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I've been taking DHEA every night for 14 days, and I've noticed some changes. Faster metabolism, more acne (though that might just be the red death coming up >:( ) and more sweating.
My voice has definitely gotten a bit deeper. I've been making weekly samples of it, so that I could tell. First two sound pretty much the same, third is definitely different. Here's links for the logs:
http://www.4shared.com/file/216424937/81c2c6fc/10_online.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/216424937/81c2c6fc/10_online.html)
http://www.4shared.com/file/216424981/8b55ba02/_2__10.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/216424981/8b55ba02/_2__10.html)
http://www.4shared.com/file/216425016/739ec802/_3__10.html (http://www.4shared.com/file/216425016/739ec802/_3__10.html)
Just thought I'd share because I think it's pretty cool. :D

There seems to be a noticable deeper tone there.

But do be careful with that stuff and give your body some time off occasionally

Quote from: spacial on February 06, 2010, 02:53:40 PM
There seems to be a noticable deeper tone there.

But do be careful with that stuff and give your body some time off occasionally

Yeah, I'm planning on doing 3-4 weeks on, then 1 week off.

Hey, I saw it at a store and it said "do not take if under 18."

Would they stop me from buying it?

Quote from: SilverFang on February 06, 2010, 03:31:10 PM
Hey, I saw it at a store and it said "do not take if under 18."

Would they stop me from buying it?

No, they didn't stop me.

awesome.  I finally was able to pick some up today, so I'm on day one here.  I had some very minor changes before when I was taking ZMA and tribuloid, so it will be interesting to see how the dhea compares.

As much as I'm hoping this will lower that voice, I'm kinda worried about it too.  I work in a call center, where I'm on the phone all day, so having my voice constantly cracking would be really annoying.

Just be very careful with these things.

Stick to the dose written on the label.

Drink plenty of water.

Tak a break after a few weeks.

If you feel unwell at all go and see a Dr, taking the packet with you.

And remember, this stuff isn't for this purpose. It isn't recommended for under 18s.

On your own heads, be it.

Quote from: kyle_lawrence on February 06, 2010, 05:57:49 PM
awesome.  I finally was able to pick some up today, so I'm on day one here.  I had some very minor changes before when I was taking ZMA and tribuloid, so it will be interesting to see how the dhea compares.

As much as I'm hoping this will lower that voice, I'm kinda worried about it too.  I work in a call center, where I'm on the phone all day, so having my voice constantly cracking would be really annoying.

My voice isn't cracking at all yet. I'll let ya know if it does.

In the summer of 2004 I took 4-AD (the real stuff) that got banned in 2005, a prohormone. Converted to test. Since then I've looked for something widely reported to be androgenizing in any noticeable manner, but no luck... Damn laws. I went and wrote down some "pro-hormone" names at my local store and am doing some research.
Would you mind PMing me the brand name and your dosage? I'm desperate right now for anything since I've been in limbo for six years and feel like I'll implode if I don't step forward.
Is it dehydroepiandrosterone? Is it some kind of ester? Fancy name (like 2a 3a epithio- 17a-methy-5a,-androstan-17b-ol (which I must make clear is not DHEA?)

Sorry if I'm bothering you. I need to know these things right now.

Quote from: IndigeoAliquis on February 06, 2010, 11:22:44 PM
In the summer of 2004 I took 4-AD (the real stuff) that got banned in 2005, a prohormone. Converted to test. Since then I've looked for something widely reported to be androgenizing in any noticeable manner, but no luck... Damn laws. I went and wrote down some "pro-hormone" names at my local store and am doing some research.
Would you mind PMing me the brand name and your dosage? I'm desperate right now for anything since I've been in limbo for six years and feel like I'll implode if I don't step forward.
Is it dehydroepiandrosterone? Is it some kind of ester? Fancy name (like 2a 3a epithio- 17a-methy-5a,-androstan-17b-ol (which I must make clear is not DHEA?)

Sorry if I'm bothering you. I need to know these things right now.

So much harder to find than anything that feminises. Really, the only reason they can think of for taking these kinds of things is for 'roiding, which is illegal. Tried to get an aromatase-blocker supplement. Discontinued.

'Nother thing which I hadn't noticed till last night: I have darker hair coming in on my legs. Since I'm naturally blonde, my leg hair used to be almost invisible. Now there are some very dark brown hairs coming in.
Hope the face follows suit. xD I've stopped shaving my peach fuzz so I'll be able to tell.

I just picked up some dhea at Walgreens.  I have PCOS and apparently guys with PCOS get some pretty good results with it.  I've already got a good amount of dark, coarse facial hair, chest hair, etc from the PCOS alone.  We'll see if the dhea helps it out a little.

Excuse my ignorance but what is PCOS?

Is it possible the DHEA could've made me more aggressive already?  My 17-year-old sister was just being incredibly annoying for no particular reason like she always does (purposely trying to provoke me) but instead of ignoring her like I usually can, I hauled off and hit her in the head with a pillow and then we had a huge fight (which wasn't nearly physical enough for me-- all she did was call me names [referring to me being transgender was one of the insults] and I was so hoping she would hit me so I had an excuse to rearrage her face but she fought too much like a girl-- just insult after insult after insult and she's a minor and smaller than me so I didn't want to hit her unless she hit me first).  I'm wondering if she really just finally pushed me over the edge or if the DHEA had something to do with me not being able to take her constant provocation any more.  I've only been taking it for a few days, but I stopped taking my high-estrogen birth control a few weeks ago, so my natural DHEA/T levels have probably been on the rise for the past few weeks.

^It's probably a combination of the two things. I know I get aggressive and fly off the handle at people alot sometimes for no reason, but I think it's related to my T levels being crazy from transitioning again and people messing with me. Plus I was on steroids for asthma and they made me VERY aggressive.

Quote from: Aaron Chris on March 07, 2010, 11:28:36 AM
Excuse my ignorance but what is PCOS?

Polycystic ovary syndrome. Wikipedia says a little something about it, but I don't know how accurate the article is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCOS. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCOS.)

I've read that a large percentage of pretransition trans men have PCOS, but I don't know how true that is.

Good thought on recording it, AC. I just started today and am doing the same.

Can you buy this DHEA over the counter?

Jay

Quote from: Jay on March 09, 2010, 05:28:09 AM
Can you buy this DHEA over the counter?

Jay

In the US you can.  It's in the vitamin aisle.

Ah awesome! May have to have a look out for that then!

Jay

You can get it from Walgreens.

You can buy DHEA in Wal-Mart for goodness' sake.

I'm on 50mg a day in my general vitamin mix, I think I've heard of people going a little bit kooky on 200mg a day and up.

Short of going on T, heavy weight-bearing exercise, training for mass, is the most masculinizing thing I've experienced. Funny, now that I'm on T my exercise is aimed toward ability, flexibility, and endurance, since my old mass training makes me too friggin huge.

Oh, another thing. I've been using rogaine on my face for a couple of weeks, so I don't know whether it's dhea or that or a combo, but I am growing dark hairs on my upper lip. They're very short right now because I just shaved, but they're there. I think it's a little too early for the rogaine to be kicking in, am I right?

I started dhea a little over a week ago and I've noticed the past few days that my nipples have been hurting whenever they're touched.  Could that mean the dhea is converting to estrogen in me?  I mean, I *might* just be nearing that time of the month (mine are so irregular I never know), but it's got me a little worried.

Pain/tenderness/general weirdness in that tissue can happen with any hormonal change. Estrogen and progesterone levels are actually at their lowest just before the bleeding time (when we tend to have all the hormonal symptoms) so having hormonal symptoms could mean you have less of a hormone just as easily as it could indicate an excess.

Thanks.  I also did some more research on it this time looking for things unrelated to the dhea.  I stopped taking birth control pills like three or four weeks ago and apparently that can cause really sore nipples, too.  So that might be it, too.

It would be great if dhea could help stop the bleeding...

Quote from: jmaxley on March 16, 2010, 08:26:16 PM
It would be great if dhea could help stop the bleeding...

Yeah. >:(

I'm just glad the T does. After my hysto tomorrow, I will be happier knowing it can never happen again.

Quote from: LordKAT on March 17, 2010, 02:10:08 AM
I'm just glad the T does. After my hysto tomorrow, I will be happier knowing it can never happen again.

Good luck with that KAT :)
(may recovery be swift)

I've been on it for over a month, and though I havn't noticed huge changes, I've been feeling good on it.

I think my voice has dropped a little, but I havn't recorded it to compare at all. I've also noticed an increase of chin hair, and on my stomach.  Mostly I've just noticed more energy, and less depression.

best part though, monthly doom hasn't been as bad.  I have endometriosis, so often end up with severe i'm going to pass out cramps, and that has definitely improved..

I've been taking DHEA for nearly two weeks. Today, my vocal range shifted a half octave lower (at least, I became aware of it today), although my normal speaking voice remained pretty much the same. I noticed it when I was singing in the car, I was suddenly able to hit the low register notes I could never hit before. The high notes I could hit before are still somewhat attainable, but harder to sing.

Frankly I don't know for sure if it's the DHEA or something else, but it's an interesting coincidence. I'm thrilled but also unnerved, maybe I'll ease up until I can get another medical check-up.

I've been on it about three and a half weeks and just today I noticed my face was all of a sudden REALLY greasy-- like a layer of grease that stained my shirt when I wiped it off.  I've never had that happen before.  The funny thing is I haven't taken it for three days since I'm taking my week off.

Also, does anyone have any advice about cycling it with my "cycle"?  I'm on the red death this week and I chose this week to take off of the DHEA.  Is that a bad idea based on the natural hormones my body is producing?  I don't really know how that all works.

are you guys who are taking DHEA.. are you talking to doctors about it, or just taking it?

can I be on birth control.. and take it?

I was taking it on my own to see if it was a snake oil placebo or something that would have an effect. It seems to be having an effect so I'm going to talk to my doctor about it soon.

I don't know how it'll interact with one's body during the monthly or how it might deal with the hormones that birth control pills introduce. I'd definitely talk to your doctor before trying it, if you're on medication already.

I noticed this week new sideburn hair has come in.  It still looks like really long slightly thicker peach fuzz and is kind of straggly looking, but I'm thinking, yes!  It wasn't there before.  And yeah, this stuff WILL make your face greasy.

I agree with M.Grimm Elijah. Ask your doctor about that. Introducing extra female hormones while trying to boost natural male hormones could cause a world of hurt with hormone imbalances.

Got my lab results back today.  The DHEA. is. working!  I had my hormones tested a few months ago, and testosterone was at 22.  January, I started taking DHEA.  Today it was almost 40 points higher, at 60!  Estrogen was up about 13 points but I can live with that.  I'm thrilled with that testosterone number though!!!

Anotehr Rogaine man! let me knwo how it goes.

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Quote from: Zetsubou Billy on March 13, 2010, 01:56:49 PM
Oh, another thing. I've been using rogaine on my face for a couple of weeks, so I don't know whether it's dhea or that or a combo, but I am growing dark hairs on my upper lip. They're very short right now because I just shaved, but they're there. I think it's a little too early for the rogaine to be kicking in, am I right?

Maybe or maybe not. I started using it when I was 16 and got some noticable growth by a couple months in. But it all came in like peach fuzz, very soft, so I had to dye it. I just started using a natural thickening thing on my face in addition to the rogaine and it's so far turned some of the hair thicker. My hair is naturally very soft and fine, though. I only got growth on my sideburns and sides of my face, although I used it on my whole face. Since the face is made of skin that easily absorbs things...the rogaine we put on our face is carried to other parts of the body and I noticed after a few months my arm hair grew a bit and I got a small happy trail. Now I'm using rogaine on my happy trail, to grow that out too. Haha.

Previously, I had a little patch of actual whisker hairs right under my chin, the area was maybe the size of a U.S. half dollar coin. I now have very fine whiskers coming in all along the underside of my chin/jaw area. If I don't shave it off for a couple of days I can feel rather genteel stubble.

I'm wondering if it's the DHEA, which I've been using regularly, or my minimal exposure to some Andractim. I'm not sure I've used enough of the latter for it to do much, but perhaps it's some combination of the two.