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"Shawn the Christian explains: God creates disastrous people like the disfigured, homosexuals & hermaphrodites so they can overcome their abomination to serve God with an even brighter, more triumphant glory! It's a beautiful God we're talking about (forgiveness, grace, mercy, love) who creates you as a disaster then make you overcome it to keep from ending up in hell. Perfect sense."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3TXLPARyoQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3TXLPARyoQ#)

wow! yikes.

A beautiful God? Creates you as a "disaster" and then threatens you with Hell if you don't "overcome" it to a degree that pleases him. Yeah, lovely guy.

Quote from: Shade on July 23, 2010, 07:27:42 PM
"Shawn the Christian explains: God creates disastrous people like the disfigured, homosexuals & hermaphrodites so they can overcome their abomination to serve God with an even brighter, more triumphant glory! It's a beautiful God we're talking about (forgiveness, grace, mercy, love) who creates you as a disaster then make you overcome it to keep from ending up in hell. Perfect sense."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3TXLPARyoQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3TXLPARyoQ#)

wow! yikes.

With that reasoning basically overcoming bigots like him can also bring you closer to god heh ^_^.   Still you cant use faith as a crutch, it doesnt work since their are things in the bible that christians choose not to follow or are outdated, being one i know... I had a debate with my preacher once, he was stumped when i explained gods image as it states in the bible is body, soul, and spirit, all three make it up.  When you pass the one thing that stays behind is the body... so it is therefor not needed is just a container for soul and spirit.  So, being born intersex, or transsex or anything else is just fine to change your body, because after all.... what sex is my soul? what sex is my spirit?   Maybe living through this turmoil is my test of faith...

going through my transition brought me closer to god... not farther away...  a lot of others feel the same, the only thing that makes me shy away from it, is losers like that who read but dont understand whats written in the pages behind the words, and sometimes right in front of them.

Thats all i have to say.

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Quote from: Addison on July 23, 2010, 07:39:57 PM
A beautiful God? Creates you as a "disaster" and then threatens you with Hell if you don't "overcome" it to a degree that pleases him. Yeah, lovely guy.

Well in a way you have to be tested, it strife and chaos do you evolve and become stronger then you were.  If everyone was simply given everything they needed and not need to lift a finger for it, the species would die out unable to take of itself when the master disappeared.  This way is smarter because some people will be able to handle it some wont, in a way its natural selection on a divine level, the worthy move on to.... who knows what the plan is, maybe we are all just gods in training lol, the ones that get sent to hell are dropouts lol.

He had to ask what a "hermaphrodite" (intersex) was. After saying he hasn't "studied" it much and doesn't know much about it, yet he knows it's "really rare". How does he come to the conclusion that they shouldn't marry...notice how he completely disregards the question and goes on about gays and how people aren't really gay. She had to ask the question again and he just makes >-bleeped-< up lol.

pffff , that's really funny (stupid and pathetic funny)  , although this is one person's thoughts , i mean not all christians think like that idiotic way

Quote from: eNTROPY on July 23, 2010, 07:46:57 PM
pffff , that's really funny (stupid and pathetic funny)  , although this is one person's thoughts , i mean not all christians think like that idiotic way

You'd be surprised... >.>

Quote from: Izumi on July 23, 2010, 07:40:27 PM
Well in a way you have to be tested, it strife and chaos do you evolve and become stronger then you were.  If everyone was simply given everything they needed and not need to lift a finger for it, the species would die out unable to take of itself when the master disappeared.  This way is smarter because some people will be able to handle it some wont, in a way its natural selection on a divine level, the worthy move on to.... who knows what the plan is, maybe we are all just gods in training lol, the ones that get sent to hell are dropouts lol.

Its the constant threats of hell that aggravate me. Overcoming struggle definitely makes you stronger but people shouldn't be worrying their whole lives that they haven't overcome these struggles in the right way according to God and therefore will be sent to hell.

Quote from: Shade on July 23, 2010, 07:45:55 PM
He had to ask what a "hermaphrodite" (intersex) was. After saying he hasn't "studied" it much and doesn't know much about it, yet he knows it's "really rare". How does he come to the conclusion that they shouldn't marry...notice how he completely disregards the question and goes on about gays and how people aren't really gay. She had to ask the question again and he just makes >-bleeped-< up lol.

Well it does say in the bible that those that are born that way should not marry and devote their lives to god, it also says:

Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

As well as:

Be careful when making a roof to ensure that no one falls off the edge

apparently if someone falls off your roof, the contractor goes to hell.  Sheesh~

I thought the bible talked about Eunuchs not intersexed people. Eunuchs are just castrated men.

"Christians state that the Bible's use of the word "eunuch" refers strictly to men incapable of sexual intercourse or reproduction, through either birth defect or castration".

The word eunuch in the old testament is the Hebrew word [caric](pronounced saw-reece'), meaning to be castrated.

The people in the video aren't Christians. They're haters hiding behind religion as justification.

Quote from: Duke T on August 12, 2010, 09:29:46 AM
The people in the video aren't Christians. They're haters hiding behind religion as justification.

A the good ol' "No true Scotsman" fallacy.  ::)

No, these people are not Christians. What they are claiming has no basis in Christian teaching.

There are people who travel around college campuses making a living as "preachers" by inciting the kids to hit them and then suing them.

Quote from: spacial on August 12, 2010, 09:48:14 AM
No, these people are not Christians. What they are claiming has no basis in Christian teaching.

Okay enough Logical Fallacies.

Here is an example of how this fallacy can be used:

"Another good example is abortion, our government has such a small Christian influence that the courts have ruled it's ok to kill babies now. Typical. The people who support legalized abortion but claim to be Christians don't really follow Jesus — they have lost their way."

In an effort to argue that abortion is wrong, it is assumed that Christianity is inherently and automatifcally opposed to abortion (begging the question). In order to do this, it is further argued that no one who supports legalized abortion — for any reason — can really be a Christian (equivocation through an ad hoc redefinition of the term "Christian").

Similar arguments are made regarding a host of controversial political, social and economic questions: real Christians can't be for (or against) capital punishment, real Christians can't be for (or against) socialism, real Christians can't be for (or against) drug legalization, etc. We even see it with atheists: real atheists can't have irrational beliefs, real atheists cannot believe in anything supernatural, etc.

Atheists have heard it all. :)

The thing is, regarding the bible, you can slice it anyway you want. He interprets it to say one thing and you another. Who is to say who is right? Do you have a direct line to "god"?

Quote from: glendagladwitch on August 12, 2010, 09:51:14 AM
There are people who travel around college campuses making a living as "preachers" by inciting the kids to hit them and then suing them.

That is....an interesting approach to making money.

Quote from: Shade on August 12, 2010, 09:42:17 AM
A the good ol' "No true Scotsman" fallacy.  ::)

If it walks like a duck, bites like a hyena, and calls itself a Christian, then it is:

A)  A duck
B)  A hyena
C)  A Christian
D)  A true Scotsman
E)  None of the above

I was waiting for a moment like this... This guy is living proof that there is no God, for which supreme being would create, and admit creating an idiot like this.

Steph

Quote from: Shade on August 12, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
Okay enough Logical Fallacies.

Here is an example of how this fallacy can be used:

"Another good example is abortion, our government has such a small Christian influence that the courts have ruled it's ok to kill babies now. Typical. The people who support legalized abortion but claim to be Christians don't really follow Jesus — they have lost their way."

In an effort to argue that abortion is wrong, it is assumed that Christianity is inherently and automatifcally opposed to abortion (begging the question). In order to do this, it is further argued that no one who supports legalized abortion — for any reason — can really be a Christian (equivocation through an ad hoc redefinition of the term "Christian").

Similar arguments are made regarding a host of controversial political, social and economic questions: real Christians can't be for (or against) capital punishment, real Christians can't be for (or against) socialism, real Christians can't be for (or against) drug legalization, etc. We even see it with atheists: real atheists can't have irrational beliefs, real atheists cannot believe in anything supernatural, etc.

Atheists have heard it all. :)

The thing is, regarding the bible, you can slice it anyway you want. He interprets it to say one thing and you another. Who is to say who is right? Do you have a direct line to "god"?

Possibly, but they appear to have their knowledge of the teachings of jesus from the likes of this guy.

Those to follow the teachings of Jesus, whether for spiritual or philosophical reasons know that no-one has the right to judge others.

I really don't see any connection with abortion, frankly.

No one should marry.

Marriage has become a symbol of hatred and intolerance.

Boycott marriage today!

Neither should the wilfully stupid in case they lower the intelligence of the species! >:-)

If this Heaven that we all have to be so keen to get into is going to be full of hypocritical dumbells and the head honcho is so grumpy that he sets bears onto children!! I think that I'll take my chances with the other place.

Quote from: glendagladwitch on August 30, 2010, 08:57:26 PM
No one should marry.
Marriage has become a symbol of hatred and intolerance.
Boycott marriage today!

Marriage is a legal contract between the state and two consenting adults allowing the adults to easily weave together their fiscal and social stuff and guarantees certain rights between the two.

At least, that's what it is here.

Quote from: Miniar on August 31, 2010, 09:29:57 AM
Marriage is a legal contract between the state and two consenting adults allowing the adults to easily weave together their fiscal and social stuff and guarantees certain rights between the two.

At least, that's what it is here.

A water fountain with a "whites only" sign on it is a device for dispensing water to thirsty people, but only to thirsty white people.

Marriage is a legal contract between the state and two consenting adults, but only two straight, cisgendered consenting adults.

Such BS.

Robert E Lee would be mortally offended. This person is not a Gentleman, and would never make an honourable Officer!

Surely the real question would be 'Why would God create anyone as stupid as that guy?   >:-)Gotta go, there are a couple of angry looking bears tapping on my window. :o

Quote from: Dee_pntx on August 31, 2010, 08:20:27 PM
Mentally ill morons.  Simple.  Case closed..

Once again that statement that you quoted is an example of people talking only from a snippet of the bible and disregarding everything else.  Take for example god wanted you do be a woman, and put you in a mans body so that you could overcome it.  The statement works both ways.  In my case for example, i was not religious before I transitioned now i am.  I needed god to help me through my transition and it brought me closer to him.  If my transition was wrong, only GOD can tell me, no one else has the  right because only GOD is the final judge of your life, and everyone else is filled with sin and bias.   If you read the bible fully it basically has a simple message, believe in god, believe in yourself, be a good person, and you will be rewarded, but people are too busy picking whatever lines suit them to see the whole thing.  I once got into a biblical argument with a priest, he quoted one line after another why i couldnt be TS, i quoted one line after another saying i could its really not a battle either side could win, the key is to humble yourself and admit, i really dont know what god's thinking.. so i will leave it to god.

See when i started my transition i prayed.  I had never done that before, but for the first time in my life i felt i needed more strength then what i had at the time, i also remembered "God helps those who help themselves".  I decided to believe in that statement at the same time, I made a deal with god in a fashion, I would give the transition 100% of all i got, and he would have to do the rest, and so i did my part, and god did the rest.... i went from being a failure that only wanted death to being a total success that enjoys living everyday.  Whether you believe god did this or not doesnt matter, what matters to me is that i believe it, and you are free to do and believe in whatever you like, its not my business.

Quote from: MillieB on September 01, 2010, 02:22:21 PM
Surely the real question would be 'Why would God create anyone as stupid as that guy?   >:-)Gotta go, there are a couple of angry looking bears tapping on my window. :o

Stupid is as stupid does ^_^, that guy was just more active then most. 

Quote from: Dee_pntx on September 02, 2010, 02:37:40 PM
"god" doesn't apply in my life.  As far as I am concerned, there is no such critter.

BTW.  For the record.
I was at one time a preacher.  But I woke up.

My son is still a state licensed preacher.  Odd, how one has to have a license from the state to be a preacher.

your free to believe what you like... i believe ones relationship to god or whatever is their business.  I wont thump a bible in front of you ^_^.