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DMV employee tells transgender woman: You're going to hell
October 27, 2010 10:31 pm

http://calcoastnews.com/2010/10/dmv-employee-tells-transgender-woman-youre-going-to-hell/ (http://calcoastnews.com/2010/10/dmv-employee-tells-transgender-woman-youre-going-to-hell/)

A California Department of Motor Vehicles employee is accused of sending a letter to the home of a Bay Area transgender woman calling her "an abomination" and telling her that she is going to hell.

A press release from the San Francisco Transgender Law Center claims that Amber Yust, a transgender woman living in San Francisco, went to the San Francisco Department of Motor Vehicles earlier this month to change her name on her driver's license.

Last Monday, Yust received a letter from the person who had processed her name change at the DMV. In the letter, which had been mailed to her at home, the DMV employee quoted from the Bible and stated that Yust had made a "very evil decision." The strongly-worded letter told Yust that she was "an abomination" and said that homosexuals should be put to death.

Quote"This was an egregious act committed by a government employee," said Masen Davis, Executive Director of the Transgender Law Center. "Transgender people deserve to be treated with respect at agencies like the DMV. What happened to Amber is despicable, and we intend to do everything we can to hold the responsible parties accountable and to prevent this from happening again."

I would think that such an abuse of a government position is a serious criminal offense whoever it is directed at.

Telling anyone they should be killed and suggesting a fate of hell.

Words fail me,

Addition.

Found this, which is apparently a copy of the letter:

http://i.imgur.com/cXxOp.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/cXxOp.jpg)

It was found here: http://www.->-bleeped-<-.com/r/atheism/comments/dxivc/ (//http:///r/atheism/comments/dxivc/)

I think Thomas is going to find out first hand what being fired is all about.  Let his version of a hateful God pay his bill.

Had it been me, Thomas and I would meet to discuss it,  IN A COURT OF LAW. 

Looks like someone is getting their SRS funded by thomas or the state or both.  Wow, thats a lot of laws broken...

As I said in another thread about this, I pray for the day they cure, 'stupid'.  >:(


Dawn

As God made Eve from Adam's rib, so Surgeon made vagina from trans woman's penis.

The misuse of religion and the Bible is bad enough. Though I tend to believe this is just an excuse. Much like all these idiots who claim religion to justify their disgraceful behaviour.

This is threatening behaviour, malfeasance, and gross misconduct.

This is, by any defination, a criminal matter and the person responsible should be arrested.

Quote from: Arch on October 28, 2010, 02:44:51 PM
As God made Eve from Adam's rib, so Surgeon made vagina from trans woman's penis.

And he doth make an inny from an outy and it was good.

Quote from: spacial on October 28, 2010, 04:49:40 PM
The misuse of religion and the Bible is bad enough. Though I tend to believe this is just an excuse. Much like all these idiots who claim religion to justify their disgraceful behaviour.

This is threatening behaviour, malfeasance, and gross misconduct.

This is, by any defination, a criminal matter and the person responsible should be arrested.

Well you cant arrest him for being himself, but during business you are supposed to do your job accordingly and not misuse private information for personal use.  So at most fired, but not arrested.  Typically i find people that think this way and refuse to see any reasoning as people that have issues outside of what they hate.  Their lives are going poorly so they need an outlet, hating TS, blaming TS or Gay, or a race on your problems is easier then realizing you take responsibility for your own state in life.  Thats why hate is so popular, people dont have a home, they are abused by their family, so they join the KKK or other hate groups to fit in.  Sad but thats the way the world is, we are kind of the scapegoats for the stresses of ignorant people.

Ew. This is what happens when people take religion too seriously and want to salvage people from Hell. I'm pretty sure the Thomas in question really did feel he had to save the person who received the letter. One more reason to add to my "Why Not to Adhere to a Religion" list.

This is just hilarious.... sure it's shocking at first glance but then the lols just roll in. wow.... I'd take him to court for an easy win and a huge fat chunk of money.... laughing the whole way.  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

Quote from: Muffin on October 28, 2010, 09:09:47 PM
This is just hilarious.... sure it's shocking at first glance but then the lols just roll in. wow.... I'd take him to court for an easy win and a huge fat chunk of money.... laughing the whole way. :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

If you are desperate for SRS finding an found a cold person serving you at the DMV, what better way to get funding than to mail yourself a letter and claim it is from the DMV clerk. How many letters do you sign with only your first name when sending it to anyone outside of family.  The accusation may be true or it may not be.
I want to know which before I vilify either.

Quote from: Dee_pntx on October 28, 2010, 08:17:46 PM
I'm shocked that this didn't happen in texASS...

exactly! i was thinking "where did this happen, the south? CALIFORNIA?!

Quote from: Dawn D. on October 28, 2010, 02:09:51 PM
As I said in another thread about this, I pray for the day they cure, 'stupid'.  >:(


Dawn

amen to that, when will people wake up?

Quote from: LordKAT on October 28, 2010, 09:53:07 PM
I want to know which before I vilify either.

Oh naturally for sures..... but in all reality I'd probably just throw it in the bin or add it to the pile ..if I had a pile already *shrugs*. So glad I don't live in America >____<

Quote from: LordKAT on October 28, 2010, 09:53:07 PM
If you are desperate for SRS finding an found a cold person serving you at the DMV, what better way to get funding than to mail yourself a letter and claim it is from the DMV clerk. How many letters do you sign with only your first name when sending it to anyone outside of family.  The accusation may be true or it may not be.
I want to know which before I vilify either.

I'm waiting for an investigation before I weigh in on this particular situation. Could be just another amputated finger hoax.

But even if it is a hoax, so many idiots out there actually think the same things that the letter says.

If it is real, then it is the most polite sounding hate letter I have ever seen. 

Quote from: Muffin on October 28, 2010, 10:08:43 PM
Oh naturally for sures..... but in all reality I'd probably just throw it in the bin or add it to the pile ..if I had a pile already *shrugs*. So glad I don't live in America >____<

If I got a letter like that, I would probably have a good laugh and then show it off to everyone I know so we could laugh at it together.   I used to keep a collection of weird angry letters strangers had written me when I accidentally parked in their parking spot or something like that.  I remember one said, "I hope your child grows up to be retarded and deformed and miserable," and I don't even have a child, and all I did was park too close to their driveway (they could still get in and out).

Anyway, assuming this is legit, the person should be fired for misuse of private information and harassing a customer.  Government jobs tend to have clear rules about when you can fire someone, and when you should fire someone.  Violations that serious, accompanied by a paper trail, would probably put one in the "should be fired" category.

yeah it will be interesting to see what happens...  :P  :P

This story has given me a great idea, though. Anybody know where I can get hold of an amputated finger?

I would imagine that such an unprofessional behavior of a State of California employee will not likely be well tolerated...

It will be interesting to see how this turns out and how much stuff hits the fan

Amputated finger?  :P

A finger? Just send them a pack of animal innards with a note saying "too late". lol.

You just can't ; I'm pretty sure it's illegal (AND highly gross and of bad taste) to use a person's parts for jokes.

Quote from: Izumi on October 28, 2010, 07:41:45 PM
Well you cant arrest him for being himself, but during business you are supposed to do your job accordingly and not misuse private information for personal use. 

As I suggested. The letter is threatening (with intent) and borne out of malfeasance.

I assume these are both criminal offenses in the US?

Quote from: Dee_pntx on October 29, 2010, 05:29:19 AM
No.  And especially no if it's directed to gender variant folks..

I am truely sorry to hear that.

I remember my brother coming back from his work's sexual harassment training and noting that it is apparently legal to harass trans people.   :-\

Quote from: Dee_pntx on October 29, 2010, 05:01:00 PM
Trans folks in the US have no rights or protections at all and it's 100% acceptable and encouraged for people to discriminate against us..

Some states have very good protection.

Quote from: Dee_pntx on October 29, 2010, 05:01:00 PM
Trans folks in the US have no rights or protections at all and it's 100% acceptable and encouraged for people to discriminate against us..

Actually Oregon has very good laws in place to protect us.  And it is not acceptable or encouraged for people to discriminate against us.  It may be so in Texa$$ but not here.

Speaking of TexA$$... The Rangers are down two games to zero against the SF Giants in the World Series  :laugh:

*Runs to hide* ... He He  >:-)

LOLZ... From what I can tell, there are allot of sporty girls about... But I live in 2010... The stereo typical gender norms of yesteryears ago just seem silly to me... Period  :laugh:

Besides, I'm not a man hater... Period  :laugh:

And I don't need to be a potty mouth to make my point

Have a lovely evening and a beautiful tomorrow

Anyhow, back to the original subject

Ask California DMV to Investigate Transphobic Incident

Sign the petition

http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/california_dmv_employee_turns_name_change_into_harassment (http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/california_dmv_employee_turns_name_change_into_harassment)

Sign petition.

Quote from: Laura91 on October 29, 2010, 10:42:45 PM
In Soviet Russia, petition signs you. :P (I signed it)

hahahaha i know where ya go that, i would sign too if ya didn't have to sign your full name, address and everything on it, that's a huge privacy issue.

I just used a made-up name/address/email/etc ...vote still counts and I don't feel exposed. ^__^

Soo, if the cutting of the flesh is such a mortal sin. Why aren't the chritians outside of all hospitals protesting all operations and telling surgeons that they are going to hell!?

If true, this person should be arrested,  the trust that we are FORCED to give to public officials should not be allowed to be abused in this way >:-)

Yeeeeah one day.....one day............... the world might be awesome...
I wanted just a link :( (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THDamlNsuuA#)

Quote from: MillieB on October 31, 2010, 12:20:42 AM
Soo, if the cutting of the flesh is such a mortal sin. Why aren't the chritians outside of all hospitals protesting all operations and telling surgeons that they are going to hell!?

I was kind of thinking that all of those circumcised Christians are in a very unenviable position with regard to heaven and hell...but then, those infants didn't cut themselves; somebody else did it. And I'm too lazy to investigate the original passage and find out the context and full meaning.

Quote from: Arch on October 31, 2010, 12:34:45 AM
I was kind of thinking that all of those circumcised Christians are in a very unenviable position with regard to heaven and hell...but then, those infants didn't cut themselves; somebody else did it. And I'm too lazy to investigate the original passage and find out the context and full meaning.

Dee is right.  It is also call Abraham's covenant.

Quote from: Genesis 17:10-14 (King James Version)

10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Sorry for the side tracking

Quote from: Dee_pntx on October 31, 2010, 01:47:57 AM
That comes from the Torah.  It's a Jewish thing by origin.  BTW, the "Old Testament" IS the Jewish Torah.

I know; I was trying to refer to the passage about not cutting your flesh or whatever. The passage from the letter. Sorry I wasn't clear on that.