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http://transgenderhate.blogspot.com/2011/01/kare11-nbc-affiliate-minneapolis.html (http://transgenderhate.blogspot.com/2011/01/kare11-nbc-affiliate-minneapolis.html)

MINNEAPOLIS -- A Blaine man was charged Friday with second degree murder for the violent death of the boyfriend he met on line.

Bates, who lived as a transgender female, was discovered dead in his apartment January 11 after someone became concerned about his welfare. Officers found him laying on the ground with numerous injuries.

I tried writing a response but nothing comes to describe the author (of the news article).

Disrespectful is the least of it; especially for reporting.

     Very disrespectful, at a minimum ignorant.  Media is one of the most potent tools in producing change in a society and it is dis-hearting to see ours conducting its self in such a manner.

      -Violet

Thank you for participating! Every little bit of this offensive trans related media we can educate can possibly make life a little better for our future.

I sent a complain to the station.

also sent a complaint
although I would rather watch fox 9 or abc (5) for news, wcco and kare 11 generally suck at reporting

KSTP also just screwed up the story >.<
http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1936474.shtml?cat=1 (http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1936474.shtml?cat=1)

http://kstp.com/form/mailStory.html?storyID=1936474 (http://kstp.com/form/mailStory.html?storyID=1936474)

fire away

I guess I'm switching to Fox 9. BTW, there was a vigil for Krissy Bates tonight - I wonder if/how those stations covered it.

Quote from: ClaireA on January 22, 2011, 02:32:09 AM
I guess I'm switching to Fox 9. BTW, there was a vigil for Krissy Bates tonight - I wonder if/how those stations covered it.

I haven't seen any improper articles yet. If anyone comes across any let me know.

It is factual reporting. If the transgender is not a transsexual that legally changed their name and gender I find no problem with the way they reported it.  If they reported none facts for the purpose to be politically correct they would be doing an injustice to facts and open to legal problems.

Quote from: lisagurl on January 22, 2011, 08:54:57 PM
It is factual reporting. If the transgender is not a transsexual that legally changed their name and gender I find no problem with the way they reported it.  If they reported none facts for the purpose to be politically correct they would be doing an injustice to facts and open to legal problems.

What you suggest doing, and what the article does, goes against the guidelines set down for journalists by the Associated Press.  See http://www.transgenderlaw.org/press.htm (http://www.transgenderlaw.org/press.htm)

For you to say it would be factually incorrect for them to refer to a transgender MTF person using female pronouns betrays your own prejudices.

goes against the guidelines set down for journalists by the Associated Press

Only people writing for the AP are required to use those guidelines, and even then, they are guides, not rules.

Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2011, 12:19:58 PM
goes against the guidelines set down for journalists by the Associated Press

Only people writing for the AP are required to use those guidelines, and even then, they are guides, not rules.

"The Bible of the newspaper industry." -- American Bookseller

The Bible of....

Perfect comparison, so it's pretty much used in a highly selective manner, and then, only when convenient.

And those journalists who transgress it's proscriptions are going to the hell of yesterday's news.

QuoteFor you to say it would be factually incorrect for them to refer to a transgender MTF person using female pronouns betrays your own prejudices.

If a person is not legally changed their sex or their name the Media has a responsibility to report the legal name and sex. In that light the pronouns should match. If you are going to transition you need to be diligent and honest with yourself and the public of who you are. Transition is not for the faint hearted or the lazy. It takes much hard work and effort. Anything less is not transition and leads me to believe that they are not serious. It reflects on the whole transsexual population that we have unworthy people in our ranks. It gives a very poor image to the public and even worse when the community supports people that are breaking the law.

I am not prejudice but I do discriminate between good and bad.

Quote from: lisagurl on January 24, 2011, 08:19:17 PM
If a person is not legally changed their sex or their name the Media has a responsibility to report the legal name and sex. In that light the pronouns should match. If you are going to transition you need to be diligent and honest with yourself and the public of who you are. Transition is not for the faint hearted or the lazy. It takes much hard work and effort. Anything less is not transition and leads me to believe that they are not serious. It reflects on the whole transsexual population that we have unworthy people in our ranks. It gives a very poor image to the public and even worse when the community supports people that are breaking the law.

Do you think a pre-op transitioner in RLT whose state of birth will not change her legal sex without surgery should tell people she's a man and ask them to refer to her with masculine pronouns?  What about FTMs?  Most of them never get bottom surgery becasue of the expense.  It sure sounds like you are saying only those who fully surgically transition deserve to be viewed as members of the transition sex, and others are not legitimate.

Quote
I am not prejudice but I do discriminate between good and bad.

"Good" and "bad" are labels people put on things to try and create prejudice without justification.  Why not say "harmful" and "harmless," except that's not what you really mean.

It sure sounds like you are saying only those who fully surgically transition deserve to be viewed as members of the transition sex, and others are not legitimate.

It would be nice to have a bright line somewhere between 'because I said so' and 'finished with everything.'  Most legal distinctions are based on at least some form of surgery that is non-reversible.

are going to the hell
They are already in the Twin Cities, major media market it is not, more like a trip to nowhere.

Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2011, 10:28:39 PM

It would be nice to have a bright line somewhere between 'because I said so' and 'finished with everything.' 

"Because I said so" IS the bright line.  And the self-identification is the only vote that counts.

...and then, cooler heads prevailed, we all got along, and then found $5.

Good news - Kare11's follow-up story is much better:
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=902827 (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=902827)

Still, it's a terrible tragedy that something like this happened. :(

Nice looking guy, so be careful who you date, bad dating has ruined more lives than bad drugs could ever dream of.

Quote from: lisagurl on January 22, 2011, 08:54:57 PM
It is factual reporting. If the transgender is not a transsexual that legally changed their name and gender I find no problem with the way they reported it.  If they reported none facts for the purpose to be politically correct they would be doing an injustice to facts and open to legal problems.

  This statement flies in the face of respecting gender identity.

   I'm a Transsexual woman, scheduled for GRS. Lets say I died tomorrow or had a health condition that made GRS prohibitive..  If the poster is suggesting that someone like me be referred to as, "he," she needs to re-evaluate her stance concerning responsibility to the greater Transgender community.

KARE11 has re-edited the story to show proper respect to Krissy Bate's female identity. Thanks to everyone who helped make this happen! Hugs all around!

http://transgenderhate.blogspot.com/2011/01/kare11-nbc-affiliate-minneapolis.html (http://transgenderhate.blogspot.com/2011/01/kare11-nbc-affiliate-minneapolis.html)

MINNEAPOLIS -- A Blaine man was charged Friday with second degree murder for the violent death of the boyfriend he met on line.


UPDATE: NEW TEXT
MINNEAPOLIS -- A Blaine man was charged Friday with second degree murder for the violent death of the girlfriend he met on line.

Bates, who lived as a transgender female, was discovered dead in his apartment January 11 after someone became concerned about his welfare. Officers found him laying on the ground with numerous injuries.


UPDATE: NEW TEXT


Bates, who lived as a transgender female, was discovered dead in her apartment January 11 after someone became concerned about her welfare. Officers found her laying on the ground with numerous injuries.

she met on line

That's the part that people should take heed of.

Quote from: tekla on January 25, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
she met on line

That's the part that people should take heed of.

oi!

I met my husband online!

Perhaps, but it seems to be a common thread running in a lot of these murders.

Quote from: tekla on January 25, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
she met on line

That's the part that people should take heed of.

One of my best friends who I have known close to 12 years is someone I met online. :)

Dana Lane,

Thank you for posting this. When you first put it up I responded to the links that you suggested with the information that you provided.  Your posts are not only informative you help us to take action by readily providing the appropriate links and information which expedites the follow up for us.

I love your cute avatar by the way.

Hugs.
Patty

Quote from: Mrs Erocse on January 25, 2011, 09:50:51 AM
Dana Lane,

Thank you for posting this. When you first put it up I responded to the links that you suggested with the information that you provided.  Your posts are not only informative you help us to take action by readily providing the appropriate links and information which expedites the follow up for us.

I love your cute avatar by the way.

Hugs.
Patty

aww, thanks Patty. :)

QuoteDo you think a pre-op transitioner in RLT whose state of birth will not change her legal sex without surgery should tell people she's a man and ask them to refer to her with masculine pronouns?

If they legally changed their name something done when going full time they would not have trouble with pronouns. Many do not even do that much less get therapy. You can even change the gender on your Driver lic. and passport before surgery. That would satisfy legal requirements.

Quote from: lisagurl on January 25, 2011, 02:20:46 PM
If they legally changed their name something done when going full time they would not have trouble with pronouns. Many do not even do that much less get therapy. You can even change the gender on your Driver lic. and passport before surgery. That would satisfy legal requirements.

I find it truly saddening that transgender people have to get a court order for certain other transgender people to recognize and respect their self identified gender.

I'm sure glad that the local news coverage got it right.  I'm sure she's going to be coming back from the dead any day now.

You know it makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit every time I read one of these posts where the language used by some third-trier media clown seems more important than the fact that someone was killed.  But that would be my silly values.  I'm sure I'm missing something really important point here.

I can only imagine your exorcistic spew at reading a post not only focusing on the language used, but defending the misgendering of the victim by said third tier media clown.  Poor Tekla.

When you focus attention on the media coverage, and not the crime, you're changing the focus from the victim to yourself.

By your logic we can never complain about poor and prejudicial media coverage of transgender victims.  What a farce.

QuoteNot in all states.....

Then the effort should be the courts and not the media. The media is paid entertainment that can be shut down quick if people did not use it. People complain about the media they follow them like a piped piper and buy what they market. A said world when the people just can not turn it off.

Quote from: Dana Lane on January 25, 2011, 08:55:25 AM
KARE11 has re-edited the story to show proper respect to Krissy Bate's female identity. Thanks to everyone who helped make this happen! Hugs all around!]

Great job Dana!  Thank you.

Quote from: glendagladwitch on January 25, 2011, 07:05:36 PM
I find it truly saddening that transgender people have to get a court order for certain other transgender people to recognize and respect their self identified gender.

What is worse is you are responding to Ms. Anti Government. hehe