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Title: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 10, 2010, 09:40:20 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 10, 2010, 09:40:20 AM
I'm talking about the word "trap", "it's a trap!". I've noticed this word and saying has been floating around certain websites and beyond and personally ... I think just like a lot of internet memes it does nothing but promote ignorance while being innocently disguised behind "humour".
I for one don't find it funny... I can see how someone that is immature and narrow-minded could. But the more I see it the more I feel the urge to tell that particular person spreading it just exactly how they are making themselves look like an ignorant cattle-like animal.
This is yet another one of those situations where biting your lip is the only way to avoid drawing attention to ones self. While letting these small minded herd like creatures continue on with their idiotic lives.
What is one really to do? Ignore it and hope the joke gets old? Or contest and educate?
I for one don't find it funny... I can see how someone that is immature and narrow-minded could. But the more I see it the more I feel the urge to tell that particular person spreading it just exactly how they are making themselves look like an ignorant cattle-like animal.
This is yet another one of those situations where biting your lip is the only way to avoid drawing attention to ones self. While letting these small minded herd like creatures continue on with their idiotic lives.
What is one really to do? Ignore it and hope the joke gets old? Or contest and educate?
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: rejennyrated on August 10, 2010, 10:08:24 AM
Post by: rejennyrated on August 10, 2010, 10:08:24 AM
??? This word obviously has a modern connotation with which I am unfamiliar... ???
To me it simply means a device set to catch something or someone. However I now have the feeling that in internet speak there is more to it than that.
Anyone care to explain for us oldies... ?
To me it simply means a device set to catch something or someone. However I now have the feeling that in internet speak there is more to it than that.
Anyone care to explain for us oldies... ?
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 10, 2010, 10:19:51 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 10, 2010, 10:19:51 AM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-a-trap (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-a-trap)
QuoteA phrase used to describe a situation where someone mistakes a man/transsexual for an attractive woman.
Guy 1: Oh Man.. I'd totally tap that!
Guy 2: Dude..That's a dude...
Guy 1: It's a trap!
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: pheonix on August 10, 2010, 10:51:36 AM
Post by: pheonix on August 10, 2010, 10:51:36 AM
Jeez this is an old meme...
this originated on 4chan a while ago. It's based off of Admiral Ackbar saying "It's a trap".
The relevancy of this meme is pretty low these days since "It's a trap" is being used far broader than transphobic comments..
this originated on 4chan a while ago. It's based off of Admiral Ackbar saying "It's a trap".
The relevancy of this meme is pretty low these days since "It's a trap" is being used far broader than transphobic comments..
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 10, 2010, 11:02:50 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 10, 2010, 11:02:50 AM
That's a good idea actually ....instead of assuming it means something in particular. Stop and ask for their understanding of what it means, and if they explain that it's in relation to TG then and only then question them on their knowledge of what they are really saying with it etc. I think I might try this ;)
I shall report back with results!!! (oh it's in relation to me seeing someone with a "trap" avatar on a non-tg website).
I shall report back with results!!! (oh it's in relation to me seeing someone with a "trap" avatar on a non-tg website).
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Sinnyo on August 10, 2010, 11:21:17 AM
Post by: Sinnyo on August 10, 2010, 11:21:17 AM
Ahhh, this rings a bell now - Stephen Fry managed to disappoint we British QI viewers when the panel discussed gender in relation to Thai "ladyboys". The suggestion there was that trans women were out to 'trap' men, but I've only ever seen this sort of talk come up amongst the typical Ibiza/football hooligan crowd.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: pebbles on August 10, 2010, 12:16:26 PM
Post by: pebbles on August 10, 2010, 12:16:26 PM
Quote from: rejennyrated on August 10, 2010, 10:08:24 AMThe idea is that a passable attractive transwoman "trap" men into effectively wishing to engage in homosexual relations Because they see us as men. regardless of how we look or perceive ourselves.
??? This word obviously has a modern connotation with which I am unfamiliar... ???
To me it simply means a device set to catch something or someone. However I now have the feeling that in internet speak there is more to it than that.
Anyone care to explain for us oldies... ?
The tendency is to show a photo of an attractive passable transwoman guys brag about how they would "hit that" and then the reveal is that she's MTF and they all go "OH NO I SAID I WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH A GUY!"
The original meme is from star wars "return of the jedi" The third one the with the space battle above the moon of endor where it appears the Empire seemingly makes a stupid mistake exposing it's new (seemingly non-functional) death star to easy destruction making it an attractive target of course the rebels send there whole fleet of ships in which the empire's fleet reveals itself and has them completely encircled preventing any escape, the death star then as a final surprise activates and starts slaughtering the rebles. Admiral Ackbar of the rebel fleet then shouts much too late "It's a trap!" when nothing really can be done.
The situation in there mind is allegorical.
Quote from: Sinnyo on August 10, 2010, 11:21:17 AMThe suggestion there was that trans women were out to 'trap' men, but I've only ever seen this sort of talk come up amongst the typical Ibiza/football hooligan crowd.I've heard this before even from some of our own friends (ie louis), They aren't serious it's just that Transsexuals are considered Less than women in the minds of even tolerant people or people to be laughed at. *shrug*
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Sarah Louise on August 10, 2010, 12:25:41 PM
Post by: Sarah Louise on August 10, 2010, 12:25:41 PM
I guess you can "read" whatever you want into a word.
I'm old, I remember when Trap, just meant, Trap something.
Sarah L.
I'm old, I remember when Trap, just meant, Trap something.
Sarah L.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Zelane on August 10, 2010, 12:27:19 PM
Post by: Zelane on August 10, 2010, 12:27:19 PM
Quoted from TV Tropes:
QuoteThe term "trap" in particular, is the #1, thermonuclear, clear-maximum-safe-radius-and-put-on-your-fallout-gear Berserk Button for many queer/transsexual people. The idea that a feminine person with a penis is innately deceptive / pathetic / hilarious / generally something to lose your ->-bleeped-<- over holds... A few... Unfortunate Implications for those of us who live it. NASTY ones. (trans panic defense)
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: FairyGirl on August 10, 2010, 01:13:59 PM
Post by: FairyGirl on August 10, 2010, 01:13:59 PM
a trap is also that little "U" shaped piece of pipe under your lavatory that catches your diamond ring (hopefully) when you drop it down the drain. :angel:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ichloe.com%2Fimages%2Ftrap.jpg&hash=ef597f1a7286c067203332fa10178a004deeca21)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ichloe.com%2Fimages%2Ftrap.jpg&hash=ef597f1a7286c067203332fa10178a004deeca21)
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Shang on August 10, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
Post by: Shang on August 10, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
I've got friends who say "trap" or "reverse trap", but it's never been said in a negative way by them from what I can tell. They do frequent 4chan, though, and that's probably where they picked it up (they've been using the term since I've known them).
When I first heard the term I had to ask what it meant and they told me and I was like "oh, ok" and didn't think much of it because I know my friends decently and they're pretty nice and open to the trans community and only say the term in a joking manner so I don't get uptight about it.
Though I still think of mouse traps or something whenever I hear the word.
When I first heard the term I had to ask what it meant and they told me and I was like "oh, ok" and didn't think much of it because I know my friends decently and they're pretty nice and open to the trans community and only say the term in a joking manner so I don't get uptight about it.
Though I still think of mouse traps or something whenever I hear the word.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Autumn on August 10, 2010, 02:17:13 PM
Post by: Autumn on August 10, 2010, 02:17:13 PM
The admiral ackbar Trap thing originates from Somethingawful, not 4chan... the internet was a funny and obnoxious place long before it ever existed.
I've made out with 3 people who had no idea. One was a guy almost twice my age after hours at a party when I was really drunk, and never returned his email. Two was a guy who is kinda crazy stalkerish and I told to get rid of him a week later, but he was just more excited. And now he's trans. (Friends tell me I gave him the T-Virus. Resident Evil joke, for you un-hip people.) The third is now my current girlfriend and I told her while we were snogging on the first date. I've been told that I've evolved from Trap to Trapper, and apparently I am the pokemon that brings all the boys and girls to the yard.
From a recent gathering of friends, on a failed food excursion:
'What D&D characters are we?"
"Autumn's the rogue.'
"Is that because I'm an expert at traps?"
"Yes."
It's self deprecating sometimes, but, haters gonna hate and all. Might as well laugh about things that don't ultimately matter. There are far more offensive 'slurs' out there. At least this one is connected to something positive... a) being found attractive b) ->-bleeped-<-ing with straight guys heads, and that never gets old.
I've made out with 3 people who had no idea. One was a guy almost twice my age after hours at a party when I was really drunk, and never returned his email. Two was a guy who is kinda crazy stalkerish and I told to get rid of him a week later, but he was just more excited. And now he's trans. (Friends tell me I gave him the T-Virus. Resident Evil joke, for you un-hip people.) The third is now my current girlfriend and I told her while we were snogging on the first date. I've been told that I've evolved from Trap to Trapper, and apparently I am the pokemon that brings all the boys and girls to the yard.
From a recent gathering of friends, on a failed food excursion:
'What D&D characters are we?"
"Autumn's the rogue.'
"Is that because I'm an expert at traps?"
"Yes."
It's self deprecating sometimes, but, haters gonna hate and all. Might as well laugh about things that don't ultimately matter. There are far more offensive 'slurs' out there. At least this one is connected to something positive... a) being found attractive b) ->-bleeped-<-ing with straight guys heads, and that never gets old.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 10, 2010, 09:23:24 PM
Post by: Muffin on August 10, 2010, 09:23:24 PM
By the sounds of it it refers only to pre-op... as the trap side of it is they thought they had a vagina but they actually had a (hidden) penis which is a turn off to them naturally. That side of it makes sense. But it's still a destructive mind virus that would be better to not exist. BUT..... whatca gunna do *sigh*.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Farm Boy on August 11, 2010, 01:30:43 AM
Post by: Farm Boy on August 11, 2010, 01:30:43 AM
I frequently say "It's a trap!" (with proper emphasis and facial expression, of course) in everyday conversations, but it's in reference to Admiral Ackbar and my undying love for Star Wars and nothing trans related. I've actually never heard that phrase in any other context before, and when I see someone using it I smile to myself. People sometimes decide I'm too big a nerd to be seen with in public, but I've never had anyone get offended. Nothing to worry about, I'd think.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 01:42:14 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 01:42:14 AM
lols..... maybe I'm not too sure.... I think if I get a reply from this person I PMed yesterday I can feel more comfortable about peoples general intentions. *shrugs*. I don't know to me it does seem a strange kind of "joke" when it's kept within the original context. :S
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: JessieMH on August 11, 2010, 01:51:55 AM
Post by: JessieMH on August 11, 2010, 01:51:55 AM
I use it all the time >.>
If you can't make fun of yourself, you shouldn't make fun of others :p
If you can't make fun of yourself, you shouldn't make fun of others :p
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 02:03:31 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 02:03:31 AM
but but between the lines they suggest that transsexuals are not in anyway a woman but men that are simply out to play with other guys heads. I for one don't feel comfortable encouraging that point of view nor find it in anyway funny :S
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Autumn on August 11, 2010, 03:41:18 AM
Post by: Autumn on August 11, 2010, 03:41:18 AM
It's pretty much the fact that suddenly a penis springs off of a hot chick. Trap sprung. It's an unusual thing (most women don't have penises; a lot of young men haven't seen pictures of women with penises, and most people do not see a woman with a penis irl) that causes shock, surprise, and strange questions and reactions (including a lot of "I'd still hit it" from certain guys on any given forum.)
I mean let's face it, if you actually simulate that in real life... get in bed with a guy, he takes your panties off, and out pops a johnson, you did trick him. All of his expectations and desire just suddenly get blasted sideways. Reality is that we're different than regular women and that we must accommodate that (as must our partners.) Post op, obviously, many women decide not to disclose to casual partners... and sometimes not to serious partners, either. All of that is a very murky bog.
Frankly, if you're in your teens/early 20s, "Yeah, uhm, I'm a trap" might be an icebreaker for the trans conversation with an internet-aware guy or girl. The more comfortable and sure you are of presenting yourself to someone, the more confidence you will inspire.
Today a male coworker of mine (father of one, adopted two sisters from a foreign country) asked if my boobs were real now because he remembered I mentioned padding (he misunderstood my pushup bra for stuffing my bra.) Later in the conversation he said that he brought it up because of one of his daughter's breasts growing in and the discomfort she causes him with either a) showing off the nipples through her clothing or b) wearing a padded bra that enhances her size considerably for her age.
Of course, since he asked about my boobs, I just started explaining the difference between pushup bras and regular bras, and how most bras have some degree of lining as a comfortably full shape makes clothes fit better, is more aesthetically pleasing, but also, that that layer of padding protects the breasts from impact injury and elaborated on how often I hurt my boobs back before I got to wear a bra at work.
And explained that my boobs are up to a B, but I wear a C because I have a broad chest and need the wider cup to accommodate the width of my boobs, and that I need a new pushup bra so I fill the cup (which I don't with my non pushup C.) I didn't get the chance to talk about how I'm too big for my B sports bra, and how underwire can actually be more comfortable if you can't get a soft bra to hold them in place.
He took it all in stride. I was trying to make him uncomfortable, but he rolled with it - he's got 3 daughters after all. And maybe I educated him about boobs, 'cause they certainly won't :p
A lot of people here would probably be really offended... perhaps I'm just used to fielding a lot of questions from my coworkers / extended family as they sort of feel like, but ->-bleeped-<-, I'd rather flat out talk about something like that rather than have someone going "pssspspspsp think her's are real? do they really grow boobs?"
I'm never doing this ->-bleeped-<- again at another job, but then I won't have to... I'll have enough stealth to avoid the issue. But I've been here too long to hide it. I'd rather just throw it out there and deal with it than try to downplay it in this scenario. There's also been a surprising amount of people, who when I am outed to, relate how they knew someone who transitioned. Sometimes more than one person. The more that the average person can relate, at least in passing, to people in our situation, the easier it will get for us.
I mean let's face it, if you actually simulate that in real life... get in bed with a guy, he takes your panties off, and out pops a johnson, you did trick him. All of his expectations and desire just suddenly get blasted sideways. Reality is that we're different than regular women and that we must accommodate that (as must our partners.) Post op, obviously, many women decide not to disclose to casual partners... and sometimes not to serious partners, either. All of that is a very murky bog.
Frankly, if you're in your teens/early 20s, "Yeah, uhm, I'm a trap" might be an icebreaker for the trans conversation with an internet-aware guy or girl. The more comfortable and sure you are of presenting yourself to someone, the more confidence you will inspire.
Today a male coworker of mine (father of one, adopted two sisters from a foreign country) asked if my boobs were real now because he remembered I mentioned padding (he misunderstood my pushup bra for stuffing my bra.) Later in the conversation he said that he brought it up because of one of his daughter's breasts growing in and the discomfort she causes him with either a) showing off the nipples through her clothing or b) wearing a padded bra that enhances her size considerably for her age.
Of course, since he asked about my boobs, I just started explaining the difference between pushup bras and regular bras, and how most bras have some degree of lining as a comfortably full shape makes clothes fit better, is more aesthetically pleasing, but also, that that layer of padding protects the breasts from impact injury and elaborated on how often I hurt my boobs back before I got to wear a bra at work.
And explained that my boobs are up to a B, but I wear a C because I have a broad chest and need the wider cup to accommodate the width of my boobs, and that I need a new pushup bra so I fill the cup (which I don't with my non pushup C.) I didn't get the chance to talk about how I'm too big for my B sports bra, and how underwire can actually be more comfortable if you can't get a soft bra to hold them in place.
He took it all in stride. I was trying to make him uncomfortable, but he rolled with it - he's got 3 daughters after all. And maybe I educated him about boobs, 'cause they certainly won't :p
A lot of people here would probably be really offended... perhaps I'm just used to fielding a lot of questions from my coworkers / extended family as they sort of feel like, but ->-bleeped-<-, I'd rather flat out talk about something like that rather than have someone going "pssspspspsp think her's are real? do they really grow boobs?"
I'm never doing this ->-bleeped-<- again at another job, but then I won't have to... I'll have enough stealth to avoid the issue. But I've been here too long to hide it. I'd rather just throw it out there and deal with it than try to downplay it in this scenario. There's also been a surprising amount of people, who when I am outed to, relate how they knew someone who transitioned. Sometimes more than one person. The more that the average person can relate, at least in passing, to people in our situation, the easier it will get for us.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 04:30:39 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 04:30:39 AM
Yeah I don't know if I understood what you were really trying to say... if anything. Kinda wandered off to me.... uummmm...
I guess I don't feel comfortable with the idea of "Hi I'm a trap", being an acceptable form of "coming out" to someone. Is that what you meant?
It makes me think of a court room "he was a trap, I had no Idea, he mislead me to think he was a she... it's not my fault". "sir are you a trap?". "what? ..I don't even....". BAM guilty.
Keyword: mislead. That is the under laying message in "it's a trap". imo.
I guess I don't feel comfortable with the idea of "Hi I'm a trap", being an acceptable form of "coming out" to someone. Is that what you meant?
It makes me think of a court room "he was a trap, I had no Idea, he mislead me to think he was a she... it's not my fault". "sir are you a trap?". "what? ..I don't even....". BAM guilty.
Keyword: mislead. That is the under laying message in "it's a trap". imo.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: LordKAT on August 11, 2010, 04:45:35 AM
Post by: LordKAT on August 11, 2010, 04:45:35 AM
This thread is first time I have heard it used in that way. The saying is common and has been since I was a young child, long before any star wars movies.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 05:05:53 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 05:05:53 AM
I first heard it about two years ago from an ex-housemate who used 4chan everyday (yet was also TS). I was baffled by that..... but that wasn't the only thing I was baffled by in regards to her :S
I guess that has a huge effect on how ones sees and understands it... which is why I'm so interested in hearing back from this person I PMed... still no reply yet :P
I guess that has a huge effect on how ones sees and understands it... which is why I'm so interested in hearing back from this person I PMed... still no reply yet :P
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Autumn on August 11, 2010, 05:20:00 AM
Post by: Autumn on August 11, 2010, 05:20:00 AM
Quote from: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 04:30:39 AM
Yeah I don't know if I understood what you were really trying to say... if anything. Kinda wandered off to me.... uummmm...
I guess I don't feel comfortable with the idea of "Hi I'm a trap", being an acceptable form of "coming out" to someone. Is that what you meant?
It makes me think of a court room "he was a trap, I had no Idea, he mislead me to think he was a she... it's not my fault". "sir are you a trap?". "what? ..I don't even....". BAM guilty.
Keyword: mislead. That is the under laying message in "it's a trap". imo.
I suppose I did, a little. I was relating to how absolutely hung up and offended so many people here seem to be about any misunderstanding by any random person regarding transsexualism. How statements can be taken as a great offense (the status of my boobs), or used to inform people. In most cases, when object malice isn't intended, I'd rather inform people in a confident and rational way, rather than get huffy and come across as some bitch.
I've got more doctors than I can fit on one hand who've been absolutely floored/confused/curious/uninformed about the transsexual condition. And even if they have familiarity with it, they aren't close to 100%. I'm quite used to doctors asking me questions, and intently following what I have to say to them, as they're learning something.
When doctors, of all people, are in that position - how can you expect every random person to be able to immediately get every term and phrase and such perfect? I have a hard enough time explaining womens' sexuality to straight guys, or how bisexuality works... you expect the average person to have picked up a copy of "How To Feed and Care for your ->-bleeped-<-" at the news stand?
*shrug* I personally think it's a funny phrase. We've had threads about ->-bleeped-<-, dickgirl, t-girl, ->-bleeped-<-, now trap, and who knows how many other slang/vulgarities regarding our condition. Honestly? I find it the least offensive of the list, and as I said, pretty humorous. And it does include the compliment that you do, in fact, pass admirably, after all.
And yes, it's what I meant. An hour or so before I came out to my current girlfriend, we were discussing her teenage years. She was athletic, horny, and had really bad acne. I mentioned that that combination probably meant she had high testosterone for a woman. She laughingly said to me "Are you saying I'm like a boy??"
When I felt I was to the point where I had to do something, I took that phrase, "Remember when you thought I was accusing you of being like a boy? ... people might have had an easier time using that one on me..." I was looking for some way to broach the subject, to me, it worked fine.
*shrug* Every person is different.
Also, you ARE misleading people if you're pre-op and fail to disclose that until the pants come off.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 06:09:27 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 06:09:27 AM
I'm getting the feeling we're going in completely different directions here.
I guess my exposure to the term has possibly tainted me a little too much..... I now relate it possible too much to immature little kids that sit on their computer looking up porn (4chan etc) and occasionally coming across a picture of a transsexual and being disgusted by us.
Sure there are plenty of guys out there that are mature about it all but they are less likely to spread the good word that we are human and are actually pretty cool. As opposed to the immature kid that help spread a virus meme through the internet covertly poking fun at transsexuals. Regardless of it's other connotations, the TS one IS out there.
I understand the "oh so what it's just another insult to add to the list... meh!". But I feel like this term is actually a little more damaging because it's so subvert, and suggests that we mislead people. It's pretty hard for a transsexual who's photo is online to somehow magically contact the person viewing the picture to explain to them how they came to be in their situation to avoid any "misleading".
They not only judge us but in a sense accuse us (falsely) of misleading people. They are pre-op women trying to earn money for an op... they're not out to trick anyone.. they (the immature kids) come to that (wrong) conclusion themselves then spread it.
And what you're saying is we're expected to laugh along with the "joke"?
I will try my best to contact anyone I see posting that picture to ask them what it means and if it is in relation to transsexuality then I will (covertly) suggest they reconsider their opinion with a bit of research that I will be willing to provide.
A complete waste of time huh.. probably.
I guess my exposure to the term has possibly tainted me a little too much..... I now relate it possible too much to immature little kids that sit on their computer looking up porn (4chan etc) and occasionally coming across a picture of a transsexual and being disgusted by us.
Sure there are plenty of guys out there that are mature about it all but they are less likely to spread the good word that we are human and are actually pretty cool. As opposed to the immature kid that help spread a virus meme through the internet covertly poking fun at transsexuals. Regardless of it's other connotations, the TS one IS out there.
I understand the "oh so what it's just another insult to add to the list... meh!". But I feel like this term is actually a little more damaging because it's so subvert, and suggests that we mislead people. It's pretty hard for a transsexual who's photo is online to somehow magically contact the person viewing the picture to explain to them how they came to be in their situation to avoid any "misleading".
They not only judge us but in a sense accuse us (falsely) of misleading people. They are pre-op women trying to earn money for an op... they're not out to trick anyone.. they (the immature kids) come to that (wrong) conclusion themselves then spread it.
And what you're saying is we're expected to laugh along with the "joke"?
I will try my best to contact anyone I see posting that picture to ask them what it means and if it is in relation to transsexuality then I will (covertly) suggest they reconsider their opinion with a bit of research that I will be willing to provide.
A complete waste of time huh.. probably.
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Steph on August 11, 2010, 07:29:34 AM
Post by: Steph on August 11, 2010, 07:29:34 AM
I've been called worse in the past...
I have to agree with Autumn. A pre-op, and in some cases post-ops who do not reveal who/what they are before entering into an intimate relationship is being a little deceitful to say the least and shouldn't complain when someone reacts in a negative way. I can't think why anyone would want to put themselves in that position.
-={LR}=-
I have to agree with Autumn. A pre-op, and in some cases post-ops who do not reveal who/what they are before entering into an intimate relationship is being a little deceitful to say the least and shouldn't complain when someone reacts in a negative way. I can't think why anyone would want to put themselves in that position.
-={LR}=-
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: cher_m on August 11, 2010, 07:53:32 AM
Post by: cher_m on August 11, 2010, 07:53:32 AM
Quote from: Ladyrider on August 11, 2010, 07:29:34 AM
I've been called worse in the past...
I have to agree with Autumn. A pre-op, and in some cases post-ops who do not reveal who/what they are before entering into an intimate relationship is being a little deceitful to say the least and shouldn't complain when someone reacts in a negative way. I can't think why anyone would want to put themselves in that position.
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+1 My first boyfriend was 6'5" tall. About a week passed between the moment we first professed our feelings for one another, and our first kiss. I wouldn't allow it until he knew. I did relax that a bit with subsequent boyfriends, but only as far as kissing. (I do like kissing :) ) Anyway, I was so afraid of how he might react that on the day I told him, I did it while he was waist deep in the pool. I was sitting just outside the pool and beyond his reach. Paranoid, huh? :) I just wanted that head start to run inside and lock my door. It was all for nothing. He asked about the "plumbing." Being post op, he had no issue with it. Then... I got in the pool with him and we shared my first kiss with a man. WOW! What a difference to kissing a woman.
I know the community is split on the issue of when or even if one should reveal their past. Oddly the 3 or 4 men I've told with whom we were at various stages of mutual interest had no problem with it. The only time I've had a problem is when I concealed my past from those with whom I was NOT intimate with or who would never be more than a platonic friend. The repurcussions from those instances have been devastating. I imagine a man would have a right to be upset if he slept with a post op woman who concealed it from him. Then again... maybe I'm just paranoid
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 07:59:42 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 07:59:42 AM
Quote from: Ladyrider on August 11, 2010, 07:29:34 AM
I've been called worse in the past...
I have to agree with Autumn. A pre-op, and in some cases post-ops who do not reveal who/what they are before entering into an intimate relationship is being a little deceitful to say the least and shouldn't complain when someone reacts in a negative way. I can't think why anyone would want to put themselves in that position.
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This thread isn't even about that at all... >______< I'm seriously baffled to how that came up.
<off topic> I totally agree that pre-op TSs should tell their REAL LIFE potential partners what is "going on" without a doubt. That would be misleading to not do so. But as far as a post-op goes it doesn't make any difference as everything is as the potential partner would expect </off topic>
In regards to the term "it's a trap" and being misleading, I feel that these immature kids are indirectly accusing "traps" of being misleading because they are surprised to find out that a picture of an attractive woman is actually (according to them) really a man.
How can a person in a picture defend themselves? How can they stop and explain their situation before this person is shocked to find out they are transsexual? It's impossible!!! I agree!!!! :O
Should a pre-op transsexual be branded on their forehead if they just so happen to have "sexy" photos taken of themselves??? Really?
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 08:01:47 AM
Post by: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 08:01:47 AM
Quote from: cher_m on August 11, 2010, 07:53:32 AM
I know the community is split on the issue of when or even if one should reveal their past.
CAN WE GET THIS THREAD BACK ON TOPIC NOW PLEASE??????????????????
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: Steph on August 11, 2010, 11:26:33 AM
Post by: Steph on August 11, 2010, 11:26:33 AM
Quote from: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 07:59:42 AM
This thread isn't even about that at all... >______< I'm seriously baffled to how that came up.
<off topic> I totally agree that pre-op TSs should tell their REAL LIFE potential partners what is "going on" without a doubt. That would be misleading to not do so. But as far as a post-op goes it doesn't make any difference as everything is as the potential partner would expect </off topic>
In regards to the term "it's a trap" and being misleading, I feel that these immature kids are indirectly accusing "traps" of being misleading because they are surprised to find out that a picture of an attractive woman is actually (according to them) really a man.
How can a person in a picture defend themselves? How can they stop and explain their situation before this person is shocked to find out they are transsexual? It's impossible!!! I agree!!!! :O
Should a pre-op transsexual be branded on their forehead if they just so happen to have "sexy" photos taken of themselves??? Really?
Firstly I apologize for derailing your thread, it was not my intention, and I didn't realize that I had, some times I type before thinking, again I apologize.
Next I think you need to consider the audience you are referring to "those immature kids" and in doing that one would understand the responses. After all what else would one expect from the immature. As far as being branded... Of course they shouldn't be, but then why would anyone want to post these kind of pictures or any kind of picture for that matter without first considering the consequences. Granted in a perfect world we should be able to do this with out fear but sadly our world is not perfect.
Again i apologize for the derailment and if I'm still missing the point.
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Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: meh on August 12, 2010, 01:32:19 AM
Post by: meh on August 12, 2010, 01:32:19 AM
Quote from: Muffin on August 11, 2010, 06:09:27 AM
I'm getting the feeling we're going in completely different directions here.
I guess my exposure to the term has possibly tainted me a little too much..... I now relate it possible too much to immature little kids that sit on their computer looking up porn (4chan etc) and occasionally coming across a picture of a transsexual and being disgusted by us.
4chan has a whole section dedicated to "trap" hentai and there's a trapchan spinoff where they feature "traps" and "reverse traps", which I guess are ftms. -.-
Title: Re: that ugly four lettered word....
Post by: cher_m on August 12, 2010, 06:57:40 AM
Post by: cher_m on August 12, 2010, 06:57:40 AM
Hmph... guess I'm old. I had to wiki 4chan.
It really sounds immature and reflects the decline of our culture as a cohesive unit. Turns out, the site's owner is deep in debt due to the heavy bandwidth required to maintain the site and is having a hard time finding advertiser who don't mind being associated with the site's content.
I wonder if WinHTTrack could work on the site. If not, a simple program could be written to accomplish the same thing. I'd think it would. As many groups as they pissoff, I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people copying the entire site to the client computer. The amount of bandwidth that would eat up would be incredible, adding to their money woes. Without substantial sponsors, the site would be forced to moderate to be profitable, and the offensive content would necessarily be curbed.
Just my guess.
It really sounds immature and reflects the decline of our culture as a cohesive unit. Turns out, the site's owner is deep in debt due to the heavy bandwidth required to maintain the site and is having a hard time finding advertiser who don't mind being associated with the site's content.
I wonder if WinHTTrack could work on the site. If not, a simple program could be written to accomplish the same thing. I'd think it would. As many groups as they pissoff, I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people copying the entire site to the client computer. The amount of bandwidth that would eat up would be incredible, adding to their money woes. Without substantial sponsors, the site would be forced to moderate to be profitable, and the offensive content would necessarily be curbed.
Just my guess.