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I was just 'curious'. When a post op orgasms is the ''liquid' coming from the prostate? so is it semen without the sperm? so it's still 'male semen"? when your with say a guy would he be able to tell?

Quote from: MsGiselle on May 11, 2010, 03:40:49 PM
I was just 'curious'. When a post op orgasms is the ''liquid' coming from the prostate? so is it semen without the sperm? so it's still 'male semen"? when your with say a guy would he be able to tell?

That liquid is secreted from the cowpers gland which is located below the prostate.  It is not semen without sperm but is a component of seminal fluid and no, I don't think any guy is going to be able to tell

Quote from: Kristyn on May 11, 2010, 04:54:53 PM
That liquid is secreted from the cowpers gland which is located below the prostate.  It is not semen without sperm but is a component of seminal fluid and no, I don't think any guy is going to be able to tell

Thanks Kristyn. I was just curious.

This is interesting:

QuoteA bulbourethral gland, also called a Cowper's gland for anatomist William Cowper, is one of two small exocrine glands present in the reproductive system of human males. They are homologous to Bartholin's glands in females.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulbourethral_gland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulbourethral_gland)

QuoteThe Bartholin's glands (also called Bartholin glands or greater vestibular glands) are two glands located slightly below and to the left and right of the opening of the vagina. They secrete mucus to lubricate the vagina and are homologous to bulbourethral glands in males.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartholin%27s_gland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartholin%27s_gland)

So, it would seem that, now that you are a female, your cowpers gland functions as your Bartholin gland.

The two being basically the same and having basically the same function.

Quote from: spacial on May 11, 2010, 06:58:14 PM
This is interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulbourethral_gland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulbourethral_gland)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartholin%27s_gland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartholin%27s_gland)

So, it would seem that, now that you are a female, your cowpers gland functions as your Bartholin gland.

The two being basically the same and having basically the same function.

Basically, except in natal females the vaginal tissue is mucosal where as in trans women it is not

Quote from: Kristyn on May 11, 2010, 07:06:37 PM
Basically, except in natal females the vaginal tissue is mucosal where as in trans women it is not

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery_%28male-to-female%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery_%28male-to-female%29)) says:

Quotemany post-op trans women report that the skin used to line their vaginas develops mucosal qualities from months to years post-op.

Which I have heard before as well. Basically the outside skin becomes like inside skin, and I think hormones has something to do with that as well.

Quote from: FairyGirl on May 11, 2010, 07:35:41 PM
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery_%28male-to-female%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery_%28male-to-female%29)) says:
Which I have heard before as well. Basically the outside skin becomes like inside skin, and I think hormones has something to do with that as well.

I've heard this as well, but I don't see how mucosal tissue can just develop over time--it's probably just sweat or something, I don't know.  I've read a medical report where buccal mucosal tissue (the lining of the inner cheek) was attempted, but it was not succesful.  I'm sure, given time, that someone will find a way to make a neo-vagina self lubricating much the same way as a natal females vagina

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 11, 2010, 07:52:13 PM
It was my understanding that the sigmoid-colon method produced a self-lubricating vadge.

That procedure does because the colon is mucosal.  But, from what I understand, the amount of moisture can be overwhelming, and most patients end up wearing pads most of their life.  As well, I hear it does not smell all too pretty :P

I'm confused now. So is there Fluid when a post-op climax's or not, or just depends.

Quote from: Jessica.C on May 11, 2010, 09:37:19 PM
I'm confused now. So is there Fluid when a post-op climax's or not, or just depends.

forgetting the prostate :p

as far as adaption to mucosa, it's an incomplete change

Adaptation process of the skin graft to vaginal mucosa after McIndoe vaginoplasty
http://www.springerlink.com/content/b533123842821nj3/ (http://www.springerlink.com/content/b533123842821nj3/)

guess we'll find out soon enough ;)

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 11, 2010, 09:41:41 PM
Depends on the person.
I haven't produced any fluid for a couple of years now - and I don't expect that to change after surgery.

Actually, I only stopped producing fluids when my doctor switched me from Spironolactone to Androcur last year.  As for post surgical changes, I'm really keeping my expectations low to avoid disappointment.  That's not to say I'm not keeping positive, though.

that is interesting. I've only had spiro and it's been pretty much dried up for some time now.

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 11, 2010, 11:08:15 PM
That's extremely interesting information; I'd love to know the mechanism behind this!

Not sure.  Spirono was ok at first, but seemed to slow down after a while.  After a physical, my doctor told me that my testosterone levels were unusually high so we switched.  As well, the Spirono was causing a build up of creatinine in my blood which was attributed to its diuretic effects.  After the switch I noticed a number of changes--some breast enlargement, I had patches of hair on my upper arms which disappeared, that fluid thing and a severe drop in sex drive.

The nurse who gave me a tour of my new vagina and my Vaginas 101 lecture said that I would be able to self-lubricate during intercourse to some extent.  Since most women my age don't lubricate well anymore, I didn't question her but had the impression it might be enough to be effective.

I'll let you know. ;)

- Kate

Quote from: Jessica.C on May 11, 2010, 09:37:19 PM
I'm confused now. So is there Fluid when a post-op climax's or not, or just depends.

It depends on the individual, resent years Im a little dry down there but I use a ''lubricate jelly'' when Im have intercourse with my boyfriend.

Quote from: MsGiselle on May 11, 2010, 03:40:49 PM
when your with say a guy would he be able to tell?

I was dating my boyfriend for over a year before I tolded him I was trans and he couldnd tell the difference, he had other girl friends before me, he was surprised and shocked, thought I was joking, but was amazed my vagina came about because of good surgery, he's fully excepted the situation now, we're engaged to be married, finally  getting married in August.
p

Quote from: pretty pauline on May 12, 2010, 10:51:07 AM
It depends on the individual, resent years Im a little dry down there but I use a ''lubricate jelly'' when Im have intercourse with my boyfriend.
I was dating my boyfriend for over a year before I tolded him I was trans and he couldnd tell the difference, he had other girl friends before me, he was surprised and shocked, thought I was joking, but was amazed my vagina came about because of good surgery, he's fully excepted the situation now, we're engaged to be married, finally  getting married in August.
p

That Awesome and congrats!! Who did your SRS??

Quote from: pretty pauline on May 12, 2010, 10:51:07 AM
It depends on the individual, resent years Im a little dry down there but I use a ''lubricate jelly'' when Im have intercourse with my boyfriend.
I was dating my boyfriend for over a year before I tolded him I was trans and he couldnd tell the difference, he had other girl friends before me, he was surprised and shocked, thought I was joking, but was amazed my vagina came about because of good surgery, he's fully excepted the situation now, we're engaged to be married, finally  getting married in August.
p

Thanks Honey, congrs to you ;D

Well I am 60 and 36 years post-op so I guess things have settled as much as they ever will.

When aroused, I do lubricate, some from the urethra and some (less) vaginal but with sufficient foreplay, intercourse is no problem. At orgasm, lubrication is "generous" but I could not say where from (my mind is elsewhere  ;D )

One advantage of post-op evolution (over GG's) seems to be a much greater sensitivity over the full depth of the vagina.

Inversion, 1974. That's all there was back then.

Quote from: Jessica.C on May 12, 2010, 01:09:54 PM
That Awesome and congrats!! Who did your SRS??

Jsssica, I had my srs in the UK in 1985, the surgeon at the time made a bit of a mess, nearly end up in court, anyway as part of an agreement at the time I had a redone with a very good result, Iv lived in stealth for most of my post operative life, sometimes its painful just being me, but you do right for yourself.
p

Quote from: MsGiselle on May 12, 2010, 04:24:58 PM

Thanks Honey, congrs to you ;D

Thank you, if I was younger Id wear white, Im looking forward to it, a blushing bride, its 3months away and already Im getting pre marriage nerves, its only now I understand its a very big deal for a woman.
p

Quote from: pretty pauline on May 13, 2010, 03:15:59 PM
sometimes its painful just being me

Oh how I know what that feels like.  God how I know what that feels like

Quote from: Kristyn on May 13, 2010, 03:59:10 PM
Oh how I know what that feels like.  God how I know what that feels like

Double Diddo That!

Quote from: pretty pauline on May 13, 2010, 03:15:59 PM
Jsssica, I had my srs in the UK in 1985, the surgeon at the time made a bit of a mess, nearly end up in court, anyway as part of an agreement at the time I had a redone with a very good result, Iv lived in stealth for most of my post operative life, sometimes its painful just being me, but you do right for yourself.
pThank you, if I was younger Id wear white, Im looking forward to it, a blushing bride, its 3months away and already Im getting pre marriage nerves, its only now I understand its a very big deal for a woman.
p

Thanks Pauline for your reply. I would love to talk to you sometime about ''stealth'' and your experiences doing it.

Quote from: MsGiselle on May 13, 2010, 04:20:53 PM
Thanks Pauline for your reply. I would love to talk to you sometime about ''stealth'' and your experiences doing it.

Stealth rule number 1:  Never post your images on a trans related sight

Quote from: Kristyn on May 13, 2010, 04:51:17 PM
Stealth rule number 1:  Never post your images on a trans related sight

Yeah I know lol ;D. Thankfully I don't have a man right now so no worries there.

Quote from: pretty pauline on May 12, 2010, 10:51:07 AM
I was dating my boyfriend for over a year before I tolded him I was trans and he couldnd tell the difference, he had other girl friends before me, he was surprised and shocked, thought I was joking, but was amazed my vagina came about because of good surgery

What? You mean you had vaginal "lips" and clitoris and all the inner tissues and stuff? You look 100% natural down there??! (PS, I don't know a thing about SRS cos I didnt think it would ever pass, perhaps I should look into this some..)

Quote from: pretty pauline on May 12, 2010, 10:51:07 AMJsssica, I had my srs in the UK in 1985

Well no wonder it was such a success! ;D Good thing I live in the UK ;D

Quote from: pretty pauline on May 13, 2010, 03:15:59 PMif I was younger Id wear white, Im looking forward to it, a blushing bride, its 3months away and already Im getting pre marriage nerves, its only now I understand its a very big deal for a woman.

omg congratulations hon! That sounds so exciting. I already have my wedding dress picked out, now if I only get to use it someday haha

Here's wishing you all the best!  :)

I can't find a good link right now but I recently read from an authoratitive source that over the year or two after penile inversion the skin metamorphoses and becomes internal tissue - the process is called Polymorphism IIRC
I went in search of this information after it was mentioned to me by a post-op friend

i cant wait...i had srs 2 weeks ago...i have alot of feeling but i can tell i won't be having an orgasm at this point..

Quote from: kaitlynm999 on June 16, 2010, 01:32:09 PM
i cant wait...i had srs 2 weeks ago...i have alot of feeling but i can tell i won't be having an orgasm at this point..

Congrs, Who did your surgery?

Quote from: Steffi on June 04, 2010, 05:57:42 PM
I can't find a good link right now but I recently read from an authoratitive source that over the year or two after penile inversion the skin metamorphoses and becomes internal tissue - the process is called Polymorphism IIRC
I went in search of this information after it was mentioned to me by a post-op friend

This would claim otherwise

http://journals.lww.com/annalsplasticsurgery/Abstract/2007/11000/Do_Histologic_Changes_in_the_Skin_Lined_Neovagina.13.aspx (http://journals.lww.com/annalsplasticsurgery/Abstract/2007/11000/Do_Histologic_Changes_in_the_Skin_Lined_Neovagina.13.aspx)
Do Histologic Changes in the Skin-Lined Neovagina of Male-to-Female Transsexuals Really Occur? by Dekker, Judith; Hage, J Joris; Karim, Refaat; Bloemena, Elisabeth (Annals of Plastic Surgery: November 2007 - Volume 59 - Issue 5 - pp 546-549)

I am 6 weeks post june 15th and i had my FIRST ORGASM.  Oh my god.  I hadnt had one of those eva.  I was just feeling antsy and heavy down there and i started touching myself and within 4 to 5 mins, i had the most explosive feeling i have ever encountered.  I just sat in amazement for 10 minutes coming down off of the hi.  I looked down right after and saw that i was extremely wet and i got a mirror and a spotlight and much to my surprise, I had ejaculated just like the females I have seen in video clips.  I was told by the nurse that ejaculation probably wouldn't occur and she was DEAD WRONG.  I was so amazed that I took pictures and I have proof that it did occur.  (5more times right after that).  Yes, 5 more times.  within 6 hrs and all of them were just like the first.  I dont want to get graphic but you will know your body and it is nothing wrong with exploring it.  I was afraid at first but I was extremely heavy down there and feeling and little warm.  Now, I DIDNT bother the clit directly because that seems to be the last thing to heal and i was afraid but when it DOES heal, all hell will probably break loose.  I am sure it is healed a lot but afraid right now to touch it to see.  It just peaked its little head out about 3 days ago.

wow missy...you should be a romance novel writer!!!!   LOL

my friends are being very cute and lots of my new natal women friends are telling me their pet names for their private parts...that is very cute.

i have no fear exploring my body...i'm too old to be self conscious about it, and i want to know everything!!!

right now it still burns and itches when the blood starts flowing, so I'm actually just trying to relax, and use lots of moisturizer...but i am very hopeful that once my skin calms down, i'll have lots of enjoyment...javascript:void(0);

my surgery was with dr meltzer in AZ and his approach is to try to give me feeling all over the vagina and labia area...and i can tell he was successful
also he does some serious lifts in the area above the vagina...basically so the vagina stays high and doesnt sag....but right now there is a huge sore bump there and i think this part of the surgery is gonna be uncomfortable for a while

so i'll just be patient..

Quote from: missyzanta on June 16, 2010, 07:05:29 PM
I am 6 weeks post june 15th and i had my FIRST ORGASM.  Oh my god.  I hadnt had one of those eva.  I was just feeling antsy and heavy down there and i started touching myself and within 4 to 5 mins, i had the most explosive feeling i have ever encountered.  I just sat in amazement for 10 minutes coming down off of the hi.  I looked down right after and saw that i was extremely wet and i got a mirror and a spotlight and much to my surprise, I had ejaculated just like the females I have seen in video clips.  I was told by the nurse that ejaculation probably wouldn't occur and she was DEAD WRONG.  I was so amazed that I took pictures and I have proof that it did occur.  (5more times right after that).  Yes, 5 more times.  within 6 hrs and all of them were just like the first.  I dont want to get graphic but you will know your body and it is nothing wrong with exploring it.  I was afraid at first but I was extremely heavy down there and feeling and little warm.  Now, I DIDNT bother the clit directly because that seems to be the last thing to heal and i was afraid but when it DOES heal, all hell will probably break loose.  I am sure it is healed a lot but afraid right now to touch it to see.  It just peaked its little head out about 3 days ago.

Oh goodness ;D lol. Congrs, I'm looking forward to it thanks.

Quote from: missyzanta on June 16, 2010, 07:05:29 PM
I am 6 weeks post june 15th and i had my FIRST ORGASM.  Oh my god.  I hadnt had one of those eva.  I was just feeling antsy and heavy down there and i started touching myself and within 4 to 5 mins, i had the most explosive feeling i have ever encountered.  I just sat in amazement for 10 minutes coming down off of the hi.  I looked down right after and saw that i was extremely wet and i got a mirror and a spotlight and much to my surprise, I had ejaculated just like the females I have seen in video clips.  I was told by the nurse that ejaculation probably wouldn't occur and she was DEAD WRONG.  I was so amazed that I took pictures and I have proof that it did occur.  (5more times right after that).  Yes, 5 more times.  within 6 hrs and all of them were just like the first.  I dont want to get graphic but you will know your body and it is nothing wrong with exploring it.  I was afraid at first but I was extremely heavy down there and feeling and little warm.  Now, I DIDNT bother the clit directly because that seems to be the last thing to heal and i was afraid but when it DOES heal, all hell will probably break loose.  I am sure it is healed a lot but afraid right now to touch it to see.  It just peaked its little head out about 3 days ago.

whew is it getting hot in here? >:-) 6 weeks huh? Sounds like it was worth the wait! ;)

Quote from: missyzanta on June 16, 2010, 07:05:29 PM
I am 6 weeks post june 15th and i had my FIRST ORGASM.  Oh my god.  I hadnt had one of those eva.  I was just feeling antsy and heavy down there and i started touching myself and within 4 to 5 mins, i had the most explosive feeling i have ever encountered.  I just sat in amazement for 10 minutes coming down off of the hi.  I looked down right after and saw that i was extremely wet and i got a mirror and a spotlight and much to my surprise, I had ejaculated just like the females I have seen in video clips.  I was told by the nurse that ejaculation probably wouldn't occur and she was DEAD WRONG.  I was so amazed that I took pictures and I have proof that it did occur.  (5more times right after that).  Yes, 5 more times.  within 6 hrs and all of them were just like the first.  I dont want to get graphic but you will know your body and it is nothing wrong with exploring it.  I was afraid at first but I was extremely heavy down there and feeling and little warm.  Now, I DIDNT bother the clit directly because that seems to be the last thing to heal and i was afraid but when it DOES heal, all hell will probably break loose.  I am sure it is healed a lot but afraid right now to touch it to see.  It just peaked its little head out about 3 days ago.

I haven't orgasm'ed yet, and I actually had concerns about the numbness that seemed to pervade the region.  That was until I saw an experienced doc last week, that she said I should keep stimulation to the area, that might help with nerve regrowth and getting feeling back.

I happened to be at a women's shop yesterday to pick up some tickets for an event.. and glanced over to the vibrator section.  I had thought about picking one up before, but never had.  So I purchased a 'starter' model.... OMG... there's definitely some nerves firing down there.  Not to get too personal.. but yes, there's life there, and I daresay the sensation is 10x better then any experienced pre-op, even without orgasm connecting in the brain.   I was so relieved.

I haven't orgasm'd, but I know that is going to take awhile for me.   I was never able to orgasm after anti-androgens took affect, a couple years ago, but I know that it will happen, and I patiently await, and have incorporated a 'vibration' routine into my daily dilations, *giggles*.

Yee haw..... :laugh:
Melan

Melan, how many weeks post are you?  Were u afraid the first time you USED the vibrator and was it a borderline joy/pain feel or what?  I talked to a nurse, (one that I know personally) and she said she thinks that I should start out with a man orally who is going to be soft and gentle with me to get past my fear.


congrats on your COMING TO LIFE!

Quote from: missyzanta on June 21, 2010, 08:46:10 AM
Melan, how many weeks post are you?  Were u afraid the first time you USED the vibrator and was it a borderline joy/pain feel or what?  I talked to a nurse, (one that I know personally) and she said she thinks that I should start out with a man orally who is going to be soft and gentle with me to get past my fear.


congrats on your COMING TO LIFE!

I'm 5 months post..  and I have very little pain if any in the region.  Only discomfort if certain areas are pressed or pushed the wrong way... so I just don't press or push them the wrong way.

I started cautiously with the vibrator, but it became rapidly evident to me that my body, loved it, and the feeling was so intense.   I found the greatest pleasure in labia and clitoral stimulation.. eeeeeek!   And placing the cup thing on the clittoral hood... forget about it... my neighbors now know I have a vibrator now (and are lamenting this fact, I'm sure).  I'm going to shut up now.   ;D

As far as starting with one, I would think you are totally fine to use it, but just exercise caution, and not too much 'vibrate', and not too much or any penetration/touching of sensitive areas.   Treat it with your limits, and common sense of where you are in your healing.   You can control a vibrator.. not sure about the ability to control horny dudes getting into it....

Melan

How long after srs can you become sexually active?

Quote from: tori319 on June 23, 2010, 09:38:11 PM
How long after srs can you become sexually active?

Great question, I wonder the same thing myself. I think Bowers says 8 weeks and Brassard says 12 weeks. I would imagine every one is different depending on how well they heal and who they're have sex with.

Me personally i wanna make sure that am capable of having an orgasm before i have sex with some. I want my first time to be magical and don't think it would be if i couldn't feel a thing. 

They usually say you should wait 6-8 weeks. Brassard does say 12 weeks :o lol. But I think it all comes down to each her own.

I agree with Jessica, before I have sex with any guy I wanna get use to having a vagina first. see if I can play with myself and see if I can orgasm. Plus, I wanna be nice and healed up before sex :P

With Suporn, there are a couple levels of sexual response to consider.

The old joke with his patients, is what Dr Suporn says, which is "no sexy thoughts", I'll call this rule #1.   Meaning don't get aroused if possible, for two months after surgery.  This is because swelling of tissue there can disrupt healing, bust stitches, etc.

The 2nd level, is self exploration, which can start at around month 2 (or a bit before, long as rule #1 is followed, gently, and no pulling or spreading of the labia lips during this time either.

The last level is penetrative sex, which is allowed at 3 months post op, and with a warning to take it easy.  I know that I attempted sex with a friend at 3 months post, and it was way to early for me.  I was just too numb, and he was too big.   I'm going back at it in a couple weeks, which would put me closer to 6 months post op.  (can't wait  ;D )

Melan

I just wanted to share a very "interesting" thing that happened in my fourth week post op (June 1 birthday!)

I had my surgery with dr meltzer, and i dilate 4x a day...on friday nite, late...i was watching a tv show and there was a sex encounter and i started to feel aroused...so i allowed my mind to think those "sexy" thoughts, and altho i have to say i have very little feeling in the area, i did have strong pleasurable surges that seemed to come from inside me...i tried to orgasm but couldnt...oh well...

the next day i woke up and there was blood in my panties and i found that the bottom part of my clitoris had a big cut and was bleeding..i took good care of it over the weekend by holding it in place with gauze and it's fine today...but now i'm wondering if i caused that literally by stimulation!!!

no one in dr meltzers camp said anything about this...  i wonder if its even possible...

Quote from: kaitlynm999 on June 28, 2010, 08:11:28 AM
I just wanted to share a very "interesting" thing that happened in my fourth week post op (June 1 birthday!)

I had my surgery with dr meltzer, and i dilate 4x a day...on friday nite, late...i was watching a tv show and there was a sex encounter and i started to feel aroused...so i allowed my mind to think those "sexy" thoughts, and altho i have to say i have very little feeling in the area, i did have strong pleasurable surges that seemed to come from inside me...i tried to orgasm but couldnt...oh well...

the next day i woke up and there was blood in my panties and i found that the bottom part of my clitoris had a big cut and was bleeding..i took good care of it over the weekend by holding it in place with gauze and it's fine today...but now i'm wondering if i caused that literally by stimulation!!!

no one in dr meltzers camp said anything about this...  i wonder if its even possible...

premature sex or ''arousal thinking'' can be very traumatic and may open up incision lines and incite inflammation and infection.

4 weeks is really to soon to try anything.

how do you dilate if you can't spread it open?

I saw my doctor about the situation, and also talked to my surgeon's office...

It was a liquefied clot seeping out ..i couldnt stop the bleeding for many hours, but it was really more like draining...

totally benign..(messy and yucchy- but nothing to worry about)..

Quote from: kaitlynm999 on June 30, 2010, 09:42:37 AM
I saw my doctor about the situation, and also talked to my surgeon's office...

It was a liquefied clot seeping out ..i couldnt stop the bleeding for many hours, but it was really more like draining...

totally benign..(messy and yucchy- but nothing to worry about)..

Ouch... hope it doesn't hurt too much! Feel better!  :)

Whenever a GG friend of yours tells you, "At least you don't bleed."

Punch her in the face.

Quote from: Autumn on July 06, 2010, 05:53:11 PM
Whenever a GG friend of yours tells you, "At least you don't bleed."

Punch her in the face.

So far that hasn't happened to me, but if it does I love your answer!

Quote from: missyzanta on June 16, 2010, 07:05:29 PM
I am 6 weeks post june 15th and i had my FIRST ORGASM.  Oh my god.  I hadnt had one of those eva.  I was just feeling antsy and heavy down there and i started touching myself and within 4 to 5 mins, i had the most explosive feeling i have ever encountered.  I just sat in amazement for 10 minutes coming down off of the hi.  I looked down right after and saw that i was extremely wet and i got a mirror and a spotlight and much to my surprise, I had ejaculated just like the females I have seen in video clips.  I was told by the nurse that ejaculation probably wouldn't occur and she was DEAD WRONG.  I was so amazed that I took pictures and I have proof that it did occur.  (5more times right after that).  Yes, 5 more times.  within 6 hrs and all of them were just like the first.  I dont want to get graphic but you will know your body and it is nothing wrong with exploring it.  I was afraid at first but I was extremely heavy down there and feeling and little warm.  Now, I DIDNT bother the clit directly because that seems to be the last thing to heal and i was afraid but when it DOES heal, all hell will probably break loose.  I am sure it is healed a lot but afraid right now to touch it to see.  It just peaked its little head out about 3 days ago.

OMG wow girl! =)

OMG, this is SUCH a good thread!  I'm just barely starting down this road, and I'm reading everything I can, and reading this sort of stuff is SO encouraging.  Thank you, girls, for being brave enough to be so graphic!  I luv it!

Quote from: Melan on June 24, 2010, 09:42:49 AM
With Suporn, there are a couple levels of sexual response to consider.

The old joke with his patients, is what Dr Suporn says, which is "no sexy thoughts", I'll call this rule #1.   Meaning don't get aroused if possible, for two months after surgery.  This is because swelling of tissue there can disrupt healing, bust stitches, etc.

The 2nd level, is self exploration, which can start at around month 2 (or a bit before, long as rule #1 is followed, gently, and no pulling or spreading of the labia lips during this time either.

The last level is penetrative sex, which is allowed at 3 months post op, and with a warning to take it easy.  I know that I attempted sex with a friend at 3 months post, and it was way to early for me.  I was just too numb, and he was too big.   I'm going back at it in a couple weeks, which would put me closer to 6 months post op.  (can't wait  ;D )

Melan

sounds like good advice Melan, thanks! but geez, no sexy thoughts for 2 months?? I'm already having sexy thoughts with my dilators! lol  Still a month to go, I'm doomed  :-\

Quote from: Kristyn on May 11, 2010, 07:55:28 PM
That procedure does because the colon is mucosal.  But, from what I understand, the amount of moisture can be overwhelming, and most patients end up wearing pads most of their life.  As well, I hear it does not smell all too pretty :P

I asked the very experienced surgeon who will do mine soon and he said there shoudln't be much moisture post-op and that the lining does become mucosal after about 6 months.
I'm under the impression that the Cowpers Glands work during sexual arousal?
And that the discharge during sex is actually from the seminal vesicles - these stop working during pre-op high estrogen but post-op low estrogen woudl logically make them work again to cause the climactic discharge?  I'll ask the surgeon for his opinion of this when I see him in a few weeks time.

I have two questions:

1)  So if you wait 3 months before doing much of anything, when you do start to explore or have feelings, is there any tearing of scare tissue or pain?  I mean, everything had 3 months to heal in place.

2)  Does the scrotal skin graph that forms the vagina actually develop sensitivity inside? 

Quote from: Robertina on July 25, 2010, 12:41:09 PM
I have two questions:

1)  So if you wait 3 months before doing much of anything, when you do start to explore or have feelings, is there any tearing of scare tissue or pain?  I mean, everything had 3 months to heal in place.

2)  Does the scrotal skin graph that forms the vagina actually develop sensitivity inside?

Two good questions. To answer them individually:

1. No because every single day since you will have been inserting vaginal stents at least twice and day and for the first month three times a day to prevent any scar tissue forming and to keep everything stretched and flexible. So if you followed the surgeons routine correctly there should be no pain and no tearing. Period.

2. Yes of course - as long the surgeon did the job well you should have full sensitivity. A very few unlucky people do not because anatomy varies, but in my experience the surgeons are pretty careful and do everything humanly possible to avoid cutting nerves.

Follow up: 

What about the clitoris and how it is stitched to the body?  Is there pain when it engorges with blood, or is it one of those things that is just worth it the first few times?

So, do nerves actually grow into the vaginal skin graft from the body?

While I'm asking - how much muscular control do you have with the vagina?  Do the same muscles that stop the pee and contract during male orgasm enable you to tighten the vagina?

Quote from: Robertina on July 25, 2010, 06:01:12 PM
Follow up: 

What about the clitoris and how it is stitched to the body?  Is there pain when it engorges with blood, or is it one of those things that is just worth it the first few times?

So, do nerves actually grow into the vaginal skin graft from the body?

While I'm asking - how much muscular control do you have with the vagina?  Do the same muscles that stop the pee and contract during male orgasm enable you to tighten the vagina?

I don't know how it is attached - no there is no pain involved. And yes the pleasure is awesome. I would say quite literally mind blowing! It's not just the first few times. It remains awesome even now.

Muscular control is, for me, excellent, the muscles are in part those that you use to stop pee - but there are others too and yes I can squeeze my vagina in various different ways.

As I understand it the original nerves in the skin are preserved they are just in a new position within the body... and one of the fascinating things for me was how quickly my brain automatically adjusted it's body map so that I knew where the nerves now were and my mental image of the sensations matched the new reality - ie I could feel, without having to think about it, that those nerves were now on an "inside" part on me.

Is clitoral sensitivity about the same as what you had for the glans, or can it increase?  I'm wondering you get more sensitive because everything is concentrated in a much smaller area compared to before.

Quote from: rejennyrated on July 25, 2010, 06:14:35 PM
I don't know how it is attached - no there is no pain involved. And yes the pleasure is awesome. I would say quite literally mind blowing! It's not just the first few times. It remains awesome even now.

Muscular control is, for me, excellent, the muscles are in part those that you use to stop pee - but there are others too and yes I can squeeze my vagina in various different ways.

As I understand it the original nerves in the skin are preserved they are just in a new position within the body... and one of the fascinating things for me was how quickly my brain automatically adjusted it's body map so that I knew where the nerves now were and my mental image of the sensations matched the new reality - ie I could feel, without having to think about it, that those nerves were now on an "inside" part on me.

Very encouraging words Jenny thanks.

I think I'm starting to get more nervous about the surgery and recovery as i read some of the complications that have come up for girls.

Quote from: Jessica.C on July 25, 2010, 08:45:39 PM
Very encouraging words Jenny thanks.

I think I'm starting to get more nervous about the surgery and recovery as i read some of the complications that have come up for girls.

Don't be nervous about the surgery, honestly the pain I have now post op 11 days is negligible and the complications with peeing has gone and I can pee like Niagara Falls. Also sensation was felt from day one post op but I have to keep a cool head when dilating, hehe. All the pain and worry and anxiety is quickly forgotten as you begin to enjoy being complete for the first time in your life.

11 days post op and I feel so fantastic even that word doesn't do it justice. Had you asked me 4/5 days post op I would have given you a different answer, (like don't do it). That was the worst days. So yea, its a major operation but one that I have found soon settles down and life begins.

You have three months to go, believe me I thought that was ages but it flew by so enjoy life and the woman you are already. I felt that surgery was only the icing on the cake for by the time I got to surgery I was more or less transitioned.

Take care and big hug

Stardust 

Quote from: Robertina on July 25, 2010, 06:52:38 PM
Is clitoral sensitivity about the same as what you had for the glans, or can it increase?  I'm wondering you get more sensitive because everything is concentrated in a much smaller area compared to before.

I can't really answer that, because I genuinely have insufficient memory of what the original feeling was like. Remember I haven't had any male bits for over 25 years, so perhaps someone else can answer. I want to say yes the feeling is concentrated but I think that may be one of those Your Mileage May Vary situations. All I can say is it's very nice and for me the experience has always blown male sex right out of the ground!

In fact thanks to a rather ill judged comment to a journalist when I was in my mid twenties and newly postop I am on record in a certain rather scurrilous UK national newspaper as saying that comparing sex as a woman to sex as a man is like comparing a Rolls-Royce to a mini (two english cars - one very expensive and luxurious - the other cheap and small.)

Quote from: stardust on July 26, 2010, 03:03:38 AM
Don't be nervous about the surgery, honestly the pain I have now post op 11 days is negligible and the complications with peeing has gone and I can pee like Niagara Falls. Also sensation was felt from day one post op but I have to keep a cool head when dilating, hehe. All the pain and worry and anxiety is quickly forgotten as you begin to enjoy being complete for the first time in your life.

11 days post op and I feel so fantastic even that word doesn't do it justice. Had you asked me 4/5 days post op I would have given you a different answer, (like don't do it). That was the worst days. So yea, its a major operation but one that I have found soon settles down and life begins.

You have three months to go, believe me I thought that was ages but it flew by so enjoy life and the woman you are already. I felt that surgery was only the icing on the cake for by the time I got to surgery I was more or less transitioned.

Take care and big hug

Stardust

Awe Stardust Thanks.

Guess its just one of those things. You want to know all you can about what can happen, what to expect, etc..

On one hand very helpful information on the other hand not good to worry about things that may never even happen.

Quote from: Robertina on July 25, 2010, 06:52:38 PM
Is clitoral sensitivity about the same as what you had for the glans, or can it increase?  I'm wondering you get more sensitive because everything is concentrated in a much smaller area compared to before.

for me it is way more sensitive in that little area now than it was before surgery. For that reason I was also wondering if perhaps the entire nerve bundle from the glans is incorporated into the clitoris. It might just be because everything is more sensitive down there at the moment, like nerve overload. At 5 weeks post-op I've tried a little light stimulation in the shower but it still gets irritated very easily. I'm really trying to hold out for 3 more weeks lol

Jessica honey this is a one time deal and you'll never have to go through it again. Yes those first couple days can be rough but the end result far outweighs any temporary suffering. You have a good surgeon and you'll be fine. :)

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 26, 2010, 07:34:20 AM
Jessica honey this is a one time deal and you'll never have to go through it again. Yes those first couple days can be rough but the end result far outweighs any temporary suffering. You have a good surgeon and you'll be fine. :)

Yes i do ;D and yes i will ;D Thanks Ladies

Quote from: Jessica.C on July 26, 2010, 08:01:59 AM
Yes i do ;D and yes i will ;D Thanks Ladies

That's the way to think, Jess.  Always positive!  :)

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 26, 2010, 07:34:20 AM
Jessica honey this is a one time deal and you'll never have to go through it again. Yes those first couple days can be rough but the end result far outweighs any temporary suffering. You have a good surgeon and you'll be fine. :)

And in fact not to disagree with anything Chloe has said, in the unlikely even that the result is not quite as you hope I am living proof that it is perfectly possible, even decades later to iron out any kinks. The intention as chloe said is that it be a onetime deal but it is still possible to have a second chance at perfection.

The mere fact that I was prepared to go back for a second helping should absolutely reassure you, if nothing else does, that this is not such a terrible ordeal.

I don't know if this was covered already or not.

Can you have an orgasm from vaginal penetration alone? or is it necessary to have clitoral stimulation?

Quote from: Jessica.C on June 24, 2010, 07:19:48 AM
Great question, I wonder the same thing myself. I think Bowers says 8 weeks and Brassard says 12 weeks. I would imagine every one is different depending on how well they heal and who they're have sex with.

Me personally i wanna make sure that am capable of having an orgasm before i have sex with some. I want my first time to be magical and don't think it would be if i couldn't feel a thing.

You are aware that not all all post-ops are orgasmic?

Quote from: stealth2010 on July 27, 2010, 09:12:24 PM
You are aware that not all all post-ops are orgasmic?

Just one of the many things to prepare yourself for.  If it works--FANTASTIC!  If it doesn't can you really live with it?

Quote from: stealth2010 on July 27, 2010, 09:12:24 PM
You are aware that not all all post-ops are orgasmic?

not all are, but I think many, maybe most, are. But just like the surgery isn't what makes you a woman, it won't make you orgasmic if you're not before. Dr. McGinn actually recommends keeping in good practice pre-op for that very reason, and she provides some important information about how orgasms work and how to achieve them post surgery (she helped edit the chapter on transsexual orgasm in the book "The Science of Orgasm" by Beverly Whipple). The g-spot is another nerve pathway that can stimulate orgasm. And taking vitamin B6 helps with important nerve regrowth down there after surgery.

I had no problem before surgery, and I seem to have good sensitivity in the important areas, so I have good expectations but it's still a bit too soon to tell.  For that matter nipple stimulation alone has worked for me in the past with someone who knows what they're doing- there's definitely more than one way to get off! lol Honestly I don't expect it to happen the first time I have sex, but that doesn't mean I can't learn with lots of practice. >:-)

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 27, 2010, 10:13:01 PM
Dr. McGinn actually recommends keeping in good practice pre-op for that very reason, and she provides some important information about how orgasms work and how to achieve them post surgery

Any info you care to share?

Quote
I had no problem before surgery, and I seem to have good sensitivity in the important areas, so I have good expectations but it's still a bit too soon to tell.  For that matter nipple stimulation alone has worked for me in the past with someone who knows what they're doing- there's definitely more than one way to get off! lol Honestly I don't expect it to happen the first time I have sex, but that doesn't mean I can't learn with lots of practice. >:-)

Absolutely no problems with me either.  I've always been rather sensitive down there--I can get off by just squeezing my legs together.   :laugh:

Among the cautionary notes about possible problems that the hospital gave me at my pre-op consult, it also mentions that in about 1% of cases, the clitoris becomes TOO sensitive and further treatment is necessary to try and adjust it. 
Usually something can be done to achieve a better level, but in a small proportion of that 1% in the end the only solution is to remove it or cut the nerves    :(

Quote from: stealth2010 on July 27, 2010, 09:12:24 PM
You are aware that not all all post-ops are orgasmic?

Yes i am very aware of that possibility. From what i gather alot more are then are not.

As others have mentioned and from what i understand if things are working well before hand your chances are much greater that they will work after. After many years of hormone therapy and and orchie, much to my surprise things still seem to be working quite well down there for me. I'm also feel confident that i have chosen one of the best SRS surgeons out there. So yes I'm nervous but I'm remaining very optimistic.

Quote from: Kristyn on July 27, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
Any info you care to share?

There's a lot actually in the handout she gives before surgery. I don't have a digital copy but it could maybe happen ;)

I am 5 years post op and it took me a while to orgasm, or should I say "Learn" how to orgasm given the new equipment.  Even now it takes a while, but that's okay, it just makes the whole experience that much more enjoyable.

Quote from: Steffi on July 28, 2010, 12:29:02 AM
Among the cautionary notes about possible problems that the hospital gave me at my pre-op consult, it also mentions that in about 1% of cases, the clitoris becomes TOO sensitive and further treatment is necessary to try and adjust it. 
Usually something can be done to achieve a better level, but in a small proportion of that 1% in the end the only solution is to remove it or cut the nerves    :(

Indeed that was EXACTLY what happened to me. For 26 years my lover(s) have had to avoid touching it directly - but earlier this year I had a revision which included a second clitoroplasty - the old one was HUGE, over sensitive, and in slightly the wrong place.

Version 2 is now small neat, hooded and in the right place with just the right amount of sensitivity to be really pleasurable. My sex life, which was already pretty satisfactory, hit a new high.

So once again - don't worry - unless you are one of the really unlucky ones who ends up non sensate, most other things can be fixed later by the right surgeon.

I always thought the clitoris was far enough away from the vagina that intercourse usually did not provide sufficient stimulation for orgasm without additional attention, but my girl friend told me that her boyfriend stimulates it just fine during intercourse and that it is more a matter of technique (and size of the man may help).  I still don't quite get it though.

Does the clitoris vary much in location from one girl to another?

Quote from: Robertina on July 28, 2010, 07:34:38 AM
I always thought the clitoris was far enough away from the vagina that intercourse usually did not provide sufficient stimulation for orgasm without additional attention, but my girl friend told me that her boyfriend stimulates it just fine during intercourse and that it is more a matter of technique (and size of the man may help).  I still don't quite get it though.

Does the clitoris vary much in location from one girl to another?

I'm not so sure it relates so much to it's location but rather the nerves and ones overall sensitivity.  Many women don't need direct clitoral stimulation to orgasm--just being in the general vicinity may be enough for some.

Learn something new everyday!  Do post-op MTF's also have sexual sensitivity around the clitoris or just on the clitoris itself?

By the way, I still can't figure out what the surgeon does with the nerve bundle from the glans that runs down the penile shaft into the body.  Do they just tuck it inside the body when they attach the neo-clitoris? 

Quote from: Robertina on July 28, 2010, 09:37:32 AM
Learn something new everyday!  Do post-op MTF's also have sexual sensitivity around the clitoris or just on the clitoris itself?

around it too- I'm very sensitive on my mound area just above and around it. That's one of the things Dr. McGinn mentions as well:

Quote from: Dr. Christine McGinnAfter your surgery you should be able to experience clitoral pleasure because the dorsal nerves of your penis have been preserved as a clitoris... Even if you experience some loss of clitoral bulk due to poor blood supply or scabbing, those nerve roots are still present. The area that corresponds to these roots is just below the mons pubis. By applying pressure to this area, you can stimulate the orgasm reflex that travels through your spinal chord to your brain. This may take several weeks to happen as the nerves heal and learn their new position.

I'm very sensitive to pressure in that area at 5 weeks post-op, really still a bit too sensitive. I notice now that she said it is the dorsal nerves that are preserved, which are only those that run along the upper side. I suppose those on the under side are lost, but she doesn't mention it. I reckon a man on top applying steady rhythmic pressure will be sufficient for stimulation lol

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 28, 2010, 02:32:11 PM


I'm very sensitive to pressure in that area at 5 weeks post-op, really still a bit too sensitive. I notice now that she said it is the dorsal nerves that are preserved, which are only those that run along the upper side. I suppose those on the under side are lost, but she doesn't mention it. I reckon a man on top applying steady rhythmic pressure will be sufficient for stimulation lol

That's encouraging news.  I was under the impression that if the clitoris was lost that all sensation would be lost too.  I also reckon that being on top--my fave--would also provide sufficient stimulation  :)

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 28, 2010, 07:07:48 AM
There's a lot actually in the handout she gives before surgery. I don't have a digital copy but it could maybe happen ;)

Yes, that could be handy.  *raises hand* for her copy.   I met Dr McGinn a couple years ago.. maybe she would give it to me, despite not choosing her for my surgery, I really liked her, and I know her heart and practice is for the benefit of the community.   I'm so glad you are doing well Chloe!  *huggs*  ...

At 6 months, I am not orgasmic.  However, I have not been orgasmic since starting Spiro a few years ago.  I will find my way to that path, as it comes.  It is important to me, but I have such a full life, that this is ancillary, and when it does happen, is like the lil cherry topping to the heaped ice cream, piled on the icing on the luscious chocolate fudge cake! :) 

I have a lot of numbness, and I can feel much of it coming back online, but overall, still lots of tingling, and such.  Which is all positive.  It will come back, it does more and more each day, with a tinge here, a twitch there.   I'll be updating mysusan's blog with a 6-month'ish report, including my first penetrative sex.. *cough*, which happened just this last weekend.  :P   No "O", as the thread title demands, but some other fun and interesting (?) details.....


*huggs*,
Melan

Quote from: Melan on July 28, 2010, 07:22:14 PM
Yes, that could be handy.  *raises hand* for her copy.   I met Dr McGinn a couple years ago.. maybe she would give it to me, despite not choosing her for my surgery, I really liked her, and I know her heart and practice is for the benefit of the community.   I'm so glad you are doing well Chloe!  *huggs*  ...

At 6 months, I am not orgasmic.  However, I have not been orgasmic since starting Spiro a few years ago.  I will find my way to that path, as it comes.  It is important to me, but I have such a full life, that this is ancillary, and when it does happen, is like the lil cherry topping to the heaped ice cream, piled on the icing on the luscious chocolate fudge cake! :) 

I have a lot of numbness, and I can feel much of it coming back online, but overall, still lots of tingling, and such.  Which is all positive.  It will come back, it does more and more each day, with a tinge here, a twitch there.   I'll be updating mysusan's blog with a 6-month'ish report, including my first penetrative sex.. *cough*, which happened just this last weekend.  :P   No "O", as the thread title demands, but some other fun and interesting (?) details.....


*huggs*,
Melan

Melan, i'm looking forward to your post in your blog about your first sexual experience.

Quote from: Ladyrider on July 28, 2010, 07:08:54 AM
I am 5 years post op and it took me a while to orgasm, or should I say "Learn" how to orgasm given the new equipment.  Even now it takes a while, but that's okay, it just makes the whole experience that much more enjoyable.

Good point, I also found it wasn't an issue with clitoris or vaginal sensitivity but finding the right way for me to acheive the best stimulation with my new anatomy.  With modern surgery techniques I think it would be very rare for someone to have no sensitivity at all.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that a HUGE part of "The Big O" is what happens between the ears - the human brain is the biggest sex organ going.  Okay, I know, the "equipment" has to be working, but surely a LOT of it is what the MIND is doing.  I just HAVE to assume that whole aspect gets rather different post-op...

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 28, 2010, 02:32:11 PM
I'm very sensitive to pressure in that area at 5 weeks post-op, really still a bit too sensitive. I notice now that she said it is the dorsal nerves that are preserved, which are only those that run along the upper side. I suppose those on the under side are lost, but she doesn't mention it. I reckon a man on top applying steady rhythmic pressure will be sufficient for stimulation lol

The dorsal nerve is actually the main nerve to the glans and for over all sensation, I believe any nerves on the bottom branch from the dorsal if my anatomy recollection is correct. So, this is the most important nerve bundle to preserve to ensure adequate sensation and orgasm.

FWIW, I'm orgasmic.  My first time was in the middle of the night as I stirred from sleep.  It was in the twilight of a waking state that I was relaxed enough to "think" it away.  Actually, I did think it away the first couple times.  It was an odd sensation that felt similar to having to pee.  Except, a natural reflex to the urge to pee is to bend at the waist and cross your legs, but that only intensified the sensation.  Every Time I bent or crossed my legs, the sensation grew... This was not a pee.  This felt really good.  I had my first orgasm that night, complete with wave after wave that seemed to permeate my entire body.  It wasn't extremely intense.  It was rather mild, in fact.  But it was comforting... like an old friend.  I laid there for what seemed like an hour with a smile on my face.  When I finally carried myself to the bathroom, I could feel the considerable moistness in my panties.  Not so much to be a problem, but enough to be noticed by a partner.  Since then, I've learned to control the intensity by how much I resist.  I hope that wasn't too graphic.

I was shocked.  I hadn't known what to expect.  I hadn't had the benefit of a post op friend to confide in me their O experience.  Since then, I can, nearly on demand, bring myself to orgasm with no other stimulus than my crossed legs... I guess we're all different.  It's kind of funny just how alike and different the big O is for us before and after srs.  I'm sure many of you are in for a pleasant surprise.

:)

Quote from: FairyGirl on July 28, 2010, 02:32:11 PM
I notice now that she said it is the dorsal nerves that are preserved, which are only those that run along the upper side. I suppose those on the under side are lost

Ya, I miss those on the underside.  They were the best.  But I can still O, it's just different. 

Eating at a very nice restaurant tonight, I almost had my first post-op orgasm - the food was that good.  I restrained myself a little so that I wouldn't embarass myself.  Next time though, I may just go for it, although it may be tough to give into the moaning in public. 

I dunno.  At my age food may be a more reliable source of pleasure than unattractive men.  Is it just me or are all men past a certain age soft or jerks or both?

Eating my way to bliss,
Kate

Quote from: Steffi on July 28, 2010, 12:29:02 AM
Among the cautionary notes about possible problems that the hospital gave me at my pre-op consult, it also mentions that in about 1% of cases, the clitoris becomes TOO sensitive and further treatment is necessary to try and adjust it. 
Usually something can be done to achieve a better level, but in a small proportion of that 1% in the end the only solution is to remove it or cut the nerves    :(

That's a chance I'm willing to take.
>:-)

Quote from: K8 on August 09, 2010, 06:41:55 PM
Is it just me or are all men past a certain age soft or jerks or both?

After a certain age, "soft" just kind of comes with the territory   :o  jk

Quote from: Dee_pntx on August 09, 2010, 07:51:56 PM
That's why I only go for guys between 25 and 35yro.  I'm 50 and 50yro guys just totally turn me off.
I'm a certified cougar.  RAWR!!!!!!!   >:-)

Lol....I'm 48 and feel the same.  Maybe it's because we don't feel our age..

Nope, and its useful as it helps lubricate your vagina....

Some men get very excited at the thought of women 'ejaculating'....weird maybe....but there you go...

Quote from: rejennyrated on July 28, 2010, 07:17:40 AM
Indeed that was EXACTLY what happened to me. For 26 years my lover(s) have had to avoid touching it directly - but earlier this year I had a revision which included a second clitoroplasty - the old one was HUGE, over sensitive, and in slightly the wrong place..

The firs srs I saw on UK telly  was Miss Evans (she neevr had a first name?  :D) and she did a very rough and ready job with a lot of unmasked observers around the poor sleeping patient and he technique for making the hole was just to ram her finger up to separate the muscles or whatever and then she stitched on what appeared to be the complete penis tip as a clitoris!  Sp maybe thats why older surgeries got bigger clitties and more painful ones?
This is the blurb that went with the programme:

Ever wanted to know how a sex change is done? Under the Knife with Miss Evans follows the work of Miss Christine Evans, Britain's best known no-nonsense genital and urological surgeon. The second episode in a six part series, tonight's film follows the operational journey of Mr Mike Barlow who is about to undergo the last stage of gender transition and become Miss Michelle Barlow. Watch as Michelle's redundant male private parts are sliced, skinned and turned inside out to form her new female genitalia, as Miss Evans tactfully explains 'It's just like skinning a rabbit!'. But will Michelle's operation be a success? And more importantly, what exactly happens when you cut off the penis? (

Quote from: lilacwoman on August 14, 2010, 05:18:09 AM
as Miss Evans tactfully explains 'It's just like skinning a rabbit!'.

:laugh:

I gush clear fluids when I orgasm and lots of it especially when I have had a shot of progynon depot,
if i just take a progynova pill, i am less horny and ejaculate less, and its more sticky.

I can finally answer my own question. I was watching porn on my laptop and i started rubbin my tities lol. I started getting really wet down below. I kept doing it and it started feeling really good. it felt like something was coming in and then it stopped and i kept doing it and i felt this hotness and it felt like i had to pee so layed there and i said omg something is coming and i had an orgasm i felt down below and all this liquid was coming out of me LOL it was very brief but it felt AMAZING. I would say pre-op orgasms are good but this was better and intense but didn't last long though like pre-op does. it was clear liquid but mines was like bubbly clear liquid it was amazing lol it hurted the first time though when it happened unless thats just how woman orgasm i dunno lol.

Yay Tinkerbell!

I get to follow you, and with a similar story.   I was watching a movie tonight, and something stirred inside me... more between the ears, but I felt warm.  I started playing.  Over the course of the next 90 minutes, I'll just say, several toys came out, and finally.... an "eeekkk" sprang from my lips.   All is right with the world, at least my world, tonight :P

I'm so relieved.  I was ready to face a life without "O" again.  I hadn't had one since about 2 months into HRT, OMG... Feb '08.   Life was ok without it...  but it's much better WITH it   ;D :o

Sweet Dreaming,
Melan

yay Melan! Yes we can tell by the smile in your new avatar haha  ;)

I had my first the other day while dilating, totally unexpected. I guess the dilator just hit the right spot or something. But my knees were still trembling later when I was washing the dilators lol ;D

Hi all,

I don't know if this is the right place for this but I had an erotic dream last night (I will not go into the sordid details) in the dream I had an orgasm and just as I had the orgasm in the dream I woke up and found secretions running down my legs. I know these are called wet dreams (or at least they were when I had male anatomy). My body definitely had an orgasm as I was still having it when I woke up.

I was surprised as I'm only 8 weeks post op (male to female) tomorrow and I didn't know I would have secretions like that.

My question is this, where on earth do these secretions come from and has anyone else experienced this themselves. I know i still have my prostrate gland as this to my understanding is not taken away at surgery. So are the secretions from that? I know this bit will gross people help but I did smell it and it smelt of nothing really just kind of gooey to the touch.

I'm not complaining, hehe it was a nice dream, hehe.

Stardust       

post-op and on low E should make the prostate come back to life and produce the liquid to order and if you can remember WAY BACK your juice was of the gooey nature so presumably your prostate came back to full flow.   
But in fact the gooey stuff is made and stored in the seminal vesicles up behind the prostate so last night yours emptied courtesy of a nice dream
Cowper's gland stuff is thin liquid.

Is a good news if orgasmic, good , encouraged me for after my srs.

Quote from: lilacwoman on September 08, 2010, 07:35:01 AM
post-op and on low E should make the prostate come back to life and produce the liquid to order and if you can remember WAY BACK your juice was of the gooey nature so presumably your prostate came back to full flow.   
But in fact the gooey stuff is made and stored in the seminal vesicles up behind the prostate so last night yours emptied courtesy of a nice dream
Cowper's gland stuff is thin liquid.

That has been worrying me as I'm still getting the odd hot flush even though I've been back on the same levels of E for six weeks. But the other odd thing is despite this my boobs have grown and extremely painful. I am due to have my hormone levels checked in the next couple of weeks so we shall see.

Thanks

Stardust 

Yep Stardust.... my first orgasm post op came via a dream some months in....and like you it woke me... on completion....so I knew too I'd had one!

Yer body just doin its stuff and reconnecting the synaptic links me thinks....brains eh?

Amazing.... but I didn't get fluid for quite a while... and when I eventually did it did have some blood deposits in which freaked me a bit ???

I only get loads of fluid post O if I haven't had one for a wee while like a couple of weeks.... or I'm teased for an age beforehand so that when I do (finally come off)....its almost painfully exquisite....you need a fab OS for this....

However at the mo while I heal....I hope to keep all that off the agenda for at least another 4-6 weeks....lol

I don't want to dispute what Lilac says, but some of us just do produce lots of lube. For years my E levels were sky high and my T is virtually zero. After a detailed anatomical exam my doctors concluded that effectively I don't have a prostate as such, whether because of some original anatomical peculiarity or because it has morphed into something else I don't know. Either way the big O is not, for me, the moment of fluid production.

What I get, and always have when turned on, is floods of slippery liquid like a thin mucus and I do mean floods of it, to an underwear changing degree. The thing is it can become super embarrassing because I have no control. The fluid just flows right at the point where I am starting to get sexually excited, like my vag knows something I don't... yet! For me that is often the first sign that my body is turned on, when I suddenly feel unexpectedly slippery wet down there.

The first time it happened I was so naive that I genuinely thought I had had an accident, and was confused when I found that the liquid wasn't urine. :embarrassed: My mother assured me that this was actually quite normal for girls.

Post-O I get nothing more that I have already had, which is a blessing because trust me it's more than enough already.  Artificial Lube - what's that? No need really... So don't worry Stardust, and indeed anyone else, with luck your body may just be in the early stages of morphing from post sexual fluid release to a pre-sexual one.

Quote from: rejennyrated on September 09, 2010, 02:24:42 AM
I don't want to dispute what Lilac says, but some of us just do produce lots of lube. For years my E levels were sky high and my T is virtually zero. After a detailed anatomical exam my doctors concluded that effectively I don't have a prostate as such, whether because of some original anatomical peculiarity or because it has morphed into something else I don't know. Either way the big O is not, for me, the moment of fluid production.

What I get, and always have when turned on, is floods of slippery liquid like a thin mucus and I do mean floods of it, to an underwear changing degree. The thing is it can become super embarrassing because I have no control. The fluid just flows right at the point where I am starting to get sexually excited, like my vag knows something I don't... yet! For me that is often the first sign that my body is turned on, when I suddenly feel unexpectedly slippery wet down there.

The first time it happened I was so naive that I genuinely thought I had had an accident, and was confused when I found that the liquid wasn't urine. :embarrassed: My mother assured me that this was actually quite normal for girls.

Post-O I get nothing more that I have already had, which is a blessing because trust me it's more than enough already.  Artificial Lube - what's that? No need really... So don't worry Stardust, and indeed anyone else, with luck your body may just be in the early stages of morphing from post sexual fluid release to a pre-sexual one.

Thanks Jenny,

Stardust

Quote from: rejennyrated on September 09, 2010, 02:24:42 AM

What I get, and always have when turned on, is floods of slippery liquid like a thin mucus and I do mean floods of it, to an underwear changing degree. The thing is it can become super embarrassing because I have no control. The fluid just flows right at the point where I am starting to get sexually excited, like my vag knows something I don't... yet! For me that is often the first sign that my body is turned on, when I suddenly feel unexpectedly slippery wet down there.

That would be awesome to see.. do you have a YouTube account?    :laugh:

JK, *huggs*,
Melan

Quote from: Melan on September 09, 2010, 02:41:52 PM
That would be awesome to see.. do you have a YouTube account?    :laugh:

JK, *huggs*,
Melan

Pffft! :P I knew I should probably have phrased that slightly differently! :embarrassed: Sorry I'm not really into being pornographic so positively no youtube... you'll just have to take my word.

And yes I know you were pulling my leg! It's ok I fully deserved that. Apologies if I was maybe a tad graphic in the original post, with hindsight I might have said that slightly differently but it is a difficult subject to discuss without risking getting a little bit icky.

Hi Jenny

Eeeeek, sorry for taking the low road, sometimes I can't resist!!!   ::)

Seeing your post reminded me...  I remember you saying something about living in or around London.  For my next trip (for SRS revision), to Thailand, I'm considering either taking a 2-3 layover in either LA (where I have a few friends), or in London.  Is it worth seeing London for a couple-few days, or is that just not enough time to get a feel for the city?

I'm way off thread topic here.. sorry Orgasm readers!  I'll make up for it with more tales of juicy O .. when I have my next one!!!! ;D

Melan

Quote from: Melan on September 09, 2010, 04:43:38 PM

I'm way off thread topic here.. sorry Orgasm readers!  I'll make up for it with more tales of juicy O .. when I have my next one!!!! ;D

Melan

O! No, O! No, O!, Yes, Yes, Yes, O! YESSSSSSSSSS it was a little off topic, lol.

Sorry couldn't resist that speaking of ogasms Melan, hehe.

Stardust

That was super cute Stardust LOL ;'D

Quote from: Suigeniris on September 12, 2010, 04:55:12 PM
That was super cute Stardust LOL ;'D

Thanks Suigeniris, I'm a little naughty sometimes,  >:-) when I can't resist the thought, hehe 

Stardust

Quote from: stardust on September 09, 2010, 04:58:03 PM
O! No, O! No, O!, Yes, Yes, Yes, O! YESSSSSSSSSS it was a little off topic, lol.

Sorry couldn't resist that speaking of ogasms Melan, hehe.

Stardust

I stopped by the local 'women's shop' yesterday, and picked up 2 more different types of vibrators... just keeping you informed :P    (one has rabbit ears  ;D)

OOOOOO yes....
Melan

rabbit ears? lol that sounds like fun! I've managed one so far, that was with my dilator and totally by accident though. Those things are just TOO hard, like trying to have sex with a brick and about as erotic lol

Quote from: Melan on September 12, 2010, 07:10:20 PM
I stopped by the local 'women's shop' yesterday, and picked up 2 more different types of vibrators... just keeping you informed :P    (one has rabbit ears  ;D)

OOOOOO yes....
Melan

Do they only come with rabbit ears Melan, lol. What about leopard or tiger? Um, second thoughts, perhaps a little too big, hehe.

Stardust

After several decades I have a huge collection of such toys. I think I have about 10 in all including eggs, butterflies, rabbits and vibes one which actually has a depth gauge on it! LOL Another is small enough to fit into a purse... whilst a third is a real monster over 50% bigger than the biggest dilator it is bright red - and really satisfying! (getting on for the size of a small human wrist the fact that I can accommodate it is testimony to my elastic skin I think! :o)

My favourite is called an igasm - which as it sounds is an egg that plugs into an ipod and gives music a whole new dimension!

Quote from: rejennyrated on September 13, 2010, 05:10:35 PM
My favourite is called an igasm - which as it sounds is an egg that plugs into an ipod and gives music a whole new dimension!

OMG!! LMAO :laugh: :laugh:

@ Regen:.... GURLLL what can I say .....your my sUperHERO.  LOL LOLwhen I grow up I wanna be just like you lol lol lol  ;)

I have had sex numerous of times in the past 3 mths and I have been told by ALL of my friends that I am totally wet.  I climaxed 15 times during intercourse the other night and there was a HUGE wet spot under me afterwards.  I dont know what wet actually means but they have told me that DAYUM, your p   y is wet. even with them fondling me, they say that.  I have seen the whitish creamy substance oozing out when I masturbate.  I have no clue where it comes from but it is there EVERYTIME i climax.

I was also told that i probably wouldnt have that type of orgasm but i am sure they have to tell us that because of not getting our hopes up. Only 2 of the men knew me before and i asked them was I wet and they said hell yes and one of them told me that I was when it

Quote from: missyzanta on September 17, 2010, 08:45:39 AM
I have had sex numerous of times in the past 3 mths and I have been told by ALL of my friends that I am totally wet.  I climaxed 15 times during intercourse the other night and there was a HUGE wet spot under me afterwards.  I dont know what wet actually means but they have told me that DAYUM, your p   y is wet. even with them fondling me, they say that.  I have seen the whitish creamy substance oozing out when I masturbate.  I have no clue where it comes from but it is there EVERYTIME i climax.

I was also told that i probably wouldnt have that type of orgasm but i am sure they have to tell us that because of not getting our hopes up. Only 2 of the men knew me before and i asked them was I wet and they said hell yes and one of them told me that I was when it

15 times! Uh, wow! That leaves me speechless. Speechless and jealous.

Hmmmm.  I had my first orgasm almost 2 years after my surgery.  I was told that if a post op girl is to have an orgasm it usually happens a lot earlier than 2 years and that usually if you have not had one by about 2 1/2 years you probably won't ever have one.  I was also told that the reason I took so long to have one was due to the fact that I transisioned so early (puberty halted at Tanner stage 3 at 13 years old, HRT at 16 and GRS at 18) and had never had an orgasm.  Anyway, I do produce about a teaspoon or less of fluid when I orgasm, but not every time.  I am impressed at how many orgasms some post op girls on this thread claim to have had.  Lucky them.  the most I have had in one session is 3.  Most times it is only 1 or 2.

Fret not Tracy....

Much like the Cosmo letters pages.....(enuff said)....I'd take some thing with a wee pinch of salt.... sweet-pee, that you see typed here....lol

And I would imagine you're right re the puberty halt that would limit the T hormones (which have been trialled on GG women to increase libido)... with dubious affect... that could have had some impact on you.

However, women's sexuality is in fact far more complex than GG men's! Less physical and more mental for sure. The NMR based study work is very revealing. This is why the holy-grail of a female Viagra is still not on the market...(and yes the bio/tech/pharmas have been searching)....

I'm 52 and would honestly say I orgasm more through masturbation than I ever do through basic intercourse... and like you do not come on demand... or every time. But sometimes I can and even in unison, if my lover skilled and into me enuff  :P

(This makes me exactly the same as the vast majority of women out there)

Love making is not like you see on TV, in mags, in films and most importantly not like you see in Porn, at all... well maybe amateur stuff, but even then everyone's different....there is no generic we're all individuals what's good for some isn't for others.

And for me getting a fanny (vagina) was not because of the sex I was then going to have....not at all in fact. With me personally the sex thing's just been the bonus....not the main motivation at all....

So don't worry to much my dear about what you read here....you have a beautiful face and youth on your side, so revel in that for a few decades or two, and I would have been thrilled too to have my puberty stopped when you did.

(but sadly not)

Quote from: Cruelladeville on September 27, 2010, 06:22:30 PM
Fret not Tracy....

Love making is not like you see on TV, in mags, in films and most importantly not like you see in Porn, at all... well maybe amateur stuff, but even then everyone's different....there is no generic we're all individuals what's good for some isn't for others.

And for me getting a fanny (vagina) was not because of the sex I was then going to have....not at all in fact. With me personally the sex thing's just been the bonus....not the main motivation at all....

So don't worry to much my dear about what you read here....you have a beautiful face and youth on your side, so revel in that for a few decades or two, and I would have been thrilled too to have my puberty stopped when you did.

(but sadly not)

I couldn't agree more Cruelladeville,

I don't even expect to have a relationship at my age, (nearly 52) particularly with a man. So it wasn't about sex that I had to transition. So the only way is imagination and a few select toys. I had a orgasm at about two months post op through that and I was thrilled to be orgasmic via my clit. I would have been depressed if I was not orgasmic and I would have been totally upset if I had to wait 2+ years to find out. As you say though every bodies body is different. I have had several erotic dreams that made me orgasm, (woke up having the orgasm) since my SRS and I think that highlights the imagination part of things too.

Stardust

Thanks to both Cruelladeville and Stardust.  I agree, orgasms have been a bonus - they were not a requirement after GRS.  I endured a lot to get where I am now.  I am 4 1/2 years post op.  When I was a pre-teen and then a teen I asked God frequently why he had punished me by giving me a penis.  I almost lost religion over it.  The happiest day of my life was when I came out of surgery knowing that I no longer had a male part, even though I was enduring a lot of discomfort.  As for my first orgasm, I almost had it by mistake.  I was dilating and exploring my clitoral area when it happened.  It was a small one, so I wasn't really sure what had happened other than I know that it had felt good, kind of like a good sneeze.  Better ones came later but none of them were really vaginal, really 90 percent clitoral and 10 percent vaginal.

I have tried dildos as well, but they all feel about the same and produced the same results with regard to orgasms.  I had to try really hard and I didn't always have one and they varied in intensity.  I am now engaged and I have had sex with my fiancé.  It is a totally different thing and my orgasms feel more vaginal – his penis must be touching something that the dialator or dildo did not, although there is still clitoral stimulation.  At any rate, I do orgasm every time with him in fact usually I have a really big one and then a smaller one when he orgasms.  Sometime I have three.  However even if I didn't have any orgasms it would not matter as I am very happy as I am and wouldn't change anything.  The fact that my body matches my mind is, to me, the most important thing.

Tracy

Quote from: Valeriedances on September 28, 2010, 03:13:39 PM
This has not occurred for me yet. For a while there was numbness in the area and my clitoris is still waiting to make an appearance. I'm hopeful at some point it will happen. A big change since surgery is I dont seem to have a sex drive any longer, though I want sex for the affection and intimacy.

Nice to hear from you again Val!  :) I'm surprised to hear that your clitoris is still hiding.  I had a concern about that area myself today as the stiches around my inner labia are coming apart and I noticed a hard black scab like area underneath the hooding covering what appears to be my clitoris.  I was concerned with the color so I contacted Anne and sent her a photo.  Thankfully Brassard said all is ok and to keep the area clean.  I'm guessing all the numbness has gone away by the sounds of it.  Sex drive in my case has increased dramatically.  I wasn't very sexual in my former life.  How could I be?
I'm sure all will work out well for you in the end, Valerie!  :)

Quote from: Valeriedances on September 28, 2010, 04:11:48 PM
Hi Kristyn!

I had a scab also that seemed to last a very long time, about 6 weeks if I remember right. It covered the whole area there. When it was finally gone I couldnt see what should be the clitoris. I sent pics to Anne and she kept telling me not to worry ...wait a year, so we'll see. Sigh, a year with no orgasm. I'm beginning to resign myself to the idea.

Since you talked with Dr. B. in depth about yours, I'm sure yours will be more visible/prominent.

Currently the scab is only covering the clitoral area under the hood.  Below the stitches have begun to break and I am able to see the inner labia.  That scab over the clitoris scared me as I thought it had died or something.  Dr Brassard assured me all is ok and to keep the area clean.  Do you have sensation in that area?  I know I do. I can feel it underneath.  Funny thing, when I contract my pc muscle my entire vulva moves!  :laugh:

I'm sure you will be alright.  Even without a visible clitoris you may still be able to orgasm as there are nerves underneath.  If you are feeling numbness you could try Vitamin B supplements--I'm doing 200mg a day.

Quote from: Kristyn on September 28, 2010, 04:38:45 PMFunny thing, when I contract my pc muscle my entire vulva moves!  :laugh:

yeah mine too! Isn't that the most amazing thing? I like to just sit there and flex the muscles, its a very nice feeling lol

I've had one orgasm post-op and it wasn't clitoral at all but vaginal, or I suppose "g-spot", stimulated by dilating when I wasn't even having sexy thoughts. My clitoris is plenty sensitive, I just haven't used it yet lol. But the thing is it is also possible to orgasm from internal stimulation alone (of course a bit of pushing the little love button along with it helps too ;))

Quote from: FairyGirl on September 28, 2010, 05:22:05 PM
yeah mine too! Isn't that the most amazing thing? I like to just sit there and flex the muscles, its a very nice feeling lol

I've had one orgasm post-op and it wasn't clitoral at all but vaginal, or I suppose "g-spot", stimulated by dilating when I wasn't even having sexy thoughts. My clitoris is plenty sensitive, I just haven't used it yet lol. But the thing is it is also possible to orgasm from internal stimulation alone (of course a bit of pushing the little love button along with it helps too ;))

It is really cool, I just don't want to push it too much since I'm still healing.  I can also feel the cold lube deep inside me which is a strange feeling too.

Quote from: Valeriedances on September 28, 2010, 03:13:39 PM
This has not occurred for me yet. For a while there was numbness in the area and my clitoris is still waiting to make an appearance. I'm hopeful at some point it will happen. A big change since surgery is I don't seem to have a sex drive any longer, though I want sex for the affection and intimacy.

Hi Val, my clitoris is/seems to be almost invisible too, I had asked the surgeon for two things, that it looks aesthetically close to female as possible and sensate. I can't help looking at it, lol and it seems sensate.

I will not get to graphic but I didn't want to fiddle with it much to reach an orgasm so just tapped the hood area and hey presto. The orgasm seemed to last a while making the body convulse a lot of times, quit different from a male orgasm. My libido seems to be fairly good and I only just have to think about something sexy and I can feel my clitoral area make kind of movements.

I'm sure size has nothing to do with being sensate mine really is tiny, I emailed the hospital several times in the first six weeks because I was convinced my clit had died, they said not to panic yet. Even when I went back for my discharge assessment I had to ask the surgeon to take a look and also tell me where it was. He gave me a mirror and pointed it out, that's how small mine is, but hay, it works. I'm sure its just a matter of time Val.

Stardust

So, what causes the increased libido and clitoral sensation post-op? (I'm non op, BTW). Is it mostly mental, or does the clitoris  become more sensitive than the glans originally was?  I ask because I've been experiencing less and less libido and if I can orgasm, its very bla (when going solo - with a partner its pretty good).  Maybe its mental?.

Quote from: stardust on September 28, 2010, 06:44:56 PM
I'm sure size has nothing to do with being sensate mine really is tiny, I emailed the hospital several times in the first six weeks because I was convinced my clit had died, they said not to panic yet. Even when I went back for my discharge assessment I had to ask the surgeon to take a look and also tell me where it was. He gave me a mirror and pointed it out, that's how small mine is, but hay, it works. I'm sure its just a matter of time Val.

Stardust

I feel you may be right stardust as mine is quite small as well but has lots of sensation and I cannot complain at all about the performance it can put out when time requires.  They say good things come in small packages......

Quote from: Robertina on September 28, 2010, 08:21:18 PM
So, what causes the increased libido and clitoral sensation post-op? (I'm non op, BTW). Is it mostly mental, or does the clitoris  become more sensitive than the glans originally was?  I ask because I've been experiencing less and less libido and if I can orgasm, its very bla (when going solo - with a partner its pretty good).  Maybe its mental?.

I had virtually zero libido pre surgery which I feel was mental as I had no want to use my old part for sexual satisfaction or for that matter any other things except peeing.  Post surgery my libido now has come back with a vengenance, again I think this is more a mental issue and me now being very happy with my new parts.  The clitoral sensation I think is more to do with the surgery outcome than anything else.

Before my surgery I was aware of the fact that the clitoris is constructed from the top tip of the glans, with something called "dorsal nerve sparing". I wrongly assumed that my clitoris would feel the same afterwards as this small area did before. However, this has not been my experience at all. Basically all the nerves that produce erotic sensation are now combined into a much smaller area of an altogether different shape. Everything is swapped around. I have a lot more sensitivity in my clitoris, but it may be because all that sensation been been concentrated into one tiny button lol :laugh:  The thing is, both the outside and the inside are in a completely different arrangement so it's difficult to compare except to say it feels better now. :)

Here is another excerpt from my surgeon's instructions concerning post-op orgasms in which she mentions both libido and the importance of the mental aspect:

Quote from: Dr. Christine McGinn16. Sensation. Erotic sensation of  the vaginal area is a complex subject and the more informed you are, the more you will be able to enjoy sexual pleasure following surgery. Hormone levels, emotional state, and partner acceptance play an important role in your ability to have an orgasm. Often it takes some experimentation and effort to learn how your new vagina works. I recommend the book "The Science of Orgasm" by Beverly Whipple to learn more about how this process works. I helped to edit the chapter on transsexual orgasm. It is important to note: if you were not able to orgasm prior to surgery, nothing we do in surgery increases your ability or likelihood of reaching orgasm after surgery.
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After your surgery you should be able to experience clitoral pleasure because the dorsal nerves of your penis have been preserved as a clitoris... Even if you experience some loss of clitoral bulk due to poor blood supply or scabbing, those nerve roots are still present. The area that corresponds to these roots is just below the mons pubis. By applying pressure to this area, you can stimulate the orgasm reflex that travels through your spinal chord to your brain. This may take several weeks to happen as the nerves heal and learn their new position. Vitamin B6 helps with this process. During the healing phase you will experience odd feelings that have been described as "shocks, zappers, tingles, or itching". These can take you by surprise and happen at inopportune times. This is normal nerve healing and should dissipate after several months.
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Before I finish with this topic, I will touch on the importance of two more issues: Hormones and Psyche. Hormones can greatly affect your libido and ability to experience sexual pleasure. They can also affect the amount of lubrication you produce. Genetic females do have some testosterone that comes from the breakdown of progesterone (this is why many females experience increased libido right before their period). After the testicles are removed MTF transsexuals have little to no testosterone and I recommend a small amount of testosterone or progesterone following surgery.

Your state of mind plays a large role in your sexual satisfaction. If you suffer from anxiety, low self esteem, fear of what your partner is thinking, or post operative depression then your sexual satisfaction may suffer. The excitement of surgery is quickly replaced by the reality of dilation and recovery, which can often cause depression as your body adapts  to the changing hormone levels, and use of pain medication. If you are finding that your sexual satisfaction has declined, do not hesitate to find a therapist that specializes in sex therapy. Sex therapists are specifically trained to deal with these types of issues. If you are having trouble finding a trans-experienced sex therapist, contact AASECT on the world wide web.

I have a comment regarding libido.  It really is a state of mind, of course influenced by hormones.  When I am dilating and decide to bring myself to orgasm, I really have to work at it, and it doesn't always happen.  However when I am with my boyfriend, I get excited really quickly and when we make love I always have an orgasm and most time two – a really big one followed by a smaller when usually when he has his orgasm.  So I think although hormones play a part it is your state of mind which is the main factor.

I ALWAYS have an orgasm when self inflicted.  I have to grab the whole vagina and squeeze.  My clitoris is sensitive but i am not sure i like the feeling i acutually get from it.  it is kind of annoying.  I have to get ready and accustomed to it.  When a man performs fellatio on me, they concentrate on the hood not the actually clit.  I thought they were supposed to concentrate on that but they dont.  I have had some who did from time to time but mostly the hoood.  Now when they do the hood there is total enjoyment for me.  My clit is highly sensative.  Now for the lady who hasnt still seen her clitoris, mine peeked through about week 4 and it was fully visible by week 6.  I had my first sexual encounter/penetration and week 6 and it was totally wonderful and scary.  It happened by accident.  I dilated before he came over so i was pretty open and his penis wasnt too large so he kinda slipped it in to me without my knowing and he had put a condom on also.  When I realized there was a different feeling I was feeling, i looked down and he had inserted his penis in me and OH MY GOD, sex has never been the same for me.  I am highly mucosal and I dont need lubrication once aroused. 

I hope your clits little head surfaces soon.  Dr. Bowers did my surgery and I havent had not ONE problem except my urine stream is horrible.   

Quote from: Melan on June 20, 2010, 09:20:12 PM
I haven't orgasm'ed yet, and I actually had concerns about the numbness that seemed to pervade the region.  That was until I saw an experienced doc last week, that she said I should keep stimulation to the area, that might help with nerve regrowth and getting feeling back.

I happened to be at a women's shop yesterday to pick up some tickets for an event.. and glanced over to the vibrator section.  I had thought about picking one up before, but never had.  So I purchased a 'starter' model.... OMG... there's definitely some nerves firing down there.  Not to get too personal.. but yes, there's life there, and I daresay the sensation is 10x better then any experienced pre-op, even without orgasm connecting in the brain.   I was so relieved.

I haven't orgasm'd, but I know that is going to take awhile for me.   I was never able to orgasm after anti-androgens took affect, a couple years ago, but I know that it will happen, and I patiently await, and have incorporated a 'vibration' routine into my daily dilations, *giggles*.

Yee haw..... :laugh:
Melan

I'm going to have to try that.  I've had orgasms but it is really inconsistent.  Some times i get aroused easily, and other times it doesn't matter what I do.  Any suggestions?

Quote from: Jenna Renee on September 30, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
I'm going to have to try that.  I've had orgasms but it is really inconsistent.  Some times i get aroused easily, and other times it doesn't matter what I do.  Any suggestions?

A lot of orgasm is a state of mind, I know I can't if I'm not in the right mind set.  This may sound weird but trying reading a sexy novel, watch some porn, buy a sex toy or maybe fantasize.  Anything to get you aroused will help immensely.  I also find these days it takes time to get there, unlike the days of old which were wham bam all over, but then the end result these days is soooo much better.

Quote from: missyzanta on September 17, 2010, 08:45:39 AM
I have had sex numerous of times in the past 3 mths and I have been told by ALL of my friends that I am totally wet.  I climaxed 15 times during intercourse the other night and there was a HUGE wet spot under me afterwards.  I dont know what wet actually means but they have told me that DAYUM, your p   y is wet. even with them fondling me, they say that.  I have seen the whitish creamy substance oozing out when I masturbate.  I have no clue where it comes from but it is there EVERYTIME i climax.

I was also told that i probably wouldnt have that type of orgasm but i am sure they have to tell us that because of not getting our hopes up. Only 2 of the men knew me before and i asked them was I wet and they said hell yes and one of them told me that I was when it

15 Times?  Who was your surgeon, the Energizer Bunny?

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so i have HUGE NEWS i'm VERY ORGASMIC. i've had a TON OF ORGASMS. whats weird about mines is i can have multiple ones with my clothes on and NOT touch my clit or my vagina. my stimulation comes directly from my nipples, in fact i get zero stimulation from my clit. when i do have an O I Squirt out cum and my pussy gets very WET. i don't know yet if i can have one in front of a guy yet but by myself i can get myself off.

Tink, that is pretty amazing! Wow you must be thrilled. Are you on progesterone?  My libido is gone down in my pre op days.  I hear other post op gals some of them say they have your experience.  I can't imagine it! But I have heard it so many times now, I have to believe it is possible! I think I would want to know the secrets to this success...that is for sure.  I know it is half in the mind too. But you have to be "interested " and feel sexy to have it. I think! Anyway, thanks for sharing. I am fasinated!
Amelia

Fluid comes from the prostate, via the urethra.
Some seeps out quite early on in sexual excitement and provides lube, plus a possible squirt at climax.
Once on strong AA's or after orchi, the fluid is clear and sweet and slippy, though not quite as slippy as natural female lube IMO

Pain might stem from remaining cavernosa?  Some seem to have this problem more than others

Quote from: Tinkerbell on December 18, 2010, 08:25:13 AM
UPDATE!!! I'M BACK HAHA Haters FALL BACK

so i have HUGE NEWS i'm VERY ORGASMIC. i've had a TON OF ORGASMS. whats weird about mines is i can have multiple ones with my clothes on and NOT touch my clit or my vagina. my stimulation comes directly from my nipples, in fact i get zero stimulation from my clit. when i do have an O I Squirt out cum and my pussy gets very WET. i don't know yet if i can have one in front of a guy yet but by myself i can get myself off.

Hey girl, wow sounds like a successful surgery. was wondering who did your srs? w/b. thanks. winter88

Quote from: winter88 on October 29, 2011, 05:35:58 PM
Hey girl, wow sounds like a successful surgery. was wondering who did your srs? w/b. thanks. winter88

^^ Seconded.

Who is that god of butchery, with hands so deft he transforms prostitutes into minstrels?

Any indication how long to wait best before getting into it? 3 – 4 – 5 month?

Or will the body tell just like the 'first time' (male puberty)?

I'm still feeling puffed up inside mostly after 5  - 6 weeks post SRS and have no good feeling to start with this 'stuff' as yet. I'm very sure it would hurt more then ANYTHING... like 2nd op crocodile bite. OUCH!

Am I right the way I see it - or will O help with healing?? I does not feel this way to me though.

Axelle

6 weeks is still very early in recovery and you're probably going through hormonal changes as well. Just take your time, one day the arousal will feel nice and you feel better exploring your new parts. Don't be afraid to explore it, some day it won't hurt but it will feel nice instead.

Thanks Sweetie, that sounds like good advise - makes a lot of sense.

Though going of AAs just since 2 days, I get some unmistakable stirrings... :-)

Enjoy,
Axelle

I started exploring a little early too ;))))  ,I.forget at what point i had my first orgasm I'm thinking it was day 37 ( could be wrong ) the last one was on Sunday  ,I am still learning my body . But i have to say exploring  is fun ;)) and when you get a. Chance  order an I VIBE RABBIT wonderful toy (AFTER 6 MONTHS POST )

Hon, I'm about 37 days and that 'Rabbit thingy' would plain kill my clit - and me!
I still can hardly touch it as yet!

So, as the saying goes: "Horses for courses", or was it 'Rabbits'? :-)

Axelle

omg!! sorry the rabbit is for later much later trust me i totally get it lol my first time was with the vibe touch http://we-vibe.com/we-vibe-touch (http://we-vibe.com/we-vibe-touch) , and i used it on the softest setting  again sowwy :(

Hey honey bunch, no problem! :-)

It surely be great fun once we progressed in healing, he he.

Axelle

Hello everyone, I am new in this forum, my name is Antonella, I have been post op for 13 years now, and I have a question: for some time (3/4 years) most of the time after I climax, besides the liquid I have pain for like 10 minutes between the vagina and the anus (I think it's the prostate) is that normal because the prostate has been stimulated or a pulled muscle could it be a problem?
Thank you

Hugs

Antonella

I'm two months post-op and so far it seems that it's going to take some more time before I even feel like wanting to try to get one XD

I ll keep you informed if it happens, though.

Quote from: Anto on May 08, 2014, 08:43:09 AM
Hello everyone, I am new in this forum, my name is Antonella, I have been post op for 13 years now, and I have a question: for some time (3/4 years) most of the time after I climax, besides the liquid I have pain for like 10 minutes between the vagina and the anus (I think it's the prostate) is that normal because the prostate has been stimulated or a pulled muscle could it be a problem?
Thank you

Hugs

Antonella

Hey Antonella

Welcome to Susan's  :)  Great to have you here - looking forward to seeing you around the forum.

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Im there or nearly there feeling is nice I get moist down and a funny spasm type feeling again nice and a funny electric feel through my body then when I stop its like my whole clit is letting out this nice buzz feel im still numb and swollen in that area.

julie x

Enjoy GF. I bet that feels great.

What a great thread! It's a drag that that spurt of liquid can't come out BEFORE sex. But it's still nice nonetheless. Mine still does smell kind of like the old schtuff that came out pre-op, but not quite. It's almost like a 50/50 mix of male semen and female vaginal fluid. I can't imagine having a constantly wet crotch though. That would be too much for me.

Quote from: Kristyn on May 11, 2010, 10:53:32 PM
Actually, I only stopped producing fluids when my doctor switched me from Spironolactone to Androcur last year.  As for post surgical changes, I'm really keeping my expectations low to avoid disappointment.  That's not to say I'm not keeping positive, though.

I am Post Op 20+ years (surgery in 1992) and I have not stopped secreting during an orgasm.  I still produce.  I think it depends on the method the doctor uses.  I have also been on and off hormones for years and it makes no difference in my body chemistry. 

I don't know if that's standard or that I'm just blessed lol