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Look at the top of my avatar. It says "Veteran, US Army". That means no pass for messing up our national song. My Dad served in Korea, rest his soul, and he won't give you a pass either. I stand and put my hand over my heart for that song, even in my living room. I usually sing along. That's what I was doing Sunday night when the words that come to my lips so naturally no longer matched what I was hearing. Let the service bands play at the big events, not some ignoramus that will mess it up. Phew, had to get that out, Tracey

Yes, what an idiot she is to mess up the anthem, and how disgraceful and disrespectful. I can only be glad I missed that tragedy. though i had a feeling someone would mess up the anthem during it actually.

Yes, what an idiot she is to mess up the anthem, and how disgraceful and disrespectful.

And, I suppose that had you been there in CA place, in front of over 100K people, on world wide television, no band, no set, no nothing, that you would have been perfect?  Or - more likely - you would not have even got the first note out.  My guess is that had that been you there the only thing the TV audience would have got was a yellow stream running down your leg.  If you think what she did was easy, you have no concept of what it was she was asked to do.

BTW, the NATIONAL anthem of the USA, belongs to 'we the people' not 'we the military'.

The people, as in 'we the people' paid for this nation, that anthem belongs to all of us.

And if you think she ->-bleeped-<-ed it up, she's not even in the ballpark - figuratively and literally speaking.

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well i guess everyone's entitled to their own opinions, eh?

Maybe if she wasn't constantly trying to overstrain her voice in an attempt to make herself sound more talented than she actually is, she might have been able to remember the lyrics.

Well here is the deal.

1. It's almost an impossible song to sing, the range required is beyond most vocalists.

2.  (This is critical here) Without a band to give you a key, the natural tendency is to start a couple of notes too high, and when you do that, you run out of range at the top of the song (what so proudly we hailed) and you really butcher it, because the only choice you have at that moment is to go low (flat) and just suck.

3. Jerry Jones wanted Faith Hill to do it.  She refused, and FOX said NO NO NO NO, because she does the theme to some other networks football show.  But the real deal is, she said no, lot of people do, it's a gig from hell.  I'll bet that CA was not the second choice either, or even the third.

I mean there VG, how come they had to go find some LA girl, and couldn't not find one of the several outstanding Texas talents (or even one of the thousands of mediocre Texas talents) to do it.  Because they all said 'no.'  No one in their right mind wants to do that song (Beyoncé excluded, who BTW, rocked it - and that's why she's Beyonce, and the other two girls in Destiny's Child, are who?  Yeah, two other girls, not Beyonce.) on world-wide TV, live, in a stadium, without any accompaniment.

But go for it Rex, let me see how you pull off walking out in front of all of those people, 100,000+, and the cameras, and not let it bother you.  It's remarkably harder than it looks.  It turns out it's not like doing it in your bedroom singing into your hairbrush.  It's like some kid who sits on the bed and shreds the guitar thinking he's Kirk Hammett.  He's not, he's only playing one song, over and over again until he gets it right, while Kirk is doing 2.5 hours of that a night, on cue, at 9, every night of the tour.

I mean it might look easy, but the reason they are multi-millionaires (other than luck) is that it's a lot harder than it looks.

Still, at least it wasn't Lee Dewyze who sang the Anthem. :angel:

I do agree that if your singing in the Superbowl you should at least get the lyrics down, but mistakes do happen. I'm sure she's feeling a lot worse about it than anyone else, but maybe that's just me. ???

It wasn't so much she just was off key, it was the fact she messed up the words.  How many years have we been sing this song, at every ball game, hockey game.  We have been taught the words growing up and you can get a copy of the song anywhere.

May be she should have read them.

People do occasionally get off key singing the National Anthem, and most folks will let it go and look on with appreciation none the less...

But she messed up the lyrics... She is a highly paid "professional" singer... There are
NO GOOD EXCUSES...imo

You know that 'monitor' wedge that is projecting in front of your favorite pop singer is probably not audio, it's video, it's a teleprompter because he's so coked out he cant remember the lyrics to the big hit song he wrote.

Or, perhaps, as I assume is the case here, it's very easy to forget the worlds when you're working your butt off to stay in key (something that most people can't do with that song no matter what.)

Perhaps they should have got Rosanne Barr to do it.

Perhaps they should have got Rosanne Barr to do it
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Was it bad chimichanga or not enough spankings?  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

Quote from: Virginia Marie on February 07, 2011, 11:12:17 PM
People do occasionally get off key singing the National Anthem, and most folks will let it go and look on with appreciation none the less...

But she messed up the lyrics... She is a highly paid "professional" singer... There are
NO GOOD EXCUSES...imo

For the most part I do agree with you, but on the other hand that's like saying football players should never mess up since they get paid to play the game. However, I do agree that she shouldn't have messed up like that

LOL! i wish roseanne would do it again, that was friggin hilarious. hey, at least she didn't mess up the words =P

One, I wasn't implying the song belongs to the military. Two, I don't care about key and pitch, just know the words. Three, I performed in front of 25 people during a second grade play............and fainted!

I also serve in the US Army and had a massive amount of US pride before I went into the serves...

I guess it would have bothered me back then to see someone intentionally butchering it cause I was offended by Roseannes butt-scratch performance but now, I just don't have much to say about stuff like that anymore. :(

OK, everybody read the lyrics (how many of you really know them all?), announce to all your friends and neighbors that you will be singing it in the street the next day. Could you do it? if yes, then good. if no, then so what. I'll bet they won't be judging you on how well you did it, but by the fact that you really went ahead and gave it your best shot.

How many people have screwed it up in the past, Pro's and just somebody who decided to give it a try? Come on, what's the ratio of screwing it up to actually getting through it?

I'll give anybody an A+ for even trying. (except Rosanne Barr and those who intentionally screw it up, whether to be funny or not). Professional's make mistakes.

I wonder how many people even catch mistakes when they hear it. I'll bet that you could rewrite it so it sounded similar to the original and a lot of people wouldn't notice the difference when they read it, let alone hearing someone singing it that way. I wonder how many times that's happened, intentionally or not.

Even with a teleprompter, somebody is still going to screw it up. And it is out of the range of most professional singers you know. Even with musicians behind them (who may make a mistake themselves).

The only thing that really sucks is the media making such a big deal about it. And we all know how they never make mistakes.

Ativan

I agree wholeheartedly with Tekla.

The lack of empathy for a human error is astounding to me, but I suppose the amount of ignorance about this is not very surprising. There's a lot more involved. Tekla's right, words and pitch can get screwed up very easily by nerves, the band, the equipment, trying to stay in tune, etc... even for big professionals that have been performing their own songs for 20 years! I've seen it happen and I've experienced it as well. Performing isn't easy.

Professional doesn't mean 'inhuman.' Professional doesn't mean they wont screw up, even on the lyrics, even if they rehearse it over and over.

A 2nd grade experience with only 25 people watching still doesn't compare to the magnitude of that crowd. I've performed in front of sizable crowds before, and you'd think that nerves alone would be enough but when the crowd stretches on almost for more than you can see, it's a whole new level and experience. It goes beyond performance anxiety at that point.

So I'm sorry it offends you that someone made a very human error on your national anthem. An anthem that is a really really annoying song to get right. A whole bunch of self-entitled people are already furious with them for an error that shouldn't be as blown out of proportion as it is now.

But then I suppose it's simply just easier to judge people and put them down than to have a shred of empathy.

I do feel sad for her... That's got to be one of the most embarrassing things to happen to a singer

But still, it's not like goofing on the lyrics of a rock song... No-one's gonna walk away thinking...

"Dude!!! That was a cool version of that one"

I still think she's a great singer though

This seems to be a problem for a number of nations. A French person, mispronouncing their words, or worse, speaking English is headed for the guilotine.

The problem, when everyone is expected to achieve such impossible standards, is that few ever will and those that criticise, enevitably can't.

Makes me glad to live in England, where nothing is held to be sacrosanct.

Sex Pistols - God Save The Queen (Live) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wKSWzA3OIY#)

Personally when I heard her being made fun of for hours last night on the radio I started to think about it and really... how many people actually know every single word? I did.... when I was still in school. I know every word to the pledge. Bet she does too but how many times do we encounter that song after school?

I agree with Tekla it's a hard song to do let alone sing and get every word right in the exact right order. I'm sure she isn't the first to get it wrong. BTW Tracey this isn't necessarily aimed at you I just wish that everyone would give her a break... She screwed up. Even professional football players drop a ball occasionally everyone messes up sometimes and if it wasn't intentional I don't think it should be held against them.   

Quote from: Tracey on February 07, 2011, 07:20:01 PM
Look at the top of my avatar. It says "Veteran, US Army". That means no pass for messing up our national song. My Dad served in Korea, rest his soul, and he won't give you a pass either. I stand and put my hand over my heart for that song, even in my living room. I usually sing along. That's what I was doing Sunday night when the words that come to my lips so naturally no longer matched what I was hearing. Let the service bands play at the big events, not some ignoramus that will mess it up. Phew, had to get that out, Tracey

OH come on.. Its not like its deliberate. She made a mistake

I read Christina's apology, and being big enough to acknowledge mistakes counts for a lot. So here's your pass, Christina, and I apologize for calling you an ignoramus. But getting back to my original thoughts, if the service bands make a mistake playing the National Anthem, the firing squad option is always available..........

btw i am mostly annoyed going on the fact that she may have just not known the lyrics, not that she screwed up. everyone screws up, for some reason i had the feeling she just didn't care enough to make sure she knew all the words right. maybe im being judgemental on her and 'what type of person' she is but thats how i am so what can i say

Just chipping in from another country.
I understand Tracey's feelings and that she is big enough to think through all of the stuff, does demonstrate she an understands the words.  And Tracey I do not mean that in any condescending  way. I do feel your Patriotism and I do acknowledge it. And I thank you for what you have done to protect your country and mine, I may not agree with policy but I do appreciate the service that brave people have an do carry through with.

The song is terrible from any singers point of view. But the proud (?) thing that USA has is that less than half the population know the words (World Poll), yet you guys sing it every day at school? (That is a question). Most Australians have not a clue what the National anthem is. Waltzing Matilda, Australia Fair, Sun burnt country, Tie my Didgeridoo Doo Down, God Save the Queen. I think it is one of them. Feel free to poll.

Tekla's memory may recall;  at an  (recent) Olympics the host nation played the totally wrong song for a  country that had won a gold. I don't remember but it was very embarrassing. As the athlete was standing on the podium. I really don't think it is worth going to war on these things. I do remember RB rendition, as an Australian I thought that was disgusting.

Oh well.

Things that heat us up. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Cindy

Given that most people barely know their own country's national anthem, I am surprised there has been so much fuss, but then again the Media were involved from the start.

Has anyone ever sat down and read the words of some national anthems?  Most of them are pretty lame or downright bloodthirsty/morbid. At least the US one is sort of uplifting, even if it is archaically worded. 

Next time there is an international team sport on TV, see how many of the players look like they don't know the words, or wish they were somewhere else.

"Australian all love ostriches, four minus one is three,
We all have sandwiches for lunch, and steak and veg for tea."   Primary School student's mondergreen version! :laugh:

Quote from: CindyJames on February 09, 2011, 03:53:08 AM
I do feel your Patriotism and I do acknowledge it.

I would like to add this as well.

We don't have these sensitivities here in the UK. As far as I know, this is quite rare in most societies. But I do try to respect the feelings of others.

But you have to admit, The Sex Pistols were good.  ;D

it happens. i remember one time this girl doing ours (i think it was at some football match, oh shame) messed up the word for flourish and we ended up "boiling in the radiance of bliss"^^
it was rather awkward and i figured she's ashamed enough and shouldn't be bothered further...

Well the USA has Jimmi Hendrix playing the SSB at Woodstock, and that caused no end of outrage, and bonus points for him being a real musician and not a marketing ploy like the SP.

Billy Connelly : National Anthem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nnnM-__JQ#)

I'm so glad the people in the UK aren't as patriotic as america.

I don't even know what our national anthem is and I don't care either I just know it has something to do with the queen ::), I feel no pride for the bit of land called england or the people who run it. I'm glad I live in a country with good human rights ect but the england is not special in that as other countries do to.

The US anthem is very difficult to sing and has an awkward melody. It's based on the melody of a drinking song. I dislike having to sing it, as I am practically tone deaf and it is not an easy song to sing.

Our national anthem (Sweden), well, people know the first part, "You old, you free, you mountainous North, you silent and joyful beauty, I salute you, the fairest country upon Earth; your sun, your sky, and your green meadows!".
The part people forget is: "Your throne is of memories from proud and ancient days, when honoured your name flew across the Earth, I know that you are and will remain what you were, yes I want to live and die in the North!" Oddly, not once is the word Sweden mentioned, just a vague North.
The mischievous children's version is "You old, you ugly, you ridicuolously fat cow, you eat only chips and Coca-Cola...".

Quote from: Nathan. on February 09, 2011, 01:43:35 PM
I'm so glad the people in the UK aren't as patriotic as america.

I don't even know what our national anthem is and I don't care either I just know it has something to do with the queen ::), I feel no pride for the bit of land called england or the people who run it. I'm glad I live in a country with good human rights ect but the england is not special in that as other countries do to.

Well maybe you ought to leave then. Go and see just how tolerant a lot of other countries really are. When you find out that they don't suit you maybe you will appreciate what you have here in the UK.

Quote from: spacial on February 09, 2011, 09:56:06 AM
Billy Connelly : National Anthem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nnnM-__JQ#)

Spacial, you crack me up. When I read the first post last night, my mind immediately flew to Billy Connolly taking the p*ss out of our National Anthem! "We're from Jeblovia and we don't give a sh*t!" Classic!

When the National Anthem starts playing in the UK, about a quarter of the audience will stand, a quarter will start getting up and then sit down again, a quarter will shuffle about guiltily in their seats, and the remaining quarter will ignore it completely and carry on a conversation with their mate. Anyone standing up, putting their hand over their heart and singing whole-heartedly is viewed with immediate suspicion, but then this is the UK, where making an exhibition of yourself is seen as the Worst Thing You Can Do (next to blowing your own trumpet and telling poeple how much you earn).

Quote from: Nathan. on February 09, 2011, 01:43:35 PM
I'm so glad the people in the UK aren't as patriotic as america.

I don't even know what our national anthem is and I don't care either I just know it has something to do with the queen ::), I feel no pride for the bit of land called england or the people who run it. I'm glad I live in a country with good human rights ect but the england is not special in that as other countries do to.

God Save The Queen, Nathan. Billy Connolly was right - it's a terrible old dirge, but there are some fun verses in it - the bit about crushing rebellious Scots is quite funny, as is "frustrating their knavish tricks". Of course, no-one ever sings it beyond the first verse, and crushing Scots - rebellious or otherwise - is rather frowned upon these days.

The first verse is usually all that is sung of the Star Spangled Banner... There are however, four verses  :)

@ Cindy, thanks for the kind words!                             @ Catherine, I would have said the same thing!

Quote from: PixieBoy on February 09, 2011, 02:46:16 PMOur national anthem (Sweden), well, people know the first part, "You old, you free, you mountainous North, you silent and joyful beauty, I salute you, the fairest country upon Earth; your sun, your sky, and your green meadows!".
The part people forget is: "Your throne is of memories from proud and ancient days, when honoured your name flew across the Earth, I know that you are and will remain what you were, yes I want to live and die in the North!" Oddly, not once is the word Sweden mentioned, just a vague North.
The mischievous children's version is "You old, you ugly, you ridicuolously fat cow, you eat only chips and Coca-Cola...".

The Norwegian one starts off with "Yes, we love this country as it presents itself. Furrowed, weather-beaten across the water with the thousand homes. Love it, love it, and thinking about our fathers and mothers, and the saga night that lowers dreams over our Earth." We usually leave out the parts where "Even women stood up and fought, like they were men. Others could only weep, but we made up for it" and "All that our fathers have fought, and our mothers wept".

As for messing up your national anthem, it happens. Sometimes people with the best of intentions, who've practiced heavily and prepared themselves in every way, still screw up. It's called being human. I think people who make that kind of mistake need all the support and understanding they can get, 'cause the humiliation alone ought to be all the punishment they need. I understand why people get upset over it, but sometimes even the best of us screw up through no fault of our own. I almost failed Chinese because on exam day, after spending weeks preparing, all the knowledge got sucked out of my brain in the space of about 10 seconds so I could hardly form a basic sentence. This had been my life for quite a while, and I just... forgot every word. If that could happen, I could certainly stand up on stage ready to sing a song - any song - and just forget the lyrics. I like the following saying: "Everyone has a mess-up quota." As far as I'm concerned, this goes on hers, and it's a big one, but provided she doesn't forget that particular song again in an important setting, I'm not inclined to hold it against her.

Also, this was the Super Bowl, I believe? So it's about as high-pressure a situation as a singer is likely to ever find herself in.

This is kind of off topic, but it should be noted. If you are able to view or post on this wonderful website, you ought to be a tiny bit thankful to your government and military, they protect your freedom and free speech.

be a tiny bit thankful to your government and military

Actually they ought to be very, very thankful to our government and military or else they'd be writing this stuff in Deutsch.  Twice over.

Spacial,

Thank you for the BC post. I'd forgotten it. It made my evening.

It has been quite a while since I have been in the UK but I do remember the awkwardness of how people reacted when their NA was played.
I'm also not sure what you do as a foreigner, I presume if the countries NA is played you follow what everyone else does, in the USA that is to stand (?), in the UK it is to ignore it (?)

As Tracey and Tekla have pointed out our freedom to discuss such things has come at a shocking price, and one we should be, and I am, eternally grateful for. Casting our eyes over the Middle East should remind us of what freedom is and what it costs.

Cindy

Quote from: CindyJames on February 10, 2011, 01:49:48 AM
I'm also not sure what you do as a foreigner, I presume if the countries NA is played you follow what everyone else does, in the USA that is to stand (?), in the UK it is to ignore it (?)

Very much so Cindy. You give respect to receive it.

It should be said that the irreverence the English show toward national symbols is a long tradition going back almost 1000 years. There are numerous instances, including many of the nursery rhymes many of us know today. England has been governed by a long succession of outsiders, French, Welsh, Scots, Germans.

In regard to troops, for example, one of my favourite quips is, I support the troops, not the liars that sent them.

But the thing with the English, which I admire so much, is, when the chips are down, they stand together.

One of my favourite quips from WW2, during the bombing of the industrial cities, was, Hitler won't get us, he doesn't know our address.

Quote from: Catherine on February 09, 2011, 02:59:50 PM
Well maybe you ought to leave then. Go and see just how tolerant a lot of other countries really are. When you find out that they don't suit you maybe you will appreciate what you have here in the UK.

Why do you think I don't like england or appreciate it here? There are lot of things I like about living here, we have good humans rights, were not super religious, we don't get many natural disasters like tornadoes etc I just don't feel any pride for it. If someone or a group from england does something really heroic i'm not proud that they are english and so am I, i'm proud of them for doing somthing good. I don't feel special to be english and i'm not proud of my country as it's a bit of land, it's beautiful but not something I should be proud of.

Also I am thankfull to our military but not because they are english. I'm proud of the people in Egypt standing up for their rights but i'm not egyptian nor do I know anyone who is.

You really need to get out of the house more, (in this case, out of the nation), and take a stroll through the rest of the world.

Here is the basic deal.  If you have: a place to live that give you shelter from storms and can be heated when it's cold, have running water that is drinkable right from the tap, some food in the fridge and in your belly, have a bit of money, can read this, and have a computer, and are on the internet - then congratulations, you're living better than just about 99% of the rest of the people on this planet.

What's your point Tekla?

People should be:
1. More appreciative of what they have.
2. More understanding of how they came to have it
3. Far more aware of how easy it is to lose it.

Quote from: tekla on February 10, 2011, 09:14:58 AM
People should be:
1. More appreciative of what they have.
2. More understanding of how they came to have it
3. Far more aware of how easy it is to lose it.

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No doubt.

But with respect, I don't think you really understand the English psyche.

Don't worry too much, It too me many years.

In the county where I live, for example, English is spoken with three, quite distinctive accents, Hog, which is the traditional working class accent, a sort of working/middle class accent, with some interesting vowel sounds and the upper class accent. People speaking each of these might be born and raised, within a few hundred metres of each other.

Emigration in England is not the affair it is in the States. There, emigration tends to be seen as almost turning your back on your birthright. Here, it is seen as just trying something different. Those that don't emigrate demonstrate that they do like being here, they do appreciate this place and they stay put of choice.

I hold three passports, (potentially), I choose to stay.

Apart from the upper classes and those middle class people with social aspirations, patriotism and icon worship are almost unknown. Most here don't feel any need to demonstrate theirn loyality to this place, or any particular love for it. They are here by right.

I want you to know, I really do appreciate, that these notions are probably alien to you and most, in the likes of the US, plus many other countries. I found it incredably confusing when I first came. I had my head filled with warnings over impending communist invasion and the glory of the space race plus my continuing sorrow over the death of the late, late, late, late Kennedy. Yet these people played something called Cricket, with a piece of wood, a few twigs and a tennis ball they found in the gutter, in a back garden, that is about the size of the average US bathroom. They had 2 TV channels, no fridges, few owned a car and the old people were forever making references to 'The War'. When I asked, which war? I was, quite literlly, smacked on the side of my head.

I only started to understand these people, 3 years after I arrived.

But this is England. A strange, weird, facinating place with more variety than most of the world put together. They do things their way and always have done.

But with the greatest respect, suggesting those things to an Englishman is a bit like a 15 year old telling their parents they don't understand anything about life.

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I'd say I'm a patriotic Englishperson. I even have a union flag in my room and a cross of Saint George and I know the lyrics to the first verse of the national anthem - but really, it's just a song - and (in our case) a very dull song at that.

300 odd years ago, no one had a national song. Our national anthem was sung after plays during some of out mid-eighteenth century wars. We also had a song about 'hearts of oak' (which would have been a cracking anthem) and one about eating roast beef, which could have all been a national anthem. The symbols of nationhood are always fairly arbitrary and to take them too seriously would be very un-english.

Oh, and my favourite quote I heard was by an old man coughing and spluttering up from one of the tube trains after 7/7, saying, 'I've been bombed by better people than that'.

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Love that one  :laugh:

All  I know of the American national anthem is 'oh say can you see'.   I rather like the fact that Americans are all patriotic and know the entire lyrics to their NA.    I can't stand the British NA what a depressing dirge.  When they play it at the Olympics I cringe.

Hey, when it comes to national anthems the French just kick everyone's ass, La Marseillaise is so much better than all the rest combined it's hard to imagine why anyone has ever tried to write one after that.

Quote from: tekla on February 19, 2011, 10:06:26 PM
Hey, when it comes to national anthems the French just kick everyone's ass, La Marseillaise is so much better than all the rest combined it's hard to imagine why anyone has ever tried to write one after that.

Wonder what Christina's French accent is like? I almost posted something slightly different, by accident. :embarrassed:

Cindy

Yeah, well the French wouldn't think she was a good enough singer to start with.  They have taste.  When they had the 200 anniversary of the French Revolution they didn't even have a French person sing their anthem, they just went out and got the best, African-American mezzo-soprano Jessye Norman.  To see her wrapped in the tri color (imagine the howls if CA had wrapped herself in the flag, OMG!) in the open air beneath the Arc de Triomphe in Paris, well, just watch it.

La marseillaise 200 aniversario Revolución Francesa - La mar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QQ2k3UpHwQ#)

And that kids, is how you do it.

Of course there is always this version of La Marseillaise which never gets old.

La Marseillaise Casablanca (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTsg9i6lvqU#noexternalembed)