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Hi,

I'd like to learn about the sexual orientation of FtM's.
One FtM I was in touch with through the internet told me most FtM's are attracted to each other?
Is this true? What is their sexual pattern like? Thanks.  :D

Trans guys are just like cis guys in the sense that we all have different tastes. I think that many of us probably find safety dating another trans person over a cis person because we share a similar experience. It also helps get the whole "my genitals aren't configured in the way you're probably thinking" conversation out of the way. Less likely of rejection, etc.

Agreed, everyone is different.

I'm strictly attracted to women, and I would include transwomen too

I aways shy away from statements that use a word like 'most' unless they have some proof.

Sounds really inaccurate to me. If I had to make a generalisation, it would be that most FTMs I know of are straight, just like most bio guys are straight. There are many gay and bi FTMs, of course. Additionally, it'd be the odd one out who is attracted strictly to other FTMs... that actually sounds more like a fetish than an orientation, to me. My ex-boyfriend is FTM, but that was entirely coincidental.

Personally, I'm bi. At the moment I'm primarily attracted to men, including other FTMs. But I've also found women (including MTFs), androgynes, and genderqueer people attractive.

I'm bisexual. I like both genders pretty equally. Totally depends on the personality.

I'm mostly attracted to men, although it comes down to the individual.

Strangely, I started out being gay. Very, very gay. Upon starting my transition, however, I'm starting to be attracted a bit more to girls, though I would NEVER touch one.

Their parts terrify me beyond belief.

I dig the dudes only :P And of course that includes FTM's, because they're just other guys. Sex might be a bit awkward because of the junk they have, but I'm a top anyway, so it doesn't matter too much :) And there's always the bonus that they know what you're going through.

That being said, I'm not attracted to 'FTM's', because like someone else said, that's leaning much more towards a fetish than an orientation, it's more that I'm attracted to guys, and they fit under that description, genitals aside :D

Hope that helps some :)

I love the ladies :)

lawl, sexual orientation can't be 'generalized' just because wer trans.

I'm not attracted to any sex or gender.

Just like many others have said, FTMs are just like cisguys and the ratio of gay to straight is probably about the same. I'm straight.

Being Trans somewhere along the way you end up questioning your orientation. Either you're straight as your bio gender but gay as the gender you are or gay as bio and straight or bi either way or maybe even a sexual and. Whatever other variants people might feel suits. However,being trans it's easy to end up in a different sexual role than the one you feel fits. All orientations are of course common with transfolks as they are everywhere but ours isn't as automatic. My point is I think you're going to find a relatively large number of trans folks that are going to say something along the line of "it depends on the person" simply because we are who we are. Other trans of course would understand better than average what we're going through and what's on our mind :)

I define myself as straight, I like girls cis or trans. I would be with a man to date or MAYBE have sex, but when I imagine my life I just see myself marrying a woman.
To spend the rest of my life I want a woman, I wanna have kids with her not with a guy.

Interesting question....

Many years ago I tried dating guys but that didn't work out...
These days I am only attracted to women and usually women who work out (now maybe that is a fetish lol!) I have my reasons but I won't go into them!!!!

I'm straight. :) Though I usually don't like to put a label on my sexuality, I am only attracted to women.

I'm pan but i'm mostly into guys. It's odd because at one point pre transition I was mostly into girls.  ???

I am Elainesexual.

And sometimes Mikesexual  >:-) Only because he's cute and lets me touch his delicious manchest. (Well, he doesn't let me, but he's a wimp so I touch his delicious manchest anyways)

Really though, I don't find anyone but my girlfriend sexually attractive. Except Mike, our best friend/boy toy. But he doesn't count.

I can't tell you how much I'm cracking up about this right now  :icon_evil_laugh:


I would say that whoever told you that most FTMs are attracted to other FTMs is pretty wrong, but that base has been touched on in this topic already. But for the record, they are largely misinformed.

::EDIT:::

Okay so I forgot one thing. I'm not just Elainesexual. I'm also nerdyblackguyswithglassessexual. There needs to be more of those in the world.

Alright I'm done now lol!

I'm a gay transman

Quote from: Nikolai_S on December 28, 2010, 12:42:56 AM
Additionally, it'd be the odd one out who is attracted strictly to other FTMs... that actually sounds more like a fetish than an orientation, to me. My ex-boyfriend is FTM, but that was entirely coincidental.

Hmm... I don't really agree with this. Why is being attracted to FTMs more of a fetish than an orientation? We tend to think that "orientation" refers to whether one is attracted to men or women, but that is a super transphobic and binary way of thinking of sexuality. Orientation can encompass many things. Some people are attracted to brunettes but not blondes, some people are attracted to short people and some to tall people, some people are attracted to people of certain ethnicities. Even though we may not think of these as orientations, they are.

Similar to what almost everyone has said, sexual orientation depends on the individual.
Personally, I consider myself attracted to femininity; gender is unimportant to me.  I'm currently in a relationship with a trans girl.

i don't like putting a label on my sexuality, but i am mostly sexually attracted to men. however, i'm romantically attracted to women haha
hipster boys really do it for me <:

I'm bisexual, although I typically find women more physically/sexually attractive.  I seem to have more romantic interest in men, which I mostly attribute to a strange sort of narcissism; I tend to fall for people who remind me of myself and with whom I have a lot in common.

I'm attracted to people, not their gender :)

Gay, but I have to be honest: I am uncomfortable with non-cis lower anatomy--maybe that wouldn't happen if the guy were post-op. I'm not sure. At this point in my life, I would never seek out another FTM. Don't know what I'd do if I fell for one. I hope I would be able to work it out.

Quote from: trnsboi on December 28, 2010, 06:04:25 PM
Hmm... I don't really agree with this. Why is being attracted to FTMs more of a fetish than an orientation? We tend to think that "orientation" refers to whether one is attracted to men or women, but that is a super transphobic and binary way of thinking of sexuality. Orientation can encompass many things. Some people are attracted to brunettes but not blondes, some people are attracted to short people and some to tall people, some people are attracted to people of certain ethnicities. Even though we may not think of these as orientations, they are.

I suppose that is a binary way of thinking of sexuality. But I would also consider someone who would only date a blonde as a fetishist, same with short/tall, same with someone who would, for example, only date Asian people. Yes, people have types, and I think it would even be reasonable for someone to prefer dating FTMs. But not saying "I only like FTMs, not men or women." Since FTMs are men, just a certain kind of men.

Quote from: Nikolai_S on December 28, 2010, 08:18:58 PM
I suppose that is a binary way of thinking of sexuality. But I would also consider someone who would only date a blonde as a fetishist, same with short/tall, same with someone who would, for example, only date Asian people. Yes, people have types, and I think it would even be reasonable for someone to prefer dating FTMs. But not saying "I only like FTMs, not men or women." Since FTMs are men, just a certain kind of men.

It all depends upon your definition of "men." I don't think someone who only dates Asian people or only dates blondes is any more of a fetishist than someone who only dates men or only dates women. Why is attraction to blondes a "type" whereas attraction to men is not a "type"?

trans people are just like any other people as in we come in all shapes, sizes, colors, personalities and orientations ;D

I specifically, I'm straight with for some reason a slight curiosity about men, mostly other ftm's of about the same size and no, i don't think of that as a fetish, i just know it'd be way easier to be with someone who's also trans who gets it. won't ever have to explain about what's down there or my chest or what being transgendered is that i would with someone cisgendered. but it's only been a few guys who made me think "hhmmm, mmmaaaaaybe?" lol so far and that's pre T.

I'm straight, I only like women and I only want to date straight women. But I know being trans it's gunna be hard to find a straight women to date. But hopefully I'll find a straight woman I like that will date me.

Eh. I try not to think too much about my sexuality because I just confuse myself. I kinda consider myself pansexual, but my sexuality just seems more fluid than that. Sometimes I am completely uninterested in romantic or sexual relationships. Sometimes I am strictly attracted to men, sometimes I become obsessed with the idea of finding a cute pre-op transgirl. It's constantly changing.

Have identified as "straight" since I was a youngster. I've never been sexually attracted to bio males. Envied plenty. 3+ years on T and in my late 20's, I still identify as straight, and date hetro bio females, with the occasional 'bi' chick, whatever that means lol. Although since starting T 3 years ago, I've gotten a weird fetish if you may, for gay porn. Gay men in the real world, and men in general, do absolutely nothing for me sexually, but for some mysterious reason, I dabble in gay porn from time to time. I think its more of the dominance factor honestly.
My brothers gf confessed to me she also enjoys watching it, so I guess I'm not a complete weirdo. To each their own!

I'm gay. I've only ever slept with cis men, except for a brief period where I tried claiming to be bi and experimented with some girls, but I was totally sexually nonfunctional with them.

I'd be open to trying with a trans guy if we were attracted to each other, but it's never come up and I don't have any particularly strong desire for it to. (Actually, I'm sort of afraid I might not be able to deal with it.)

I don't think "most" trans men are attracted specifically to other trans men. I think there is a reasonably large and visible contingent in the trans male community of guys (many of whom formerly identified as lesbians) who largely date amongst each other because of the feeling of community/having something in common, and because guys coming out of the lesbian community often have trouble with the idea of partnering with a cis man even after they come to the conclusion that they're gay. But straight trans guys still date women, bi trans guys date everybody, and the minority of gay trans guys to which I belong (the group with 'straight female' pasts) as well as a few formerly-lesbian-identified gay trans guys date cis men. And each other, sometimes, but not preferentially.

I honestly don't know who I am attracted too, so I kind of prefer not to think about it. I really like women, but what's below the belt really doesn't keep me from dating anyone (sometimes I don't even want to be with anyone), so I guess that make me pansexual.

I am a straight trans who dates Ladies only...and ahm loving it....!!! I personally don't like to be entered through my birth "sex-organ" I like to do tha' entering [para me], it defeats tha' purpose of what and who I am...or have become! which broken done means...I didn't become me...so that I can be afraid to be me...  ;D

I'm more attracted to women. I couldn't really see myself dating a guy.

Well i'm gay. I'm not attracted to females physically or in any other way really.

and im going to try and say this in the least-offensive way, but not only am i not attracted to the female 'body parts'/privates, i am really turned off by them and they are just completely revolting to me (sorry ladies =( )  but thats a big part of what contributes to the huge amount of dysphoria i have all the time, because i have these body parts i cant even bear to think about, on my body and have to deal with them everyday. in this way, sometimes i think it'd be easier if i was straight, cause at least i'd like those parts (though not on me =p ), haha, but i'd never wish to be straight anyways, that makes no sense since i like liking guys lol okay now im confusing myself

Pansexual makes the cut for me, really... Although in a binary sense, I'm sexually attracted to males, physically to females. Don't know how comfortable I'd feel dealing with lady parts. :/ They don't attract me, either. This mindset might change when I'm further along transition, though.

@rexgsd - In a certain way I can really relate to what you are saying.  For me I've long been interested in females.  In their minds and in the way they acted.  I would have intense romantic emotional relationships with girls but never really went beyond that.  Well except for one time.  I was also bothered by breasts and female downstairs because I hated my own parts so much.  However now that I've begun changing into a more male body I'm suddenly much more interested in the female one.  I'm all about breasts suddenly.  I want to touch and squeeze and taste but it's hard to find a girl that would let me do that.  Oh well, maybe someday.

I really like guys too and guys are sluts so it's much easier for me to get them.  If I had the opportunity to date and fool around with an FTM I was attracted I would be over the moon.  I fantasize about it all of the time to be honest.  I would have fun with an MTF as well I know.  Really it depends on the person.   

I don't think I could like men or trans men if I tried. I like women and only women. If I'm attracted to a trans woman, then I am. Honestly they're just another woman to me.

Quote from: rexgsd on January 03, 2011, 06:49:23 PM

and im going to try and say this in the least-offensive way, but not only am i not attracted to the female 'body parts'/privates, i am really turned off by them and they are just completely revolting to me (sorry ladies =( )

same goes for me (the only topless girl i ever found attractive was a model in a photograph that seemed to not have any breasts really....she was so flat+ androgynous i first mistook her for a boy). still i do have a girlfriend and for some reason it does sort of work....i like her as a person and i keep telling myself her parts are beautiful because they are hers :D
prior to that i only dated guys and considered myself strictly "straight" (had learned to see myself as a girl of sorts)....now i feel attracted to slightly feminine guys and sometimes super-androgynous girls.

I'm only attracted to one girl in this entire world (unfortunately) but my choice will always be girls no matter what.

Straight.
Myles

I am straight and only attracted to women and that is not including MTF's I am not attracted to them.

I consider myself gay, I have a female fiancee, and in practice I am asexual. So make of that what you will.

IDK anymore.

I'm not attracted to men(which includes FTM), but I love women (which includes MTF)
So...I'm straight, but I'm only attracted to 2D girls  ::)  And I like the kind of thin girls with not much breasts... the kind of "8" woman full of curves is just not my cup of tea...guess is all about preferences.

I'm attracted to men and woman, I feel a bit more comfortable by women but there are men who are very attrected for me.
I think it's the personality of someone I feel attracted to but I like the woman's body more.
I had longtime relationships with a man and later with a woman.
So I think I am a bisexual, I never rule somebody out just for their gender, cis or trans makes no difference for me

I'm bisexual. Physically, I'm attracted to males and females pretty much equally, and that includes mtf's and ftm's.
Personality-wise, I prefer men almost every time, though. I've never known anyone trans personally, so I can't weigh in on that.

I like girls. 

I'm a polyamorous pansexual.

My attraction to other people does not depend/rely on their gender/sex.
There are occasional configurations of physical characteristics that make me go "oh... that's... mmh.. delicious... " but that's more of a moment of "I want to play with that" than anything else. I am emotionally and sexually attracted to the personality and character of an individual.

I've always considered myself to be gay. I love men.  ;D

surprised to see many other gay ftms than I expected! I'm hopelessly attracted to androgynous looking pretty boys:)

I'm straight. Though I really enjoy hanging out with guys, I don't seem to be able to emotionally connect with other guys in that way.

Although I see myself as a guy and I like women, I find it's kinda hard to say I'm straight. Is that weird?

i like chicks. end of story pretty much.

I like the ladies. Not attracted to men at all.

I consider myself straight, but Im open to dating a guy as well, which those feelings started recently. Ive never been attracted to another ftm because I have never met one in person.

I prefer the ladies. I can be sort-of attracted to men, but it's more of a "I wanna be him" than "I wanna have him".

I like hanging out with guys, it's a lot easier than girls. I get really nervous when talking to girls. It's pretty stupid, no?

Quote from: PixieBoy on January 14, 2011, 12:39:18 AM
I prefer the ladies. I can be sort-of attracted to men, but it's more of a "I wanna be him" than "I wanna have him".

I like hanging out with guys, it's a lot easier than girls. I get really nervous when talking to girls. It's pretty stupid, no?

No, I feel the same lol

I guess I'm a tad weird. I like the ladies....but they scare me.

I'm gay, and attracted to men. The genitals they posses isn't important, as long as they're men xD. Right now I'm with a biological male. It makes sex easier and less expensive since we only need one strap-on :'P. It also means I can get pregnant since I still have vaginal sex XP. Don't judge me ;_;! We don't even like calling it vaginal sex, we just call it "anal #2"! D:

Hey, I won't judge...
Anal takes fuss to do "right"... there's cleaning, timing, condom, lubricant, etc...
The vagina's there, it "works"... It's "convenient"... and I can't get pregnant... so.. *shrug*
Why not?

I'm asexual. I'm not really into people in that way.

Quote from: jade on December 28, 2010, 12:05:43 AM
Hi,

I'd like to learn about the sexual orientation of FtM's.
One FtM I was in touch with through the internet told me most FtM's are attracted to each other?
Is this true? What is their sexual pattern like? Thanks.  :D

No, no, and no. Whoever said that can't say something like that. I have no attraction to FtMs. I am attracted to cisgender men, cisgender women, and transgender women (mostly cis men and transwomen).

I'm Asexual, thank you very much.

However my romantic oreintation is somewhere between aromantic and heteroromantic.

Most of the trans* people I've met have different sexualities. My friend, another FtM is gay, another is straight, and I'm pansexual.
It has nothing to do with the gender of the person.
It depends on their tastes, I'm more romantically attracted to women, but psychically attracted to men.

I've actually heard the "ftms are attracted to other ftms"; I don't really know where it originates.  I guess ftms date ftms more than other guys do, because they're obviously more likely to be open to that, but that's as far as it seems to go.  Personally, I'm bi and don't really care about whether someone is trans or not.

I've never heard that one. It seems FtM's are more likely to date a bioboy over a FtM. 

I'm a gay transguy, though there is a possibility of me being slightly bisexual with heavily homosexual tendencies. Does that make sense? I don't know.

I love the boys. FTM or biologically, they are still boys. I think I would almost prefer an FTM if only because (as others have pointed out) they know the experience.  I would never say that most gay/bi FTMs prefer FTMS, it's just a comforting thought that they know what I'm going through. It also would make the whole "I'm a guy but I don't have a dick" chat awkwardness go away.

I'm iffy on the girls, though. I sorta like a girl I know (she is lesbian, so that irritates my dysphoria when she flirts- not saying she's into me, she's a flirty person) who is a massive tomboy. She works out regularly (she's training to enter the protective services at our votech) and never wears girly things. Also- no offence intended here- the female body parts make me extremely uncomfortable due to my own dysphoria. Breasts aren't that bad, but the lower bits are a major turn-off.

-Gregg-

Quote from: DegrassiFan on January 16, 2011, 01:33:12 AM

No, no, and no. Whoever said that can't say something like that. I have no attraction to FtMs. I am attracted to cisgender men, cisgender women, and transgender women (mostly cis men and transwomen).

Sorry if this is an invasive question, but why not trans men? You like are open to women with vaginas, women with penises or who had penises, men with penises.... but not men with vaginas? Or even without, if bottom surgery is involved? What about genderqueer or androgynous people?

BISEXUAL!

Maybe Pansexual if your super-awesome ;D

I tend to take on the femme role with guys but the "masculine" role with girls. If that makes sense.

It boils down to if the boy is taller than me Ill generally take on a more submissive role. If he's shorter Ill take charge....Im very height conscious.
Girls, Ill still take the submissive role asin we can go out where they want to, Id like to pay for meals, drinks etc but whatever, but in more intimate times i definately take charge.

I dont know how else to explain it. 

I've always been asexual. Never been interested in intimacy, doubt that taking T will change that for me.
I do appreciate a good looking person though, whatever they may be.  :)

I'm gay all the way and I love it. I love me some pretty boys!! Hehe.

I'm more interested in the personality than the body, and that includes what resides in the pants :P So trans or cis makes no difference for me, although with trans it might be easier as we wouldn't have any awkward convos to deal with.

I'm gay. I like all guys including ftms (if they're on T that is).

Asexual. There are more of us here than I expected.

I dunno. I'd say that it's logical, because there's that strong sense of intimacy but...I dunno. I treat all my guy transfriends as bros, you know? I do feel kinda bleak when I realize that my cisgender girlfriend has just never felt this way, whatever qualms she has with her body though.

I have this thing for androgynous women. I swear, when my gf got a haircut my length (a 5 with clippers more or less), I pretty much jizzed in my pants. So in theory I would like early-on transguys as a fetish, but I know the pain too well, I guess. I've found myself completely attracted to transgirls on the other end.

I think, in truth, that transcouples just look awesome to media and whatnot. The world wishes there were more of them--just like lesbian schoolteachers and their students. MOAR

Hi guys
I'm sorry for my reply.
One of the guys told me this was a thread for the guys
I didn't read well I think, this is for the ftm's.
Excuse me for intruding and ignore my reply.

hugs
(silly dutch) annette

No worries annette.  It's interesting to hear opinions from both sides.

Edit: I guess with that being said, I never did add my opinion.  I've never met an FTM who is only into other FTMs, but I can see how it would be nice to have a relationship with someone who understands.  As for me, (other people's) gender isn't really an issue.

I've been becoming more open to the idea of gay and bi men since starting T.  Normally I'm attracted to bi females (whether cisgender women or not) simply because I can fulfill both sides of the spectrum in terms of my partner's fantasy and my disphoria doesn't get in the way of that - as long as they love me romantically, I'm happy.  If they're satisfied in bed, it's a huge turn on for me and I'm happy.  However, whether I'm with a man, woman, MTF, FTM, or a genderqueer, I only get dysphoric in bed I start hearing female comments ("I love your boobs" etc.  Not cool with me.)

Basically though, I like anyone who ISN'T a straight macho type male who feels as though he has to fit every stereotype about men.  Luckily for me these types of men are becoming less of the norm.

I'm attracted to men.  I prefer bio-men, but I wouldn't rule out FtM.

I've never even thought of the concept of two FTM's dating each other, that's interesting.

I've dated women most of my life but I had a sort-of secret boyfriend when I was in college a couple of years before I came out as trans.

Somehow I got lucky when I first came out as trans I started dating my girlfriend who identifies as heterosexual and we've been together ever since.

I identify as heterosexual, but realistically I think everyone is bi/pansexual in some way.

I have been in a relationship with a bio female for eight years. I am attracted to girls. Also, like LaPapito, I do not like sex (on me) through my birth sex organs. I find it uncomfortable and it doesn't feel right. I have always wondered if other straight FTMs feel the same way?

I'm generally attracted to transpeople and cis women.

I'm pretty much a true pansexual.  I'm attracted to whoever I think is attractive.  Genitals mean pretty much nothing to me; I could date intersex people without a worry, and FtMs and MtFs pre-everything as well.  It really does not matter to me.  I'd be game for dating an FtM, actually... I think it would be a nice experience.  However, I love being single and am a very solitary person, and I like it that way, so if I ever do date, it'll be quite a while from now.

Only girls for me ;)

Ive never been attracted to an Ftm, or bio guy (or butch woman...)
   Ive never ever used the wrong and female parts for sex. The idea of this, for me is completely disgusting and wrong.

So, to sum it up :p Im straight!
I am in a long term relationship with a bio female. (And she is amazing :) )

I'm pretty pansexual, I suppose, I don't really like labelling my sexuality. I'm just attracted to the person, that's all. It doesn't matter to me where they are cisgender, transgender, or intersex.

I'm gay and I have a preference for bio guys.

i like bio-women all my life. i have nevr been attracted to MTF's or FTM's or any men.
and i wish i was in a relationship rite now   :'(

I'm pansexual, but I don't want a sexual relationship just yet. I'm attracted to cis-men and cis-women, along with transfolk.

I'm attracted to women, and I'm attracted to FTMs who don't get bottom surgery. It's not a fetish, I'm just not comfortable with, uh, "man-parts". Lol it probably has something to do with the fact that I have a phobia of pregnancy/getting pregnant (I've been with a cis-guy before and I couldn't enjoy it because I was so freaked out I'd get pregnant, even though we'd both taken preventative measures). Maybe after I get a hysterectomy I'll be bisexual (or pansexual; what exactly is the difference?). Until then, I'm just... mostly straight :)

I am 98% of the time gay. I love men.
Sexually, I don't think I could ever be with a woman. I just have no idea what I would do with their parts. o.o Although I've never had sex, so I don't know for sure.
Sadly, this includes preop FtMs, which makes me feel like a giant hypocrite. :/ Those parts just...scare me I guess.
But this also includes MtFs, just because their women. Maybe it's just the thought of having sex with anything remotely female scares me. Not saying at all that FtMs are female. God I'm rambling, hopfully you guys get what I mean.
Emotionally, I could be attracted to anyone methinks.
Physically, I love guys of all types. I see attractive women, but they don't catch my eye like guys do.

So long story short, I would only seek sex with cismales, but I'm open to a long term relationship with anyone. So it's psuedo-pansexuality? I have no idea what to call this...

I identify as gay. I like men, including trans-men. I'd feel awful, especially when thinking of cis men having those same reservations.
I have liked females, but never in a truly sexual sense. I don't completely rule it out, but to be an 'exception' is pretty rare so I keep it simple.

Quote from: Espenoah on March 26, 2011, 04:46:45 AM
So long story short, I would only seek sex with cismales, but I'm open to a long term relationship with anyone. So it's psuedo-pansexuality? I have no idea what to call this...

I've heard people use "panromantic."

I consider myself heterosexual, as do the other transguys I know. Well, minus one engaged couple who are both FtMs but I doubt either of them are strictly interested in FtMs.

I now and then find myself THINKING a certain guy has a really nice body or even fantasizing about gay sex, but when I leave fantasy-land and consider REALLY doing it, I'm instantly turned off. I guess it's the idea of male genitalia functioning sexually, and kind of projecting the idea onto myself. You know, watching another guy get off makes me imagine myself in his shoes.

WELLLLLLL...

I prefer Transguys, but I'm a "gay" guy who has "cissy-phallus" dislike, I love masculine people and I could have sex with a Ciss-male, but I'd just prefer not to unless he's quite small. I'm a bottom who uses both "doors", I just prefer that what goes inside me is either small or made of plastic. I also love masculine women so don't get me wrong, I am in no way bias, I guess I'd prefer a "comfortable with his queer sexuality" Tguy or a masculine woman. Of course, this is only sexually...

Romantically and relationship wise, I will never be with someone who isn't in someway Queer. I am just not attracted to hetero-normity. I have no binaried to the people I date though, I just like 'em masculine, GQ, Andro, FtM, or even some MtF... if there are masculine in mind, I'm attracted.

Although, I find that FtM guys have a tendency to clasp onto hetero-style lifestyles, no one is that easily stereotyped.

I'm mostly attracted to women. I'm open to the idea of being with a guy, just it feels awkward for me. Thus, women are my attraction.

I would say pansexual. I've been attracted to men, women, non-binaries ... I'll be honest, I'm attracted to a lot of people of varying genders and orientations.

Also, quinn, you asked "I'll be bisexual (or pansexual; what exactly is the difference?).". The difference is that bisexual people are attracted to only two genders (say, male and female, or agender and female, or genderqueer and androgyne, etc., etc.), whereas someone who is pansexual is attracted to all genders. For instance, I have a friend who is attracted to both men and women, so she identifies as bisexual. I've been attracted to people of every different gender that I've encountered, so I identify as pansexual. There are also people who are trisexual or quadsexual, depending on how many of the various genders they are attracted to. So, someone who is attracted to men, women, and agender individuals would be trisexual, and so on and so forth.

Quote from: Andrew T on March 28, 2011, 03:15:45 AM
WELLLLLLL...

I prefer Transguys, but I'm a "gay" guy who has "cissy-phallus" dislike, I love masculine people and I could have sex with a Ciss-male, but I'd just prefer not to unless he's quite small. I'm a bottom who uses both "doors", I just prefer that what goes inside me is either small or made of plastic. I also love masculine women so don't get me wrong, I am in no way bias, I guess I'd prefer a "comfortable with his queer sexuality" Tguy or a masculine woman. Of course, this is only sexually...

Romantically and relationship wise, I will never be with someone who isn't in someway Queer. I am just not attracted to hetero-normity. I have no binaried to the people I date though, I just like 'em masculine, GQ, Andro, FtM, or even some MtF... if there are masculine in mind, I'm attracted.

Although, I find that FtM guys have a tendency to clasp onto hetero-style lifestyles, no one is that easily stereotyped.

God, Andy, why do you always have to be so complicated about everything?  ;)

Anyway, like Andy here, I prefer partners that are some flavor of queer for similar reasons, but because I'm straight, I tend to gravitate towards MTF's for the most part instead.

I'm not attracted to men, including FTM's. Though I have heard of that stereotype of FTM's getting together (my two best friends fall into that category), in my experience it's not that common.

Quote from: JamesChristopher on March 28, 2011, 03:40:29 AM
I would say pansexual. I've been attracted to men, women, non-binaries ... I'll be honest, I'm attracted to a lot of people of varying genders and orientations.

Also, quinn, you asked "I'll be bisexual (or pansexual; what exactly is the difference?).". The difference is that bisexual people are attracted to only two genders (say, male and female, or agender and female, or genderqueer and androgyne, etc., etc.), whereas someone who is pansexual is attracted to all genders. For instance, I have a friend who is attracted to both men and women, so she identifies as bisexual. I've been attracted to people of every different gender that I've encountered, so I identify as pansexual. There are also people who are trisexual or quadsexual, depending on how many of the various genders they are attracted to. So, someone who is attracted to men, women, and agender individuals would be trisexual, and so on and so forth.

I don't get this. I'm not attracted to genders, I'm attracted to people. I'm gay because I'm only attracted to people with male bodies: cis male, transitioned hormonally-male FTM, pre-transition hormonally-male MTF, male-bodied androgynes. Anybody whose system runs on T has a chance to trip my switch. That's three or four genders (at least), but I'm not tri- or quadrisexual, I'm just gay. The fact that gender is irrelevant to my sex drive means that I can be attracted to a pre-transition trans woman, but I won't start a relationship with her, because if she transitions, I'll cease to be attracted as soon as she starts to smell female, because I'm quite conventionally gay. Most people's sexualities, or at least most men's, work like mine.

Making sexuality about gender is not only inaccurate for most people - it's also offensive because it 'others' trans people. It implies that one has to be something other than straight/gay/bi in order to be attracted to a trans* spectrum person (or at least to a non-binary trans* person, depending on how you define the genders). Which isn't true. Plenty of trans* people have partners who are straight/gay/bi, and those partners are under no obligation to redefine their sexuality just because they're attracted to someone who doesn't fit in the conventional binary.

Quote from: JamesChristopher on March 28, 2011, 03:40:29 AM
I would say pansexual. I've been attracted to men, women, non-binaries ... I'll be honest, I'm attracted to a lot of people of varying genders and orientations.

Also, quinn, you asked "I'll be bisexual (or pansexual; what exactly is the difference?).". The difference is that bisexual people are attracted to only two genders (say, male and female, or agender and female, or genderqueer and androgyne, etc., etc.), whereas someone who is pansexual is attracted to all genders. For instance, I have a friend who is attracted to both men and women, so she identifies as bisexual. I've been attracted to people of every different gender that I've encountered, so I identify as pansexual. There are also people who are trisexual or quadsexual, depending on how many of the various genders they are attracted to. So, someone who is attracted to men, women, and agender individuals would be trisexual, and so on and so forth.

I'm bisexual and I would date any gender. Kyril makes a very valid point, I've often been bothered by how that system assumes that non-binary identities require certain sexual orientations to include them. I'm genderqueer FTM with frequent androgynous presentation/identification, does that mean someone bisexual wouldn't date me? For the most part, I look/sound/smell male. I still have female genitals, so some straight or gay individuals might have reservations about having sex with me. The non-binary things are presentation and personality, and otherwise, it's a matter of sexual attraction and it still falls in the realm of male/female.

I'm glad there are people who care enough about the issue to declare their identity as pansexual, because I know it's well intentioned. And when I notice someone identifying as pan, it's a bit of a relief because that explicitly states they have awareness of non-binary issues and they're fine with it. But there is a significant amount of overlap between pansexual and bisexual, and there's not enough of a difference that I feel the need to say I'm pan rather than bi.

I mostly say i'm bi because it's easier for me as a shy person as I don't normally need to explain it but I do identify as pan simply because i'm attracted to men, women and non binary people. I am partly attracted to genders as someones gender is part of them and to some it's a very important part of them and to say things like you're gender blind etc can piss them off and understandably so.

Why would it piss someone off to say you're gender blind? It's not like I don't give a crap what my partner's gender is, but I don't choose dating prospects based on gender. My gender is important to me, as important as any other aspect of my identity. "Genderblind" doesn't bother me any more than "racially blind." I'm proud of my heritage, but I don't want people to be specifically attracted to the fact that I happen to be part Latino.

but race does change your looks somtimes and people mite prefer the look of say asians over african americans or somthing like that. but i understand what you are saying.
for me gender does play a role because im straight so im not attracted to men, but if i were attracted to a man then its not like i would stop myself from dating them. im not sure if that made total sense but whatever.

I used to think people of colour wanted a colour blind world but after following a few on tumblr I've found out some people of colour hate when people say they are colour blind etc as their colour is part of them.

Truthfully that's not being pan...

Pan does not mean you are attracted to all genders, actually pan means you don't have a type.

Pan means being completely blind of physical appearance and falling in love or being attracted to someone's mental being.

Just saying.

Bisexual doesn't refer to two genders that someone just picks, it is just male and female or men and women only. I KNOW bi means two, but for someone to identify as bisexual, they are emphasizing the difference between man and woman genders (and their male or female sex organs) and claiming they are sexually attracted to both.
Someone who is pansexual doesn't care to divide and emphasize not only of the gender but also the sex organ that person has.

Quote from: Andrew T on March 28, 2011, 11:54:21 PM
Truthfully that's not being pan...

Pan does not mean you are attracted to all genders, actually pan means you don't have a type.

Pan means being completely blind of physical appearance and falling in love or being attracted to someone's mental being.

Just saying.

You're wrong pansexual means you're attracted to all genders.

From wiki:
"Pansexuality (also referred to as omnisexuality)[1] is a popular term referring to the feeling that one has the potential for sexual attractions, sexual desire, or romantic love, towards people of all gender identities and biological sexes"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality)

Also read this FAQ page from Pansexual Pride - http://pansexualpride.tumblr.com/post/345292070/queers-united-diversity-lesson-101-pansexuality (http://pansexualpride.tumblr.com/post/345292070/queers-united-diversity-lesson-101-pansexuality) It clearly says that pansexuals can have types.

One thing that I think this semantic discussion is revealing is that there are multiple things being referred to as sexual orientation.

Is orientation about who you are physically attracted to and want to sleep with?
Is orientation about who you are emotionally or romantically drawn to for falling in love or intimacy?

For many people, these are nicely aligned. For some people, they might not be. Those describing pansexuality are often speaking on the "intimacy/emotional attachment" spectrum, whereas other people are often talking about the former.

This is why researchers trying to label people with sexual orientation have come up with terms and phrases to account for the differences here. For example, there are people who have same-sex partners for sexual encounters often enough to matter (e.g., for public health statistics), yet would never self-identify as bi, because they don't date same-sex and have no same-sex relationships.

I don't care how anyone labels themselves, but I do dislike the othering that happens when trans is treated as its own category.

I, like others who have mentioned here, don't ascribed to a specific gender but rather to the person themselves: they could be MTF, FTM, cisgendered, or.. whatever. I find society puts too much on the "normative", whether it's gender or sexual orientation (whether the drive is love or lust)

Quote from: Sean on March 29, 2011, 10:46:46 AM
One thing that I think this semantic discussion is revealing is that there are multiple things being referred to as sexual orientation.

Is orientation about who you are physically attracted to and want to sleep with?
Is orientation about who you are emotionally or romantically drawn to for falling in love or intimacy?

For many people, these are nicely aligned. For some people, they might not be. Those describing pansexuality are often speaking on the "intimacy/emotional attachment" spectrum, whereas other people are often talking about the former.

That's what irritates me sometimes about myself. As it stands right now, if I wasn't with my current girlfriend, I can't imagine myself ever wanting to have sex with another girl. If I had the right bits though, I think that might be different. I'm still physically attracted to women (cis and trans) but I haven't found other personalities that do anything for me. It's the total opposite with guys. I'm finding myself more attracted to guys (again, cis, trans and everything in between) but on both physical and personality levels.
So, I've got no clue wtf is up with me. There's probably a lot of other weird, personal factors that I'm leaving out but eh...just wanted to toss my 2 cents in again.

Quote from: Nathan. on March 29, 2011, 09:03:22 AM
You're wrong pansexual means you're attracted to all genders.

Well, none of us our wrong, these are all stated opinions, but I'm not relating to PC definitions of Pansexuality, I'm refering too the belief behind Pan. Either way we will not agree, going on facts. Yet also, would including all genders be the same as not being attracted to just one gender?

And yes, they can have a type, I'm not saying that being Pan means you can't I'm saying the type is not definitive to the attraction.

Quote from: N.Chaos on March 29, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
That's what irritates me sometimes about myself. As it stands right now, if I wasn't with my current girlfriend, I can't imagine myself ever wanting to have sex with another girl. If I had the right bits though, I think that might be different. I'm still physically attracted to women (cis and trans) but I haven't found other personalities that do anything for me. It's the total opposite with guys. I'm finding myself more attracted to guys (again, cis, trans and everything in between) but on both physical and personality levels.
So, I've got no clue wtf is up with me. There's probably a lot of other weird, personal factors that I'm leaving out but eh...just wanted to toss my 2 cents in again.

I'm kinda the same, it doesn't irritate me though but i'd like to like women a bit more. My preference is for male bodied people and I'm attracted to them both emotionally and physically but with female bodied people and non binaries I'm mostly only physically attracted to them, I have no idea why that is.

To be bi or pan I feel you don't need to be both physically and emotionally attracted to two/all genders just as I think to be gay doesn't mean you have to be attracted to people of the same gender both physically and emotionally but that's just my opinion on it others may think differently.

Quote from: Nathan. on December 28, 2010, 02:02:18 PM
I'm pan but i'm mostly into guys. It's odd because at one point pre transition I was mostly into girls.  ???

I'm the exact same. I'm not joking, either. Being pansexual, being mostly into guys. Also being mostly into girls at one point, too.

I don't like to slap a label on my sexuality, though. So let's just go with I like who I like.

I can honestly say that I'm bisexual, even though I've never gotten intimate with guys.
I'm attracted to both the attributes of women and those of men.

I've always been attracted to men though looking back its more that I wanted to BE them rather than be WITH them. My sex with guys never felt quite right.

I have always ID'd as Bi though i've been with mostly women the past, say, 12 years....at this point, I like slightly butch / definitely athletic women, gay guys and FTMs. You could say I'm pansexual :)

I'm gay. I like men. I like other stuff too. But I kind of feel ashamed because people don't like it. I'm gay though. I like biological men and it embarrasses me to think being intimate with a guy means I'd be openly admiting what I am which bothers me and makes me jealous but I could never be with a girl I disgust myself. I feel ugly with these parts I'd never enjoy them on anyone else if I did I'd likely not have a problem with my own. I do like curves though but guys just have the sex appeal girls are just pretty dolls I'd like to dress up and doll up basically. Maybe a little amazing her boobs or butt but I just like the guys it's so much more intense. I don't go crazy over girls like I do with guys. I just don't. Like something chemically is missing with girls. And I'm pretty picky with guys. They're usually not too masculine or feminine but I really do like long hair hairy tall skinny I'm also a top more than a bottom which is kind of odd because I'm quite small to be a top. I am basically gay because I like only male bodies even though I like other genders but the body has to have been make at one point or partially at least male.

I feel though like I'll never be accepted as a guy though in that sense like with girls maybe it would be easier but a gay guy scares me and makes me jealous especially certain kinds more than any other guy. And I get so nervous. I go to the lgbt groups. They have a lesbian group a transgender group a youth group gay men's group and a bisexual group. I go to the transgender groups the youth groups and I wanted to go to the gay men's group. I had three different friends convince me to go all male born one was a transwoman another genderqueer and another a gay man. The first one asked me to meet her there. another said there were a few incentives there. Another told me to meet him there. and that's why I came this time. They allowed transwomen and on the site they said they included transmen. However, the receptionist kept telling me I could only go to the lesbian group. I had to lie and ask if she needed to see my birth certificate because I was born male. She finally let me in the whole time I was at the event I was really nervous the whole time because I hate being found out. Sometimes I feel like not trying because I think it's too hard to be what I feel I am. If only we had only souls this wouldn't even be a problem. This way I'll just never fit.

I'd rather be a straight girl than a straight guy but I hurt inside either way. I'm in the beginning of my transition. So I guess that's why.

QuoteIf only we had souls this wouldn't even be a problem. This way I'll just never fit.

We have souls. Why would you ever think we didn't?

Quote from: LordKAT on January 04, 2014, 03:17:33 AM
We have souls. Why would you ever think we didn't?

Meant if we only had souls.

If people didn't judge anyone by how they looked by their body. But by who they were. I wouldn't have any problem being who I am.

Oh. Thank you for clarifying your point.

I and I'm sure there are others, usually see people differently than most. Somehow the surface doesn't even register.

I am 100 percent attracted to woman though this vary's alittle as so far I have only gotten the chance to date cis woman.also,I would not listen to people about anothers orientation.ask the person yourself and it prevents coming off as a..well as ignorant.orientation is different from anything else as it is the same as with non trans folks.or getting to know someone as a friend helps too.things do get shared between friends.personally I am attracted to cis woman only atm but like I said,that's only because I have only dated cis woman so far.but you can not control who you fall in love with and for me,idc what they look like or anything else,its auto attracted because of that love.for me anyway.my suggestion is,for the future-just shrug off what anyone else says and just ask.I mean you wouldn't want someone making assumptions about you based just on your gender.that's like saying 'hes a man so he's automaticly attracted to other guys' lol that's messed up.

I like guys, not a fan of the girly bits.

I'm kind of a whoever I fall in love with, that's who I fall in love with, regardless of gender or sex kind of guy. But if I had to label myself, I'd consider myself demisexual- I don't really feel any sort of sexual attraction to someone until I have a bond with them. It's made for awkward moments for sure, like realising after a year that I had a bad crush on my best friend. XD

Quote from: Nickrose20 on January 04, 2014, 03:38:52 AM
Meant if we only had souls.

If people didn't judge anyone by how they looked by their body. But by who they were. I wouldn't have any problem being who I am.

Having read this and your earlier post, I'd like to encourage you not to give up hope. :) First of all, the person who told you you had to go to the lesbian group is ridiculous...even if she saw you as female, you don't like girls! Lol. Can you imagine someone going to a lesbian group and being like "yeah, um, so I actually don't like girls all that much." Just think about how silly it is for her to say that. And there are lots of gay trans men! It's a little harder when you're pre-transition, I think (I'm not gay so it's all hearsay for me from other guys), but there are gay men who date trans men and see them for the men they are. I actually know a few in real life and they were really nice guys.

i'm not really sure of my orientation, and i've left deciding it for future. before i knew i was trans i recognized myself as bi, but my fantasies were solely centered around girls. so i've been considering myself straight, but i'm not so sure. the problem is i have hard time interpreting what i feel about guys. it's a combination of jealousy, urge to be like him, the fiendly attitude,the competitive feeling, comparing myself with him and probably some more feelings. and i haven't been able to recognize if there's an attraction in it, so the orientation is pending. anyway i'm happy sticking to ladies so i'm not really worried.

I'm asexual and that, I think, has kept some of the worse dysphoria at bay. I don't panic at the thought of the awkwardness of going to bed with someone because I simply have no interest in it. I think I'm panromantic though.

I'm straight, I love the ladies  ;)

I've been reading these posts. I've gotten my self confused. I started out" Bi pre-opt transitioning transgender "female. I think it's just important to find love

I've only ever found myself to be sexually attracted to woman.

Personally I'm pansexual. I consider people based on their personalities, not their genders. That being said, I find myself predominantly interested in the androgynous to male end of the spectrum.

I consider myself to be queer. I sort of am attracted a bit to both and am not entirely rejecting of my non-boy parts, I guess.

--Jay

Personally, as an intellectual, I think sexuality is complicated.

I've started describing myself as a heteroflexible sapiosexual with pansexual/panromantic tendencies to those who insist on knowing how I jive though. :p

I have no idea. Complicating the matter is the fact that I have only been attracted to one person in the last four years, so I don't really have anything recent to go on. I know that I'm probably not asexual, but life experiences and having the wrong parts are a big turn off.

I'm sexually attracted to men and romantically attracted to women, so... bisexual? :D

I don't really care, I'm just a trans guy who draws gay stuff in a heterosexual relationship.

i have no idea what the heck i am  :icon_shakefist:

Quote from: geek on January 06, 2014, 12:21:19 PM
i have no idea what the heck i am  :icon_shakefist:

Human?

I identify as bisexual.

Not really sure. I'm not sexually active, but I have romantic attraction depending on the individual. As far as sexual attraction..I'm not too keen on getting it on with people, I'm just an awkward (somewhat terrified) nugget. I guess from now on if anyone asks my sexuality I'll just say "chicken nugget" and leave the rest to them. ;D
_{there's some other weird stuff but thats another story.}

Quote from: LordKAT on January 06, 2014, 02:55:01 PM
Human?

you know what i mean! :p

Quote from: geek on January 07, 2014, 12:29:42 AM
you know what i mean! :p

Ye, but I couldn't resist.

Quote from: LordKAT on January 07, 2014, 12:32:57 AM
Ye, but I couldn't resist.

Throws cat nip, behave! <flees>

No Thanks, you can keep the fleas.

lol

I'm bisexual, and I wouldn't have a problem with dating a FTM or MTF.

I'm quite open to anyone, and I don't care for labels or anything. But I'm mainly attracted to guys. I started realising something was up because of the thought that i couldnt date guys unless i was one :)

I partner with cis women, usually non lesbian identifying queer femmes who date male identifying stone butches and FTMs.  Coming from the non-lesbian butch/femme community, it has just fallen out this way.  I have also dated/partnered with straight women.  Both groups seem to "get me" just as well as the other and I could see myself with either long term.

My current partner will most likely be my last and she is a non-lesbian queer femme who dates male identifying stone butches and FTMs.

I have also been attracted to transwomen, but couldn't see myself being attracted to bio male genitalia, so I guess it would only be a post-op transwoman I could see myself being with (no offense to any pre-op women).

I have never found myself attracted to cis males or FTMs.

I'm gay and only date men.  I am attracted to male-identified people.  I used to think that any potential partner needed to be cis, that one of us needed a standard-issue penis.  However I've discovered that even cis-men in my age bracket don't always have a standard-issue penis that works as designed.  I have also met an amazing trans guy who I would date in a heartbeat and knowing him I don't really care what is in his pants, I'm attracted to him, and that part is suddenly irrelevant to me.  Who knows who I will end up with but not into women AT ALL (well, other than as friends!).


Jay

I know I already posted, but just want to say that I've been comfortable saying I'm bi lately (now that I can actually be attracted to people again) by which I mean pan, but pan reminds me of frying pans.

I was solely interested in women up until about 6 months into starting testosterone. Then things got weird and now I identify as pansexual because for some reason, I'm now attracted to men.
It's a strange thing to live 22 years of your life being attracted to only women and then out of nowhere one day you wake up and you're attracted to men as well. I'm still trying to work that out in my head.

I'm actually a demisexual (person who only develops or desires a sexual relationship after forming a close, emotional bond with someone) with pansexual interests. While I've never been necessarily attracted to ciswomen in a romantic or sexual way, I wouldn't discount the fact that I could be one day if I met a gal whose personality clicked with me (just hasn't happened yet). I'm currently married to a wonderful and supportive pansexual man who couldn't be happier to help me become the true me. :)

Also demisexual here. And also a pan/bisexual attraction, BUT strongly gravitating towards guys. Depends a bit each day... sometimes I have like really "gay" days, lol. While other days I feel like more attracted to women. But in the end I'd go with anyone who fits well with me character/personality wise, regardless of gender, looks, whether he/she is trans, etc.
But still have to find this person...

I identify as pansexual with a preference for masculinity. In the end it doesn't really matter what your sex or gender is to my attraction.

My sexual orientation is a big question mark. When talking to my friends I usually say I'm gay for simplicity's sake since I've only dated guys, but 'homoromantic' would probably be a better term to use since I've only ever experienced romantic attraction. I have very low sexual attraction to anyone, and at this point I'm not sure whether it's how I am naturally, the effects of dysphoria, or just a lack of confidence. I don't think I would rule out a relationship with a woman or GQ/agender/neutrois person if I were interested though.

Zambie, personally I thought I was asexual before I "discovered" I was trans. Just the mere thought of having sex like a woman was such a major turn-off I had no sex drive left.
And even now it's very low. But it's there. So I know I'm not asexual at least (tho demisexual is part of the asexual umbrella thing)
I also think I might be more attracted to guys cause when I imagine being with a girl, I just want a dick. Simple as that.

Personally, I'm bi/panromantic grayheterosexual. It sounds more complicated than it is, basically I can be romantically attracted to anyone, and I'm mainly sexually attracted to women (but graysexual, similar to asexual, means that I don't feel extreme sexual attraction or the need for sexual acts). However, I am attracted to FtMs and some other genderqueer people.

I think in terms of sexual attraction or the desire for sex with someone, it depends mostly on what the sex would be, so basically it would depend on their genitals, but I can still feel attracted to anyone regardless of what they have, who they are, or their gender.

I am open to anything hahahahaha... true story

I think its the person I will fall in love with their exterior doesnt matter to me its whats inside that will attract me to them..

rads xx

Quote from: radsi on January 28, 2014, 05:59:58 PM
I am open to anything hahahahaha... true story

I think its the person I will fall in love with their exterior doesnt matter to me its whats inside that will attract me to them..

rads xx

Yeah, I think there's a big difference, at least for me, between loving / feeling romantically attracted to someone and feeling sexually attracted to someone. Sure, there can be some overlap, but in the end I'm going to be in a relationship with someone who I love.

FtMs are as varied as cismen when it comes to sexuality and sexual practices.  Most of the transmen I know in person are straight and not interested in dating other men, even transmen.  I'm bisexual and prefer men(like my lovely boyfriend), though if I were single I'd consider cis or trans men and women.

I like chicks, so I consider myself a straight male

My gf only dated cis-guys before she met me, but she showed me that it doesn't matter the junk you have when you really love someone

95% Straight (seeking straight born women or maybe MTF)
5% Bi (off chance of very cute gay man)
I don't like men enough to ever want a relationship with one that and due to the percentage I just say I'm straight. Also I don't think I'd be comfortable with another FTM.

Quote from: ty.to.the.man on March 28, 2011, 07:19:12 PM
but race does change your looks somtimes and people mite prefer the look of say asians over african americans or somthing like that. but i understand what you are saying.

I also prefer non-white. I'm not very attracted to my own race and love darker skin. The contrast is beautiful (I'm a pasty ginger). Along with tone of voice and other stuff. Mmm

I was with a few guys in my younger (high school/college) years, but then identified as "mostly" lesbian for almost 10 years. Now that I'm transitioning, I think maybe it was filling the "female" role in the relationship that I disliked, and not so much the guys themselves. So I'm really curious/excited to try being with guys again, and for the moment I'm labeling myself pansexual, since I'd also be cool with seeing another trans* person.

I'm attracted to and partner with, cis, feminine females, most often, queer.  I would never not want to live in the queer world/community.  I prefer it to the heterosexual, straight world.

 I'm in a long term relationship with a cis man who I've been with since before my transition started. I draw the line at human, pansexual best describes that, but I've only had experience with men and so I gravitate toward saying I'm gay. I do prefer men for that reason, too, I think.

Hmm, I don't think it is possible really to say that one sexual orientation is the box for FtM's, I think it really depends from guy to guy. But me, personally, I'm not even sure what orientation I would place myself, does personality count? I don't know xD I just fall for the person and I don't think too much what is between their legs but I suppose lately I have been more attracted to men, both sic and trans (don't really see the difference anyways cause I find trans men just as much of as men as cis)

I'm straight not into other ftms at all really, I'll think some are good looking but that's it. I could be attracted to an mtf I've only met a few. My type is athletic women. I prefer woman who are tall but shorter than me but I've been attracted to a lot of very tall women. I've been attracted to women of various ethnicities. In my opinion big boobs aren't a necessity, shape and proportion is much more important. I also have a thing for eyes in everyone not just in romantic interests.

My current girlfriend of almost a year is 5'6" does dance and track. She cute as hell. Dirty blonde hair, pretty blue green eyes. She has abs, not a necessity at all, but a nice plus.

Personality is the biggest thing for me which is why I've been attracted to such a wide variety of women. I like fun and interesting people.

Mostly into guys, very occasionally attracted to women but more for fun than anything long-term. (And this includes both cis people and trans people, though I have a preference for cis guys because I like male gendered people and penises a lot.)

Quote from: birdline on February 08, 2014, 01:33:17 PM
I'm in a long term relationship with a cis man who I've been with since before my transition started. I draw the line at human, pansexual best describes that, but I've only had experience with men and so I gravitate toward saying I'm gay. I do prefer men for that reason, too, I think.

I totally could have wrote that haha, married to a cis man.

I'm Pansexual, with absolutely no preference for any one gender over the other, whether it be sexually or romantically. I also find that I have no preference either with cis or trans people, as long as they have a nice appearance and heart, I'm fine. I'm Polyamorous, though I don't know how that fits in with my Pansexuality. Current in a triad relationship with a bi cis guy and a straight cis girl.

Quote from: jade on December 28, 2010, 12:05:43 AM
Hi,
I'd like to learn about the sexual orientation of FtM's.
One FtM I was in touch with through the internet told me most FtM's are attracted to each other?
Is this true? What is their sexual pattern like? Thanks.  :D

If people arn't attractive to Ftms, they should, cause we are freaking hot
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getting abit more serious. no matter what gender identify you have sexual orientation is fluid so it all depend on each person. I do belive many transgneder are more openminded to be gay, bi pansexual and have other orientations, because (speaking by own experience) if you first came out as trans it usunally not that difficult to also come out as bi, or gay or whatever you like.

Many transgender who are ex attracted to men, also invold Men who wasn't asigned men at birth. For many it can also seams to be more easy in a way. If you join alot of suport groups and trans comunity you may find people there where you can talk and have something in common. There won't be the same fear of "what will he think when he find out im trans" or "he will never understand this part" I think this understanding is the main reason or + on being with someone trans than cis. Sure theres also cisgender who do understand alot on what it like to be trans and who are openminded, but unfurtunatly there not that common again, when you are trans you almost recive these basic knowlegde as you experience them by yourself.
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ok i know i said this before, about my sexual orientation is straight, cause I like girls

but my question is how does your families see you? Even though i'm going through this transition, my family and my gf's family still sees me as a chick because I was born with no penis, and considers me gay, even though in my mind, I don't feel gay at all, it feels more gay to be with a dude in my mind (I mean no offense with the gay word). Honestly, I don't know how to get them to see this differently, cause even when I start looking more manly and grow a beard, I feel like they will still see me as a chick and just being a lesbian. Yet in my mind, I still feel straight. Its something I need to talk to the therapist about, I just wanted to know if anyone else gets where i'm coming from or is going through the same thing.

I struggled with my sexual orientation a lot until I transitioned. Now that I've been living as male for a few years, I identify as pansexual. My boyfriend is also FtM, but he is gay, and attracted to me anyway. So he's attracted towards males regardless of their body.

Before I started living as male, I identified as a lesbian for a long time. It was weird to me, because I was attracted to men, but I didn't want to date or sleep with them. I realized after my transition that I was only dating/sleeping with girls because I felt like I could "be the man" in the relationship (which I know is sort of wrong, but hopefully it makes sense.) Dating guys before I was presenting male was awkward because they would always treat me "like a girl," which was never their fault - they were only ever just being polite, holding doors, paying for meals, etc. They didn't know. So I realized later that I DID want to date boys - just ones that saw me as a boy, too.

Quote from: birkin on January 04, 2014, 09:37:18 AM
Having read this and your earlier post, I'd like to encourage you not to give up hope. :) First of all, the person who told you you had to go to the lesbian group is ridiculous...even if she saw you as female, you don't like girls! Lol. Can you imagine someone going to a lesbian group and being like "yeah, um, so I actually don't like girls all that much." Just think about how silly it is for her to say that. And there are lots of gay trans men! It's a little harder when you're pre-transition, I think (I'm not gay so it's all hearsay for me from other guys), but there are gay men who date trans men and see them for the men they are. I actually know a few in real life and they were really nice guys.

She said I could go to the lesbian one because I was dressed like I prefer but my face and size is that of a female child... I have precious puberty so I grew barely over 5 feet. She just perceived me as a butch lesbian. I have one of those faces that looks very femme when bald. Since I'm black they just think I'm a lesbian who can't grow hair well even though I'm very have no facial hair.


I'm not necessarily gay either. I like other genders. I just constantly look at myself people always say I'd make a pretty girl that I'm too small to be anything else. If I try to put my height in as male it says that it's not a valid male height I have to be at least 5'2". I'm smaller than most women so that's my biggest issue is that I don't know how convincing I might be. But I do know a transman my height. And he's got a wife she's transgender as well. He passes well with facial hair. I have a male build people at I have a ->-bleeped-<- look as far as my body goes but my face... My lips are the worst part. They're so big they look so big... And I have a small nose and larger eyes. I have a slim face though and square jaw and I try to color in my eyebrows to give a harder look. People still call me girl. I've been to my dr and seeing a therapist I just wonder if I can actually be fixed.

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Before I started living as male, I identified as a lesbian for a long time. It was weird to me, because I was attracted to men, but I didn't want to date or sleep with them. I realized after my transition that I was only dating/sleeping with girls because I felt like I could "be the man" in the relationship (which I know is sort of wrong, but hopefully it makes sense.) Dating guys before I was presenting male was awkward because they would always treat me "like a girl," which was never their fault - they were only ever just being polite, holding doors, paying for meals, etc. They didn't know. So I realized later that I DID want to date boys - just ones that saw me as a boy, too.

^ This. Sums up my entire pre transition dating experience. I can totally relate.

Nowadays, I identify somewhere along the lines of pansexual, tilting towards guys/homoflexibility. I tend to be particularly drawn to boyish, borderline androgynous expressions of masculinity. Which has resulted in my attraction to a good few other FTM spectrum folks. The problem is, when I see a really good looking trans guy, I can't help but feel a tinge of jealously... do I wanna be him, or date him? The age old gay conundrum, only amplified by being trans.

Overall, though, I'm just attracted to people in general... men, women, non binary, trans, cis... It's all good :)

I consider myself bi, even though relationships with men never worked. I usually am more attracted towards female (trans or cis, obviously) bodies and minds and everyhing else.

I think the fact that I consider myself bi comes from two things:
-having been raised as a girl
-my transition, which led me to have a different perception of gender differences.
So I guess if I were born cis I would be just straight.