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Yesterday I watched the Saints battle it out on TV. (Local team here)

Today I watched Seattle (my home town) almost pull off an upset victory over Chicago Bears.

I normally dont watch football. When I do, I do get much more agressive. It gets fun in the playoffs, though I cant stand watching the regular season. I can also watch the finals in baseball or basketball. It gets me up, standing and shouting at the TV.

Ken/Kendra If you think it brings out the male in you, you should have been here watching the Bears game with my Wife and I. My wife is a huge football fan (bears) and it really brought out the male in her ! she not only was shouting at the TV but use more curse words then a Sailor !

Jamie L.

I sat here the whole day with my hubby while he watched the playoffs.  I have my laptop and I busy myself doing all of the things that I do.  When the games were over, not only did I have to ask him who won... but I also didn't even know who played.  That's how interested in football I am.

And I learned that "my team" lost.  They are Seattle.  The reason I call them "my team" is that I like the emblems on their helmuts more than any other team.  But I don't follow them at all. Shoot... I sat here through their whole game and didn't even notice that they were playing.

Oh yea.  I'm a football fan... NOT  ;)

Cindi

Hi Ken / Kendra,

I don't often post in the Androgyne section, but feel I know have to.

There are some things in life that are not fundementally Gender related.

Being a Patriot is one, wether to your Country, home city or Sports team. Weall love to see our home team (in any sport) doing well, it creates a "Buzz" around the City. It is also that play offs are sudden death and it is kind of exciting that the winners claim everything, the losers will for ever be consigned to the history books .. as failures.

The second thing is that Sport and getting excited about sport is not a predominatly male preserve. In the UK the two biggest growing sports are womans football (soccer to you guys) and womens Cricket (A funny little game Americans will never understand).

On any given weekend the majority of people who watch sport will be male, perhaps only 10-15% will be female, but they will still be enjoying there time.

When I first came out to my Father he asked the most stupid question I have ever heard during my transition...

Father... If you become a girl, will we still go to watch Chelsea (our soccer team)?
Me......... Yes, Why?
Father.....Well I was not sure if you would under stand the rules
Me..........Well I played the game for 20 years Dad and besides I can do some knitting If I get bored!

Buffy

Thank God I'm not becoming a woman...I might not remember how to hook up the TV/Stereo

OMG! I just forgot how to put a drill in the drill motor thingy...I think I'm supposed to tape it to the cord or something...wonder if I can use hot glue???

LOL  Buffy...that was so funny I almost wet my pants!


Oh, me?  I watched a little, then went shopping...I mean, its not like it was Hockey or something important.

.......Laurie

Quote from: Cindi Jones on January 15, 2007, 12:50:56 AM
I sat here the whole day with my hubby while he watched the playoffs.  I have my laptop and I busy myself doing all of the things that I do.  When the games were over, not only did I have to ask him who won... but I also didn't even know who played.  That's how interested in football I am.

And I learned that "my team" lost.  They are Seattle.  The reason I call them "my team" is that I like the emblems on their helmuts more than any other team.  But I don't follow them at all. Shoot... I sat here through their whole game and didn't even notice that they were playing.

Oh yea.  I'm a football fan... NOT  ;)

Cindi

Huh?  There a playoff or something? ???
I'm with you Cindi.  My interest has always been zero.  I guess I could call Seattle "my team" too only because I live in Washington.  I'm not even sure who the teams were.  Boy am I out of the loop.

Melissa

Quotewomens Cricket (A funny little game Americans will never understand).

I will have to agree with you there. Cricket is a mystery....

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I wouldn't fret hon, one of the girls (a GG) I work with is a huge, huge football fan, and watches Monday night football religiously.  Let me tell you there is no doubt that she is a woman, just try and interrupt her during a game, the "Wrath of Khan" has nothing on her :)

Steph

Yea, my Eagles lost (home team), but what a game!!! But PUNT on 4th at the end of the game when you KNOW your defense cannot stop a fly anymore for some reason? What was that??? Grrr.

I love watching football. I like the strategy, and *especially* getting caught up in the drama of a truly great game. It's like watching a great movie... you just get lost believing in it for a few hours. I don't shout or throw things or know a darn thing about the players, but I love to get caught up in a huge drama... lol... oh that's funny actually, lol...

Now my WIFE, on the other hand, is a football fanatic. The girl knows the numbers and stats and history of every darn player, team records, who's injured, who's out... and ya gotta understand, she's about as girly and cute as they come.

In fact, she joined a yahoo football pool with 9 men this season. Nine super-macho manly men... and this little girly-girl.

And she came in SECOND for the season, lol... gotta love her ;)

Kate

Quote from: RebeccaCricket (A funny little game Americans will never understand).

I beg to differ.  It's completely understandable

Quote from: Rules of Cricket    You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

    When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game.

Besides, what other game defines several fielding positions as "silly"? ;D

When I was in denial, I pretended (even to myself,) that I liked  (American) football.  I understood the basic gist of the game, but never picked up on the subtleties -- such as "it's only a foul if the referees catch you at it", which means that cheating and evading the rules while trying to make sure the other side is 'caught' and 'punished' for violating the rules is very much a part of the game, and part of that 'sportsmanship' I was always taught... 

If I watch a football game, I'm more interested in how the TV show is produced.

I find sports with more-or-less continuous action more entertaining.  Basketball, Ice Hockey and rest-of-the-world football are like that.  I also become more interested when players show passion for the game-in-progress, not just smugness at technical proficiency against a lesser opponent.

Anyway, my 2¢, YMMV, and all that...

Ja, ne;

Karen

That clears it up entirely Karen. I always wondered how cricket worked.

My cousin is married to a former player for the England team. I asked him once to explain cricket. It was only slightly more comprehensible than your explanation.

I understand American football about as well as I understand cricket. And I'm just about as motivated to learn.

Dennis

Oh, was there a football game yesterday? LOL.

Neither of my genders have ever been interested in sports. That's OK, I'm obsessed about other things, like music  :)

zythyra

See the thing is I never even pretended to like football.  I would tell people I'm just not interested in sports which is true.  What I chalk not liking football to is that I didn't know the rules well, didn't know much terminology and was never able to really pick a side.  The thing is, when they show football within a movie and choose a side for you, I actually do enjoy it.  With basketball, I can watch it live when I'm there and enjoy it, but turn it on the TV and I get bored and do something else.  Maybe it's the announcers in their monotone voices that bore me to death.

Melissa

Quote from: Melissa on January 15, 2007, 10:33:38 AM
See the thing is I never even pretended to like football.  I would tell people I'm just not interested in sports which is true.  What I chalk not liking football to is that I didn't know the rules well, didn't know much terminology and was never able to really pick a side.

See, I enjoy learning the details of of some sports, especially if it adds to the drama. I used to ADORE Formula One racing, back in the days when it really WAS racing... when Ayrton Senna was at his peak. I've never been into hero worship, but he was the first guy I ever fell in love with. The passion with which he pursued his dream is something I'll never forget. The day he died - crashing while leading a race in Imola - I was crushed, utterly heartbroken (I wasn't the only one - Brazil gave him a state funeral and basically shut down the country for days). And yet, there was a tragic beauty to it, dying while living his dream, embracing his destiny. That as long as you're on Your Path, following your heart, then somehow even death isn't a "failure."

It's a lesson that I've apparently never forgetten ;)

Kate

I think sports help enfoster jingoistic attitudes, and encourage militarim and an "us vs. them" mentality. I think they indoctorinate children into the death culture of the military industrial complex - especially here in America.

I think they also are part of the distraction that is "The Big American Lie."

Bri

QuoteI think sports help enfoster jingoistic attitudes, and encourage militarim and an "us vs. them" mentality. I think they indoctorinate children into the death culture of the military industrial complex - especially here in America.

I think they also are part of the distraction that is "The Big American Lie."

What... Did your team lose Bri?

Because thats probably how Tony Romo (I think I saw him say those words on an after game interview) felt when he dropped the extra point field goal ball after the snap that was almost a for sure goal for a Cowboy win.

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Your sentences would make  a nice buble over his head as he sits there in agony of dropping a ball he gets paid millions to hold.

Quote from: Brianna on January 15, 2007, 03:46:15 PM
I think sports help enfoster jingoistic attitudes, and encourage militarim and an "us vs. them" mentality. I think they indoctorinate children into the death culture of the military industrial complex - especially here in America.

I think sports fosters a sense of teamwork and comraderie, and encourages kids to strive for excellence in whatever they choose to do. I think it teaches them to value their competition not as an enemy to be destroyed, but rather as a noble test of their character to be appreciated and valued.

Kate

A few years ago, while I was working, the fellows set up a scoreboard to track the world cup playoffs.  They had lines and names and everyone had their little stickers up... badges of manhood declaring their guess as to who would win.  Being engineers, they did not have money on the game, just a great deal of pride.

I passed by and saw that there was much activity in the cube as these fellows from around the world were pinning their guesses on the the board.  I said "give some badges."  I selected the teams as I always do.  This country is in South America and they know their football, so they'll obviously beat this team from Europe.  This team has red uniforms which are much cooler than green. This player is cute, so his team will win. ... stuff like that.

You know, it really is too bad that there was no money on the pool.  I picked every match! They thought I was amazing but it was totally blind luck.

Cindi

Quote from: Brianna on January 15, 2007, 03:46:15 PM
I think sports help enfoster jingoistic attitudes, and encourage militarim and an "us vs. them" mentality. I think they indoctorinate children into the death culture of the military industrial complex - especially here in America.

I think they also are part of the distraction that is "The Big American Lie."

Bri

Hear! Hear!  Harrumph! Harrumph! 
Except I would probably have summed it up by simply saying "they suck".

That's what I say everytime I play a sport.  "This game sucks and I'm never gonna do it again!"  And then I hit the perfect shot, make the perfect throw, or do something that I strive for and rarely achieve, and I am hooked again like a bass on a june bug.  The time and effort that goes into becoming proficient at something enfosters (to use your words) a great passion for the game or activity.  The honest self-examination required to improve in a sport often spills over, thus improving one's overall life.

And then your shot hits a tree 20 feet off the tee and all of the sudden..."This game sucks!"

....yeah...they suck.

......Laurie   

Next Weeks Saints Vs Bears is going to be a big one around here. Double big since the local team is playing the team that beat my home town team. Gonna have to get the chips, dip, bear beer, and surround sound ready for that one. Maybe go out and buy a saints jersey.

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on January 15, 2007, 07:38:24 PM
Next Weeks Saints Vs Bears is going to be a big one around here. Double big since the local team is playing the team that beat my home town team. Gonna have to get the chips, dip, bear, and surround sound ready for that one. Maybe go out and buy a saints jersey.

You could probably just sell the bear and buy a jersey and some beer for the game.   ;D

Gotcha!  Your turn.  With my luck, it will probably be something from this very post...hmmmmpft

Personally, I had mixed emotions about Romo and the Cowboys.  I feel really bad for Romo (maybe not a lot as I'm sure his millions are giving him SOME comfort), but I am glad the Cowboys are out of the playoffs.  It's all you heard about around here.  Will they make it to the Superbowl?  Will T.O. explode with insanity?  Are you having the same breakfast as Roy Williams?  On and on...over and over...endless chatter about stuff even the most rabid fan couldn't care less about.  Still, it really sucks to lose the way they did.

Go Saints!  I always did love a Cinderella story.

....Laurie

Yes it would be a great story considering the record of losing 13 games last year, plus the rebuilding of the city.

It would be good for the NFL if they win.

Of course I am sure there are Bears, Colts, Patriot fans that would wish otherwise. After all, the NFL isnt supposed to be a charity that gives wins and championships. It'll come down to skill, luck, and smart playing.

Had a wonderful thought.  Would it be typical of an androgyne to be watching the game, get mad and throw the bowl of Cheetos (OK, SACK of Cheetos) at the TV, scream and curse at the Referees, then get up, put on their apron and sweep up the floor, bring more beer and Cheetos to the gang watching the game, make a nice little sandwich tray with the bread placed JUST RIGHT and don't forget the pickles, then sit back after the game and hand out cigars because their team won?

When you're androgyne, there is none of this "[Wo]men, can't live with them, can't live without them" crap, because YOU ARE THEM and you ain't got any other choice.

You know the old saying, don't ya?  Boys will be boys and girls will be girls, and androgynes with be both (or neither).

The hardest part about being androgyne?  Explaining it to someone.  Cross-dresser?  Easy, I'm a guy who likes to wear women's clothes.  Transsexual?  Easy, I'm a girl who was born in a guy's body.  Androgyne?  I'm part guy and part girl and though I have a male body I have a (mostly) feminine mind but not all feminine...I also have a male mind and enjoy the pleasures that both male and female activies bring...and that's just the start.  (I'm not saying explaining who you are to anyone is easy, nor should my stereotypical explanations of Cross-dressers and Transsexuals be taken as anything more than a vehicle used in the telling of this, by now, not-so-funny, but true, joke.)

You know you shouldn't have said it when the disclaimer is longer (and funnier) than the joke...what was I thinking?

......Laurie

sheesh...almost signed my male name....oy vey...dang Ken and his male bonding thing...next time, let's bake cookies and a pie or two for the big game and when the quarterback throws an interception with 3 minutes left in the game, we'll all throw our Cheetos at the TV!  Danged old Romo and his fumble-fingered place kick holding (or "not holding" as the case may be)...AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!

Actually It would be great if the cheerleaders had a better role in the game. Dallas does have the most famous cheerleaders. Thats what I like about the entertainment of wrestling (ducks prepared to be bashed about wrestling not being a sport and such). But in that entertainment (notice I didnt say sport) the females wrestle (put on a show) and play more major roles in interviews and the stories. In football, the cheerleaders just cheer for the spectators in the stadium. And do little role for the home audience. Wish the other male sports had more female influence.

Or they can throw in a recipe or two between quarters. Or something about home improvements, car repair, or fashion tip.

I dont think watch football is bad. The male in me, I embrace, accept, and feel is good now that I have worked through much of what I like of both genders. So I understand many feel threatened by sports, but as stated before, women watch football also. Having said that also I am only part female. I know that being a male for males, androgynes that have a male part to them, and female to males can be a wonderful experience. I embrace it and am finding it equally important as anything I learn about the female or neutral parts in me.

BTW I was eating cheetos during the game. No cheetos were hurt in the watching of that game. I take that back, I ate quite a few of them, so those are gone. But none were abused.

Ken (dra) (ny) or whichever I feel more at the moment.