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I have been reading lots of topics on here and in the Wiki about how breast size and shape differs depending on your age when starting on Hrt.
For instance if one were to start whilst in thier teens to early twenties there is a good chance the person will have a naturel looking breast.
But the older one becomes the breast may not devolp to full shape looking like a GG breast.

My question is then if this so then how many here will have implants so that they have a more naturel looking breast ?

The reason I ask is, it is another op I have to consider if I want to pass in public in the summer.  :)

I began HRT at age 61, and my breast shape was natural but 'perky' for my age.

I did have breast augmentaion after SRS for size.  Now 69, I'm still 'perky.'

Robyn

I have found all the info about age and genetics to be completely anecdotal and inconsistent.  According to everything I've read, my breasts shouldn't be the size they are. :P

Melissa

Hi Melissa, I know its off topic but is your cat a Devon blue ?

I know that we all differ in body shape and that will be reflected in the shape of bodies whilst on Hrt.
there is no one shape and because of this that make us all unique.

Its nice to hear and see you both once again.

Like everything else, its different for everyone.  If you don't like your breasts male, female, whatever do something to change how you feel about them.

Just like women, breasts come in all different shapes and sizes.  However, the data I can find suggests waiting four years, TS or not, from their first signs of growth until you can safely assume they've stopped growing.

Quote from: lolli on November 20, 2006, 02:43:48 PM
Hi Melissa, I know its off topic but is your cat a Devon blue ?

He's a Russian Blue. :)

Melissa

Quote from: lolli on November 20, 2006, 12:35:07 PM
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My question is then if this so then how many here will have implants so that they have a more naturel looking breast ?

The reason I ask is, it is another op I have to consider if I want to pass in public in the summer.  :)

Lolli, don't fall into the trap that "I must have perfect breasts to be a woman".  Breasts have nothing to do with being a woman as women come in all shapes and sizes.  Some are "A" Cups all the way up to "DD" Cups and larger.  Personally I don't think you should consider having breast augmentation in order to "pass", it is not needed.  Your money would be better spent elsewhere at this point in time.  Give HRT time to work.  Typically you can expect to start experiencing changes to breast tissue anywhere between one to three months, and then as many experience, your breasts will develop/grow in spurts.  For example in your first year of HRT your breasts may develop to an "A" cup and seem to stop growing from anywhere from 6 to 12 months, and then start to develop/grow again.

If you intend to get breast augmentation to improve your physical shape (many women do and there's nothing wrong with that) then be sure that your breasts have stopped growing as augmenting an "A" cup breast to a "B" cup can cause you problems in the future should your breasts start another growth spurt.

Just my thoughts.

Steph

I started HRT at 53-1/2, then quit (family crisis) then began again a few months after my 54th birthday.  I have a friend who is 20 years my junior who is jealous of my development.  At least she was before she had BA.  ::)

Julie

I don't think I'll be getting augmentation. Implants don't look quite real; so I'm told they don't feel quite real; it's one more thing to recuperate from - and then there's numbness (eek!!!) to deal with. Now it'd be great if I can grow a decent amount on my own (between spurts right now... c'mon already, gah! :P ) and genetics would predict that I will, but from the posts here in this thread I guess it isn't necessarily so.
Posted on: 2006-November-20, 08:29:05 PM

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Quote from: Melissa on November 20, 2006, 03:49:52 PM

Quote from: lolli on November 20, 2006, 02:43:48 PM
Hi Melissa, I know its off topic but is your cat a Devon blue ?

He's a Russian Blue. :)

He reminds me of my Punky (except my cat is a long hair). :D

Quote from: Tinkerbell on November 20, 2006, 11:05:42 PM
Breast size on HRT =  DD cup....lol...yeah right!  I wish! ;)...

Me too but I was referring to Natal Women :)

Steph

I think your all right.
I wont be doing the silicone route but I needed first had expierence from others like Tink about the pitfalls.
Steph I will wait and see time wise as to what happens.
I think a D cup is an realistic size to hope for and I dont think I want anything lager than a C at most.

Quote from: lolli on November 21, 2006, 05:38:33 AM
I think your all right.
I wont be doing the silicone route but I needed first had expierence from others like Tink about the pitfalls.
Steph I will wait and see time wise as to what happens.
I think a D cup is an realistic size to hope for and I dont think I want anything lager than a C at most.

There are resources out there to give you some idea of an average cup size based on bra size. The last thing you want, for just about any reason you can imagine, is to be "top heavy".

I dont need any more added weight in front of me to cause me to go over the bars as it is.
I can do that easily enough as it is  :)

Back when I was an A cup (around 5 months HRT), my breasts passed just fine, so you really don't need a whole lot there to get by.

Melissa

Hello Lolli,
Also keep in mind that it takes years for a female's breasts to develop (it took about 6 years for mine to fully develop), so what you have after a year of HRT, may not be what you will end up with.
You may want to wait several years to see what 'develops' before considering implants.

I went to B in just 5 months, stopped HRT because the reason for taking Premarin was solved...and I have just this past week re-started with Progynova. The B's never diminished or lost their perk in the intervening years since 1986 until now.

Immediately...in two days, my body and urine odor changed but I am not feeling any enhanced breast soreness (that means growth).

This time I am also on Casodex....let's see how things go.

Funny...my doctor (endo) in the VA told me that it would be a good idea for my BPH and osteoporosis..and recommended dosage and type..although they could NOT provide me with the cross-gendered treatment until my BPH turns cancerous.

Prostrate cancer killed my dad, his brother (my real dad) and his father. My daughter has had breast cancer, my mom died of liver cancer and I obviously need close watching for cancer too. The estrogen is gonna help for most of those conditions; Casodex for others.

I get liver panels every infusion treatment..not the typical chemo..but a test delivery of Fosomax via IV. That happens every 30 days...so I will know pretty quick if I get my liver into distress.

The infusion is really bad...it hurts like all hell and burns for hours...so they are watching very carefully.

Don't get old...or have a history of riding motorcycles.

i'm a small c  cup. no implants.

To Jodie,

I am very sorry for your predicament.  I went through a year of fear because I am only 26 and at the time 23 and I was diagnosed with BPH.  After 5 different specialists from 3 major hospitals in the north east I was safely cleared of any cancer.  Mine is actually caused by a birth defect and a malformed prostate.  I actually went through a phase of suicidal behavior was a very dark time.  To have problems with the part of my body I never wanted was an ultimate slap in the face, or atleast then thats how I thought of it.  I know now that the prostate is a valuable part of SRS and I now cross my fingers hoping its healthy enough to survive the procedure.  I also hope that it doesn't prevent me from being allowed to have SRS.  Its a long road ahead for me though. 

As for Breast size, I'm only 2 months in on full blown HRT and I went from a Nearly A to about an A cup.  Things are at their sorest point now since starting so I'm guessin I am about to find out how lucky I am genetically(mother and sister were d's before pregnancies).  I don't care what my breasts look like I just want to be rid of body hair and everything else maleness.  I guess I'm more hating man than loving woman I think. 

Kat

age is simply just a factor or "chance".... for example if you have fully gone through puberty when your 17 and someone whose 22 hasn't gone through puberty fully- I'd say the 22 yr old has a better shot.

Health and diet has a effect believe it or not. Take care of yourself

Trading prostate size for breast size is one of the best things that have ever happened to me. And I'm not even on HRT, just finasteride. I've only been taking the pills since November, but I can tell the difference. Though, for perspective, I went to the cardiologist last week. He had me take my shirt off and said nothing--a simultaneous frustration and relief. Then, listening to my heart with his stethascope, he brushed a nipple, and I had to restrain myself from saying: "That feels good, do it again."

My face and rear end may be changing, too, but I'm not sure yet. I like the idea that my own estrogen is causing these changes, and I feel no pain or soreness. The latter means, I suppose, that true HRT is more effective. The good news is that the doctor said I'm healthy, so there may yet be time left for changes.

Reading the words of others who'd qualify to join the AARP, bouys my spirits considerably.

Hoping we all get breasts the size and shape we want,
Simone

QuoteTrading prostate size for breast size is one of the best things that have ever happened to me. And I'm not even on HRT, just finasteride

Hopefully, the same will happen to me.  I just had an ultrasound yesterday, for an enlarged prostate.  My next appointment with my doctor is next week.  We've already discussed medication.

Everyone posting here has a different knowledge base so I wanted to put out a website for ladies to check out and get some updated info. Many women believe that a cup size is the same on every bra, as an example a 32B cupsize is the same as a 34B when in fact they are different. When someone says they are a 38A, they have double the cup volume of a 32A. So just mentioning letters and growth numbers can be misleading. Obviously in your band size, growing from a A to D is still growing but it isn't a direct comparison to other band sizes.

My speedy growth due to gynecomastia caused me to deal with the much more than I ever imagined an am now at 40G before HRT begins. Some may think its top heavy but hey, its just me! Here is a website that I found very helpful in understanding sizing as it converts it to a volume figure;
http://www.upliftstl.com/blog/d-is-not-a-bra-size

QuoteMany women believe that a cup size is the same on every bra, as an example a 32B cupsize is the same as a 34B when in fact they are different. When someone says they are a 38A, they have double the cup volume of a 32A.

I am aware of that and I am already a 38A.  However, that doesn't stop me from wanting more.  :)

I posted a link, in another thread, that shows what I'd like.  It the picture in the top right.  I'd like something like that or perhaps a bit bigger.  The other picture is a bit more than I'd want though.

Here's that link again:
http://www.007b.com/bra-men.php

BTW, I love your nails.  I occasionally wear a similar shade.

It only goes up to 50...wow, I'd need some big ones to be proportionate.


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BTW, I love your nails.  I occasionally wear a similar shade.

Unfortunately those are my dream nails. I didn't think nails were a thing for me until I saw a picture of something similar and went weak in the knees.  ;D  I haven't gotten to the painting part yet as I am only out to my wife so far. Should start the nails this summer when I am out to the rest of the family.

The 007b site is amazing in helping ladies understand just how any hangups are attributed to breasts. I think it takes awhile to really understand the beauty culture that natal women endure their whole lives.

I've been getting colour on my nails for almost 12 years.  I go for a manicure every week and wear colour all the time.  At the moment it's "Strong Coal-ition" from OPI.

Quote from: lolli on November 20, 2006, 12:35:07 PM
I have been reading lots of topics on here and in the Wiki about how breast size and shape differs depending on your age when starting on Hrt.
For instance if one were to start whilst in thier teens to early twenties there is a good chance the person will have a naturel looking breast.
But the older one becomes the breast may not devolp to full shape looking like a GG breast.

As long as you take good quality estradiol (IM E) and progesterone then you can get fully developed boobs of any size. The reason they 'standard' literature states trans women'boob don't develop fully or to large sizes is for this reason and especially the lack of progesterone. This is what completes breast development in women - rounding them out, especially towards the armpit, and completing areola and nipple development. These women, even in their 60, are getting D and E cups. If you're swallowing estradiol or rubbing gel over yourself then you'll be lucky to get beyond a small B.

Quote from: Simone Louise on January 27, 2008, 09:59:12 AM
Trading prostate size for breast size is one of the best things that have ever happened to me. And I'm not even on HRT, just finasteride. I've only been taking the pills since November, but I can tell the difference. Though, for perspective, I went to the cardiologist last week. He had me take my shirt off and said nothing--a simultaneous frustration and relief. Then, listening to my heart with his stethascope, he brushed a nipple, and I had to restrain myself from saying: "That feels good, do it again."

My face and rear end may be changing, too, but I'm not sure yet. I like the idea that my own estrogen is causing these changes, and I feel no pain or soreness. The latter means, I suppose, that true HRT is more effective. The good news is that the doctor said I'm healthy, so there may yet be time left for changes.

Reading the words of others who'd qualify to join the AARP, bouys my spirits considerably.

Hoping we all get breasts the size and shape we want,
Simone

My experience is that butt size and thigh size changed pretty quickly. I'm a solid A cup and I love them, but want more. I most likely will get enhancement surgery at some point, since I will want nothing less than a C cup and it seems I have my mom's genes for boobs .. small. But, I love the quick increases in the other areas. :)

I have had gynecomastia most of m life. So I have a 'handful' to start with. Now that I am on HRT, I do wonder how far it will go. I have mixed feelings about it because I want them to still be concealed until my face and body catch up. I my have to get some tips from F to M's on binding. That is an irony.

GrayKat -

Interestingly, I have had a similar take on that. I have had "boobs" since about 5th grade. All through my life they were a constant worry to hide but really not entirely possible. A real source of anxiety to the point of considering liposuction in spite of having the transgender feelings, leanings and thoughts my whole life. But I became a professional at loose tops and arms folded in front. But it's kind of futile. The worst was stiff nipples in a t-shirt when I got excited about something...eek. I've had guys check them out unconsciously (no no no no!). Kids overtly making fun of them.

Well after 3 1/2 months on HRT I am finally at peace with the girls. They are developing inside the old boobs (nicely sore - the sweetest pain ever). They aren't outwardly measuring larger yet ('cause believe you me I've measured them a million times). I figured out that having lived my adult life as a guy with boobs that I was never actually fooling anyone by hiding them. Everyone close to me is used to seeing them. I guess I knew that. I just decided to not be embarrassed anymore. I'm slowly transitioning. I'm not out yet to the world, nor will I be in one big fell swoop. I don't wear a bra - if they're sensitive, I'll wear a cami.

Bottom line is I think it's actually an advantage to have had gyno. Maybe my boobs will get bigger but nobody that knows me will notice because they always saw my boobs anyway. And when the time comes to finally emerge, the girls were there with me the whole time. Just my take on it.

L

My breast size grew to 36D in 2 years HRT, don't need any bigger.

QuoteBottom line is I think it's actually an advantage to have had gyno.

I also have a bit of gyno, though I'm not sure if it's due to age or due to some medication I'm taking.  However, I expect my doctor will be prescribing some medication for enlarged prostate next week and that medication can also cause gyno.  One can only hope.

I was on finasteride for several years for BPH, and it definitely gave me a running start, at about a 38A.  With weight loss and HRT I hit a 34B at about 6 months in, and that is starting to feel a little snug now as the girls fill out.

QuoteI was on finasteride for several years for BPH, and it definitely gave me a running start, at about a 38A

That's where I'm starting from.  I earlier posted a link that showed a guy who was 38C after medication.  That's what I'm aiming for, or perhaps a bit bigger.  I'll also have to go with a larger bra as mine is nicely filled right now.

Quote from: laurenb on March 25, 2017, 08:39:45 AM
GrayKat -

Interestingly, I have had a similar take on that. I have had "boobs" since about 5th grade. All through my life they were a constant worry to hide but really not entirely possible. A real source of anxiety to the point of considering liposuction in spite of having the transgender feelings, leanings and thoughts my whole life. But I became a professional at loose tops and arms folded in front. But it's kind of futile. The worst was stiff nipples in a t-shirt when I got excited about something...eek. I've had guys check them out unconsciously (no no no no!). Kids overtly making fun of them.

Well after 3 1/2 months on HRT I am finally at peace with the girls. They are developing inside the old boobs (nicely sore - the sweetest pain ever). They aren't outwardly measuring larger yet ('cause believe you me I've measured them a million times). I figured out that having lived my adult life as a guy with boobs that I was never actually fooling anyone by hiding them. Everyone close to me is used to seeing them. I guess I knew that. I just decided to not be embarrassed anymore. I'm slowly transitioning. I'm not out yet to the world, nor will I be in one big fell swoop. I don't wear a bra - if they're sensitive, I'll wear a cami.

Bottom line is I think it's actually an advantage to have had gyno. Maybe my boobs will get bigger but nobody that knows me will notice because they always saw my boobs anyway. And when the time comes to finally emerge, the girls were there with me the whole time. Just my take on it.

L

I have been lucky enough I have been able to hide in loose shirts. The only time I could not was in high school where I was forced to undress in the locker room. So I became a pro at undressing with my back turned.

Well, I just got back from the doctor and was prescribed Avodart.  A search on the Internet shows that breast enlargement is one of the side effects (advantages?  <g>).  Here's hoping! :)

Quote from: AnneK on March 28, 2017, 09:37:07 AM
Well, I just got back from the doctor and was prescribed Avodart.  A search on the Internet shows that breast enlargement is one of the side effects (advantages?  <g>).  Here's hoping! :)

Best wishes!

IMO boobs are very important. The bigger my boobs become naturally, (chemical) the more I feel at home with who I am. Part of me does not want to be impatient and not see how big they can get, but part of me wants results now. I love my little A+ cup boobies, but want more.  Not sure if I should wait and see what happens or start to schedule surgery. It's a big decision. Seems everyday I wake up I'm measuring them. As I noted elsewhere, I did get some extra growth recently I was not expecting. But, it seems boob size for me is relational to how I feel as a female. Not sure that is "normal" ... but, my goodness, my boobs make me smile every day, and the bigger they get, the more I smile. Again, I don't know if that is normal, it's just how I feel. I'm not 100 percent out, but, I feel 100 percent comfortable with my boobs in public. Because what I have now is mine naturally -- what my body will give me ... I'm just, I love them, anyone else, they are mine, I grew them, get over it. On the other hand, getting surgery and moving up to a c-cup or better .. it's what I want, but for now I feel comfortable with what I have. My attitude to others is deal with it, this is what my body produced naturally. So, I'm rambling ... sorry. But, it seems to me right now I have no problem displaying my chemically awakened boobs and grow what my genetics will allow. I'm proud of them. Not sure how I will feel if I get surgery, because those boobs will not be mine, but just a desire filled for more.

Noting this for a topic for my therapist ...  :-\

Well, I've taken one pill so far, but my A's haven't turned into C's yet.  I wonder what's taking so long!   :laugh:

I just came across a study report on breast growth on Avodart and found this about age:

"60+: 95.36 %"

I guess that makes it a pretty sure thing for me.

http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/avodart/breast%20enlargement/ (http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/avodart/breast%20enlargement/)

I think one of us is misreading that study...

I guess that was wishful thinking kicking in.    :(