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I loved dressing up.I loved doing my hair.I loved picking out a new outfit..I loved the compliments i would get.I loved it all.The modern woman goes out looking like crap,I mean they look like hell,like they just got out of bed.Nothing matches.they look like slobs.Well maby that is good,when their boyfriends are hitting on me

This.. strikes me as exceedingly judgmental.
You're also imposing your own expectations of gender, on others.

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 15, 2010, 06:48:57 PM
I don't agree at all. I don't understand where you are getting this impression from.

One would assume hes getting this impression from how the girls dress where hes from :)

Quote from: Little Dragon on May 15, 2010, 06:54:32 PM
One would assume hes getting this impression from the girls he sees where hes from :)

HE?

The gender listed on the OP's profile is male.

Quote from: Muddy on May 15, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
The gender listed on the OP's profile is male.

ugh, my bad!

Quote from: Dana Lane on May 15, 2010, 06:56:09 PM
HE?

Well I first thought OP was a girl like us, but then i noticed the gender was set to male... so... I guess its a boy :)

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 15, 2010, 07:03:11 PM
Then Brabara needs to stop making generalisations about all 'modern women' based on the small sample set that Barbara encounters.

Barb is certainly not from Philly!

Hey, everyone is different and beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Sometimes I want to get made up if I'm going out or just 'cause it makes me feel good

But most of the time I don't... That doesn't stop guys from checkin' me out even when I think I look like crap

Like today, I stopped to get a LOTTO ticket on the way to the store... I was wearing a tank top and blue jeans and no make up

At the conv. store I noticed a guy checkin' my stuff... Then his girlfriend walk up and socked him in the arm and was all like "What the Hecks?"

Then she gave me one of those if looks could kill looks

I just blushed a bit and continued with my errands

I live in Scotland, and here all the girls seem to wear the same stuff, like really light clothing that must be freezing to be out wearing! mostly just tees and jeans (jeans are VERY popular here), commonly worn are them extremely lobg tops that are so long they go down to your knees butchu jsut wear them over the hips and let the top crumple up.. I think those long shirts are good looking, Id love to ear those when Im on hormones :) I dont know if you get those long tops in the US.

Anyways, all the girls here wear very light clothing but they always look great - ie, not "crap" as OP puts it :P

Depends on where you are I guess, both geographically, but also within the city.  I guess most people at Safeway are not all dolled up, but you go to the financial district during work and the women look very good, very well dressed.  Or you could go to about 80% of the shows I work (NOT the hippie shows) the girls are dressed to thrill and to kill.

I think girls look beautiful whether they've just rolled out of bed or have gotten all dressed up. The only thing that really bothers me is when girls don't realize how wonderful they are and most of them feel that way because of people like you trying to force your own standards on them.  Seriously girls are under enough pressure these days without people telling them how they should look.

I dunno, I always thought that girls looked better with their natural face on. Too much makeup just ruins it!  ;D

No makeup - or makeup free if you prefer - is the hot new trend.  It's going to last about a week and a half, so catch it while you can.  Anyone who watched Kathy Lee go makeup free last week is screaming 'put it back on granny' - really she was looking about as old as Frank.

Hoda Kotb was even worse.

There's also the fine line between too much gaudy scary TV evangelist and could at least put some eye liner and lipstick on

So deciding where your at in the mix and what's apropos for the occasion can be important

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Do you think they can tell the cat's been taxadurmied?

OMG
My pussy has been stuffed :o

Sorry
Cindy

Quote from: CindyJames on May 16, 2010, 04:04:29 AM
OMG
My pussy has been stuffed :o

Sorry
Cindy

;D

Quote from: Doveglion on May 15, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
I think girls look beautiful whether they've just rolled out of bed or have gotten all dressed up. The only thing that really bothers me is when girls don't realize how wonderful they are and most of them feel that way because of people like you trying to force your own standards on them.  Seriously girls are under enough pressure these days without people telling them how they should look.

This

Quote from: Fenrir on May 15, 2010, 08:43:06 PM
I dunno, I always thought that girls looked better with their natural face on. Too much makeup just ruins it!  ;D

And this. It used to drive me nuts with my ex, she'd go out of the house looking amazing (i'd tell her so) by the time we got to town she'd think she was hideous.....arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! I would have sacrificed body parts to look as good as she did too.

Quote from: CindyJames on May 16, 2010, 04:04:29 AM
OMG
My pussy has been stuffed :o

Sorry
Cindy

trust you Cindy ;) :laugh:

Why do women always cop this crap? Honestly, guys are either dissing them for one thing or another, and I come on here and the same thing!

Wherever I go, I think the majority of women dress well. At nightclubs they dress beautifully, their whole wage must be spent on their wardrobe. So I can't agree with the OP at all.

I have travelled North America, Europe and East Asia only, but I can say that women in crowded countries and cities tend to take care of their beauty more than those in rural areas. I guess there may be an interesting correlation between per capita purchase of cosmetics and population density.

I am living in Korea, in which the actual population density is probably one of the highest in the world. A problem here is women tend to spend to much time and money in their beauty.

You may read a cover story in Time magazine, Asia:
http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/1101020805/story.html (http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/1101020805/story.html)

Barbie~~

Quote from: barbie on May 16, 2010, 05:23:51 AM
I am living in Korea, in which the actual population density is probably one of the highest in the world. A problem here is women tend to spend to much time and money in their beauty.

I know that Korea isn't Japan, but your comment made me think of Geishas. I'd love to wear a kimono and make-up like one, do my hair up too teehee. I already love every aspect of japanese culture, I think back in feudal times they were maids for hire for aristocrats, but their services were NEVER sexual (must stress this), however nowadays in or modern society that Geishas would be an expression of feminine beauty and grace ;D Tho I don't think the japanese still have them now, and I'd look rather silly here in the UK if I were to go out dressed like one XD It seems the "expression of feminine beauty" in our western societies are all about exposing as much of your body as possible :\

I'm unsire of what japanese girls wear but I can take a good guess, I'm sure they wear similar clothes to american girls.

Omg.. theres a Geisha school in the UK.. http://schoolofgeisha.com/geisha_training_uk.html (http://schoolofgeisha.com/geisha_training_uk.html) jeez this isn't cheap! But they do take you to japan and train there ;D This is amasing..

For ƃuıxǝʌ, I just have a feeling you'll hate my opinion on this and I don't want us to fight anymore, but let me give you this quote from the website, it puts the idea of the Geisha in a way I couldn't possibly: "Modern lifestyle barely leaves room for emotional and spiritual recreation. We are moving away  from the force of Being into aggressive reality of Doing. We suppress our feelings and trust our thinking, cold logic overrides intuition. In this testosterone-driven quest for  supremacy femininity is eroded. Most women are longing to express their femininity and sensuality but rarely find the time to do so. This habit shuts down their feminine energy and often leads to a misbalance in life."

Well said, I look forward to the day I can wear a kimono or cheong sam of an evening. They are just so elegant.

Quote from: justmeinoz on May 16, 2010, 06:57:37 AM
Well said, I look forward to the day I can wear a kimono or cheong sam of an evening. They are just so elegant.

Yes yes ;D Elegance and beauty <3 The japanese have a lovely culture where a womans femininity can be valued and respected XD I love how the website closes off the introduction about its school: "Experience the POWER of Being Feminine!" <3

Quote from: Little Dragon on May 16, 2010, 06:38:51 AM
I know that Korea isn't Japan, but your comment made me think of Geishas.

Yes. It is true that Japan has been the window of the East Asia for westerners. Geisha is the same. I guess Geisha was originated from Korean Gisaeng:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geisha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geisha)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisaeng (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisaeng)
http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/gisaeng-koreas-version-of-the-geisha/ (http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/gisaeng-koreas-version-of-the-geisha/)

Anyway the role of geisha had been same between Korea and Japan. Initially, they were for art and entertainment, but later sometimes accompanied by sex service for government officers. I believe, in Japan, a central government and civilization per se started in 17th century, making it necessary to give some entertainment to government officials who were dispatched away from home. In Korea, there had been official gisaengs set up and educated/trained under the control of the central government.

Recently I visited Japan, and my impression was typical fashion of Japanese young women is closer to modern punk fasion whereas Korean young girls tend to be more reserved in their fashion. I prefer the fashion style of Korean girls.

Barbie~~

Quote from: barbie on May 16, 2010, 07:03:34 AM
Anyway the role of geisha had been same between Korea and Japan. Initially, they were for art and entertainment, but later sometimes accompanied by sex service for government officers.

Huh? I always thought it was a bad thing for a Geisha to have sex with clients, they're artists not prostitutes.. Tradition is very highly regarded there.. :\

I also remember watching Memoirs of a Geisha (not basing all my knowledge on this movie, btw :P) and when the Geisha had sex with someone she was severely punished by her tutors, wasn't she?

Quote from: Little Dragon on May 16, 2010, 07:09:39 AM
Huh? I always thought it was a bad thing for a Geisha to have sex with clients, they're artists not prostitutes.. Tradition is very highly regarded there.. :\

I also remember watching Memoirs of a Geisha (not basing all my knowledge on this movie, btw :P) and when the Geisha had sex with someone she was severely punished by her tutors, wasn't she?

Of course, they were not prostitutes. This does not mean they had never had sexual relationship with their clients. What would happen if a man and a woman are in the same room is beyond the scope of laws and government rules  ;)

Barbie~~

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There is a famous story in which a gisaeng refused to serve her client, a government official.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunhyangjeon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunhyangjeon)

Based on this novel, we can guess that gisaeng could refuse it, but I am not quite sure what would be punishment for that.

Barbie~~

It makes me sad... to see basic feminist ideals discarded by the trans community [I'm not necessarily saying anyone on this thread is guilty of it]... but the idea that a woman should be pressured to look ANY particular way...  is so disheartening.

Other people are not here to decorate your world.

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 16, 2010, 03:33:56 PM
Why would I hate it?  ???

Because you seem to hate girly stuff XD Well what do you think of the way of the Geisha?

Other people are not here to decorate your world.

Sure they are, as you are decorating their world at the same time.  That's not to say they are impersonal objects, but it is saying that to some degree you have a responsibility to be there, to see what's there, and to provide some entertainment too.

Once upon a time, durring the interstate crime spree that we called Dead Summer Tour, we all piled out of the van in some little cafe/gas station in some tiny Nebraska town.  Oh god were our freak flags flying, all long hair, hippie clothes, tie-dye, the entire nine yards.  And people were staring.  Someone took out a camera and took a picture of us.  We were the entertainment for that moment.  When one of our crew pointed out to me that we were the center of attention all I could think to say was:

Sometimes you're going to the show, sometimes you're at the show, and sometimes you are the show.  At least be entertaining.

Quote from: tekla on May 16, 2010, 10:23:14 PM
Sometimes you're going to the show, sometimes you're at the show, and sometimes you are the show.  At least be entertaining.

Regarding people's orientation to the external world, I think there are two types: 1) voyeurism, and 2) exhibitionism. Of course, I am the latter. People of voyeurism tend not to take care of their appearance, but very keen on fashion and beauty of their target or ideal people. People of exhibitionism are also very interested in fashion and beauty of their competitors. I guess more women are of exhibitionism whereas men tend to be of voyeurism, but there are many exceptions. Male body builders tend to be of exhibitionism. Women tend to be restrain their desire to exhibit. Certainly, m2f crossdressers are in an extreme state of exhibitionism whereas trany admirers tend to be of voyeurism. It's a kind of yin and yang.

Barbie~~

Not sure if this has been covered or not.

I like to (try) and look nice because I like how it makes me feel. I'm not into a look good competition or act as anyone's entertainment, even taking into account Kat's post. OK lots of guys seem really ok looking like (& smelling) that haven't had a wash for a week. Many guys don't like that as well.
I do remember seeing a couple at a Christmas do. She was wearing a really cute dress. nice heels and nicely made up and looked gorgeous. He was wearing T-short, jeans and stubble, and looked daggy. They seemed to be really happy together. I think they probably loved each other and how they looked was part of their pleasure in being a couple.

Cindy