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Boy who thinks he's a girl treated for identity disorder

By Tom Pettifor 18/10/2010

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/18/girl-trapped-in-boy-s-body-at-3-115875-22642054/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/18/girl-trapped-in-boy-s-body-at-3-115875-22642054/)

EXCLUSIVE: Kids' gender identity crisis

A lad of three who believes he is a girl has become the youngest child in Britain to be treated for the rare condition Gender Identity Disorder.

Sufferers feel that they are in the body of the wrong sex.

And the unnamed nursery schoolboy is currently being seen by experts with 20 other boys and three girls aged under 10, a Freedom of Information Request by the Mirror has found.

Thank you for posting this. I found it very interesting. In reading everyones posts here I keep going back to what I had read.  About 10yrs ago or so... I read a book my Mother in law had about going through menopause and the female body. It had a section about estrogen. Simply (going from memory wish I had the book or could remember the name) it suggested that we are putting Xenoestrogens into our enviorment through chemicals like bleach and laundry detergents etc.. They enter into our body and fill our estrogen receptors causing imbalances in our system. It was suggested that animals are effected and birds have been born and suffered from gender identity. A female or male inclined to the same sex. Other birds shun them and they do not have a flock to cling to. This was the first time that I realized that religion is wrong it is not a choice that people make. A baby of 3 yrs old is not making a choice. They are expressing thier internal beliefs and feelings as they come naturally to them. Here is a link to the definition of Xenoestrogen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen)
Thanks again! :)

@Mrs Erocse. This is actually not as uncommon as many people think.

I came out to my parents at age about 4, as long back as the 1960's, and because I was lucky enough to have incredibly progressive and well informed parents I was allowed to grow up somewhat between genders and fully expressing my female identity. They even found schools that could cope with my self expression as an, in my own words "almost-girl" to the extent that I was allowed to take class and sport options usually reserved for girls and indeed to wear a kilt (which to me was a skirt!) to school.

Back then everyone thought it was just a phase and that I would grow out of it, and indeed when I started therapy at 16 that is precisely what the therapist tried (unsuccessfully) to make me do. All he managed was a few years delay... years during which I became increasingly unhappy until aged 24 I finally obtained SRS.  These days I am glad that they start therapy earlier, but I find it disturbing (from other reports that I have read) that some therapists at the portman still seem to concentrate on trying to "straighten out" the youngsters and this, from my own experience, can be profoundly destructive and unhelpful.

In short, good that they are starting to take it seriously, but I wish that there were less doctors who thought that earlier intervention would allow them to "cure" us. You do not need to cure someone from simply being themselves, nor indeed should you try!

Quote from: Mrs Erocse on October 18, 2010, 09:10:39 AM
Thank you for posting this. I found it very interesting. In reading everyones posts here I keep going back to what I had read.  About 10yrs ago or so... I read a book my Mother in law had about going through menopause and the female body. It had a section about estrogen. Simply (going from memory wish I had the book or could remember the name) it suggested that we are putting Xenoestrogens into our enviorment through chemicals like bleach and laundry detergents etc.. They enter into our body and fill our estrogen receptors causing imbalances in our system. It was suggested that animals are effected and birds have been born and suffered from gender identity. A female or male inclined to the same sex. Other birds shun them and they do not have a flock to cling to. This was the first time that I realized that religion is wrong it is not a choice that people make. A baby of 3 yrs old is not making a choice. They are expressing thier internal beliefs and feelings as they come naturally to them. Here is a link to the definition of Xenoestrogen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen)
Thanks again! :)

Birds are abit different, Bird sex determinination works in mirror to our own with the ZW chromosome system, Where ZZ is the "default" setting and will cause a male bird to be born while ZW makes a female There hormones are also fundimentally different in the mechanism of sexualizing the embryo. (In birds Intersex disorders such as ZO and ZWW do not exsist due to fetal morbidity) and castrating a female bird can result in the bird aquiring masculine characteristics.

Estrogen dose not trigger GID or gender specific development in humans as fetuses are exposed to high levels of female hormones regardless of gender these transmit through the placenta. It appears to be Testosersone and other steroids that induce these factors part of this is through work with XX indivduals who suffer congential Adrenial hyperplasia (elevated T levels from the adrenial glands) express upon puberty an increased instance of both GID (As high as 5% of subjects) and attraction to females, (as high as 30%) And I belive is part of the explaination for FTM's pre-T tending to have a higher than the female average level of T in there system.

The phenominion known as "witches milk" where a male newborn lactates and expressed low levels of breast development is indictative of the male fetuses exposure to female hormones at birth.

The Study of Xenoestrogens however is an intresting topic for diminishing levels of male fertility in certain areas of the planet where these chemicals at high dosages appear to encourage specific forms of cancer.

 :) Thanks. I am not sure I can keep up with what you said. I am going to read it again.  You are much more informed than I. :)

Quote from: Mrs Erocse on October 19, 2010, 08:02:07 AM
:) Thanks. I am not sure I can keep up with what you said. I am going to read it again.  You are much more informed than I. :)

That happens a lot on here. One of the reasons this place is so interesting.  :)

Spacial you are right this is an interesting place.
Jenny I enjoy your posts too. Thanks for sharing.