm in terms of it's biological necessity.  In the male it is designed to ejaculate sperm.  It is a muscle contraction just bordering on a convulsion.  In a female it is a series of muscle contractions designed to open the cervix so that the ejaculated sperm can enter the uterus.

Our bodies are designed to make or become pregnant.  Our sexual response is designed to be pleasurable so that we will keep trying to make more of us.

On a very basic level much of our physical responses are similar because we all start as female in utero.  Much of the basic musculature and nerves are similar if not identical regardless of the birth gender.

-Sandy

I noticed a definate and pronounced diferance in my orgasms about 1 week into HRT. I do not know the how or why but the estrogene fueled O is much better than the T fueled one. At least for me.
Most of sex is in the head so this is definatly going to be a YMMV kind of situation.

Sandy.

Thank you so much for that.

On here, I've tried so very hard to simply open up. Things which I've kept private for years and things which I've never faced up to at all.

I know, at times, I am a bit forceful and even a little overbearing, perhaps on issues that I think I really understand.

But to be quite honest, I'm doing this for myself more than others. I just hope, along the way, someone might get as much from me as I'm getting from everyone else.

I felt really silly writing that response. I'm not doing what most people are and I sometimes feel a bit of a fraud, to be honest. I'm just not ready and have too many issues, baggage if you like, to deal with first.

But your response has made me feel that it is really worth it.

Thank you so much again.

Orgasms are easy... when you have a considerate partner.  We could start an academy and start sending lovers there to be trained, leashed and collared.  Let me send my guy there in the first class.   >:(

Quote from: spacial on February 04, 2010, 12:55:03 PM
Sandy.

Thank you so much for that.

On here, I've tried so very hard to simply open up. Things which I've kept private for years and things which I've never faced up to at all.

I know, at times, I am a bit forceful and even a little overbearing, perhaps on issues that I think I really understand.

But to be quite honest, I'm doing this for myself more than others. I just hope, along the way, someone might get as much from me as I'm getting from everyone else.

I felt really silly writing that response. I'm not doing what most people are and I sometimes feel a bit of a fraud, to be honest. I'm just not ready and have too many issues, baggage if you like, to deal with first.

But your response has made me feel that it is really worth it.

Thank you so much again.

No problem, hon!

This is a daunting task that we set before us when we decide to transition.  It is one that we must do and for many it is the first time in their lives that they have ever done *anything* just for themselves.

People will learn from your experiences.  There are those who have not progressed as far as you have and will look up to you.  Here we are all trying to pay it forward.

You are not a fraud as long as you are honest with yourself.  You are doing exactly what you need to be doing right now.  There is no master plan that must be followed.  We all walk different paths to become true to ourselves.

Our friends here help us through our long journey.  It is a journey that must be traveled alone, but we have many friends with us.

-Sandy

Hi Sandy...

...I was just thinking... ::)

Quote from: Sandy on February 03, 2010, 05:27:59 PM
Actually you are pretty close.  The feelings are more dispersed than a male centric orgasm.

I actually find the orgasms so strong and generalised that I have to be careful not to pull a muscle....They sometimes seem to have an effect like being hit with cardio paddles... :icon_yikes:

Quote from: Sandy on February 03, 2010, 05:27:59 PM
But in a very real sense, no one can relate to how someone else feels *anything*.  There have been studies that try to compare orgasms between males and females.  On average a male orgasm has been described as feeling like blowing up a balloon until it explodes and a female orgasm has been described as eating something delicious until you are full. 

Or:
MALE: more more more more *explode*
FEMALE more more more more more more more more *stopStopSTOP!!!!!*

I also find that there are two trigger types for a female orgasm, the earlier ones tend to come as waves triggered from stimulation as might be expected, and then later it can just switch so that nothing happens until the stimulation is stopped...then bam!.....that really caught me out when it first happened.  :o

...and then there is the "timescale"..... I know there are jokes about the "male quicky", but when you realise that a female sensations can build over hours to reach a true *stopStopSTOP!!!!!* moment!... well it just puts things in a perspecive that I'm sure most males without GID will never understand .... :-\

...and what the hell happens to the oxygen in the room while all this is all going on..... ::)

Quote from: Sandy on February 03, 2010, 05:27:59 PM
On a very basic level much of our physical responses are similar because we all start as female in utero.  Much of the basic musculature and nerves are similar if not identical regardless of the birth gender.

I agree... but I never realised until recently, exacly how much remains dormant and is never used unless you go looking for it...  ::)

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Chrissty

I think this discussion indicates as we purge our bodies T and replace it with the proper hormone estrogen we do respond much more like the woman we are. My male orgasms were quick and physical. My female orgasms are slow and as much mental as physical. I remember when I had my first female orgasm how my body felt wonderful all over for a long time. I have female orgasms much less frequently but they are worth the wait. Interestingly I am now much more interested in my partners orgasm than my own.

Pam

Quote from: Chrissty on February 06, 2010, 07:10:32 AM
Hi Sandy...

...I was just thinking... ::)

I actually find the orgasms so strong and generalised that I have to be careful not to pull a muscle....They sometimes seem to have an effect like being hit with cardio paddles... :icon_yikes:

I also find that there are two trigger types for a female orgasm, the earlier ones tend to come as waves triggered from stimulation as might be expected, and then later it can just switch so that nothing happens until the stimulation is stopped...then bam!.....that really caught me out when it first happened.  :o

...and then there is the "timescale"..... I know there are jokes about the "male quicky", but when you realise that a female sensations can build over hours to reach a true *stopStopSTOP!!!!!* moment!... well it just puts things in a perspecive that I'm sure most males without GID will never understand .... :-\

...and what the hell happens to the oxygen in the room while all this is all going on..... ::)

I agree... but I never realised until recently, exacly how much remains dormant and is never used unless you go looking for it...  ::)

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Chrissty

True, the sensations can be strong, but I was referring to how, with male genitalia, the orgasmic sensation is centered in the groin, but when having a clitoral orgasm, the sensation is dispersed throughout the body.  (I kind of like it that way...) And that thing with the oxygen happens to you too?  I thought it was just me...  ::)

Also there are two separate nerves for orgasm.  Most males are not aware of the second one.  Most males relate to the clitoral/penile orgasm associated with the pudendal nerves.  As you may be aware, the glans is reduced by as much as 80% to create the clitoris.  As a result the sensation over the pudendal nerves is reduced significantly.  And in some cases a complete severance of the nerves can occur.

However there is location of sensation that is transmitted over a different set of nerves.  It is what becomes our G-spot or the prostate.  The prostate is not removed as part of vaginaplasty and can be come a center of some quite strong sensations and vaginal orgasms.  Most males do not engage in anal stimulation during intercourse and do not experience the strength of this type of orgasm.  For me this is where I have my more more more more more more more more *stopStopSTOP!!!!!* experience, though it can take quite a bit of time.  :icon_redface:

I also become quite self lubricating during that type of stimulation, though, now, I think we're drifting into the "The Old Lube Question" thread... *more blushing*

-Sandy

Quote from: Sandy on February 06, 2010, 10:14:37 AM
Most males do not engage in anal stimulation during intercourse and do not experience the strength of this type of orgasm.  For me this is where I have my more more more more more more more more *stopStopSTOP!!!!!* experience, though it can take quite a bit of time.  :icon_redface:

I also become quite self lubricating during that type of stimulation, though, now, I think we're drifting into the "The Old Lube Question" thread... *more blushing*

-Sandy

Definately have to agree with that. Done by someone considerate your whole body seems to go into a sort of spasm of warmth and relaxation.

Thank you for your reply Sandy... :icon_flower:

Quote from: Sandy on February 06, 2010, 10:14:37 AM
...Also there are two separate nerves for orgasm.  Most males are not aware of the second one.  Most males relate to the clitoral/penile orgasm associated with the pudendal nerves....

....However there is location of sensation that is transmitted over a different set of nerves.  It is what becomes our G-spot or the prostate.....

I think what must be happening is that I'm triggering both nerve systems at the same time, without direct contact  ...  ::)

Quote from: Sandy on February 06, 2010, 10:14:37 AM
.......though, now, I think we're drifting into the "The Old Lube Question" thread... *more blushing*

-Sandy

...Hmmm... yes....let's stay away from that one this time.... :icon_yes:

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Chrissty

Over the past few years, I've read a fair amount on transgender boards about the differences between male and female orgasm, but to be honest, I'm not sure that there is one.  I've been post-op for nearly two years now, and orgasm itself seems more or less the same to me as it was before, though less intense.  I would argue that the process for achieving orgasm is different between the sexes, since sex (to me) feels much more sensual now than before probably due to increased skin sensitivity.  Before transitioning, having sex without orgasming at the end was horrible; the orgasm was the main point of the whole affair.  Now, when I have sex without orgasming, I don't mind so much, because the whole process felt better to me as a whole than it did when it was just an explosive male orgasm at the end.  Of course, I do enjoy orgasming when I do, it just doesn't happen predictably every time like a male orgasm would.  To me, sex feels better and different as a girl, but I'm not sure that I feel orgasm very differently than before.

Lia

I was just going to say what Lia said. Except that I never thought orgasm was the point of sex. I've had sex when I was just done without orgasm, and it was perfectly lovely, as well as lousy orgasmic sex. And I've had plenty of different "kinds" of orgasms, but classifying them as "male" or "female" is just silly, in my opinion. Anyone can have different kinds; most men just don't care to (or so I gather). Yes, hrt has messed with my sex drive, and things feel a bit different, but it's more the same than it's different. If I have orgasms after surgury, I'll be happy, end of story. Who cares if they're the "right kind"?

Girls, Thanks so much for your postings to my question you all where very sincere and honest, it has helped me understand my mind and body and what I am going through. I am sure that the many postings will help other girls with the same questions.
THANKS AGAIN!!!

Yes some interesting replies ...I'm almost motivated to put some practice in but..... I don't much like 'the batcave' or touching the front bit not that I'm sure that would do anything... so how to practice? I've tried just touching my body and using my imagination but my mind just wanders or I get sleepy *shrugs*. I guess for me I need more time.. seven months in, it's enough for some but I feel I may need to wait, at least twelve months !?!?!?! *really not sure at all*.
Motivation and interest is holding me back, then technique/method.. then just being utterly clueless. lol. Hopefully time will change that.