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Hi everyone, this is pretty much how I look now 7 days after surgery. I did however do some photoshop, to hide some swelling and bruises that havent healed yet. I think I was much prettier before the accident, Michael thinks im better looking now. Please be honest, did I look bettet now or before ? My mom didnt even recognize me when I returned a couple days ago. :'( 

You are still a pretty girl.  No one should have to go through what you did, but you came out if good shape.  AT least you are still the same pretty girl.

And your Mom is used to seeing her child that way you used to look.  She will come around.

Hugs

Janet, your last sentence means alot to me. Its not that my mother doesnt support me, she always has. She is just trying to get used to my new look. Just as I am. She hasnt said anything about it, but I can tell. Im still having a little pain, but hoping I can be back at work by November, or I lose my job. :(

You look awesome girl. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to me you look at least as pretty as you did before.

Melody, you have to admit that its way diffrent than what I looked before. Anybody that says otherwise is lying.

Yes it really is very different. It's quite amazing that this corrective surgery changed your face this much. I mean your smile, teeth, facial muscles, hairline, and even your hair? Regardless, you do look pretty and very feminine. I'm also surprised to see your lips and placement of your mouth change this much too. You really are good at photoshop to hide away the swellings and touch it up like that. I've been using photoshop for years and yet I can't seem to do something this effective with it.  :)

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 18, 2010, 12:28:00 AM
Michael thinks im better looking now.

Suggest you trust Michael. He seems to be the rock in your life at the moment.

You look very similar to how you did before your nose is just abit smaller down the center. You looked Great before you still look great.

Hi Angela,
My apologies I do not have a pre accident pic. S can I comment on the new you? You have a very feminine face. Your cheek bones are high and your chin/lower jaw has the female 'pointed' look. Your eye sockets appear different sizes but this could well be from the photoshop etc. You have very nice and pretty wide eyes.

I presume your cheeks and eye areas were affected in the accident. I don't make that comment from the picture just a presumption from facial accidents. If so the surgery has been excellent.

You have a very attractive female face. I cannot say if you are prettier now than before because I do not have a before.

The other pluses. You survived.  You survived without losing limbs, brain and movement, be thankful. You have a totally fantastic boy friend in Michael who persisted at Susan's to let us know what happened.  Your Mum loves you. She will get use to the new look, after all, you have to as well. And Michael is the tower next to both you and your Mum. I think, but may be  wrong, that he loves and adores you. :-* :-* :-* :-*

Take care Honey. Heal well and live every day. Because as you have found out we cannot decide what happens in the  next minute.


Long big hug

Cindy

Thank you everyone for your kind comments. Noir, its my fault for forgetting to mention about the hair. I had a new hairstyle done the other day at the salon, to match better with my new look. Spacial , youre right about Michael, I wouldnt give him up for anything. My main concern right now is to be ready to go back to work by November. Im having therapy twice a week for my back pains.

Hi Angela,

I can't comment on past/present, but I think you look pretty.

Love Tali

It is good to hear from you again Angela.
Don't worry about your face, you look beautiful to me. It is always a shock when things like this happen to a loved person so don't think to much about your mother's  reaction. She must have been very worried about you and look at all small details and changes. She will come around as Janet wrote.

Take care of Michael, he is a winning ticket in the lottery.

Thank you Octavianus. I can tell from some of your posts you are alot like Michael. I hope that someday on these forums you can introduce your girl. Michaels parents are wonderful, considering they know my past. Its really suprising because people here in Greece are not very acceting on transgender issues. Michael and I had our first intercourse last night, I dont know how to explain it, as a woman this was my first time. It was diffrent yet the same. Michael says he couldnt tell the diffrence, it felt the same to him. I t was amazing to be on the " receiving" end for the first time. Michael wants me to go dancing with him tonight, but I told him lets just stay home and watch movies. He was sad when I told him, But he has to understand I want to be careful with myself for a few weeks, to be ready for work.

I dont know how I missed it, but thank you so much for the warm compliments Pebbles and  Cindy James !

You look THAT good after 7 days of major facial surgery?  ???
Impressive..

No Jennifer, some photoshop involved. But its pretty much what I look like

You look Beautiful Angela :)

I'm really glad to hear everything is ok with you!

you look great!! :D

I'm glad you're okay hon, I was a bit concerned after reading Michael's posts. On topic, you look great! And congrats on finding such a caring man  :)

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 18, 2010, 12:50:46 AM
Melody, you have to admit that its way diffrent than what I looked before. Anybody that says otherwise is lying.

Yes, you look different. I'm sure it is a little bit of a shock to look in the mirror, but you are still pretty. If anyone stares, it is because they think you are attractive. I myself have vitiligo which means that I get white lesions all over my body where pigmentation has gone away. My face is generally free of it except around my lips, but I have it on my hands and legs. Every once in awhile I'll be in a line and I will hear a little child ask their parent about "why does that man have white spots on his body?" Now that I can wear makeup and things like tights or leggings, I hope to be less conspicuous. I really don't want to draw attention to myself as I venture out into the world as a woman for the first time.

I learned some time ago to make peace with it, but I am never quite sure what I will find when I look in the mirror. The accident could have left you disfigured and in my world. You are lucky enough that it left you different, but attractive. To my eyes maybe even more attractive, but you and Michael are the only ones that count here. You are living the dream of so many of us here.

You have had sexual intercourse only a week after several surgeries? You should really be careful with your body, I hope you didn't hurt yourself.
About me introducing her to this forum, I don't know if that is a good idea or even necessary. We had a bit of a rough time a few weeks ago and things are going much better now. She hates her TS condition with a passion, and I am a bit afraid she will see this in the wrong light. After all, she is a woman first and not to be defined by any conditions. Eventually, when the time is right I will show her this place and read what I have written about her and mine feelings. Then it is up to her if she wants to join or not.

Spending time together is great, going to a ball or just staying at home and curl up on the couch to watch movies. Happyness can exist in the most simple things when you do it together.

Angela, you have a model's face. I'm so happy you are well and alive. You look very sweet and cute in the image. I haven't seen a before image, but I think you were as cute before too. You have a very kind and sweet boyfriend too.

Majorly impressive photoshop skills! Do you work in graphic design?

Hours in a hair salon chair and intercourse just a few days after major facial surgery will most likely help your bad back to heal a lot quicker. You have a very understanding hairdresser, most of them wouldn't take a client just days post op because of the strain on stitches and all the bruising.

Please keep us updated and you keep healing fast ok?

I had a client once, had a fast car (too early a year after getting the licence)....totalled it at over 140mph into a parked car....

When I went in to see him for the first time facially (in hospital ICU a week in) he was unrecognisable... due to the incredible swelling due to a side head impact... some of his co-workers cruelly nicknamed him Melon Man.....

He was in hospital for almost 6 weeks....then rehab took another 4 months....or so....and we all know facial scars can take years to fully clear... even you be in yer twenties....

So I'd tend to agree with JohnnieR.... a miraculous recovery....you're amazingly lucky Angela!! Perhaps that temp guardian angel avatar holds clues to your uber-swift recovery?

But all the genuine folk on Susan's (and there are many) do of course wish you all the continued best with yer recovery....

Im a little troubled coming back from Michaels house tonight. I had to check something on his computer, and I did not like what I found. It appears he has pictures of transexual porn saved to his computer. I  mentioned  it to him,he laughed and thought nothing much of it. But it makes me wonder if he really loves me for my personality , or because im transgender.He is so nice, am I in the wrong for letting this slide ?

Oh honey, don't you just have the worst luck? How was the dancing?

Thank you Michael for being Angela's rock through this awful time.

John,we didnt go dancing. If you read my earlier posts ,I said im not ready for that yet. It hurts if im standing for a prolonged period of time.

You are an incredible woman Angela.

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 18, 2010, 05:48:43 PM
Im a little troubled coming back from Michaels house tonight. I had to check something on his computer, and I did not like what I found. It appears he has pictures of transexual porn saved to his computer. I  mentioned  it to him,he laughed and thought nothing much of it. But it makes me wonder if he really loves me for my personality , or because im transgender.He is so nice, am I in the wrong for letting this slide ?

Maybe he had the porn on his computer to learn how to treat you in bed. He may have been worried about doing something unacceptable since he's never been with a trans woman before.

Quote from: Ayaname on September 18, 2010, 11:47:40 PM
Maybe he had the porn on his computer to learn how to treat you in bed. He may have been worried about doing something unacceptable since he's never been with a trans woman before.

Sorry to be blunt, but why does one need transsexual porn to learn how to please a lady in bed? Is there something I missed?

I'm sorry, but I've seen this play out on another site. Didn't end well.  ::)

without seeing the older pic side by side, i can't remember enough to comment - but this one looks great.

I never saw the old you but you're pretty.

Sorry for doubting you :-\ We had this anti-trans blogger that was stealing our pictures and we got all paranoid. Congrats/good luck with your recovery!

Quote from: Octavianus on September 19, 2010, 12:19:07 AM
Sorry to be blunt, but why does one need transsexual porn to learn how to please a lady in bed? Is there something I missed?

I wouldn't know since I'm not a man who is looking forward to spending his first night with a transsexual.
You see, the problem with trying to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is ignorant about a specific subject is that it kind of makes it hard to form assumptions based on anything but not knowing. And since we at least know that the person in question is potentially ignorant on the subject I figured it was worth mentioning the possible connection between a desire to self educate and one of the most easily accessible sources of transsexual content.
I'm not making assumptions here, I'm just throwing out suggestions that could "possibly" fit and mine was one that hadn't been mentioned yet.

How did you photoshop out the rhinoplasty strapping and black eyes? Removing the scarring, swelling and bruising then adding perfectly applied make up must have taken ages.

How could you have doubts about Michael?

So many people have commented that they can't remember your before picture Angela. If you post it everyone can tell you how different you look now.

Did you ask Michael to remove your old picture and upload the angel as you were lying in your hospital bed recovering from your RTA or did he do that for his own reasons?

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 18, 2010, 05:48:43 PM
Im a little troubled coming back from Michaels house tonight. I had to check something on his computer, and I did not like what I found. It appears he has pictures of transexual porn saved to his computer. I  mentioned  it to him,he laughed and thought nothing much of it. But it makes me wonder if he really loves me for my personality , or because im transgender.He is so nice, am I in the wrong for letting this slide ?

Angela.

That is how some men are. It's meaningless. Rule 1. Never let him know you saw it.

I'm sorry, but the notion that men don't need these things now they have you is nonsense. They think about sex every 3 secods of something like that.

He's a man. That's what men do.  :laugh:

lols....................... that is all.

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 18, 2010, 05:48:43 PM
Im a little troubled coming back from Michaels house tonight. I had to check something on his computer, and I did not like what I found. It appears he has pictures of transexual porn saved to his computer. I  mentioned  it to him,he laughed and thought nothing much of it. But it makes me wonder if he really loves me for my personality , or because im transgender.He is so nice, am I in the wrong for letting this slide ?

Men have high libidos I'm sure you can understand T has that effect, And sometimes they have unusual tastes.

I'd suspect that he might originally have been attracted to your Trans nature then learned to love you as a person, As your post op now he doesn't have an outlet for that sexual desire of his thus he expresses that element of attraction through pornography.

We can't help what we are attracted to it doesn't necessarily make us bad people. I'd consider the nature of the relationship you have with your partner. The relationship you have seems full and authentic and not parasitic or dependent at all.

Thanks Pebbles , I was hoping someone would see it like that. This may sound silly , but if anyone gets the chance to get romanticlly involved with someone you knew well, from when you were male go for it. It has its advantages, you know what turns him on, what he dislikes, it also saves you most of getting to know someone from the beginning. Our only challenge in our relationship, is Michael getting to know me as Angela, because  my personality couldnt be more diffrent from then. He wants to tell some of his guy friends about me, but Im not ready for that. I was fortunate enough that his parents were understanding, I know how guys in Greece are to transgender issues, not good.

I don't know how you looked before (I'm still new here) but you look gorgeous now!  I'm so happy that you have Michael and that he is so supportive. 

If Michael, or anyone else, is any good at all, he wants the whole package.

Just as you should.

(Men and their porn!!!! Ha ha. )

I guess I can somehoe   understand him, I was kind of like him in my man life.

Angela, it seems all of your previous pictures (avatars) are still in my browser cache. I could post them for others if you don't mind? everyone seems so curious, and the differences are quite striking. :)

Fluffles, that would be great !!!! I tried to post them directly into a reply , so everyone could see.But they wouldnt post.

Plus, you have to understand that I had to have 3 diffrent surgeries to my face, it would be impossible to look the same. Ill post another pic in a month or so with no photoshop, but thats mostly how I look now.

Oh if your okay with them begin posted.

I have two of her before surgery photos I also have Angela's Pre-transition photo I keep things like that from random members of the forum for personal motivation usually.
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Pebbles, please dont post that pre transition photo, it pains me too see it again !!! It also has myy old girlfriend in it !

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 20, 2010, 06:51:35 AM
Pebbles, please dont post that pre transition photo, it pains me too see it again !!! It also has myy old girlfriend in it !

I wouldn't unless you specifically asked to.

Ill tell you what, if when you have time you could post that pic , if you cut out my old girlfriend from it. Thats my main beef with the pic.

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 20, 2010, 07:05:49 AM
Ill tell you what, if when you have time you could post that pic , if you cut out my old girlfriend from it. Thats my main beef with the pic.

If the image causes you pain yet you still wish to own it for your own purposes I can send it to you via PM?

I still have the pic, it causes me pain because it has my old girlfriend in it, I dont mind looking at my male self every now and then.

as you wish. Let me know if you want it removed.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv63%2FDarkphantom%2Fangela2.jpg&hash=3bdc14080927b778ae64878a800f3d379be0c7a0)

Now that I look at both the photos of Angela, I can see the similarities.

Eyes, the smile is essentially the same, only the top lip is a little more curved in the older photo.

The cheek bones are the same.

Aw guess I no longer need to post them. Thanks pebbles. ^^

Now, regarding what spacial said, yes there are similarities yet striking differences as well. All good though. :D

Thank you everyone for your kind words. Last night Michael asked me if I would like to move in with him !!!  ;D Some people might say this is too soon, but how could I not trust him ?  He took off time from his job to be with me , when I needed him most. Ill be moving in to his place this weekend. I told my mom this morning, and she started crying. I asked her if she thought its too soon, she told me its not that, and to wait 5 minutes and she would be back ???  She returned with a wrapped gift. I couldnt believe my eyes when I opened it, it was my moms entire  jewelry collection from the past 3 decades !!!  I told her that she didnt have to do this. She said that she had been planning on doing this for years, but was waiting for the right time, so after some encouraging from her I had to take it. My mom is really confident that me and Michael will be married within the next 2- 3 years. Sometimes moms can be a pain though, she is giving me advice on things I already know about Michael. 

Five minutes to wrap her entire jewellery collection from the past three decades? I'm sure she'll give you the other earring just as soon as she finds it.  :)

You take care not to get mugged on the way to Michael's, I sense that we're going to be reading a lot of big adventures from you.

Quote from: JohnR on September 21, 2010, 02:34:30 AM
Five minutes to wrap her entire jewellery collection from the past three decades? I'm sure she'll give you the other earring just as soon as she finds it.  :)

You take care not to get mugged on the way to Michael's, I sense that we're going to be reading a lot of big adventures from you.

I agree.  It's interesting though, I can't wait for the next installment.  ;D

Quote from: JohnR on September 21, 2010, 02:34:30 AM
Five minutes to wrap her entire jewellery collection from the past three decades? I'm sure she'll give you the other earring just as soon as she finds it.  :)

You take care not to get mugged on the way to Michael's, I sense that we're going to be reading a lot of big adventures from you.

Sometimes I have to wonder if you even read the entire post. Where did I say it took her 5 minutes to wrap the jewelry? If you read the entire post, I said that   she had it wrapped and planned a long time ago. The 5 minutes was  when she came back. I wasnt going to post a response , but with cruel uncaring responses like that John, how can I not?? Wishing me to get mugged??? I have nothing more to say to you.

Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 21, 2010, 05:34:06 AM
    Sometimes I have to wonder if you even read the entire post. Where did I say it took her 5 minutes to wrap the jewelry? If you read the entire post, I said that   she had it wrapped and planned a long time ago. The 5 minutes was  when she came back. I wasnt going to post a response , but with cruel uncaring responses like that John, how can I not?? Wishing me to get mugged??? I have nothing more to say to you.

As I didn't wish you to get mugged, I am treating your post as a vicious personal attack on me. Calling me cruel and uncaring when I was nothing but polite to you is very unladylike.

:police: 

OK.  Settle down here.  As an outside observer, your post appears to me to be an attack or at least sarcasm, John.

Let's discuss what is going on rather than nitpicking each statement.  This is a support site.  Let's support each other. 

Angela wrote that she is moving in with Michael and that her mother is supportive to the point of giving her her jewelry - a symbol to Angela that her mother expects the two of them to marry.  If I mis-read this portion of the thread, please correct me.

- Kate

:police:

K8 , you have read the thread exactly how I meant it, thanks. I think I was a little hard on John myself as well. Maybe its just me, but it seems that he always says something negative to me in some posts.  But ill leave it at that.

Angela, reading this stuff makes me so happy. I mean, you finding Michael and your mother being supportive of the relationship and all that stuff.

I wish you the best of luck and the most of joy and happiness.

Quote from: K8 on September 21, 2010, 08:01:23 AM
:police: 

OK.  Settle down here.  As an outside observer, your post appears to me to be an attack or at least sarcasm, John.

Let's discuss what is going on rather than nitpicking each statement.  This is a support site.  Let's support each other. 

Angela wrote that she is moving in with Michael and that her mother is supportive to the point of giving her her jewelry - a symbol to Angela that her mother expects the two of them to marry.  If I mis-read this portion of the thread, please correct me.

- Kate

:police:

I'm British, what may come across as sarcasm is actually humour. However Angela calling me cruel clearly isn't seen as an attack.

Quote from: JohnR on September 21, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
I'm British, what may come across as sarcasm is actually humour. However Angela calling me cruel clearly isn't seen as an attack.

John you've been attacking Angela since she was in the accident. Maybe even before. But you have been attacking her for a while and it needs to stop. You may not believe her story but plenty of us do and whether she is sincere or not, she isn't harming anyone so will you please grow up? And her calling you cruel isn't an attack, since you have been treating her with plenty of cruelty.

 :police: Right people

As just a few posts after K8's appeal we seem to be getting perilously close to more personal attacks let me be clearer!

One LAST CHANCE here.

Either we return to topic and cease commenting on each other or the topic gets locked. Your choice!  :police:

Oh and the next person who posts anything even remotely construable as an attack will get an official warning!

Clear?

Good! Carry on...

Angela,  Your post made me cry, in a good way.  Mom must know something about you and Michael.  I hope for the very best for you and Michael, and that you heal well.

Thanks Janet, I have to apologize for being cranky today. Its because Michael has to work overtime for the next  2 days, and I wont get to see him.

I have to say I'm more than happy to shuffle up alongside dear dear JohnnieR's shoulder here....with what's unravelling here....*s->-bleeped-<-s*

Being an Irish Celt, with a decades long income mainly derived via ad agency copywriting.... (and I also reside in Britain)......and having worked in the US many times since the 80's....I can safely state that many Yanks do fail to get our sense of tongue in cheek irony...

And JR's never been directly attacking in anything he's stated....

But we also know how popular Mills&Boonery be....that's the beauty of soap....tis light, bubbly and fluffy.....and with a quick twist of the tap disposable...

It's appeal for many is a given universal, the Mexican detergent operas I've caught briefly on the Arizona TV channel, while flipping through to HBO in a sense for me, echoes what I see developing here....lol

And a supportive site with entertainment...and a mix of sparring comment – far better surely than just a bland vanillafication....?

sorry if i miss the or whatsoever, but looking from ur avatar...u looks absolutely gorgeous...300% beauty women

Cruella, youre first 2 paragraphs, I understand what youre saying. On the last 3 im lost, its like youre speaking in a cryptic language. ???

 ;D

Quote from: Cruelladeville on September 21, 2010, 12:19:29 PM
;D

Vernacular googled, understood, and agreed.  ;D

Be careful everyone I TOO am British of Celt descent and I have to tell you that I do NOT buy people who say things which can be interpreted as hurtful and then say "Oh but it was only a joke!" I understand what is being said in the vernacular very well.

I took a load of that kind of BS from kids at school in return for my openly transgender presentation... and tonight I am still feeling under the weather from flu so don't push your collective luck please or I WILL make good my threats.

(Ok I'm going now so you can all carp about my sense of humor failure tonight behind my back with my blessing!)

Well, I'm American for better or worse, but I too have a British background and am of Celt descent and understand what is going on here.  Let's cut the crap here.  If we can't be supportive or express our opinions maturely and with some concern for others, then this is the end of this thread.

And I don't have the flu. >:(

- Kate

I like Cruella's language :) And I like soap.

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OK.  We're done here.  Nothing to see.  Move along please.  Thread locked.

- Kate