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Title: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Shana A on December 10, 2010, 08:37:12 AM
Post by: Shana A on December 10, 2010, 08:37:12 AM
Satan made you transgender?
Filed by: Bil Browning
December 10, 2010 7:30 AM
http://www.bilerico.com/2010/12/satan_made_you_transgender.php (http://www.bilerico.com/2010/12/satan_made_you_transgender.php)
"Humans are made in the image of God - male and female. Satan, our enemy, hates God, and wants to deface God's likeness wherever he can. We are all sinners, deeply impacted by our own sinfulness and enmity toward God, by the sins of others and by life in a fallen world. Gender confusion is one example of human brokenness... Individuals are male or female. People can't 'transition' from one to the other. I haven't seen a third human gender discovered, and humanity is not 'multi-gendered.'"
-- Focus On The Family blogger Jeff Johnson in a post bemoaning the recent uptick in transgender related news stories.
Filed by: Bil Browning
December 10, 2010 7:30 AM
http://www.bilerico.com/2010/12/satan_made_you_transgender.php (http://www.bilerico.com/2010/12/satan_made_you_transgender.php)
"Humans are made in the image of God - male and female. Satan, our enemy, hates God, and wants to deface God's likeness wherever he can. We are all sinners, deeply impacted by our own sinfulness and enmity toward God, by the sins of others and by life in a fallen world. Gender confusion is one example of human brokenness... Individuals are male or female. People can't 'transition' from one to the other. I haven't seen a third human gender discovered, and humanity is not 'multi-gendered.'"
-- Focus On The Family blogger Jeff Johnson in a post bemoaning the recent uptick in transgender related news stories.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: spacial on December 10, 2010, 11:29:25 AM
Post by: spacial on December 10, 2010, 11:29:25 AM
If..... humans are made in god's image, male and female and Satan wants to deface that image, then how exactly is someone, appearing to be male or female, defacing that image?
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: cynthialee on December 10, 2010, 11:31:49 AM
Post by: cynthialee on December 10, 2010, 11:31:49 AM
No it was Loki who did it!
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Nathan. on December 10, 2010, 11:35:48 AM
Post by: Nathan. on December 10, 2010, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: Dee_pntx on December 10, 2010, 09:36:07 AM
There is no god. Or satan. What a bunch of idiots.
I agree, these people need to grow up and face reality.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Janet_Girl on December 10, 2010, 11:41:01 AM
Post by: Janet_Girl on December 10, 2010, 11:41:01 AM
QuoteHumans are made in the image of God - male and female.
I am sorry but you have that backwards God was made in the image of Man, not mankind, but male.
I do have a question for the writer. You are supposedly a Christian, full of Christian Love. But why do you hate me so? You don't even know me.
You may be a Christian, but love is not what you are full of.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Jillary Woolen Xσx on December 10, 2010, 12:19:07 PM
Post by: Jillary Woolen Xσx on December 10, 2010, 12:19:07 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL so Ridiculous.
Actually come to think of it satan might have Given me a Penis.
that will be My excuse for giving it back when I'm laying in that Hospital bed ;)
Actually come to think of it satan might have Given me a Penis.
that will be My excuse for giving it back when I'm laying in that Hospital bed ;)
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: pantymancan on December 10, 2010, 12:20:15 PM
Post by: pantymancan on December 10, 2010, 12:20:15 PM
I'm a christain and I fight the feeling of sin and guilt of crossdressing everyday! And I know god loves every one of us no matter how screwed up are minds are! I think we will be judged by are heart not our mind. I also know the people on this forum have the biggest hearts I ever seen. Most of the christains out there speak well while haveing a rotten heart.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 01:09:10 PM
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 01:09:10 PM
Satan made me .... cupcakes! Yeah! Devil's Food. Yum.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: VeryGnawty on December 10, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
Post by: VeryGnawty on December 10, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
Satan made me cookies. They are ebil cookies. Very ebil.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Dawn D. on December 10, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
Post by: Dawn D. on December 10, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
I just want to take this man to task! I hate it when there is no opportunity for comments on some of these phobic blogs!
Anyway, from the New International Version of the Bible, Genesis 1:27, " So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."
If you're a non-believer, please disregard what I say here. I'm not bringing this up as a form of religious debate in these forums. We've probably seen enough of that, huh?
My point in the quote is, what in God's creation is so hard for them to see what this verse actually says? It says he created mankind, in other words the 'human being'. It then very clearly states, God created both male and female in God's own IMAGE (singular)! Meaning of course that God is both male and female. Is God gender confused? Why then is it so difficult to contemplate that God might every once in a while, continue to make mankind reflecting more accurately God's own image, both male and female (transgender)? Case closed!
BTW, it also gives credence to my argument that God in fact did not make any mistake when God created me. God knew exactly what God was doing. I AM supposed to be this way (transgender). To the religious goofball, nutjobs out there...................................prove otherwise. Show me where this logic is fallible! They cannot!
Dawn
Anyway, from the New International Version of the Bible, Genesis 1:27, " So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."
If you're a non-believer, please disregard what I say here. I'm not bringing this up as a form of religious debate in these forums. We've probably seen enough of that, huh?
My point in the quote is, what in God's creation is so hard for them to see what this verse actually says? It says he created mankind, in other words the 'human being'. It then very clearly states, God created both male and female in God's own IMAGE (singular)! Meaning of course that God is both male and female. Is God gender confused? Why then is it so difficult to contemplate that God might every once in a while, continue to make mankind reflecting more accurately God's own image, both male and female (transgender)? Case closed!
BTW, it also gives credence to my argument that God in fact did not make any mistake when God created me. God knew exactly what God was doing. I AM supposed to be this way (transgender). To the religious goofball, nutjobs out there...................................prove otherwise. Show me where this logic is fallible! They cannot!
Dawn
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: V M on December 10, 2010, 02:28:30 PM
Post by: V M on December 10, 2010, 02:28:30 PM
Satan is going to make me yet another sinfully delicious dinner tonight >:-)
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 02:35:50 PM
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 02:35:50 PM
it also gives credence to my argument that God in fact did not make any mistake when God created me.
God made Satan too. How's that work with your theory?
God made Satan too. How's that work with your theory?
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: rejennyrated on December 10, 2010, 02:36:10 PM
Post by: rejennyrated on December 10, 2010, 02:36:10 PM
Well for me it was a jolly fun thing to be - so I guess maybe I should thank him then. :-*
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Randi on December 10, 2010, 02:44:41 PM
Post by: Randi on December 10, 2010, 02:44:41 PM
I agree with Dawn in that we are made as BOTH male & female. We all have both kinds of hormones coursing thru our bloodstreams. Yes I am certain that God & us are both male & female in one body.
Randi
Randi
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 02:49:33 PM
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 02:49:33 PM
"My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can"
---Frank Zappa
Still being proved right everyday.
---Frank Zappa
Still being proved right everyday.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Dawn D. on December 10, 2010, 02:51:04 PM
Post by: Dawn D. on December 10, 2010, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: tekla on December 10, 2010, 02:35:50 PM
it also gives credence to my argument that God in fact did not make any mistake when God created me.
God made Satan too. How's that work with your theory?
Too easy Tekla! If you run down that road, well, he made Hitler, Bonaparte, Dalmer, Hussein, etc. etc! They're all in God's image too. I didn't read anything in the Bible about God creating a pause button on freewill. Your actions are yours, not God's! You simply inhabit a physical body of God's image in which your spirit operates from. Of course this all depends upon whether or not you're a believer. For those who don't, none of this applies.
Dawn
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 02:58:21 PM
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 02:58:21 PM
he made Hitler, Bonaparte, Dalmer, Hussein, etc. etc!
Don't forget Jimmy Swaggart and Dick Cheney while you're at it.
Oh yeah, sign me up to bow low and worship that. Really? That's your best argument? Obviously all his 'work' is not all that awesome or wholesome is it?
Don't forget Jimmy Swaggart and Dick Cheney while you're at it.
Oh yeah, sign me up to bow low and worship that. Really? That's your best argument? Obviously all his 'work' is not all that awesome or wholesome is it?
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: pantymancan on December 10, 2010, 03:01:56 PM
Post by: pantymancan on December 10, 2010, 03:01:56 PM
I prefer to error on the side of caution, I believe. It's all in the heart , peace and love in all that we are.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Nathan. on December 10, 2010, 03:08:47 PM
Post by: Nathan. on December 10, 2010, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: pantymancan on December 10, 2010, 03:01:56 PM
I prefer to error on the side of caution, I believe.
Pascal's wager fails so hard.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Dawn D. on December 10, 2010, 03:27:21 PM
Post by: Dawn D. on December 10, 2010, 03:27:21 PM
Tekla, I'm not looking for contention, nor debate. As I stated in my original post to this thread. Arguments about religion and politics are not resolvable and have been through the mill on this and other sites enough, for my liking. Just so you know though, I think maybe you might assume, and quite probably incorrectly so, my personal thoughts about the contexts of religious doctrine and/or creation.
I was simply making a case of conjecture toward the ridiculous utterances of an idiot homo/transphobe who 'thinks' the answer is as simple as they portray. Nothing more, nothing less.
Dawn
I was simply making a case of conjecture toward the ridiculous utterances of an idiot homo/transphobe who 'thinks' the answer is as simple as they portray. Nothing more, nothing less.
Dawn
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: meh on December 10, 2010, 04:05:15 PM
Post by: meh on December 10, 2010, 04:05:15 PM
hail satan!
Ahem...These people are so freaking idiotic.
Ahem...These people are so freaking idiotic.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 04:16:03 PM
Post by: tekla on December 10, 2010, 04:16:03 PM
It's under "Opinions & Editorials". What part of either needs further definition?
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Dawn D. on December 10, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
Post by: Dawn D. on December 10, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
Tekla, I'll stand on all that I said. And reiterate my thoughts, once again, my just previous post.
Find someone else to harass. Your opinions are not reflective of the OP. They are intended to denigrate and harass and nothing more. Being constructive in opining is appreciated. Being belittling because you disagree in thought is not.
Dawn
Find someone else to harass. Your opinions are not reflective of the OP. They are intended to denigrate and harass and nothing more. Being constructive in opining is appreciated. Being belittling because you disagree in thought is not.
Dawn
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Dana Lane on December 10, 2010, 05:02:31 PM
Post by: Dana Lane on December 10, 2010, 05:02:31 PM
I don't believe in heaven or hell but if there does end up being a hell in the end I am going to kick that guy square in the nuts when I see him down there.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: V M on December 10, 2010, 05:25:57 PM
Post by: V M on December 10, 2010, 05:25:57 PM
I don't know about making me transgendered, but apparently Satan has been in the T-shirt business for awhile now
http://www.teamsatan.de/ (http://www.teamsatan.de/) :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
http://www.teamsatan.de/ (http://www.teamsatan.de/) :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Julie Marie on December 10, 2010, 05:35:25 PM
Post by: Julie Marie on December 10, 2010, 05:35:25 PM
Church Lady With Jim and Tammy Faye Baker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw94TwKqH_c#)
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: TheAetherealMeadow on December 10, 2010, 06:08:31 PM
Post by: TheAetherealMeadow on December 10, 2010, 06:08:31 PM
QuoteI haven't seen a third human gender discovered, and humanity is not 'multi-gendered.'"
Tell that to all the intersex people out there. And last time I checked, transsexuals are not a "third gender". What a bunch of ->-bleeped-<-s, they criticize us but don't even know anything about us.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Randi on December 10, 2010, 06:29:22 PM
Post by: Randi on December 10, 2010, 06:29:22 PM
Thanks Julie, I was hoping someone would post a link to the Church Lady-That was a good one.
Randi
Randi
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: tekla on December 11, 2010, 01:53:20 AM
Post by: tekla on December 11, 2010, 01:53:20 AM
I'll see that and raise you a Jimmy
I HAVE SINNED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1OXAi7rNMg#)
Did Satan make him jerk-off in front of a hooker while she did pornographic poses? Or, was he just a lyin' jerk?
I HAVE SINNED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1OXAi7rNMg#)
Did Satan make him jerk-off in front of a hooker while she did pornographic poses? Or, was he just a lyin' jerk?
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Julie Marie on December 11, 2010, 01:32:14 PM
Post by: Julie Marie on December 11, 2010, 01:32:14 PM
The devil makes you do all sorts of things.
Flip Wilson on The Ed Sullivan Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SLifea3NHQ#)
Flip Wilson on The Ed Sullivan Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SLifea3NHQ#)
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: tekla on December 11, 2010, 01:41:32 PM
Post by: tekla on December 11, 2010, 01:41:32 PM
A short list from Wiki of Christian evangelists involved in sex scandals - that Devil sure be a busy guy.
1.1 Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s
1.2 Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s
1.3 Billy James Hargis, early 1970s
1.4 Marjoe Gortner, early 1970s
1.5 Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991
1.6 Peter Popoff, 1987
1.7 Morris Cerullo, 1990s
1.8 Mike Warnke, 1991
1.9 Robert Tilton, 1991
1.10 W. V. Grant, 1996 and 2003
1.11 Bob Moorehead, 1998
1.12 Roy Clements, 1999
1.13 John Paulk, 2000
1.14 Paul Crouch, 2004
1.15 Douglas Goodman, 2004
1.16 Kent Hovind, 2006
1.17 Ted Haggard, 2006
1.18 Paul Barnes, 2006
1.19 Lonnie Latham, 2006
1.20 Gilbert Deya, 2006
1.21 Richard Roberts, 2007
1.22 Earl Paulk, 2007
1.23 Coy Privette, 2007
1.24 Thomas Wesley Weeks, III, 2007
1.25 Michael Reid, 2008
1.26 Joe Barron, 2008
1.27 Todd Bentley, 2008
1.28 George Alan Rekers, 2010
1.29 Eddie L. Long, 2010
1.30 Vaughn Reeves, 2010
1.31 Marcus Lamb 2010
1.1 Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s
1.2 Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s
1.3 Billy James Hargis, early 1970s
1.4 Marjoe Gortner, early 1970s
1.5 Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991
1.6 Peter Popoff, 1987
1.7 Morris Cerullo, 1990s
1.8 Mike Warnke, 1991
1.9 Robert Tilton, 1991
1.10 W. V. Grant, 1996 and 2003
1.11 Bob Moorehead, 1998
1.12 Roy Clements, 1999
1.13 John Paulk, 2000
1.14 Paul Crouch, 2004
1.15 Douglas Goodman, 2004
1.16 Kent Hovind, 2006
1.17 Ted Haggard, 2006
1.18 Paul Barnes, 2006
1.19 Lonnie Latham, 2006
1.20 Gilbert Deya, 2006
1.21 Richard Roberts, 2007
1.22 Earl Paulk, 2007
1.23 Coy Privette, 2007
1.24 Thomas Wesley Weeks, III, 2007
1.25 Michael Reid, 2008
1.26 Joe Barron, 2008
1.27 Todd Bentley, 2008
1.28 George Alan Rekers, 2010
1.29 Eddie L. Long, 2010
1.30 Vaughn Reeves, 2010
1.31 Marcus Lamb 2010
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Julie Marie on December 11, 2010, 01:59:21 PM
Post by: Julie Marie on December 11, 2010, 01:59:21 PM
How to make an evangelist...
Number 4 on your list.
Marjoe part 1/10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-O9aNl2Xrk#)
Number 4 on your list.
Marjoe part 1/10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-O9aNl2Xrk#)
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 12:52:39 AM
Post by: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 12:52:39 AM
Have you heard the story 10% of the fishermen catch 90% of the fish.
I think this applies, 90% of christains dont care what you believe, 10% are f..ing nut jobs.
10% of the athiests dont care what you believe, 90% are f...ing nut jobs.
Facts are simple.
300 million people
250 million god believeing
Yet no prayer@ Public school
10 comandments banned @ A court house of law
The list is many, pushed by a few!
I think this applies, 90% of christains dont care what you believe, 10% are f..ing nut jobs.
10% of the athiests dont care what you believe, 90% are f...ing nut jobs.
Facts are simple.
300 million people
250 million god believeing
Yet no prayer@ Public school
10 comandments banned @ A court house of law
The list is many, pushed by a few!
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: tekla on December 12, 2010, 01:58:28 AM
Post by: tekla on December 12, 2010, 01:58:28 AM
250 million god believeing
They do not all believe in the same form of worship.
They do not all believe in how much, or little, they ought to push it onto people who don't believe.
They do not all believe in the same texts.
Hell, they don't even agree on the name.
Even in the Bible they can't agree on the name.
Carve that in stone.
They do not all believe in the same form of worship.
They do not all believe in how much, or little, they ought to push it onto people who don't believe.
They do not all believe in the same texts.
Hell, they don't even agree on the name.
Even in the Bible they can't agree on the name.
Carve that in stone.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 02:22:27 AM
Post by: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 02:22:27 AM
Theocrecy I agree hell no, again a few push their non believing doctrine onto 250 million god believeing americans in all thier diffrences they still believe in god. yet we must take him out of school= last 20 years of mayhem. dont say christmass it may offend someone, no more carols it's to damageing to the mind! our country was founded on judaio christain law yes we are a nation of laws( well we were ) and look how thats working.
Never ending conversation!
Either way it is sad to see the hatetred that man shows his fellow man:(
Never ending conversation!
Either way it is sad to see the hatetred that man shows his fellow man:(
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 02:55:57 AM
Post by: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 02:55:57 AM
I agree Dee
Palotics and religon are man's shame.
I hope I did not offend no one, That was not my Intentions.
Palotics and religon are man's shame.
I hope I did not offend no one, That was not my Intentions.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Miniar on December 12, 2010, 06:21:03 AM
Post by: Miniar on December 12, 2010, 06:21:03 AM
Quote from: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 12:52:39 AM
Have you heard the story 10% of the fishermen catch 90% of the fish.
I think this applies, 90% of christains dont care what you believe, 10% are f..ing nut jobs.
10% of the athiests dont care what you believe, 90% are f...ing nut jobs.
I'd like to know where these stats come from.
Most atheists I know don't care what you believe, they just don't want to hear about it 24/7 and so end up telling people to knock it off. That doesn't make 'em nut-jobs.
I'm a heathen otherkin.
I never get harassed by atheists for my beliefs, mostly cause I don't express them uninvited and I don't push them on others and because I don't treat them as better or more valid than anyone else's beliefs.
I however get harassed by Christians at least once a week, and not just for my beliefs, and that's not counting the more than daily events of getting YHVH and Jesus and Hell thrust at me by media, friends and family. It gets old, fast.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: justmeinoz on December 12, 2010, 06:26:02 AM
Post by: justmeinoz on December 12, 2010, 06:26:02 AM
It appears to me that the problem is that America's dominant religion is a form of Zoroastrianism, with a nod to St Paul and Jesus.
At least that is how the Evilgelical cash-for-salvation types who get all the attention come across at this distance.
Very little to do with modern Christian thought, being wrapped up in a dualistic God/Satan, Angel/Demon Armageddon fearing mindset, straight out of ancient Iran.
At least that is how the Evilgelical cash-for-salvation types who get all the attention come across at this distance.
Very little to do with modern Christian thought, being wrapped up in a dualistic God/Satan, Angel/Demon Armageddon fearing mindset, straight out of ancient Iran.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Julie Marie on December 12, 2010, 09:09:50 AM
Post by: Julie Marie on December 12, 2010, 09:09:50 AM
Quote from: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 02:22:27 AMthey still believe in god. yet we must take him out of school
God is male? How do you know?
As far as school, if god is taught, so should atheism, gnosticism, paganism and every other form of belief or non-belief. But when would we have time for the three R's?
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: tekla on December 12, 2010, 10:03:44 AM
Post by: tekla on December 12, 2010, 10:03:44 AM
we must take him out of school
You are 100% free to put as much of god as you want in any school you are willing to privately finance. The Catholics have been doing it for 100 years now.
ProTip: It's really hard to claim that you are this huge majority and then turn around and yell "Help! Help! We're being oppressed!"
You are 100% free to put as much of god as you want in any school you are willing to privately finance. The Catholics have been doing it for 100 years now.
ProTip: It's really hard to claim that you are this huge majority and then turn around and yell "Help! Help! We're being oppressed!"
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: rejennyrated on December 12, 2010, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: rejennyrated on December 12, 2010, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: tekla on December 12, 2010, 10:03:44 AM^ this ;D Brilliant. I Love it! I thank it's called trying to have ones cake and eating it... :laugh:
ProTip: It's really hard to claim that you are this huge majority and then turn around and yell "Help! Help! We're being oppressed!"
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: Nathan. on December 12, 2010, 10:23:09 AM
Post by: Nathan. on December 12, 2010, 10:23:09 AM
Quote from: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 12:52:39 AM
Facts are simple.
300 million people
250 million god believeing
Argumentum ad populum
Just because lots of people believe doesn't mean they are right.
Quote from: pantymancan on December 12, 2010, 12:52:39 AM
Yet no prayer@ Public school
10 comandments banned @ A court house of law
The list is many, pushed by a few!
Why should they be there? law and school should be secular.
Title: Re: Satan made you transgender?
Post by: cynthialee on December 12, 2010, 10:36:26 AM
Post by: cynthialee on December 12, 2010, 10:36:26 AM
Until we allow religion to takes us as far down the rabbit hole as it can we will not be free of its oppression . When the people see how useless their beliefs are then they will change. Until then expect more of the same.