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Title: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on February 19, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Post by: ativan on February 19, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Today is the second day of my low dose HRT. I just want to let others here know that it is possible. Very possible. It took me a few months of 2-4 weeks apart sessions with the psychologist. It would have been shorter, if I had been more trusting. I went in with the idea that it wasn't going to happen. A blood draw, results faxed in to the Dr there, and I walked out with my script.
Monthly check ups with both the Dr and Psych, for three months, then every three months, and then annually. I have room to move in the dosage, either lower or higher. We also discussed the possibility of using estrogen, should I want to.
Monthly check ups with both the Dr and Psych, for three months, then every three months, and then annually. I have room to move in the dosage, either lower or higher. We also discussed the possibility of using estrogen, should I want to.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Rock_chick on February 19, 2011, 11:17:34 AM
Post by: Rock_chick on February 19, 2011, 11:17:34 AM
Awesome ;D
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Daen on February 19, 2011, 12:23:08 PM
Post by: Daen on February 19, 2011, 12:23:08 PM
Its very encouraging to know if I find I want to take that path.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Simone Louise on February 19, 2011, 12:52:43 PM
Post by: Simone Louise on February 19, 2011, 12:52:43 PM
Quote from: ativan on February 19, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Today is the second day of my low dose HRT. .... We also discussed the possibility of using estrogen, should I want to.
Congratulations. What hormone are you taking? I ask with more than idle curiosity; I am scheduled to discuss HRT on my next therapist appointment.
S
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Virginia on February 19, 2011, 08:34:27 PM
Post by: Virginia on February 19, 2011, 08:34:27 PM
You made it past an incredible hurdle. It took me nine months but as few and far between as we are, there is hope for androgynes who need to start HRT.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Sevan on February 19, 2011, 08:40:18 PM
Post by: Sevan on February 19, 2011, 08:40:18 PM
Congrat!!!! I'm also curious what constitutes "low dose"':) There's so much variance and ways to go about this path.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: no_id on March 02, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
Post by: no_id on March 02, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
Congratulations, and thank-you for pointing out the possibility to those who may feel (after some necessary and good chit-chats with themselves) that HRT may be the right path for them.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on March 02, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
Post by: ativan on March 02, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
I was going to update this in a few days at the 2 week mark.
But, today has made me a smiling happy person.
Things are good, a very slow feeling of wellness, and the raging anger has all but stopped. I ran into a situation that would have made me very angry, and like magic, only an annoyed feeling. I didn't even realize it happened until I was thinking about it later. I hesitate to say anything at this point as far as general emotions go, but I'm really thinking this is exactly what I should be doing.
But, today has made me a smiling happy person.
Things are good, a very slow feeling of wellness, and the raging anger has all but stopped. I ran into a situation that would have made me very angry, and like magic, only an annoyed feeling. I didn't even realize it happened until I was thinking about it later. I hesitate to say anything at this point as far as general emotions go, but I'm really thinking this is exactly what I should be doing.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on March 02, 2011, 11:12:54 AM
Post by: ativan on March 02, 2011, 11:12:54 AM
http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=482# (http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=482#)
This will bring you to the proposed changes (at this time) from the DSM IV to the DSM 5.
Of interest to myself, and probably you, is article 16 under rational. It states that there is a gender spectrum. Also note that the useage of GID is changed to GI.
And what I think is of great importance to all Transgender folk is the 'exit clause'.
Once you are where you want to be in the spectrum, you are considered normal.
This eliminates the psychological notion that once you have a GID, you always have a GID. Not so. You can have a GI, and once that is taken care of....Transgender folk are as normal as everyone else. It ends right there the hate group type of people, that you are abnormal. No ammunition. No reason for discrimination.
There is hope, there is a way. My Psychologist is mentioned a couple times as reference. If your Dr or therapist can't figure it out, refer them to the new changes.
Or PM me. I'll give you the name and who they should talk to. It's also something they do there. Give out information.
This will bring you to the proposed changes (at this time) from the DSM IV to the DSM 5.
Of interest to myself, and probably you, is article 16 under rational. It states that there is a gender spectrum. Also note that the useage of GID is changed to GI.
And what I think is of great importance to all Transgender folk is the 'exit clause'.
Once you are where you want to be in the spectrum, you are considered normal.
This eliminates the psychological notion that once you have a GID, you always have a GID. Not so. You can have a GI, and once that is taken care of....Transgender folk are as normal as everyone else. It ends right there the hate group type of people, that you are abnormal. No ammunition. No reason for discrimination.
There is hope, there is a way. My Psychologist is mentioned a couple times as reference. If your Dr or therapist can't figure it out, refer them to the new changes.
Or PM me. I'll give you the name and who they should talk to. It's also something they do there. Give out information.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: rite_of_inversion on March 05, 2011, 02:23:28 AM
Post by: rite_of_inversion on March 05, 2011, 02:23:28 AM
When is that DSM coming out?
B/c, seriously, I suspect that's going to change treatment protocol a lot, for the places that don't do androgyne transitions...meaning it's going to be a lot easier for androgynes to get hormonal access.
I would like to look into a low-dose hormones at some point-look into doesn't commit me to actually taking them, just go, have my base levels checked, discuss the pros and cons with a doc.
B/c, seriously, I suspect that's going to change treatment protocol a lot, for the places that don't do androgyne transitions...meaning it's going to be a lot easier for androgynes to get hormonal access.
I would like to look into a low-dose hormones at some point-look into doesn't commit me to actually taking them, just go, have my base levels checked, discuss the pros and cons with a doc.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Emerald on March 05, 2011, 02:55:06 AM
Post by: Emerald on March 05, 2011, 02:55:06 AM
Quote from: hylie random on March 05, 2011, 02:23:28 AM
When is that DSM coming out?
Two years from now, 2013.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on March 21, 2011, 12:51:53 PM
Post by: ativan on March 21, 2011, 12:51:53 PM
I'm a little past the one month mark. The Dr upped my dosage to twice what it was. There doesn't seem to be much change. It makes me think that the low dose I was taking was sufficient to help me be where I wanted. I'll try this dose for the next month, and make a decision about how I feel about it then. I do still feel this was the right decision for me.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Eva Marie on March 21, 2011, 05:09:40 PM
Post by: Eva Marie on March 21, 2011, 05:09:40 PM
Ativan-
Have you noticed any changes in moods or in general happiness? Has HRT evened out your highs and lows any?
Have you noticed any changes in moods or in general happiness? Has HRT evened out your highs and lows any?
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on March 21, 2011, 07:03:31 PM
Post by: ativan on March 21, 2011, 07:03:31 PM
I remember that this is what being happy used to feel like. I don't feel like that all the time, of course. But there is a level of good moods that seem to have gone up. The constant of having to push rage and other feelings of anger down have subsided to a large degree.
A friend once said to me,"I feel more like myself now than I did a little while ago.". Well, who did he feel like before? Someone else? That was back in those rather strange days of the late 60's. I always wondered about how a statement like that should be taken.
Well,...I feel more like myself than I did a while ago.... I live with someone who is paid to make sure I don't have any sudden onset of several disorders I have. She says there is a noticeable change. My general therapist, who knows everything I'm doing, laughingly teasing me that I'm cured! I laughed along with her. It was something that felt like it came out of deep inside me. Like it was hiding there.
It's so many little things that used to feel a little hopeless and sad have turned into little glimmers of hope and happiness for me. My face feels a little tight at times, but I'm sure it's just from the little smile I seem to have most of the time.
A friend once said to me,"I feel more like myself now than I did a little while ago.". Well, who did he feel like before? Someone else? That was back in those rather strange days of the late 60's. I always wondered about how a statement like that should be taken.
Well,...I feel more like myself than I did a while ago.... I live with someone who is paid to make sure I don't have any sudden onset of several disorders I have. She says there is a noticeable change. My general therapist, who knows everything I'm doing, laughingly teasing me that I'm cured! I laughed along with her. It was something that felt like it came out of deep inside me. Like it was hiding there.
It's so many little things that used to feel a little hopeless and sad have turned into little glimmers of hope and happiness for me. My face feels a little tight at times, but I'm sure it's just from the little smile I seem to have most of the time.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: MarinaM on March 21, 2011, 08:31:12 PM
Post by: MarinaM on March 21, 2011, 08:31:12 PM
ativan, what you're experiencing is a beautiful thing- I'm so happy that we're beginning to totally embrace the spectrum. In fact, I think now that I've had a little time for the pills to work their magic, I've noticed that I identify well with androgynes (and even very early stage FTM's). It really is too bad that I stress androgynously, and I mean hard! Else I would have less work to do ;D
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on March 21, 2011, 08:57:05 PM
Post by: ativan on March 21, 2011, 08:57:05 PM
It's not the pills that are magic. They just allow you to use the magic that's always been in you.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Eva Marie on March 22, 2011, 01:48:57 AM
Post by: Eva Marie on March 22, 2011, 01:48:57 AM
Ativan-
What you have described is similar to what others have described that are on a low dose HRT regimen. I am curious about this because i suspect that i may also be in line for this in the future. Thanks :)
What you have described is similar to what others have described that are on a low dose HRT regimen. I am curious about this because i suspect that i may also be in line for this in the future. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on April 12, 2011, 10:18:17 PM
Post by: ativan on April 12, 2011, 10:18:17 PM
I'm closing in on the 8 wks since I started on spiro. I get comments about how much happier I seem, about handling stressful situations in a calm way, and laughing more. I think I have gotten a lot closer to what it is I wanted to achieve. I have all but gotten totally rid of the underlying layer of rage and anger. And, a big and, I have found my feminine and male selves (so to speak), blending rather nicely. I only notice it in small ways, that sneak up on me, but they are genuine.
I had said somewhere else here at Susans about untangling my brain and blending it back together, and that it sounded like doing some hair thing. Well, it is like that. It's like a nice conditioner that leaves you with body and shine, and a brush just falls through it. (OK maybe that's a little to much). But it's nice, at the very least. I am still 100% me, just a little calmer and happier.
I think this is going to be easier and easier for Androgynes and all who fall under the non-binary spectrum to be able to do through more and more professionals. If it's something you have thought about, talk to someone, the dosages are there. I could be taking 1/4 what I'm taking now. I think I may want to try a little stronger dose for a while after I let this one run a couple more months. In short, I'm very pleased and have had nothing negative happen, far from it.
Ativan
I had said somewhere else here at Susans about untangling my brain and blending it back together, and that it sounded like doing some hair thing. Well, it is like that. It's like a nice conditioner that leaves you with body and shine, and a brush just falls through it. (OK maybe that's a little to much). But it's nice, at the very least. I am still 100% me, just a little calmer and happier.
I think this is going to be easier and easier for Androgynes and all who fall under the non-binary spectrum to be able to do through more and more professionals. If it's something you have thought about, talk to someone, the dosages are there. I could be taking 1/4 what I'm taking now. I think I may want to try a little stronger dose for a while after I let this one run a couple more months. In short, I'm very pleased and have had nothing negative happen, far from it.
Ativan
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on May 11, 2011, 10:05:37 AM
Post by: ativan on May 11, 2011, 10:05:37 AM
:icon_yikes: 12 wks of Spiro! I haven't turned into a monster! (although I'm sure one person thinks so) No boobs. A few erections, nothing significant. Life is good, I finally have a decent computer (i7 quad), 24" wide printer, and I bought a Nikon D7000 to knock around with. I feel like some good things are going to come from it.
Although it may not seem to be, I feel more like a decent person now than I have in soooo long. I'm working out a plan with my therapist to maybe back off on some of the psyco meds I take, and see if I can get rid of those nasty side effects. Some are compounded by current combinations. It sucks big time. What a blessing some are for one thing, they are hell at times for other things. But, we are moving forward and that is all I ask of anybody or anything.
3 months ago to today? Life is good!
Although it may not seem to be, I feel more like a decent person now than I have in soooo long. I'm working out a plan with my therapist to maybe back off on some of the psyco meds I take, and see if I can get rid of those nasty side effects. Some are compounded by current combinations. It sucks big time. What a blessing some are for one thing, they are hell at times for other things. But, we are moving forward and that is all I ask of anybody or anything.
3 months ago to today? Life is good!
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: espo on May 11, 2011, 10:14:41 AM
Post by: espo on May 11, 2011, 10:14:41 AM
I'm happy for you. The little I know you, I think you're a wonderful human being.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on May 11, 2011, 10:29:44 AM
Post by: ativan on May 11, 2011, 10:29:44 AM
Quote from: espo on May 11, 2011, 10:14:41 AMThis. This is what makes the Forest what it is. One of the underlying things we tend to forget every so often, yet jumps out at us all the time. Espo, you so belong here, as all who live here do.
I'm happy for you. The little I know you, I think you're a wonderful human being.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: espo on May 11, 2011, 04:40:38 PM
Post by: espo on May 11, 2011, 04:40:38 PM
Awwwwe thats so nice. I don't know what to say other then its Laurry's fault hahaha. I would have blamed Juliet but she's still sleeping ( rolling eyes) Seriously, you just turned my crappy day into one I'm glad I woke up to see and believe me, that doesn't happen often. So thank you!!
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: soulfairer on May 31, 2011, 11:19:38 PM
Post by: soulfairer on May 31, 2011, 11:19:38 PM
I'm also on low-dose HRT. After beginning HRT, life has changed a bit. My mood swung a little, that's just what I wanted. Why? I before never imagined life could be a roller coaster ride. Today I can imagine having one, for I was SO controlled... Never experienced a true mood swing, but life's changing a bit.
And I feel something more human. And, also, my hands are getting prettier.
:)
I've seen many testimonies about people who had those mood swings and then HRT made them disappear. But I never saw anyone saying otherwise. Is there anybody like me, who 'needs' some more emotion? Sometimes it's boring to be just "perfect", being the reference for "equilibrium"...
And I feel something more human. And, also, my hands are getting prettier.
:)
I've seen many testimonies about people who had those mood swings and then HRT made them disappear. But I never saw anyone saying otherwise. Is there anybody like me, who 'needs' some more emotion? Sometimes it's boring to be just "perfect", being the reference for "equilibrium"...
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Pica Pica on June 01, 2011, 03:51:00 AM
Post by: Pica Pica on June 01, 2011, 03:51:00 AM
I'm not sure I could handle more emotion (but then I get quite excitable anyway).
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: ativan on June 01, 2011, 10:19:12 AM
Post by: ativan on June 01, 2011, 10:19:12 AM
The emotional rollercoaster that brought on fits of rage filled anger have turned into a nice slow ride through the park.
But, I have noticed that emotions that I or were suppressed are making themselves known. In a very pleasant way.
A nice surprise I didn't know would also happen. It's also strange that my hands are twenty years younger! I wish I could say the same for the rest of me. I am getting a few comments about I seem to 'look a little different, but don't know what it is' kind of stuff.
Maybe it's just because I smile more often.
But, I have noticed that emotions that I or were suppressed are making themselves known. In a very pleasant way.
A nice surprise I didn't know would also happen. It's also strange that my hands are twenty years younger! I wish I could say the same for the rest of me. I am getting a few comments about I seem to 'look a little different, but don't know what it is' kind of stuff.
Maybe it's just because I smile more often.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: Sevan on June 01, 2011, 07:55:53 PM
Post by: Sevan on June 01, 2011, 07:55:53 PM
I used to have SERIOUS anger issues that would surface every now and again. Thankfully not often but still...scary when it would blow up.
Now that I"m on T I don't have that problem. Smaller bursts, still get angry (as it's a perfectly natural emotion) but never as bad as before.
Now that I"m on T I don't have that problem. Smaller bursts, still get angry (as it's a perfectly natural emotion) but never as bad as before.
Title: Re: Low Dose HRT
Post by: soulfairer on June 04, 2011, 03:28:00 AM
Post by: soulfairer on June 04, 2011, 03:28:00 AM
Quote from: ativan on June 01, 2011, 10:19:12 AM
The emotional rollercoaster that brought on fits of rage filled anger have turned into a nice slow ride through the park.
But, I have noticed that emotions that I or were suppressed are making themselves known. In a very pleasant way.
A nice surprise I didn't know would also happen. It's also strange that my hands are twenty years younger! I wish I could say the same for the rest of me. I am getting a few comments about I seem to 'look a little different, but don't know what it is' kind of stuff.
Maybe it's just because I smile more often.
Hands! Yes, mine became younger too! :))