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Title: Will Warren Beatty every accept his girl becoming a boy?
Post by: Shana A on July 08, 2010, 08:30:30 AM
Post by: Shana A on July 08, 2010, 08:30:30 AM
Will Warren Beatty every accept his girl becoming a boy?
By Alison Boshoff and Julie Moult In Los Angeles
Last updated at 9:02 AM on 8th July 2010
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1292924/Will-Warren-Beatty-accept-girl-boy.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1292924/Will-Warren-Beatty-accept-girl-boy.html)
Kathlyn Beatty made her public debut at the age of only ten weeks.
As a baby, a tiny dark-haired bundle, she appeared at the Golden Globe awards in 1991.
Her mother, the actress Annette Bening, brought her along to see her doting father, Warren Beatty, who had been named Best Actor for his role in the film Bugsy.
It was a high point for Beatty, who even then was 54. After decades as probably the most infamous and prolific seducer in Hollywood, here he was, a family
By Alison Boshoff and Julie Moult In Los Angeles
Last updated at 9:02 AM on 8th July 2010
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1292924/Will-Warren-Beatty-accept-girl-boy.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1292924/Will-Warren-Beatty-accept-girl-boy.html)
Kathlyn Beatty made her public debut at the age of only ten weeks.
As a baby, a tiny dark-haired bundle, she appeared at the Golden Globe awards in 1991.
Her mother, the actress Annette Bening, brought her along to see her doting father, Warren Beatty, who had been named Best Actor for his role in the film Bugsy.
It was a high point for Beatty, who even then was 54. After decades as probably the most infamous and prolific seducer in Hollywood, here he was, a family
Title: Re: Will Warren Beatty every accept his girl becoming a boy?
Post by: cynthialee on July 08, 2010, 10:08:49 AM
Post by: cynthialee on July 08, 2010, 10:08:49 AM
The writer of the article needs to read the AP guidlines concerning the use of pronouns with the trans population.
Reading it was like running my fingers down a chalkboard....
Reading it was like running my fingers down a chalkboard....
Title: Re: Will Warren Beatty every accept his girl becoming a boy?
Post by: Shana A on July 08, 2010, 11:50:15 AM
Post by: Shana A on July 08, 2010, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: cynthialee on July 08, 2010, 10:08:49 AM
The writer of the article needs to read the AP guidlines concerning the use of pronouns with the trans population.
Yes, that writer gets an F regarding AP guidelines!
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Title: Re: Will Warren Beatty every accept his girl becoming a boy?
Post by: Arch on July 08, 2010, 12:17:25 PM
Post by: Arch on July 08, 2010, 12:17:25 PM
Hi, Cynthialee. I'm not sure, but I don't think UK newspapers use AP; I think they use BBC. Not that I know the BBC guidelines! But the last time I looked, the AP was asking writers to base pronouns on the subject's public persona. So when a person is presenting as female (before coming out, for example), then the birth pronoun is used.
There is one very clear mistake in which "she" is wearing a blue mortarboard; perhaps the copyeditor got confused. Other than that, I find it hard to tell whether the intermittent use of "she" is consistent with AP guidelines. I understand why, for PR and educational purposes, the article opens with "she" and then eases readers into "he" later. I understand why "she" is used to refer to Stephen when he was clearly living as a girl. I even forgive the reference to him as "she" in the last line because that sentence presents his father's perspective; the meaning would have been completely changed if the author had used the male pronoun.
Other uses of "she" are ambiguous because I wasn't always sure whether Stephen was presenting as female at the time in question. I presume that the reporter knew, but perhaps not. I don't know how much of a public presence Stephen had at that time or how he was presenting publicly.
I myself prefer male pronouns throughout the life chronology, but I can only claim that for myself. And I claim it because I was always male, no matter how other people saw me and no matter how hard I tried to fit in during certain phases of my life. AP guidelines don't recognize such positions, and a lot of individuals don't agree with them, either.
I concur that the article is a messy pronoun nightmare. But I'm not sure it could be improved all that much and still do the job within AP guidelines. I would be interesting in your input, though. It's a tough problem, I sure as heck don't have all the answers.
There is one very clear mistake in which "she" is wearing a blue mortarboard; perhaps the copyeditor got confused. Other than that, I find it hard to tell whether the intermittent use of "she" is consistent with AP guidelines. I understand why, for PR and educational purposes, the article opens with "she" and then eases readers into "he" later. I understand why "she" is used to refer to Stephen when he was clearly living as a girl. I even forgive the reference to him as "she" in the last line because that sentence presents his father's perspective; the meaning would have been completely changed if the author had used the male pronoun.
Other uses of "she" are ambiguous because I wasn't always sure whether Stephen was presenting as female at the time in question. I presume that the reporter knew, but perhaps not. I don't know how much of a public presence Stephen had at that time or how he was presenting publicly.
I myself prefer male pronouns throughout the life chronology, but I can only claim that for myself. And I claim it because I was always male, no matter how other people saw me and no matter how hard I tried to fit in during certain phases of my life. AP guidelines don't recognize such positions, and a lot of individuals don't agree with them, either.
I concur that the article is a messy pronoun nightmare. But I'm not sure it could be improved all that much and still do the job within AP guidelines. I would be interesting in your input, though. It's a tough problem, I sure as heck don't have all the answers.