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For me, I do love both, buuuut Star Trek wins for me. I love the detail in it for continuity. It's just the right amount, enough to get immersed but not too much to overwhelm you.


Star Wars however has the best table top RPG I have ever played, and i have both Trek and wars.

Sorry my Dear, but I have to go with Star Wars.  It CGI is a lot better, IMHP.  And the whole story line of how Vader becomes Vader and the back story of his own son destroying and freeing him.

Give in the the Passion, Jessica, and come to the Dark side.

Ah! My arch rival! Lol.

Lucas graphics are truly some of the best. Vader is almost a modern Romeo in how he loses Padme. Plus, Star Wars has Boba Deft and Han Solo...The Solo man!


But I still think Treks Picard could out wit Vader.^_^

I love how Star Trek tackled controversairy issues before their time and subtley ... like when it visited a planet where everyone was in a same sex relationship and you were wrong if you were hetero.

Star Wars for me, though I like both.

No contest for me, Star Wars is a stunning epic love story that somehow managed to enthrall millions of young boys with the inclusion of some lasers and the worlds best baddie!

It also has Wookies! :laugh:

Not to mention ... Ewoks  ;D

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Too CUTE

Yes! Ewoks rule! Named my gnomes I play on WoW alp Whicket after the ewok from SW. And my new female gnome is Whickette. Lol.

Hrmm....Jar Jar Binks...vs...Shatner.  *shudder*  Is there a 3rd option? 

Stargate maybe?  :D

Instead of thinking of the Shat, why not use Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Franks, or even Michael Dorn. At least they talk with out the Shattner Pause. Lol.

Quote from: JessicaG on December 02, 2010, 06:10:25 AM
Instead of thinking of the Shat, why not use Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Franks, or even Michael Dorn. At least they talk with out the Shattner Pause. Lol.

Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi) Loved her! Think that might be why I bacame a counsellor :) and a Betazoid, (Okay, I'm not really a Betazoid! :P)

Another fan of both here.  I voted Trek because I love to hear the 23rd century pseudo-science.  Also, Q.

I'm not really that fond of either, but Trek wins out because it has DS9.

Quote from: Kay on December 01, 2010, 11:09:08 PM
Hrmm....Jar Jar Binks...vs...Shatner.  *shudder*  Is there a 3rd option? 

Stargate maybe?  :D

Now, there is something I can get behind :D !

Posters, kree! I am your god, Apophis, and you will vote for me!

Quote from: E on December 02, 2010, 11:38:13 AM
I'm not really that fond of either, but Trek wins out because it has DS9.
Now, there is something I can get behind :D !

Posters, kree! I am your god, Apophis, and you will vote for me!

DS9 was without doubt my favourite of the Star trek brand. Never watched Star Gate :embarrassed:

Quote from: MillieB on December 02, 2010, 11:47:38 AM
DS9 was without doubt my favourite of the Star trek brand. Never watched Star Gate :embarrassed:

Stargate is worth watching if you like well-written, pulpy, light-hearted entertainment, with strong and well-portrayed characters, where good guys and bad guys are generally easy to tell apart, and everything turns out alright in the end. Well, SG-1 is - in Atlantis it gets a lot more morally grey on both ends. Not to say that SG-1 doesn't go some fairly dark places - just that it's rare.

That said, it's not high art or anything. But I enjoy it a great deal, particularly because of how light-hearted it is.

It's also a huge contrast with Star Trek, because Stargate's humor actually works very well - Window of Opportunity is the funniest single episode of any sci-fi show I've ever watched - whereas Trek's attempts had a tendency to fall flat (or worse - Profits and Lace, anyone >:( ?).


DS9 was very good. Or, it became very good, right about season... 4, I think? I just wish they'd gotten rid of their attempted humor-centered episodes, since those were generally atrocious. But the arc where DS9 was occupied by the Dominion and the Cardassians was incredible.

Actually I like Stargate Universe.  Pretty good to combine both the Gates and a ship.

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Okay I'm a huge SCI-FI fan and I DO love Star Trek since I credit ST for making me love scifi in  general BUT I also LOVE Star Wars and it was the one movie that moved me away from my hometown and in too the film/TV industry. Not only that, but I Cosplay and make helmets and armor with my wifey to show off at Cons and charities. Nerds Rock!  :P
May The Force Be With YOU
&
Live Long and Prosper!


p.s. and Nanoo-Nanoo ( 'member that?...can you name what show that is from?)

Quote from: Stephanie.Izann on December 02, 2010, 01:30:42 PM


p.s. and Nanoo-Nanoo ( 'member that?...can you name what show that is from?)

Oh god, I even used to do the handsign!! :o

I was very young, honest!!!! :laugh:

Nanu nanu!

Mork and mindy!

I made this cause I know alot of people like both. Lol. Never seen Stargate but heard good about it. Just don't have tv to check it out.

Another SCI-FI fan here.
Between the two and I like them both Star Wars get it.
But my all time favorite was the series Babylon 5.
As far as Star Trek I still enjoy the original series and DS9 the most.
Movies, I like 1953 Version of War of The Worlds film starring Gene Barry and Ann Robinson.
Oh and Robinson Crusoe on Mars 1964.
Jurassic Park
Mission to Mars 2000.
Avatar
...
;D
Told you I loved SCI-Fi
Jillieann

Shazbot!! :D

Yes, Mork and Mindy were cute.

Quote from: Jillieann on December 02, 2010, 05:55:43 PM
But my all time favorite was the series Babylon 5.

Currently watching that with my girlfriend - her first time through. The series is even better than I'd remembered, and it was already my favorite :) .

I like your taste in shows E.
It is the best SCI-FI series I have every seen and I have seen most of them.
;D

The first few seasons of Babylon 5 were amazing.   Then it started to get a little silly.    I won't go into the spin offs and how bad the movies where.

I have to say that I like Star Trek more than Star Wars, only because that series has continued to evolve over time.   Lucas' idea of evolving Star Wars is digitally removing characters and replacing them with CGI or other actors.

Quote from: Jillieann on December 02, 2010, 06:16:12 PM
I like your taste in shows E.
It is the best SCI-FI series I have every seen and I have seen most of them.
;D

Thanks :) . Likewise ;D !

Quote from: Epigania on December 02, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
The first few seasons of Babylon 5 were amazing.   Then it started to get a little silly.    I won't go into the spin offs and how bad the movies where.

IMO, seasons 1-4, The Gathering, and In The Beginning make up Babylon 5. The rest is some other series that happened to share the name.

Quote from: Epigania on December 02, 2010, 11:23:15 PM
The first few seasons of Babylon 5 were amazing.   Then it started to get a little silly.    I won't go into the spin offs and how bad the movies where.

I have to say that I like Star Trek more than Star Wars, only because that series has continued to evolve over time.   Lucas' idea of evolving Star Wars is digitally removing characters and replacing them with CGI or other actors.

As far as I'm concerned, Star Wars means the ORIGINAL trilogy, the way it was released, not with any additional Lucas 'tinkering.' Yes, han not only shot first. he was the only one who shot at all, so say, "Han shot" not "Han shot first."

The expanded Star Trek-verse offers more diversity - and a massive range in quality - than the expanded Star Wars-verse (canon and otherwise). But if the original movies are on, like they were last weekend as a marathon, I'm still more likely to put on Star Wars than anything in the Trek world, and when I covet items on Think Geek, it's wampa rugs, tauntaun sleeping bags, and jedi robes.

Of course, I also believe that I have the Force and that's what gets me sandwiches from the kitchen. This IS the sandwich I am looking for...

I've only seen a few star trek's with Patrick Stewart and they were enjoyable, but i prefer the original star wars mostly because they were a big part of my life growing up.

my favorite sci-fi of all time would have to be "crest of the stars" though. truly epic

Quote from: MillieB on December 02, 2010, 05:56:38 PM
Shazbot!! :D

Bless you...LOL Yeah, I know it's from Mork and Mindy! :P

Apples and oranges, space is the only thing they have in common (and, at that, it's two very different universes, species wise, physics wise and in terms of set-designers too).  One's an epic quest to the heart of the immortal battle between good and evil, the other is - as originally pitched to Lucille Ball after she let finally Gene Roddenberry into her office at Desilu and said: "In one sentence."  The reply: "Wagon Train to the Stars."^*  True story.

a) real actors - Harrison Ford or William Shatner?  Alex Guinnes or DeForest Kelley.  Really?  And Carie Fisher was not only hotter than all the women of Star Trek, her scene on Jabba the Hut's sand-ship alone is hotter than all of women of Star Trek combined.

b) Real Director - few things are more powerful than a single artistic vision.  Trek because of the TV series deal had lots of writers, even more re-writers, and different directors.  Wars had Lucas. The difference is huge.  Wars is one consistent product, while Trek is highly uneven, ranging from Awesome to Camp.

c) Real Money - Movies or TV?  Oh, I don't know, how about the difference between sleeping in a doorway on cardboard vs. staying in a luxury suite.  TV is about cheap, cheap, cheap - making movies is an exercise in spending money that gives the big-money boys at the Pentagon a hard-on. That difference is pretty damn clear too.  Trek is, because it is, kinda cheap, shoddy, all gimmick and no depth.  Trek sets look like, because they are, put together with the '40 foot rule' in mind.**  The Wars sets are still considered visionary.  The models even more-so.  Nothing was done on Trek that could not be done on a sound stage (cheep) and Lucas only used sound-stages as a last resort preferring the infinitely more expensive location shooting.

No where is this more apparent than in the aliens (pretty much the heart of any space saga).  All the aliens on Trek look like really bad college theater projects with latex, but the aliens on Wars, the Ewoks, Chewbacca, Jabba - those things are truly theatrical magic because they are good enough for you to actually think they are real.  Think on that for a bit.


Interesting theory about Star Trek is that it's a very thinly veiled parable of the Cold War with the US (The Federation), the USSR (Klingons) and China (Romulans).  {interesting note: my on-line spell checker has Klingon in it, but not Romulan, humm).  It's all very much a graduate school drinking game but it's kinda fun to play.


* - Props in the real world to Star Trek, which had the first inter-racial kiss on network television.
** - Broadway sets pretty much set this standard.  They are built and painted so they look right from 40 feet away, you get close up, it's like kinda icck.  Elvis's stage costumes are the same way.  So is your favorite metal band, those amps, mostly dummies.

As always, Tekla, your analysis is not only deep but a blast to read.

Quote from: tekla on December 03, 2010, 01:36:38 PM
Apples and oranges, space is the only thing they have in common (and, at that, it's two very different universes, species wise, physics wise and in terms of set-designers too).  One's an epic quest to the heart of the immortal battle between good and evil, the other is - as originally pitched to Lucille Ball after she let finally Gene Roddenberry into her office at Desilu and said: "In one sentence."  The reply: "Wagon Train to the Stars."^*  True story.

b) Real Director - few things are more powerful than a single artistic vision.  Trek because of the TV series deal had lots of writers, even more re-writers, and different directors.  Wars had Lucas. The difference is huge.  Wars is one consistent product, while Trek is highly uneven, ranging from Awesome to Camp.

c) Real Money - Movies or TV?  Oh, I don't know, how about the difference between sleeping in a doorway on cardboard vs. staying in a luxury suite.  TV is about cheap, cheap, cheap - making movies is an exercise in spending money that gives the big-money boys at the Pentagon a hard-on. That difference is pretty damn clear too.  Trek is, because it is, kinda cheap, shoddy, all gimmick and no depth.  Trek sets look like, because they are, put together with the '40 foot rule' in mind.**  The Wars sets are still considered visionary.  The models even more-so.  Nothing was done on Trek that could not be done on a sound stage (cheep) and Lucas only used sound-stages as a last resort preferring the infinitely more expensive location shooting.

No where is this more apparent than in the aliens (pretty much the heart of any space saga).  All the aliens on Trek look like really bad college theater projects with latex, but the aliens on Wars, the Ewoks, Chewbacca, Jabba - those things are truly theatrical magic because they are good enough for you to actually think they are real.  Think on that for a bit.


Interesting theory about Star Trek is that it's a very thinly veiled parable of the Cold War with the US (The Federation), the USSR (Klingons) and China (Romulans).  {interesting note: my on-line spell checker has Klingon in it, but not Romulan, humm).  It's all very much a graduate school drinking game but it's kinda fun to play.

The immortal battle between good and evil or, you know, a soap opera set in space with a bunch of teddy bears with sticks.  ;) Darth Vader *is* one of the most complex characters of cinema, but let's not act like Lucas was the master of all things film (hello - dialogue anyone?). The difference is that once upon a time, he had other people who would collaborate and tell him when he was making a mistake, and he later lost that to a bunch of yes-men (hi Jar Jar!). Lucas also has a magical ret-conning ability where he has actually convinced himself that he had it all figured out (yeah, that's why Luke had the hots for his sister) rather than combining sheer visionary genius with a good team to work with and a great deal of luck in hitting a niche market at the right time.

Of course, Industrial Light & Magic has brought all sorts of wonders ever since it's creation. Hey, without it, we wouldn't even have Mythbusters.

The Star Trek Cold War subtext was not even thinly veiled.  ;)

@Seven: Not sure I've ever picked anyone up with jedi mind tricks before. That they know of, at least. hehe.

Oh, and I have to credit Star Trek for giving us the world's best villian ever: Wil Wheaton. Mr. Wheaton: bortaS bIr jablu'DI' reH QaQqu' nay'

but let's not act like Lucas was the master of all things film
Who said that, I though it was a straight up Wars v. Trek deal - it's not like either are even the best space film.  But, they are iconic like it or not.  And I was just trying to point out that comparing TV Shows (the wallpaper for the marching morons) to movies (the true 20th Century art form) is always a fake comparison as neither are like the other at all.

And
(hello - dialogue anyone?)
It's also possible to criticize Led Zeppelin for not writing enough oboe soles into their songs either.  It's just that no one cares.  People who like dialogue can go to The Theatre and watch Waiting for Godet. 

Every Mo-Fo in Hollywood Lucas also has a magical ret-conning ability where he has actually convinced himself that he had it all figured out
FIFY

Quote from: tekla on December 03, 2010, 03:07:25 PM
but let's not act like Lucas was the master of all things film
Who said that, I though it was a straight up Wars v. Trek deal - it's not like either are even the best space film.  But, they are iconic like it or not.  And I was just trying to point out that comparing TV Shows (the wallpaper for the marching morons) to movies (the true 20th Century art form) is always a fake comparison as neither are like the other at all.

The two are so similar that the border gets fuzzy at times - no other two media in existence are as close as those two. It's like comparing hardback comic books with monthly comic books. And while movies do reach a higher standard, you'd have a damn hard time convincing me that "Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo" has more artistic merit than "The Inner Light". As always, blanket statements about an entire medium tend to be somewhat inadequte.

The one and only thing that makes me favor TV shows is that a TV show is longer. Thus, it can explore a situation and its ramifications in much more depth. True, most don't - but then again, I don't watch most shows. If I want art, I watch a movie. But mostly, I just want entertainment to kill some time with.

I suddenly have flashbacks of a discussion with a group of friends on why a fireball didn't just incinerate my spellbook in college.   I dunno why ...

<Evil Grins>

Quote from: Seven on December 03, 2010, 02:26:17 PM
John Williams.

That's all.

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Definitely.  Williams is awesome.  :) 
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Honestly, in regards to Star Wars/Lucas...I just have two words:  "Free Hat"  (any South Park fan will understand)  ;)

Star Trek - espically Voyager

i'd say star wars, but red dwarf is better than either ;)

Tis Star Trek for me... uber alas...

As the Lucas engineered space soap-opera fable franchise... tis so limited in fact.

At least all that's Trekkie paints the 'future' at its altruistic best.... with all groups/types/tribes/sexes working together.... in meritocracy driven harmony for the collective greater good....

(Albeit as/for the Federation)

And who cannot like this as a golden rule for still future focused NASA?

"Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its mission, to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before."

What more could be sensibly added to this? Tis simply .... beautiful as an idea and concept.....

Live long and prosper!

You see that's what I liked about the final few series of DS9, it kind of tore the whole facade of the federation altruistic utopia to shreds and showed that Starfleet was pretty much the same as any military strong arm when thier backs were up against the wall, complete with shadowy organisations and such!

Without any doubt (IMHO) Star Trek's finest moments.

DS9 was an ok show, but I never could get into it.   And I actually disliked the Soap Opera feel that it had a lot of the time.   I think it's because it was about a space station and they weren't really discovering much.  (Until they got the cloaking ship at least.)

I have to say that my favorite of the different Star Trek Series was Voyager.   TNG was cheesy the first couple seasons, but it got to be good, but it started having that DS9 Drama feel to it at the end.

When they did Voyager, they got back into the Space Adventure aspect of the show's past and it was fun to watch.

Enterprise was an "ok" show, but they effectively destroyed Star Trek's Cannon with no regard to the fan reaction.  I think if they had at least TRIED to follow cannon, that show would have had a long life.

I will not go into the pros and cons of the various science fiction tv shows and movies as there is so very little I do not really like.  Suffice to say I love science fiction genre.

I will leave it up to you, to guess how I voted.

Live long and prosper
Sarah B

Wow, good results so far. Split pretty even Nd has been. It's good to see so many sci fi fans.

Wow!
Your right Jessica.
Wonder if there is a correlation between TS and SciFi ? ;)
Jillieann

There does seem to be a correlation between ts and being a bit nerdy! :P

I think that the sci fi thing is a bi product! :laugh:

Does 'Alf' count as Sci Fi? :laugh:

I prefer star wars, it's more fun

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in a past life I wrote a little something about starwars

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Neither,   Doctor Who

I just knew someone out there would be a Doctor Who fan.
When I'm in the right mood, I watch the show. And occasional I like it.
;D  ;)
Jillieann

I'm a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek. I like the original Star Wars Trilogy and my favorite seasons of Star Trek are with Will Shatner as Captain Kirk.

Star Wars all the way for me, I couldn't really get into Star Trek much but I can see why others do.

Unfortunately the Star Wars franchise is still reeling from the shock of the 'Wookieleaks' revelations!! >:-) :P >:-)

Millie, that's a real groaner. ;D

Quote from: MillieB on December 10, 2010, 03:01:16 AM
Unfortunately the Star Wars franchise is still reeling from the shock of the 'Wookieleaks' revelations!! >:-) :P >:-)

The situation does look a little "hairy"!

I think Millie was referring to the #Wookieleaks that went (semi?) viral a while back and is a fun read for Star Wars geeks. If you haven't checked it out, do a search for it.

Aww, you ruined a perfectly good pun! :D

I love star trek because they seek peaceful solutions. However I play a star wars video game clones vs droids. I don't play the human vs human version because I don't like the idea of killing another human

I like both, but I prefer Star Wars because it's essentially escapist fantasy with sci-fi paint on it. Trek is actually science fiction and deals with overcoming problems and issues, which is fine if that's the mood I'm in. But I've always been a sucker for fantasy.

In that sense you get the best of both worlds with Star Wars - you get the tech and the traveling to other worlds as well as all the force wizarding and destiny junk.   

Unlike a lot of sci-fi, Trek is actually positive and uplifting instead of dystopian. Star Wars is closer to dystopian than Trek. Things aren't shiny and pretty and idealistic in the Star Wars OT.

Star Trek

Always

Star Trek

DS9 is very special to me ive seen it thrice over and i could still watch it all again

I like both a lot, but overall... I dunno, Star Wars feels like it has a larger scope to to everything, and I like that. Particularly with certain expanded universe stuff like the Old Republic time line. Plus, I've been a cliche Boba Fett lover forever.

Though honestly, I sort of preferred Stargate to both. I just always liked Stargate.

For me its like

Star Trek > Stargate > Star Wars

I love all of them really

I've never really been into Star Wars all that much. I prefer Star Trek, and especially the reboot movies that have been made recently. I love those. I think the new crew gels wonderfully, and Chris Pine has really got into the Kirk role. Although Anton Yelchin will be sorely missed.

Not to mention both Zachary Quinto and Sofia Boutella are kinda hot. :embarrassed:

I've seen those three movies several times now, and honestly I could re-watch them any time.

Quote from: Sephirah on January 21, 2018, 01:39:20 AM
I've never really been into Star Wars all that much. I prefer Star Trek, and especially the reboot movies that have been made recently. I love those. I think the new crew gels wonderfully, and Chris Pine has really got into the Kirk role. Although Anton Yelchin will be sorely missed.

Not to mention both Zachary Quinto and Sofia Boutella are kinda hot. :embarrassed:

I've seen those three movies several times now, and honestly I could re-watch them any time.

"Life Long & Prosper"......

One thing I do like about Trek is the vision of the future. Earth has solved its major problems, and humans proved themselves worthy to be a part of a wider universe and go exploring. That the crew of the ships are sort of like, still human (or alien, but clearly relateable to) but obviously live in an environment where they all work toward something together and use their brains seems wonderfully outlandish.

I like the Mass Effect world, too, sort of in between Trek and SWars.

Quote from: Sephirah on January 21, 2018, 01:39:20 AM
I've never really been into Star Wars all that much. I prefer Star Trek, and especially the reboot movies that have been made recently. I love those. I think the new crew gels wonderfully, and Chris Pine has really got into the Kirk role. Although Anton Yelchin will be sorely missed.

Not to mention both Zachary Quinto and Sofia Boutella are kinda hot. :embarrassed:

I've seen those three movies several times now, and honestly I could re-watch them any time.

I was a little disappointed in them. The first one was excellent as the start of a new timeline. Second one then was amazing for the first... 80% of the movie or so, but dear god was that ending anti climatic. (Also thought the attempt at a wrath of khan parallel was a little on the lame side, was unnecessary and they didn't even stick with it.) Beyond was a bit of the reverse of 2 for me, in that I thought the bulk of the movie was just a string of missed opportunities (there was so much mystery ignored with the ancient civilization), but then after stuff started to fall into place with Idris Elba it got really good near the end. Still, not quite enough for me to be particularly happy with the movie, Simon Pegg has written far better stuff.

Quote from: Viktor on January 21, 2018, 10:07:21 AM
I like the Mass Effect world, too, sort of in between Trek and SWars.

I love that feel to the world of ME as well. That is part of the attraction to the Old Republic era games for me, where the Star Wars world very much has that feel to it (which the first was the same Bioware team and the direct precursor for ME). I still haven't been able to make myself play Andromeda after the ending to 3 though. (I hadn't read anything about the ending before hand to avoid spoilers, and completely independent of the growing community anger at the time, I was just honestly furious. I played ME1 and 2 so freaking much it is ridiculous, loved every second of 3 up until the very end... then just... that.)

Honestly I haven't played 3 or Andromeda properly yet. I heard about the fans hating on them, for the ending of 3 and the quality of Andromeda and have just decided not to bother with for now. ME1/2 though - loved them. I kind of wish they'd stretched the "find Saren" plotline out over 3 games and had other things going on in between rather than the story they finally went with.

Quote from: Viktor on January 21, 2018, 10:07:21 AM
One thing I do like about Trek is the vision of the future. Earth has solved its major problems, and humans proved themselves worthy to be a part of a wider universe and go exploring. That the crew of the ships are sort of like, still human (or alien, but clearly relateable to) but obviously live in an environment where they all work toward something together and use their brains seems wonderfully outlandish.

I like the Mass Effect world, too, sort of in between Trek and SWars.

Good point, well taken.  I like to think that we have matured as a species and sometimes that's true.  However, we have countries and some peoples that are still in the stone age mentally and view power as what's good and subjecting other also.

We're watching Deathstar Galactica this morning...<running away>

Quote from: Devlyn on October 07, 2018, 04:05:46 AM
We're watching Deathstar Galactica this morning...<running away>

XD XD XD

This is such a hot button topic. Honestly, I think they are, and were trying to be, very different things, Star Wars and Star Trek.

I enjoy Star Wars, yet I actually always had a hard time taking Star Wars seriously, as it had an immaculate lack of any empirical science or backstory cohesiveness at all. We know virtually very little other than a classic story of a tyrannical regime being fought by a resistance, with a few different key players, just on a galactic scale.

Weapons, walker's, fighter's, etc designs are ridiculous in Star Wars, and are competely and utterly tactically devoid of reason, making the entire scenario highly unrealistic. Transportation vehicles of all kinds seem like something people in the 1800's would think of, not in the 20th century. Also how most species and groups beyond jedi and central storyline races seem, and are painted as completely stupid, etc,  I could go on for quite a long time. I just can't take it seriously.

Star Wars, much like the original Star Trek series, to me, is like an older James bond movie (when people were still allowed to actually have fun watching one and the writing wasn't dry as 3 million year old terd sitting in death valley) It was meant to be fun, a thrill-ride, a nice adventure that inspired the imagination, yet usually sexist or in some way ethically flawed, and its creativity was only in show, rather than substance.

Does it make for a great series to watch and eat snacks? Certainly! Does it cary pleasant nostalgia for some people? I'm certain it does.
Would I ever rewatch any of them like I do with Star Trek? No, because I don't see anything there worth gleaning again. 

I tried to watch Star Trek (old one). Though back then I found it a little boring I liked that athmosphere of adventuring, exploration, space pioneering, first contacts and etc. New movies are lacking this I think, it's more just sci-fi action.

As for Star Wars... Well, first trilogy looks a little stupid (sorry fans, I know somebody grown up on watching and reading SW but not me), second trilogy have beautiful saberfighting, and it's pity that they decided to stop making movies, I wish third trilogy exist (sarcasm). In Star Wars I hate one damn thing - it's too black vs white. Bioware changed it a little in it's games though.

So, what do I choose? Despite all cons, I'd choose SW right now. But likely it's because I more familiar with it (and I extended my knowledge beyond movies - KoTOR 1&2, SW: TOR, Clone Wars, some books). I see potential of this universe and even realise it once in one forum RPG.

Definitely Star Trek.

Quote from: Kylo on January 21, 2018, 10:07:21 AM
One thing I do like about Trek is the vision of the future.

^^^ This.

I liked the original Star Wars movie because it was fresh and new when it came out.  I was a young student pilot and watched it with my pilot friends.  We almost orgasmed at the scene where Luke flies the X-wing into the canyon on the Death Star.  I think I saw the second movie, but I never watched the others.

Star Trek, on the other hand is immortal.  Sure the special effects in the original series are hokey, but it gave us immortal lines like "He's dead, Jim,"  "Engage" (TNG) etc.  The vision of a cooperative Federation with high ideals and no money-grubbing was fresh and influential at the time, and is still relevant today.

Star Wars is a fantasy with sci-fi elements, and Star Trek is science fiction with a few fantasy elements. That's the first main difference between them.

The other is this: Star Wars presents a much darker picture of humanity than Star Trek. The Star Trek Universe represents the writer's best hopes for humanity, it's meant to be an example of what we could become if we improved as a species, of everything that we could potentially achieve. Humanity in Star Wars is portrayed as warlike and imperialistic, annexing and conquering countless worlds and species and tearing themselves apart through internal conflict, whereas in Star Trek, humanity has moved past its darker ambitions and embraced alien life as something that should be respected and understood. Alien species are never absorbed into the Federation, they're equal partners with humanity. Want and poverty have been eradicated, and even money is barely needed in a society that makes use of replicators.

I think the closest Star Wars gets to being as good as Star Trek is in the Timothy Zahn books, which technically aren't even canon anymore, so idk if those should count.

I second/third Viktor and Roll: Mass Effect was an EXCELLENT blend of the SW/ST styles. I was a little disappointed with Andromeda, but I still finished it, because I love that world, too.

QuoteI second/third Viktor and Roll: Mass Effect was an EXCELLENT blend of the SW/ST styles. I was a little disappointed with Andromeda, but I still finished it, because I love that world, too.

I just decided not to mention this because topic was created for SW and ST, but yeah, I love ME more than this two universe.
And Andromeda was ok. Not super, but ok.

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Oh! Hello cous! I love them both but Star Trek does it for me.

Ok my turn..

For me Star Trek is tops, you can get really involved and know the characters for each series, movies and well space travel for something other than galactic domination. and well Spock !! not to mention the awesome star ships.

Star Wars was good, and I have watched the movies several times and i like them from ep 4 till the last one. hated 1-3, many of the things in star wars the ridiculously huge ships and like small amount of firepower brought to bare. I always went huh? and being a WW2 fan, i easily spotted all the WW2 weapons that have been modified for the films, esp the original films.

best series i have ever seen, and watch once a year is the new battlestar galactica, great story, awesome character development. loved the ending, hated the president.... and the final five.. oh boy..

later off to watch battlestar errr star trek..

Quotebest series i have ever seen, and watch once a year is the new battlestar galactica, great story, awesome character development. loved the ending, hated the president.... and the final five.. oh boy..

Yeah another great series :) And perhaps quite actual for current humanity, we can invent AI pretty soon I think. When we'll have neccessary tech it'll be only matter of time until it will be created officialy or coded by some noname just because he's enthusiastic enough.

Also watched Caprica prequel, but it was boring :(

Quote from: Alice V on October 07, 2018, 04:49:22 PM
Yeah another great series :) And perhaps quite actual for current humanity, we can invent AI pretty soon I think. When we'll have necessary tech it'll be only matter of time until it will be created officially or coded by some noname just because he's enthusiastic enough.

Also watched Caprica prequel, but it was boring :(

i liked blood and chrome  :)

I grew up with Star Trek TV, but I thought the Star Wars movies were better.

special mention to "Space 1999" (moon base alpha)

I have always liked Star Trek but I love the Star Wars movies.

No question: Star Trek