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The phrase.

It's hard to tell whether its ignorance or joking, most of the time. 

For those uncertain with the slang phrase, a "trap" is a biologically male character who passes as a girl or who can be mistaken for one. The opposite of that would be a "reverse trap". Basically it references to being mislead about a persons gender.

I believe it came from Star Wars, Admiral Ackbar saying it in Return of the Jedi, and 4chan came up with the connection a few years back; /b/ maybe?

I remember back when Hourou Musuko first aired. People had a vague interest in it, and a lot of the comments were of the "Lolololo, boring shota trap anime!" kind, and ignored basically everything the series was about.

I don't have much of a thought on the word, but I'm only fine with it if its referring to crossdressing. Using it to refer to a, say, transperson means you don't think of them as their gender. It's rude and ignorant. But a lot of people have this sort of viewpoint..

   

I look at it sort'a like when they call an under age girl "jailbait".Alot of people would call marriage a 'trap".I think it is a benign word

Quote from: Barbara on April 17, 2011, 09:58:10 PM
I look at it sort'a like when they call an under age girl "jailbait".Alot of people would call marriage a 'trap".I think it is a benign word

It's definitely not benign. "Trap" means "LOL that's a man!" It's the equivalent of being pointed and laughed at in the street - "Look! That ain't a woman - it's a ->-bleeped-<-! HAHAAAH! Hey, ->-bleeped-<- - can I suck your dick?"

...to which the only appropriate response is "Go learn some yoga and suck your own, you inflexible prick."

(sorry)

Quote from: yoxi on April 18, 2011, 05:07:11 AM
...to which the only appropriate response is "Go learn some yoga and suck your own, you inflexible prick."

(sorry)

...that reply is hilarious on so many levels ;D !

Yes, that's pretty much what should be said. Followed by a good knee-to-the-crotch.

A trap is essentially a woman with a (hidden) penis who's very attractive and sexy. When you get aroused by looking at her, you've been "trapped" into being aroused by someone with a penis. A reverse trap is essentially someone who looks like a guy, gets you aroused, and then you've been "trapped" into being aroused by someone without a penis. It's not a benign word, as it reinforces all that jazz about trans people "tricking" cis people into believing they're women/men.

...and of course, it assumes that no-one in their right mind could be attracted to anyone who isn't either a transparent cismale or cisfemale.

I should have said ,i really don't care about the names or labels, i just did not write it like that.But thank's anyway for blasting me over it

Quote from: Barbara on April 19, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
I should have said ,i really don't care about the names or labels, i just did not write it like that.But thank's anyway for blasting me over it

You're most welcome. And, hey, next time you make a stupid post, I'll be more than happy to blast you over it again ;) !

Woah there, you two :) - I don't think Barbara's post was "stupid", she just expressed a different opinion from yours, E - and I don't think you "blasted" back, just came back a bit strong with a different opinion.

It's important that we can disagree respectfully here (I say this as someone who has not always managed that - and it always makes things worse rather than better).

What Padma said, but with more officialdom

Quote from: Helena on April 24, 2011, 09:14:44 AM
What Padma said, but with more officialdom

Yeah, mine was the bootleg version :).

Quote from: Helena on April 24, 2011, 09:14:44 AM
What Padma said, but with more officialdom

You're quite right. Sorry. I should avoid posting when I'm at my most dysphoric :/ .

Quote from: E on April 24, 2011, 09:28:02 AM
You're quite right. Sorry. I should avoid posting when I'm at my most dysphoric :/ .

...and sorry if I came on a bit schoolmarmish - that's a hat I don't own :).

(PS: I've decided it's time I changed my screen name, it's a bit too weird having two different weird names!)

Quote from: Padma on April 24, 2011, 09:31:20 AM
...and sorry if I came on a bit schoolmarmish - that's a hat I don't own :).

(PS: I've decided it's time I changed my screen name, it's a bit too weird having two different weird names!)

When someone behaves like a child, admonishing them like one is only appropriate. I took no offense.

(PS: Weird question, but your old screenname - "yoxi" - would that be pronounced like in English or in Chinese? I assume the former, but... and since you've changed it, this'll be my last excuse to ask.)

Quote from: E on April 24, 2011, 09:35:04 AM
When someone behaves like a child, admonishing them like one is only appropriate. I took no offense.

Thankee. As the Romans used to say, ira furor brevis est (anger is a brief madness ;) - I learned most of my classics from Asterix books...)

Quote(PS: Weird question, but your old screenname - "yoxi" - would that be pronounced like in English or in Chinese? I assume the former, but... and since you've changed it, this'll be my last excuse to ask.)

The name came to me out of nowhere while I was writing poetry on Dartmoor (how affected is that!), and it's not in any actual language - but it's the name of the laughing coyote (from an Ursula Le Guin book) that I'd just got tattooed on my arm the day before. It's pronounced yō-ksee to rhyme with yoke-sea, but the K is the start of the 2nd syllable. Good grief, what a long explanation. Anyway, here she is:

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yoxi.net%2Fanitya%2Fyoxi.jpg&hash=636a466e09b58d97266bfbc20948a10097d7f03c)

Quote from: Padma on April 18, 2011, 05:07:11 AM
...to which the only appropriate response is "Go learn some yoga and suck your own, you inflexible prick."

A better response is to carry on as if they must have been talking to somebody else and I didn't even hear it.

Quote from: GinaDouglas on April 24, 2011, 12:42:48 PM
A better response is to carry on as if they must have been talking to somebody else and I didn't even hear it.

Oh yeah, I wouldn't actually say that, I'm too scared of getting killed. It's just what I'd like to say.

Thanks E

Quote from: E on April 24, 2011, 09:28:02 AM
You're quite right. Sorry. I should avoid posting when I'm at my most dysphoric :/ .

Hey, don't worry hun, we all have days where we snap at the world a bit.

Thanks Helena..

                     (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOqcQd.jpg&hash=01dc4a2e173ec06968616beb88340e8aa28a6a58)

I know a lot of the self-proclaimed traps I see on /b/ are strictly crossdressers.

Yeah, I've only heard of it as self-identifying guys who like to crossdress in a more "cutesy" style.

  Traps?  You mean those aircraft that sucessfully engage the arresting wire on an aircraft carrier?  The take-offs from a catapult is called "Cats".  That what those pilots do most of their flight-ops time, Cats and Traps.  I seen and photographed a lot of those.
  OHHH!  Traps!   You mean traaaps!   Don't be bothered by that, I'm so old, I would not qualify for being a cougar TRAMP!
  Joelene

Im a honey trap >:-) :laugh: :angel:

I'd never heard the word used in such a context prior to reading this thread. Seems rather odd though, considering the individual chooses who they find attractive and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as it were. I don't see how anyone is trapped into anything. The only trap I can see is that which everyone comes into contact with on a regular basis: that of assumption. And that trap is always laid by the individual, not the object of their libido.

I find it difficult to empathise with the need to blame someone else for one's own thoughts and actions, and I see the word used in this context as simply a way to avoid examining or taking responsibility for such thoughts and actions, stemming from an innately percieved question to one's own heterosexuality.

i look at trap pictures all the time on 4chan, 7chan, and omnichan and love them simply because i think they are beautiful. the phrase...well i think its sorta cute. it doesnt seem derogatory to me because the girls take the pics themselves and then post.they are proud of their appearance and that is cute too. so i guess it depends on who you are.*shrug*....i'm gonna go open a new tab now...

I personally don't find the term very offensive. It can be a broad term but I most often see it used to describe someone who is MtF who passes flawlessly or is very beautiful. I would be more worried about the person who is saying it's intentions, rather than the word itself.

As you can obviously tell by my username, I have no major aversions to the term and have embraced it.

Take everything with a grain of salt.

well said