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Well, I'm still learning new things about female anatomy.  I did not realize the complexity of the clitoris and thought it was just sort of roundish; however, I've learned that it has branches like an inverted 'v'  called clitoral crura, and that the clitoris has a fair amount of erectile tissue inside the body.  Not sure what the Vulval vestibule is though.

So my question is, is all of this replicated in MTF SRS surgery?  Is the neo-clitoris more than just a round portion of the glans and is there any erectile tissue inside of the body?

Interestingly, today The View was talking about a woman's G-spot and this expert told how the clitoris is not the M&M shape that many people believe it to be, but rather is about 6 inches long with two legs that go down under (I think) the lips. 

I would still like to know more about the neo-clitoris of SRS and if it is more of an M&M type or if it is more accurately replicated.  From what little I know now, I am assuming that all of the erectile tissue of the penis is discarded except for a small portion of the glans.  My glans is not that sensitive anyway - I have more sensitivity below the glans on one side.

Can anyone enlighten me on this?

*shrugs* I don't know what this m&m stuff is, but my clit looks normal and I have a g-spot. I've had sex with men and women who didn't know the difference. Every woman is different down there, however, so it's more of in the range of normal. I have a had a lot of compliments with my vagina -- usually very highly rated!

I went to Brassard in Montreal for my SRS just over two years ago. Everything works. I orgasm, I get wet, my clit works like a clit should, the insides work like the insides should, and the vulva looks like a vulva should. :)

As strange as this my sound, I've never seen a naked woman before so I'm not sure what normal is.  Until recently, I just thought the clitoris was small and roundish, so I was surprised to find out that there is more to it than that. 

The neoclit is just taken from the head of the penis, isn't it? Then I doubt the internal 'legs' and whatnot are included. As for the surface, the gg clit has a heavy concentration of nerves in a tiny space that can't be completely replicated as the penis' nerves are more spread out over a large area. But the neoclit head should be pretty close. I don't think the difference will be obvious.

I'm no doctor, but I wonder why the neo-clit doesn't have legs since they have ample material to work with.

I'm still curious if much of the neo-clit is also internal like a GG or not.  I've looked at some SRS surgery pages, but they did not go into that much detail on this particular matter. 

No idea what it's like internally. *shrugs* I'm not sure if that would even matter in the end, really -- if it works and looks great, then woot! Internal legs or not, it's not something that someone is going to notice unless they had x-ray vision.

I think the legs are external but under the labia.  The internal part is erectile tissue, which can cause pleasure during intercourse, if I understand correctly. 

I was just surprised because I had thought the clitoris was just a little round thing. 

Quote from: Robertina on September 02, 2010, 05:01:33 PM
I'm no doctor, but I wonder why the neo-clit doesn't have legs since they have ample material to work with.

I'm still curious if much of the neo-clit is also internal like a GG or not.  I've looked at some SRS surgery pages, but they did not go into that much detail on this particular matter.

Well, I'm just guessing too. But aren't the legs like way inside? (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fc%2Fcf%2FClitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg%2F180px-Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg.png&hash=f0d2ca8f1db4364535fa5db1252a2ab6dfa7c9ae)

Clits have legs?   ???

Quote from: Kristyn on September 02, 2010, 06:55:48 PM
Clits have legs?   ???

Or, perhaps tentacles!!!!  >:-)

...Wow, that would be weird going down on that... :p

Tentacles is a good description in fact...lol

The reality me thinks is that if you've got adaptable genes, and many more estrogens receptors than a typical XY male..plus the HRT works well for you over 2-5 years or so pre SRS, and you've got the best material (physical) left to get a good result, and last but not least a Dr that's highly skilled and talented....then for 66% of us... the aesthetics will be damned good...and with care and time all should settle well enough.

If a lot of the above are sadly not a workable option for you then me thinks you fall into the other 33% category...where the results will be just so, so.....

But for many this is still loads better than living in twilight no mans land of in-betweeners.....

Though it's never going to be possible to have a vagina exactly as if you were born with one from birth... and yes the clitoris's in natal women are beautifully complex...and not just simple tiny buds....

However due to our unique post-op TG anatomy, many of us can enjoy vaginal orgasms, which many natal women can not....

And also in our case its less about the glans bud... and more about the nerves that lie up from it and along our neo vagina's... even pre my revision.... I used to get an internal pull-up and tightening of my girlie bits when aroused...which was extremely pleasant....

How I'll be post this latest revision, who knows? As I'm in the ghormanghastly it all looks visually horrible, bruised swollen 48hrs after surgery phase, because there are so many blood vessel in that part of me... but hopefully as Dr M said all the nerves looked good and intact...when he checked on opening me up....and over the next two weeks or so it should all settle back down again once more... and as long as I follow my after care instructions to the letter... and take extreme care...

You have to have nerves of steel and faith.....at this point...I kid you not... and I have ice packs constantly against me!!

Then if I'm lucky hopefully in 3-4 months normal functionality (with improved aesthetics) will once more be resumed....

And finally, good luck to all you ladies seeking cute neo-vagina's, or about to go in for surgery soon..... its one of the toughest aspects we have to undertake...

And the dark-side-of-the moon phase, mentally hard for sure...

so better forewarned than not.... and hope this helps?

Quote from: Nero on September 02, 2010, 03:37:29 PM
The neoclit is just taken from the head of the penis, isn't it? Then I doubt the internal 'legs' and whatnot are included. As for the surface, the gg clit has a heavy concentration of nerves in a tiny space that can't be completely replicated as the penis' nerves are more spread out over a large area. But the neoclit head should be pretty close. I don't think the difference will be obvious.

Maybe I got lucky, but my doctor actually told me she gave me a good one lol The part under the hood is not all there is to it, I can feel there is more hidden underneath but it's all sensitive, even under the skin. It does feel slightly tight and swollen when stimulated, but I'll have to ask my doctor about that. I still have to be careful because it's quite easy for it to get irritated, such as when rubbing against tight clothing for instance.

Yes it's created from the head of the penis-  but it feels quite different now in it's new configuration, like all the nerves from the glans have been concentrated or something. As time goes by it is getting harder for me to remember what having a penis felt like, but I can tell you it was nothing like this lol

This is interesting.  My clitoris appears to be more than just a bud and certainly feels to be more.  It is more sensitive than the glans was.  The whole area is sensitive, and pressure causes some deep sensations (nice ones :)).  My understanding is that many of the nerves in the penis were bundled into the clitoris during surgery.

I had thought that all erectile tissue was discarded, but some mornings – especially after some dreams :icon_redface: - I feel that I have an erection.  And then it is a good news/bad news situation.  Good news because now that junk has been reconfigured properly, and bad news because I haven't quite figured out what to do with the new configuration.

- Kate

Quote from: K8 on September 03, 2010, 07:00:53 PM
This is interesting.  My clitoris appears to be more than just a bud and certainly feels to be more.  It is more sensitive than the glans was.  The whole area is sensitive, and pressure causes some deep sensations (nice ones :)).  My understanding is that many of the nerves in the penis were bundled into the clitoris during surgery.

I had thought that all erectile tissue was discarded, but some mornings – especially after some dreams :icon_redface: - I feel that I have an erection.  And then it is a good news/bad news situation.  Good news because now that junk has been reconfigured properly, and bad news because I haven't quite figured out what to do with the new configuration.

- Kate

Interesting. I just read that ggs get 'erection' type sensations from the 'legs' or whatever, but are not in tuned to notice them. But a post-op woman would be used to that feeling, I'd think and notice it. (I'll post link if I find it).

Edit:

QuoteWhen a woman is turned on she gets a clitoral erection, similar to a man's hard-on, but since the female version is mostly inside the body and since women have not been taught to tune into their undercover clit tumescences, most women don't know when it's happening.

http://www.yourtango.com/20086463/clit-is-much-bigger-than-you-think.html (http://www.yourtango.com/20086463/clit-is-much-bigger-than-you-think.html)

Quote from: K8 on September 03, 2010, 07:00:53 PM
This is interesting.  My clitoris appears to be more than just a bud and certainly feels to be more.  It is more sensitive than the glans was.  The whole area is sensitive, and pressure causes some deep sensations (nice ones :)).  My understanding is that many of the nerves in the penis were bundled into the clitoris during surgery.

I had thought that all erectile tissue was discarded, but some mornings – especially after some dreams :icon_redface: - I feel that I have an erection.  And then it is a good news/bad news situation.  Good news because now that junk has been reconfigured properly, and bad news because I haven't quite figured out what to do with the new configuration.

- Kate

Kate that's exactly the same as my experience too.

Maybe its because of all that stuff we used to have on the outside, but I don't think I was ever was NOT aware of having an erection lol What's really strange is being able to pee while it's still tumescent; now that's a new one.

Quote from: FairyGirl on September 03, 2010, 07:54:43 PM
What's really strange is being able to pee while it's still tumescent; now that's a new one.

;D

Quote from: gothique11 on September 02, 2010, 07:40:29 PM
Or, perhaps tentacles!!!!  >:-)

...Wow, that would be weird going down on that... :p

The mental image of that is just precious!  Especially from my point of view.  The image of tentacles wrapped around some guys head pulling him into the right position...  Yeah, that's the ticket.

The nerve sparing that is done to preserve a sensate glans for the neo-clitoris retains some small erectile tissue as well.  These tissues and nerve paths are pushed inside the body during the construction of the neo-clitoris.  So there is some swelling during arousal that is similar to a GG.  The neo-clitoris does not mimic the exact structure of a GG clitoris.  As has already been noted, the actual structure of the clitoris is quite complex and is possibly the most ennervated part of the human body.  The creation of the neo-clitoris is done primarily for preservation of sensation, structure, and esthetics, usually in that order.  So externally a clitoris may appear to be an M&M shaped button but the internal structure is more complex.  So too a neo-clitoris appears much the same, externally, but does not have the internal structure.

All the well known surgeons perform much the same procedure for this part of the SRS surgery.

Additionally, most surgeons perform a bit of a balancing act in attempting to retain as much of the glans as possible with the creation of a realistic looking external clitoris.  As a result most neo-clitoris' are slightly larger than a GG clitoris, few if any actually notice.

-Sandy

It must be remembered that the clitoris and the penis are basically the same structure and how it develops is dependant on genes and hormones starting in about the 7th week of pregnancy. In boys, the structure develops toward a penis under the influence of the hormones triggered by the SRY gene but in girls the development of the structure is suppressed and becomes the clitoris.

My surgery was done  by Dr. Biber in 1974 and he had precious little material to work with so I don't know how relevant it might be today. (Certainly today's techniques have better results cosmetically.)

My clitoris is basically a 'protruding soft lump' located a little farther back than normal and hidden between the labia majora but it becomes rather firm and more pronounced when aroused. Deeper in the tissue (when aroused) the two forks of the clitoris can be felt extending from the clitoris past each side of the vagina and disappearing into the deeper muscles of the posterior (my boyfriend pointed this out - I had never realized it LOL!).

It may not look "average" but it sure works fine LOL!

(The G-spot is something entirely different and unrelated.)

Quote from: Robertina on September 01, 2010, 08:06:35 PM
Well, I'm still learning new things about female anatomy.  I did not realize the complexity of the clitoris and thought it was just sort of roundish;

Luckily or unfortunately most guys think its just a round hole they don't want to look very closely at.

I have known a few women to say their guys never managed to hit the clitoris let alone their Gspots.

What a post-op needs is a guy who knows there is a clitoris and is diligent in studying and practicing how to make it work.

What we need is men whom love and adore us for the very special women we be...

Who are also intelligent enough to know and understand that it takes us time to feel really comfortable with whom we are anatomically...and getting to learn the new us is as much as an adventure as it can be for them...

(That true beauty always lies within)

And that a real genuine depth of feeling and heart-felt affection is really there...

How will you know this?

Well as they say....it's in is kiss.....how he looks you in the eye, how he caresses you....and how of an evening you feel his powerful warm arms envelope you and squeeze you tight...

If you have all this... then you have something truly priceless......

Ella Fitzgerald - How Long Has This Been Going On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbTQWdnpjBk#)

And all the pain and difficulty you've endured to get here...simply fades away....

Quote from: FairyGirl on September 03, 2010, 07:54:43 PM
Kate that's exactly the same as my experience too.

What's really strange is being able to pee while it's still tumescent; now that's a new one.

Hi everyone, this is my first post here. I am wondering if you can describe how it feels, peeing while  its it still tumescent? Does it feel anything like before your SRS, & peeing while erect? Or do you feel the sensations in your clitoris as well as your urethera now, or the whole area, or? Just am very curious if how it feels can be described.

Sam :)

I wish I could describe it. The first real time I had sex was after srs and it was awesome. It's just like a fun all down there feeling

Quote from: Tristan on July 23, 2013, 05:25:26 AM
I wish I could describe it. The first real time I had sex was after srs and it was awesome. It's just like a fun all down there feeling

Nice, is your clitoris more sensitive than your penis was before SRS, since all the nerves are packaged into a smaller area? I've read some girls say they need the same kind of "firm" touch like they did before SRS to orgasm. But others have said a light touch is key & is all that's necessary.

Sam ;)

Well I don't remember using my penis at all for anything other than to pee. I can say that the touch down there is nice. Not much is needed for it to feel nice. Like I liked to sleep with a pillow between my legs before srs and now post op I kinda have to avoid doing that because when it touches my clitotis it feels so good and stimulates me. I know that's graphic and gross but my mom says its completely normal. It really feels good haha

Quote from: Tristan on July 24, 2013, 01:18:15 PM
Well I don't remember using my penis at all for anything other than to pee. I can say that the touch down there is nice. Not much is needed for it to feel nice. Like I liked to sleep with a pillow between my legs before srs and now post op I kinda have to avoid doing that because when it touches my clitotis it feels so good and stimulates me. I know that's graphic and gross but my mom says its completely normal. It really feels good haha

I don't think it's too graphic, or gross at all. It's great that your so sensitive! Thanks for your replies & for the info! ;)

Sam