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I wrote on another site that I read that some trans womens hips rotate forward on hrt and everybody but one person said it was false.Has anyone here had it happen and how did it feel.

tori the best i think that can happen is your center of gravity changing do to increase in breast tissue growth. this might cause a slight hip rotation but id have to remain guarded on that oppinion because i think the center of gravity change would be minimal at best jmo though maybe others will chime in on this
jessica

Just like everything else during transition it depends on your age, genetics, etc.

When I was pretending to be a man, I tended to walk with my chest and shoulders forward.  Now that I don't have to pretend anymore, I tend to walk with my lower pelvis forward and a slight curve to my back.  I'm not sure if this is what you mean by hip rotation.

For me it was more of a relaxation into my natural style.  I don't have enough breast tissue to weigh anything, but I do feel like my center of gravity is lower than it used to be.

- Kate

A woman on another site said that her hips made it uncomfortable to slouch like she used as a man.She said her hips rotated and I read on another site that this does happen.

Could someone explain what hip rotation means. The only strange experience I have had to do with my hips is that one day I found myself walking differently as though my hips were in more of a rotation, purely unintentional and just happened from that day and now I find myself walking that way ever since. Really strange.

Stardust

Lol what axis of rotation are we talking about? XD I didn't know that HRT causes a change in posture, though I dont mind the added help in feminising my walk ;D

There's no doubt it changed my posture, ligaments, joints etc...I couldn't walk the same way I used to if I tried. There's still sometimes a pain just below my hips when I walk that feels like my legs are trying to change their position and angle, but not as bad as it used to be.

hip rotation is in regards to the way a natal females pelvis bones sit vs the natal male.  females have a slight tilt to their pelvis that occures around the time they are going threw puberty. the tilt causes the upper leg bones to adjust causing the nock kneed look you see in some females. this of course has a dramatic effect on your posture so ya i guess if it occured in the one mtf the op is refering to it might make it uncomfortable to sit the way he use to. i guess the best way to demonstrate it is in the way a female crosses her legs in males or at least for me and several others i know it is more comfortable to sit with the ankle resting on the leg as opposed to completely crossed as most females do. It remains so even after genitals have attrophied as to not be "in the way" although it is getting easier to sit with my legs fully crossed.
jmo
jessica

Quote from: jesse on May 19, 2010, 01:55:11 AM
hip rotation is in regards to the way a natal females pelvis bones sit vs the natal male.  females have a slight tilt to their pelvis that occures around the time they are going threw puberty. the tilt causes the upper leg bones to adjust causing the nock kneed look you see in some females. this of course has a dramatic effect on your posture so ya i guess if it occured in the one mtf the op is refering to it might make it uncomfortable to sit the way he use to. i guess the best way to demonstrate it is in the way a female crosses her legs in males or at least for me and several others i know it is more comfortable to sit with the ankle resting on the leg as opposed to completely crossed as most females do. It remains so even after genitals have attrophied as to not be "in the way" although it is getting easier to sit with my legs fully crossed.
jmo
jessica

Reeeeeally? This is most intruiging! ;D I always thought that HRT couldn't ever alter bone structure at all! This is good news, regardless.

well add to the fact ive lost 2 inches in hight and my friggin feet have shrunk im not entirely sure hrt dosnt alter bone structure ymmv as with anything that happens with hrt.
jessica

Quote from: jesse on May 19, 2010, 01:55:11 AM
hip rotation is in regards to the way a natal females pelvis bones sit vs the natal male.  females have a slight tilt to their pelvis that occures around the time they are going threw puberty. the tilt causes the upper leg bones to adjust causing the nock kneed look you see in some females. this of course has a dramatic effect on your posture so ya i guess if it occured in the one mtf the op is refering to it might make it uncomfortable to sit the way he use to. i guess the best way to demonstrate it is in the way a female crosses her legs in males or at least for me and several others i know it is more comfortable to sit with the ankle resting on the leg as opposed to completely crossed as most females do. It remains so even after genitals have attrophied as to not be "in the way" although it is getting easier to sit with my legs fully crossed.
jmo
jessica

That is a fascinating observation if accurate. Look at the way I'm sitting in this photo taken from my writers website. That photo was not specially chosen, it's just the way I always sit. And yes from puberty I've always been slightly knock kneed.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jennyday.info%2FJenny_Day._Inside_the_writers_mind.%2FHome_files%2Fshapeimage_3.png&hash=62066941290c9329c11c3d2f5748e9b0cde0cd6e)
I hadn't ever thought about it before but I absolutely always cross my legs at the knees - and when I'm doing it in polite company I keep the angle of the leg down so that that my feet are both closer to the floor, although in that photo I'm doing it a bit less elegantly than normal because I'm concentrating on providing a stable platform for my laptop.

I've always sat like that too. It can cause blood vessels to become visible near the skin in the area where your upper calf rests against the other knee, probably from sitting long periods of time with the circulation restricted in that one spot. I've also lost 2 full inches in height in the last 14.5 months, as documented by my doctor (from 5'11 to 5'9). I take a calcium supplement every day and I don't think my bones have shrunk any, but they have definitely shifted positions. My normal gait is quite different than it used to be, and I've also noticed my legs and feet turn slightly inward now when I walk.

Quote from: jesse on May 19, 2010, 05:19:58 AM
well add to the fact ive lost 2 inches in hight and my friggin feet have shrunk im not entirely sure hrt dosnt alter bone structure ymmv as with anything that happens with hrt.
jessica

Lol, I'm 5'3 irl pre-HRT, so if I shrink any because of HRT then I'd probably disappear! XD

Quote from: FairyGirl on May 19, 2010, 06:02:55 AM
My normal gait is quite different than it used to be, and I've also noticed my legs and feet turn slightly inward now when I walk.

I've noticed that my toes point more forward when I walk and often catch myself standing with my toes straight forward or even toward each other slightly.  I never used to do that.

- Kate

That's how I've always sat as well. The other thing i do that really freaks people out (especially men) is sit on the floor with my legs positioned so that they are flat on the floor and my feet are near my bum. In fact I don't know that many GG's that can sit like that. I can't sit crossed legged on the floor like you do in primary school...it's just too uncomfortable.

I can't sit on the floor. Well I can but getting back up is a whole nother story.

Jess, how tall are you now and  how much have your feet shrunk?

After being on HRT for about 18 mths i started getting pain in my hips and asked my GYN about it he told me it was normal,it was just my hips realigning and shifting toward a female figure. My walk changed to more feminine walk and i stand like a woman with out even thinking about it.Look at a woman they always have one foot slightly in front of the other. :o

Quote from: ƃuıxǝʌ on May 19, 2010, 04:00:57 PM
You're correct; HRT cannot alter bone structure. After puberty ends, the epiphyseal plates fuse and growth can no longer occur.
Some compression may occur from high intensity sports and some compression will occur over time (i.e. from getting old), but HRT itself does nothing to bone structure.
HRT does alter fat and muscle however. It's possible that HRT may have some effect on connective tissues too, which may give the illusion of bone changes - but I haven't seen any real evidence of this.

You're correct that I'm correct ;D Lol did you shrink from HRT at all? I wonder if you lose weight from HRT..

My comment about hips came from my GYN who is a whole more knowledgeable than i,and at any given time has anywhere from 15 to 25 TG's under his care at any time,sooooooo i would take his word over most others especially somebody on a thread!!!
I have had pain in my hips for quite a while on and off but as to if they moved or not ? it would be hard to tell as i have gained quite a bit of fat in that area.That being said i was the last person anybody would have guessed was TG i was body builder mans man and i now stand like a woman and walk like a woman.I did nothing to change that it happened about the time my hips started hurting.I have been told many times that you can never tell what the human body can do!!!

Quote from: Bam on May 20, 2010, 11:35:21 AM
My comment about hips came from my GYN who is a whole more knowledgeable than i,and at any given time has anywhere from 15 to 25 TG's under his care at any time,sooooooo i would take his word over most others especially somebody on a thread!!!
I have had pain in my hips for quite a while on and off but as to if they moved or not ? it would be hard to tell as i have gained quite a bit of fat in that area.That being said i was the last person anybody would have guessed was TG i was body builder mans man and i now stand like a woman and walk like a woman.I did nothing to change that it happened about the time my hips started hurting.I have been told many times that you can never tell what the human body can do!!!

Did you lose any height?I hope I have the same luck.

About half an inch,but boy the body composition is sure changing a lot,i think most of it is on my thighs and my hips!!

Quote from: Bam on May 20, 2010, 12:58:38 PM
About half an inch,but boy the body composition is sure changing a lot,i think most of it is on my thighs and my hips!!

Your so lucky I can't wait to start.

i have loss 2 inches in hight and my shoe size has gone from size 10.5 us to 8 now so while i generally agree that once bone structure has fused there is little hrt can do change that. im not convinced that it dosnt affect bone structure in some way. Since endocrinology is a complex science and even the doctors will tell you they are not 100 percent sure of what the hormones control within the body the fact remains that ive loss height and shoe sizes if thats do to ligament shrinkage it would still be caused by hrt and it still altered my bone structure even if the actual bone density and shape didnt change the size still did so your accessment that it dose nothing to bone shape is incorrect it certainly did mine and a few others that have reported.
jessica

Jesse, on the foot shrinkage it may be a sort of psychological thing. As a teenager I used to wear size 9 or 10 shoes...I now where size 7 (ocasionally 6 but it depends on fit) I think all that happened was that I stopped stopped trying to mask an aspect of my body that either consciously or sub-consciously I thought made me less manly.

It's just a thought, though you could well be right...I'd find it funny if i dropped another couple of shoe sizes again. hehe

 

hmm nope not phycological i were police boots which are fairly expensive and i have had to reduce the size of them twice now to keep my feet from sliding in them when i run. 2 inches is a big diff and very noticeable and at 150.00 a pair i wouldnt be replacing them if it wasnt necessary. i have no explanation for the shoe size decrease. other then possible bone loss or ligament shortening and though im not linking it directly to HRT i am saying that it started about 4 months into hrt and so far has not stopped. And if hrt is indirectly responcible for it then the statement HRT dosnt affect bone structure is incorrect. As i stated from the beginning i have read the lituture that says it will not afect bone structure im just not entirely convinced that that is an absolute fact. Also the thread is about pelvis rotation and if ligments are affected and the pelvis tilts forward then hrt again afected bonestructure by afecting the tissues and ligments secure them in the correct biological position so again the statement hrt dosnt afect bone structure would be incorrect. this is my oppinion on this based on personal and what other people have said occured to them
jessica

HRT can cause significant changes in bone densitometry, that is one of the reasons that the medics want to supervise HRT because there is a real risk of osteoporosis.

Not sure about the rotation stuff. Then again E does have an affect on ligament strength, and muscle bulk (both the AA & E) .

I think in Jesse's case, her feet have got smaller because she has been kicking ass :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Cindy

then i must have broke it off in someones lol
jessica

I'm with you Jessie,i have been on this earth for a long time and you never can say never happen,about the time you do something will pop up show you different!!! I have been on injecting depo with oral progesterone for a little over 3 years and was on oral estrogen before that and the changes really started coming once i went on the shots and are still ongoing,GYN said for at least another 2-3 years. Most of the ladies i know say i have a better swish than they do and that came naturally about a year ago!!!

Quote from: Helena on May 22, 2010, 03:29:43 AM
Jesse, on the foot shrinkage it may be a sort of psychological thing. As a teenager I used to wear size 9 or 10 shoes...I now where size 7 (ocasionally 6 but it depends on fit) I think all that happened was that I stopped stopped trying to mask an aspect of my body that either consciously or sub-consciously I thought made me less manly.

This definitely happened to me -- I was wearing size 11 mens before, so you can imagine my surprise (and gratitude!) when I found out I wear size 10 womens!  If HRT shrinks my feet that would be killer, but size 10 is okay by me :).