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Title: sexchangeregret
Post by: Jhenry on February 03, 2010, 09:24:07 PM
http://www.sexchangeregret.com/ (http://www.sexchangeregret.com/)

What do you guys think about this charecter? Has anyone read his book.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Flan on February 03, 2010, 09:57:05 PM
no, but I love all 7 answers given
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091223001233AAq2yQ3 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091223001233AAq2yQ3)

edit: author is a little nutty imho
http://waltheyer.vox.com/ (http://waltheyer.vox.com/)
QuoteToday a procedure is prescribed as "treatment" that calls for slicing off the male genitalia and then the surgeon pronounces he has made a "female" as if it just jumped from the womb. Then the TV shows parade the men with no "snoopy" wearing a dress in front of millions lending their media credibility to this masquerade of a woman. Who is dumber, us for allowing such a lie to become so acceptable or the now male in a dress with no genitalia?

that's srs? why deny gender identity?

Quote
I want to be an encouragement to Michael. I want him to understand that the world's view that a man can become a woman is a fraud. The world and all its skilled surgeons can only produce counterfeit genders. The surgery is not treatment, but it is a lifestyle choice.

Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: rejennyrated on February 04, 2010, 01:59:59 AM
Sadly until someone does the proper medical legwork and finds a reliable diagnostic test based on something more scientific than a real life test there will always be a few rejects.

Even at our current level of understanding of the neurology of the condition it had been clear for the past two or three years now that a proper diagnosis of this condition should be possible based on brain imaging, studying activation patern responses to stimuli and maybe testing for specific gene varients.

Although happily, even with the ridiculous trial and error system we have, operating under the completely flawed (in my opinion) standards of care, such post surgical regrets are relativey rare.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Jhenry on February 04, 2010, 02:08:34 AM
Quote from: rejennyrated on February 04, 2010, 01:59:59 AM
Sadly until someone does the proper medical legwork and finds a reliable diagnostic test based on something more scientific than a real life test there will always be a few rejects.

Even at our current level of understanding of the neurology of the condition it had been clear for the past two or three years now that a proper diagnosis of this condition should be possible based on brain imaging, studying activation patern responses to stimuli and maybe testing for specific gene varients.

Although happily, even with the ridiculous trial and error system we have, operating under the completely flawed (in my opinion) standards of care, such post surgical regrets are relativey rare.
In my case its pretty obviouse that I do have a gender issue in that my sexual fantasies I am always a woman. It just the descission that im crrentlly considering  in myself as to whether I should simplly live as a transvestite or go into transition. I will always have a femal'es mind, as I always have. But since my transsexuality seems to be stuck inside my sexuality I might be better off not having to deal with the hardships that follow a transition.ing
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: rejennyrated on February 04, 2010, 02:40:29 AM
Quote from: Jhenry on February 04, 2010, 02:08:34 AM
In my case its pretty obviouse that I do have a gender issue in that my sexual fantasies I am always a woman. It just the descission that im crrentlly considering  in myself as to whether I should simplly live as a transvestite or go into transition. I will always have a femal'es mind, as I always have. But since my transsexuality seems to be stuck inside my sexuality I might be better off not having to deal with the hardships that follow a transition.ing
Yes and sadly you are probably the only one who can tell, although I think it may perhaps be risky to base ones decision on gender in sexual fantasies. There should, I think, ideally be a little more to it than that.

My own possition was rather unusual in that even as far back as the 1960's I had grown up from childhood largely as a female with my families assistance. So at quite a deep level I just believed that I WAS female. It was only the mirror and my physical form which begged to differ.

And of course I went on to have SRS whilst still relatively young. Personally it never crossed my mind for even a fraction of a second that I would live as a transvestite, because strangely enough the clothes really weren't that important to me. Nor indeed was I that bothered about what other people thought of me.

Yes I wanted to be seen as a woman, but it didn't really matter to me whether I was seen as ugly, butch, feminine, pretty, whatever...

All that mattered was the knowlege that I was permanently and irrevoccably physically female (or as medically close to that state as I could get).

The fact that we can not, as yet, become fertile in our new sex is merely a limitation which I must live with and as such I don't really regard myself as being much different to a woman who has had to undergo a hysterectomy.

As far as hardships go post transition, for me there simply weren't any at all! I've never had even a tiny problem. But I know that that probably marks me out as in a small and hideously lucky proportion of people.

However listening to many others on here it is clear that in most places these days things are a lot easier than they were. Most people seem to eventually find a niche and acceptance. Most find that their families an friends do eventually come around. I think the UK is also now one of the most accepting places.

So whilst I wouldn't say that the road is an easy one, I think it is very easy, when you set out, to overestimate the difficulty involved. Fact is, most of us survive it, and the vast majority are happy with the end result.

Anyway - good luck in your deliberations. I hope your find your answer.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Jhenry on February 04, 2010, 02:46:06 AM
There's alot of different situations on the "trans rainbow" as I put it. But ultimately you just want to be happy with yourself.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: rejennyrated on February 04, 2010, 02:52:16 AM
Quote from: Jhenry on February 04, 2010, 02:46:06 AM
There's alot of different situations on the "trans rainbow" as I put it. But ultimately you just want to be happy with yourself.
That is indeed what it's all about and I sincerely hope you find that place as easily I did. In the 26 years since my original surgery I can honestly say I have never regretted or questioned what I did.

(My partner jokes that I liked it so much that I had to go back for a second helping! LOL ;D)
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: mmelny on February 05, 2010, 01:30:38 AM
This post came out about the same time that a post on another list that I'm on came out, talking about the decision-making process to have SRS.  One term I heard that really struck me, was the "trolley jumper"... meaning someone that literally hopped off the gurney as they were being wheeled to the operating room for their SRS, "to be never seen again" by the surgeon/staff.   

I can't even imagine getting that far into the process, ie 'the operating theatre',  and backing out at that point.   Let alone, not being sure 100%, and going through with the surgery.   This poor tortured soul that writes this tripe apparently was hurt by the process, and their own lack of self-knowledge.  I hope they find their inner peace to get past this, without damaging the process for those that have verifiable dissonance to pursue their own solution.

Melan
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: FairyGirl on February 05, 2010, 01:49:35 AM
Quote from: Melan on February 05, 2010, 01:30:38 AM
This post came out about the same time that a post on another list that I'm on came out, talking about the decision-making process to have SRS.  One term I heard that really struck me, was the "trolley jumper"... meaning someone that literally hopped off the gurney as they were being wheeled to the operating room for their SRS, "to be never seen again" by the surgeon/staff.   

I can't even imagine getting that far into the process, ie 'the operating theatre',  and backing out at that point.   Let alone, not being sure 100%, and going through with the surgery.   This poor tortured soul that writes this tripe apparently was hurt by the process, and their own lack of self-knowledge.  I hope they find their inner peace to get past this, without damaging the process for those that have verifiable dissonance to pursue their own solution.

Melan

Yeah exactly this.

Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Natasha on February 05, 2010, 05:48:21 AM
Quote from: Melan on February 05, 2010, 01:30:38 AM
This post came out about the same time that a post on another list that I'm on came out, talking about the decision-making process to have SRS.  One term I heard that really struck me, was the "trolley jumper"... meaning someone that literally hopped off the gurney as they were being wheeled to the operating room for their SRS, "to be never seen again" by the surgeon/staff.   

I can't even imagine getting that far into the process, ie 'the operating theatre',  and backing out at that point.   Let alone, not being sure 100%, and going through with the surgery.   This poor tortured soul that writes this tripe apparently was hurt by the process, and their own lack of self-knowledge.  I hope they find their inner peace to get past this, without damaging the process for those that have verifiable dissonance to pursue their own solution.

Melan

double ditto
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: spacial on February 05, 2010, 06:30:48 AM
That there are people who subsequent to TG surgery, claim to regret it can hardly be a surprise.

People who opt for such drastic treatment are as varied as society itself.

But the only way to really asses this issue is to compare the number who have expressed regret and those that have not. Perhaps adding those that still yearn for it.

I suggest the percentages will speak for themselves.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Renate on February 05, 2010, 06:34:24 AM
I met one trans-woman and saw her immediately after she "jumped trolley".
She had decided that SRS was not for her but would be continuing her life as a woman.
She did not seem depressed or anxious, rather content that she had resolved something.
I still scratch my head over this incident.
Maybe being older she decided that for her this last detail wasn't important.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: barbie on February 05, 2010, 06:44:50 AM
I subscribe this thread  :icon_bumdance-nerd:

Barbie~~
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Sandy on February 05, 2010, 08:52:52 AM
I have to admit that this story and ones like these tend to raise my dander and blood pressure.

In many cases these regretful transitioners are presented as being much more prevalent than they are and depending on the poster, actually say that they represent the majority of the feelings of those who go through irreversible surgery.

These articles are usually presented by the ex-gay, christian taliban, faux news / british tabloids or those who are trying to line their pockets by selling their particular take on the process and how they are more ->-bleeped-<--than-thou (forgive me for the use of ->-bleeped-<-) by saying that it's all a lie and that we are somehow coerced into our decision to have surgery by money hungry surgeons who are anxious to put another notch on their scalpel.

(ok, I have taken English courses and I know that the previous paragraph was a run-on sentence, so leave it be.)

If one thinks about it rationally for more than about six seconds, you would realize that a good plastic surgeon could generate quite a bit more money by doing surgery that isn't related to trans issues.  And our most favorite surgeons that just about all of us know by name could be much more financially secure than they already are just by going mainstream.

Two, if one really tries, it is certainly possible that you can bypass all the safeguards and have SRS.  Many have.  Most are very happy.  But there are some very notable regretful transitioners.  Rene Richards comes to mind, but actually she went through her transition before HBSOC/WPATH had been established.  I dare say, were she to attempt to go through transition today, she would either been denied or taken much more time in RLE before given her letters.

Every surgeon have those patients who do not have a good experience.  That is the nature of any surgery.  And since we have only one chance at doing this, we spend quite a bit of time researching our choices.

And even with WPATH, there are those who feel that they were wrong.  That happens.

However, the process of transition through SRS has been demonstrated to be the MOST successful treatment for GID.  After five years the number of those who regret are usually less than two percent of those who have had surgery.  That staggeringly successful number is higher than any other treatment for any other mental issue.  For example, classic twelve-step programs that are used to address addictions are only about thirty percent successful.  Also it is unique in that surgery is used to address a mental condition instead of pure therapy and drugs.

Also a great deal of therapy is designed for setting expectations of the client.  We should know that SRS does not make our other problems in life go away.  As much as I wish, no knight in shining armor has showed up to sweep me off my feet and take me to his castle (darn it!).  We still have to pay the bills, we still have to carry on.  But now we can carry on with a life that is much less complex for us.  We see life as the treasure that it is.  We are much less likely to have suicidal ideation or attempts.

For those who have regrets, I am truly sorry for you.  But YOU have to take responsibility for your actions!  No one held a gun to your head and forced you to have SRS.  On some level you were not honest with yourself and with your transition team.  YOU FAILED!

And to turn around and blame those who have made an honest attempt to help you is wrong.

This is a one way ticket.  You knew that starting out.  There is NO GOING BACK!

I will defend the process not only because I have been given a reprieve from a death sentence, but I know so many others who have also been saved.  To try and take that away from them so you can have some sort of belief that it wasn't your fault is wrong.  You are wrong and YOU should go and live your life the way you have wanted, but leave the rest of us alone!

-Sandy(no funny saying this time, I'm pissed!)
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: K8 on February 05, 2010, 06:45:01 PM
YES.  What Sandy said. ^

(Go grrrl!)

- Kate
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Janet_Girl on February 05, 2010, 07:51:08 PM
I agree with Sandy.  Yes there are those who regret going forward with SRS, but then there are those who would give their right arm to have surgery.  And I am one of those. 

The surgery does not make you a woman or a man, that is already in place in the brain.  The surgery just brings the body into completeness.  I have thought over this decision for a really long time.  And I am ready and willing, just not able. 
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Just Kate on February 06, 2010, 04:57:14 AM
Quote from: Jhenry on February 03, 2010, 09:24:07 PM
http://www.sexchangeregret.com/ (http://www.sexchangeregret.com/)

What do you guys think about this charecter? Has anyone read his book.

This disgusts me.  People/groups like this make my side look bad too! :(  I know and interact with others who have regretted their SRS, but they don't wish to deny the opportunity to others - it just wasn't the best answer for them.  Any bitterness they feel revolves around the idea that they falsely believed complete transition to be the only answer to their GID.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Flan on February 06, 2010, 12:06:11 PM
I got unlazy and read the site and the author of the pulp fiction was really a textbook case of a client with a comorbid psychiatric condition.

In the other "example", there is no evidence that the diagnosis was incorrect, and no commentary about social support.

The "letter", all one of them, is about what somebody else supposedly is thinking, also, the claim to be unable to find a surgeon to remove implants is laughable at best.

The whole thing isn't worth the space on the internet.
PS: The publisher of this has made other anti-LGBT pulp before, remember this thread?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,70321.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,70321.0.html)
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Sandy on February 06, 2010, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: FlanHusky on February 06, 2010, 12:06:11 PM
I got unlazy and read the site and the author of the pulp fiction was really a textbook case of a client with a comorbid psychiatric condition.

In the other "example", there is no evidence that the diagnosis was incorrect, and no commentary about social support.

The "letter", all one of them, is about what somebody else supposedly is thinking, also, the claim to be unable to find a surgeon to remove implants is laughable at best.

The whole thing isn't worth the space on the internet.
PS: The publisher of this has made other anti-LGBT pulp before, remember this thread?
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,70321.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,70321.0.html)

Yuck!  My computer wants a rape shower after browsing that site!

All these sites have the belief that having a birth sex defines our gender.  They cannot accept that we are opposite our birth sex to start and that we "wear a body" that is at best uncomfortable and at worst repugnant.  The whole "god made you a man and you cannot be anything else" starts from a flawed statement.

Or actually they don't see how right they are.

God made me a woman and I cannot be anything else.  How true, how true!

-Sandy
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Marie on February 19, 2010, 12:09:05 PM
The day I take life advice from a man who knowingly cut off his penis is the day I have abandoned all reason.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Shana A on February 19, 2010, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: AmyM on February 19, 2010, 12:09:05 PM
The day I take life advice from a man who knowingly cut off his penis is the day I have abandoned all reason.

The surgery doesn't "cut off" the penis, it instead fashions a vagina from the original parts.

Z
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Arch on February 19, 2010, 04:15:14 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on February 19, 2010, 02:37:06 PM
The surgery doesn't "cut off" the penis, it instead fashions a vagina from the original parts.

True. But I've never yet met a man who truly wanted SRS to turn his penis into a vagina. I've met many women who wanted it, but never a man. I feel that the fellow who had it done was either misguided, dishonest with himself, pressured, or suffering from some kind of underlying psych condition that led him to believe that he was a woman.

This really makes me feel for those gay men in Iran who opt for SRS...talk about pressure...what a crock.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Marie on February 19, 2010, 08:05:47 PM
The day I take life advice from a man who knowingly fashioned a vagina from the original parts is the day I have abandoned all reason.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Kelli on February 19, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
And it got me SOOO fired up... I wrote the following email to the site-master:

Walt,

I absolutely respect that you have a constitutional RIGHT to express your feelings on SRS and transexuality. I would never deny that to anyone...even if it were someone totally BASHING Gender Identity Disorder. I'd totally respect that.

HOWEVER... I also have a right to express MY feelings towards your site.

To begin, I don't believe you're wrong. People DO regret transition and subsequently, surgery. HOWEVER... in all the stories I've read, in all the people I've talked to that live with regret, they ALL say the same thing.... "The surgeon was wrong for doing the surgery."

But... Isn't that mildly irresponsible in the hands of the person HAVING surgery?

Shouldn't someone having IRREVERSABLE surgery, FULLY consider the consequences first? By the time that someone ends up with the surgeon, they've had to jump through a number of hoops to get there. I find it gravely irresponsible of you to blame the SURGEONS and not YOURSELF.

Surely you had time to prepare for the surgery. Surely you had to LIE to doctors and medical professionals to GET to that point.

In the beginning of your site you state: "World renowned sex change surgeon, Dr. Stanley Biber, in a letter to the Superior Court of California, County of San Mateo, after performing male-to-female sex change surgery, admitting the resulting genital sex is "neuter" not "female" as he claimed on medical records."
Do you have a copy of the letter?

My point is this... PERSONS living with gender dysphoria don't need more fear mongering. WE don't need people telling us that we're wrong...and that our attempts are half-measures. You're site is misleading and damaging. Take responsibilities for YOUR OWN MISTAKES... Don't assume we're all making the mistakes that you have.

Sincerely....



--Kelli L. Matthews
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Janet_Girl on February 19, 2010, 08:56:24 PM
Good for you, Kelli.  I hope that they really stop and think.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Kelli on February 19, 2010, 09:00:19 PM
It likely wont change anyones mind... but that NEEDED to come out of me....

*string of explitives*
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Sandy on February 20, 2010, 08:02:49 AM
Quote from: Kelli on February 19, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
And it got me SOOO fired up... I wrote the following email to the site-master:

Walt,

I absolutely respect that you have a constitutional RIGHT to express your feelings on SRS and transexuality. I would never deny that to anyone...even if it were someone totally BASHING Gender Identity Disorder. I'd totally respect that.

HOWEVER... I also have a right to express MY feelings towards your site.

To begin, I don't believe you're wrong. People DO regret transition and subsequently, surgery. HOWEVER... in all the stories I've read, in all the people I've talked to that live with regret, they ALL say the same thing.... "The surgeon was wrong for doing the surgery."

But... Isn't that mildly irresponsible in the hands of the person HAVING surgery?

Shouldn't someone having IRREVERSABLE surgery, FULLY consider the consequences first? By the time that someone ends up with the surgeon, they've had to jump through a number of hoops to get there. I find it gravely irresponsible of you to blame the SURGEONS and not YOURSELF.

Surely you had time to prepare for the surgery. Surely you had to LIE to doctors and medical professionals to GET to that point.

In the beginning of your site you state: "World renowned sex change surgeon, Dr. Stanley Biber, in a letter to the Superior Court of California, County of San Mateo, after performing male-to-female sex change surgery, admitting the resulting genital sex is "neuter" not "female" as he claimed on medical records."
Do you have a copy of the letter?

My point is this... PERSONS living with gender dysphoria don't need more fear mongering. WE don't need people telling us that we're wrong...and that our attempts are half-measures. You're site is misleading and damaging. Take responsibilities for YOUR OWN MISTAKES... Don't assume we're all making the mistakes that you have.

Sincerely....



--Kelli L. Matthews

Well said Kelli!

-Sandy
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: K8 on February 20, 2010, 09:26:08 AM
Excellent, Kelli.

There is a lot of discussion on this site and elsewhere about the hoops we have to jump through to get surgery.  Many are of the opinion that we shouldn't have to jump through those and just live with the consequences.

But for someone who circumvented the system to then blame the gatekeepers for falling for his deception is beyond irresponsible.  And then, because he managed to fool everyone, to try to discredit the whole idea of surgery as a corrective for a condition he did not have and has no understanding of is just ghastly.

We make our decisions and live with the consequences.  That's how life works.

Grrr. >:( >:( >:(

- Kate
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Kelli on February 20, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
Indeed...


Unfortunatly, it has become the American Way to hurt ourselves and blame EVERYONE else but ourselves.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: rejennyrated on February 20, 2010, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: Kelli on February 20, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
Indeed...


Unfortunately, it has become the American Way to hurt ourselves and blame EVERYONE else but ourselves.
And sadly that infection has now spread to the UK.

A few years ago I had the highly unpleasant experience of watching one of my very good and close personal friends, a dear sweet man, to whom I literally owe my life, being taken down by a small cabal of people who wanted him to take the blame for their own mistaken choices.

The man in question was, for many years, one of the UK's leading gender psychiatrists. His crime was that unlike a lot of his profession he took transpeople seriously.

Providing there was no evidence of other psychiatric disorder his philosophy was that it was their life and their body. So if they really wanted to climb on that operating table, then who was he to stand in their way and make their lives more difficult than they already were.

Unfortunately some people took advantage of him and thought they saw a way to make money by claiming that he should have taken responsibility for actively stopping them. Save us from oursleves, do anything to stop us, don't ever let us reach that table.

Well I'm sorry, but this is indeed elective surgery. We ask for it, we sign consent forms. If you don't want it then don't turn up! But please don't try and retrospectively blame your own bad decision on someone else and thereby enact all sorts of artificial barriers which prevent those of us who DO know what we are doing, and ARE prepared to take responsibility, from living our lives the way that we choose.  >:(

I don't WANT someone to protect me from myself, what I want is protecting from the arrogant jerks who think they have a right and duty to be my unelected guardians and keepers. <exit rant mode>
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: katgirl74 on February 25, 2010, 10:41:16 PM
I find it interesting how so many "regret" stories are often highly influenced by conservative Christian churches. His story, my his own admission, contains a history of mental illness and drug and alcohol abuse. He had a lot going on, and it seems that he wound up with people pushing him in a certain direction. I would gather he had little support network, and probably found a church that would support him, but only conditionally, if he did what they said. Now, he's their talking head against trans people. I'm a spiritual person, and I always thought God's love was unconditional, but with seem that Walt was taught that it is highly conditional. Maybe it is true regret, but I can't help but to think he was led down the path by others.

Kat
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: sneakersjay on February 25, 2010, 11:56:20 PM
I have jumped through the hoops necessary for surgery.  I will be having surgery.

If something goes wrong, and the results are not what I hoped, well, I did my research, and crap happens.  Rare, but complications happen. It would suck.  But would the resulting stuff be worse than having what I have now?  Possibly if I lost all sensation, but a risk i'm willing to take.

I can't imagine that finally getting my penis and testicles will be the wrong decision.  I've only waited 46 years for them!!!

Why would I blame the surgeon or my therapists if I have any regrets?
Jay
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Arch on February 26, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
Quote from: sneakersjay on February 25, 2010, 11:56:20 PM
Why would I blame the surgeon or my therapists if I have any regrets?

My guess is that YOU wouldn't, unless your surgeon were negligent. But then, I have always gotten the impression that you were quite a rational person, with functioning neurons and everything.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Kaete on February 26, 2010, 09:59:05 PM
Does anyone regret? Yes, I'm sure there are a few folk who do so. However, I suspect, and having kept abreast of the literature in the last ten years, that it's perhaps only a 5, or even less, or so, percent minority.

Further, and this is just a tentative proposition on my part, that people who go through the usual major safeguarding hurdles, rather than those who don't, are rather less likely to report dis-satisfaction after having SRS.

An alternative, or auxilially, explanation, well at least I think on my part, being that folk heavily committed to having surgery (and subsequently, later, they then having had such surgery), may have a personal vested interest, to others around them, in highlighting the benefits/ and/or in rationalising to themselves the negatives associated the op. ("Yes, it was a major operation, and yes I spent a very huge amount of money, the money which I could perhaps have used to help promote my son's education, but the alternative was that I spent the rest of my life in a state and a turmoil of major inner conflict, and, in doing so, wasn't able to help my son, because I was so confused, in myself, and, therefore, not able to give him the energy, and time, that I dearly wanted"

I have a date for SRS surgery in October this year, In Thailand. Yes, of course, being a registered nurse, and having worked, in the past, in surgical and operating units, and thereby knowing full well all the risks associated with long major surgery, and anaethesia, I have a major degree of apprehension.

The ultimate and gravest risk, to me, in the surgery which I will have, taking about five hours or so all told, is that I will die. A secondary risk, being that I will be left, in some way or another, not dead; but, much worse, disabled, and, a dependency on others around me.

well wishes,

Kaete
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: K8 on February 27, 2010, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: Kaete on February 26, 2010, 09:59:05 PM
Does anyone regret? Yes, I'm sure there are a few folk who do so. However, I suspect, and having kept abreast of the literature in the last ten years, that it's perhaps only a 5, or even less, or so, percent minority.

Further, and this is just a tentative proposition on my part, that people who go through the usual major safeguarding hurdles, rather than those who don't, are rather less likely to report dis-satisfaction after having SRS.

The ultimate and gravest risk, to me, in the surgery which I will have, taking about five hours or so all told, is that I will die. A secondary risk, being that I will be left, in some way or another, not dead; but, much worse, disabled, and, a dependency on others around me.

The figures I've seen are usually in the 1-2% range for regrets.  That's a very low figure.  And I agree with you completely, Kaete, that those who circumvent the safeguards are probably much more likely to regret the outcome.  Many of us find those safeguards onerous, but they are there to protect us as well as the doctors and therapists.  [And please, can we not get into that discussion on this thread.]

I'm not a nurse and have never had major surgery, but I am apprehensive about the anesthetic and the recovery.  Still, I will go forward even if it ultimately kills me.  There are some things we just have to try doing.  [There's another thread here somewhere about balancing the risks.]

And welcome to Susan's, Kaete.  :icon_flower:

Be sure to look under the Announcements heading.  There you will find the rules we live by in this little world of ours: "Site Terms of Service and Rules to Live By", "Standard Terms and Definitions", and "Post Ranks".  Look through the other stuff there, too.

Congratulations on your scheduled surgery.  Welcome and happy exploring. :icon_wave:

- Kate

(Nice name, BTW :))
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Kaete on February 28, 2010, 12:58:43 AM
Kate wrote: "Congratulations on your scheduled surgery.  Welcome and happy exploring.- Kate (Nice name, BTW)"

Many thanks, Kate.

The name 'Kaete' derives, at least as I know the meaning, both from the German derivative, Kaethe, meaning 'pure', and from the romanized Japanese, 'kaete', meaning 'change'. Whilst I hardly consider myself, at the age of nearly 60, in any way 'pure' and innocent these days (that, of course, may depend on age related perception and definition); the other, alternative meaning (the Japanese one) seemed quite appropriately very apposite.

Relating the matter of regret, On one of Lyn Conway's pages is written thus:

"Some examples of "wrong reasons" and wrong situations for undergoing SRS are (i) efforts to become a center of attention and live a "sexy life", (ii) thinking it will "automatically turn oneself into a woman" in others' eyes, (iii) deciding to become a woman on a whim (for example, in the midst of a mid-life crisis), (iv) doing it for autosexual "thrills", (v) doing it while suffering from preexisting serious mental conditions unrelated to GID (depression, bi-polar conditions,...), etc. Regrets and adjustment difficulties seem to occur especially frequently in the cases of older intense crossdressers and sexual fetishists whose drive to transition is based primarily on male sexual feelings and habits. These individuals will gradually lose their male libidinous responses to their new female body as time passes after the removal of their testicles during SRS.  This loss of libidinous rewards, combined with accumulating practical, social and emotional difficulties in postoperative life, can lead to serious long-term adjustment difficulties for those who've "made a mistake"...The bottom line here is that EXTREME CAUTION is advised if you are unsure of your motives for SRS."

Well wishes,
Kaete

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Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: LordKAT on February 28, 2010, 01:46:45 AM
My only "sexchangeregret" is the lack of acceptable medical methods.
Title: Re: sexchangeregret
Post by: Myself on February 28, 2010, 08:53:47 AM
I didn't bother entering the site, I just read the quotes in the first post and decided I pretty much figured out what it is about.

That person probably made a mistake, a big mistake. Saying it is a lie (about others) or fake or not possible is also a mistake as people here pretty much prove just by living.

There are plenty of women lacking an uterus and some had vaginal collapse due to medical reasons, I am not bothered by people who say it's not female just because it lacks some internal organs. I do hope to have an uterus transplant sometime in the future, but if not, I will at least be doing a good thing by adopting a kid.

Other then that, I feel confident enough to not get excited about articles or sites on the internet saying "fake" and whatever.. reality is far different than their words.

And as the above, the only thing I regret is that some technology is all too primitive to fix some things some people need. I am sure we will get there though and anyways I am pretty happy with my appearance, this is just a general statement.