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Title: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Shana A on May 06, 2011, 10:03:16 AM
Post by: Shana A on May 06, 2011, 10:03:16 AM
Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Fri, 6 May 2011
http://www.christian.org.uk/news/judge-allows-sex-change-for-10-year-old-boy/ (http://www.christian.org.uk/news/judge-allows-sex-change-for-10-year-old-boy/)
A ten-year-old boy has been given the go-ahead by an Australian court to have sex change treatment.
The boy, known only as Jamie, had been dressing as a girl for the past two years, and had been allowed to use the girl's toilets at school.
[...]
Many transsexuals regret their decision to live in the opposite sex. A Home Office report on transsexualism said: "Many people revert to their biological sex after living for some time in the opposite sex".
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from our "friends" at the Christian Institute, article quotes Dr. John Money, Charles Kane... ::)
Fri, 6 May 2011
http://www.christian.org.uk/news/judge-allows-sex-change-for-10-year-old-boy/ (http://www.christian.org.uk/news/judge-allows-sex-change-for-10-year-old-boy/)
A ten-year-old boy has been given the go-ahead by an Australian court to have sex change treatment.
The boy, known only as Jamie, had been dressing as a girl for the past two years, and had been allowed to use the girl's toilets at school.
[...]
Many transsexuals regret their decision to live in the opposite sex. A Home Office report on transsexualism said: "Many people revert to their biological sex after living for some time in the opposite sex".
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from our "friends" at the Christian Institute, article quotes Dr. John Money, Charles Kane... ::)
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: cynthialee on May 06, 2011, 10:10:37 AM
Post by: cynthialee on May 06, 2011, 10:10:37 AM
Kinda funny how the site does not have comments on its stories...
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Izumi on May 06, 2011, 10:54:21 AM
Post by: Izumi on May 06, 2011, 10:54:21 AM
Quote from: Sarah7 on May 06, 2011, 10:41:44 AM
They use the Dr John Money case and Charles Kane to argue against sex change procedures. I think I dropped 10 IQ points for just reading that.
Yeah whenever i hear Charles Kane, i want to poke him with sharp pointed sticks. Just because a rich crazy person decides to do something stupid in his eccentricities doesn't invalidate it for people who have real issues, but by his logic i am must deluded since i actually enjoy living as a woman and more over, i would rather someone put a bullet in my head then go back to living as a man. If i could of done this at 10 and my doctor OK'd it ... omg... what a nice life i would have had...
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Nemo on May 06, 2011, 10:54:55 AM
Post by: Nemo on May 06, 2011, 10:54:55 AM
QuoteMany transsexuals regret their decision to live in the opposite sex. A Home Office report on transsexualism said: "Many people revert to their biological sex after living for some time in the opposite sex".
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Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Izumi on May 06, 2011, 11:50:44 AM
Post by: Izumi on May 06, 2011, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Nemo on May 06, 2011, 10:54:55 AM
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This is a serious thread no place for puns.
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Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Suzy on May 06, 2011, 01:04:11 PM
Post by: Suzy on May 06, 2011, 01:04:11 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on May 06, 2011, 10:03:16 AM
Many transsexuals regret their decision to live in the opposite sex. A Home Office report on transsexualism said: "Many people revert to their biological sex after living for some time in the opposite sex".
I looked and could find no statistics they use to back their claim. How many is many? I have only ever known one. And she was allowed to have surgery because she was quite wealthy. I just don't see many detransitioning. Good for this judge!
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: spacial on May 06, 2011, 01:39:37 PM
Post by: spacial on May 06, 2011, 01:39:37 PM
This is typical tabloid type journalism.
There are actually only two examples cited. Charles Kane, who is probably right that he needed counciling, not surgery and Bruce/Brenda, where the little boy was subjected to the procedure without any consultation at all.
If challanged, I have little doubt the wirtiers will claim their's is an interpertation.
In any case, the true story is a little different: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/judge-agrees-with-boy-who-identifies-as-a-girl/story-e6frg6nf-1226039973338 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/judge-agrees-with-boy-who-identifies-as-a-girl/story-e6frg6nf-1226039973338)
I've written to the Christian Institute with some querys. I'll post the replies if they materialise
There are actually only two examples cited. Charles Kane, who is probably right that he needed counciling, not surgery and Bruce/Brenda, where the little boy was subjected to the procedure without any consultation at all.
QuoteA Home Office report on transsexualism said: "Many people revert to their biological sex after living for some time in the opposite sex".
If challanged, I have little doubt the wirtiers will claim their's is an interpertation.
In any case, the true story is a little different: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/judge-agrees-with-boy-who-identifies-as-a-girl/story-e6frg6nf-1226039973338 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/judge-agrees-with-boy-who-identifies-as-a-girl/story-e6frg6nf-1226039973338)
I've written to the Christian Institute with some querys. I'll post the replies if they materialise
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: bojangles on May 06, 2011, 01:42:43 PM
Post by: bojangles on May 06, 2011, 01:42:43 PM
QuoteIf i could of done this at 10 and my doctor OK'd it ... omg... what a nice life i would have had...
Ditto that.
I don't trust those people.
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Julie Marie on May 06, 2011, 02:02:11 PM
Post by: Julie Marie on May 06, 2011, 02:02:11 PM
Well, let's see...
The article is skewed, no doubt. The story about Money failed to mention Money only suggested the boy be raised as a girl after a botched circumcision. The "botch" involved penile mutilation. But this article made it sound like Money was pro-gender change and as part of his experiment persuaded the parents to raise their boy as a girl.
The Charles Kane story is pretty unique but the article made it sound it was one of many similar stories.
And who is behind this? Hmmm.. Well, it was published in The Christian Institute newsletter. Their motto is "Christian Intelligence In A Secular World."
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The article is skewed, no doubt. The story about Money failed to mention Money only suggested the boy be raised as a girl after a botched circumcision. The "botch" involved penile mutilation. But this article made it sound like Money was pro-gender change and as part of his experiment persuaded the parents to raise their boy as a girl.
The Charles Kane story is pretty unique but the article made it sound it was one of many similar stories.
And who is behind this? Hmmm.. Well, it was published in The Christian Institute newsletter. Their motto is "Christian Intelligence In A Secular World."
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Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Ann Onymous on May 06, 2011, 02:33:24 PM
Post by: Ann Onymous on May 06, 2011, 02:33:24 PM
The most significant concern I can envision by permitting the surgery at such a young age is the future need for additional surgeries in order to create age-appropriate vaginal depth.
Other than that...if the parents are on board, early medical intervention should resolve MANY problems provided they can limit future media interference in their life.
Other than that...if the parents are on board, early medical intervention should resolve MANY problems provided they can limit future media interference in their life.
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Anaeta_Desiree on May 06, 2011, 04:43:31 PM
Post by: Anaeta_Desiree on May 06, 2011, 04:43:31 PM
it hurt to read that article..... I know had I been allowed to live as a female earlier in my life i would have been a much better person... but it does me no good to ruminate on the past... I just know now that i am living as a woman, i am a much happier person and able to handle situations more appropriately than i did before when i was a male...
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: niciwer on May 06, 2011, 08:46:47 PM
Post by: niciwer on May 06, 2011, 08:46:47 PM
It's pretty weird- I think it would have been great for me, but knowing how kids are, I'm not really sure that may be the best precedent to set. But doing it early will avoid quite a bit of trouble, though.
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Joelene9 on May 06, 2011, 11:49:54 PM
Post by: Joelene9 on May 06, 2011, 11:49:54 PM
Why in the HECK is the story of Dr. Money's foul-up had to do with this story! There are two mentally different boys involved here. Apples to oranges. Mr. Kane is just one individual that was put up just for this article.
My case, Mr. Kane is that of a 58 year old that payed his/her dues for that 58 years with my GID unchanged all of that time. Various other things were tried to quell my GID over the years. None worked. Why did everything start to work, both mentally and physically when I started HRT! This is not a delusion dagnabbit! This is for my health!
Joelene
My case, Mr. Kane is that of a 58 year old that payed his/her dues for that 58 years with my GID unchanged all of that time. Various other things were tried to quell my GID over the years. None worked. Why did everything start to work, both mentally and physically when I started HRT! This is not a delusion dagnabbit! This is for my health!
Joelene
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: MillieB on May 06, 2011, 11:57:50 PM
Post by: MillieB on May 06, 2011, 11:57:50 PM
Non normal people (you know, teh trans, gays, lezzers, non whites, women, you know, most of the world) make little baby Jesus CRY!!!! >:(
Shame on all of us with our evil 'trying to be ourselves and getting trough life in one piece' agenda!
For shame!! >:(
Shame on all of us with our evil 'trying to be ourselves and getting trough life in one piece' agenda!
For shame!! >:(
Title: Re: Judge allows sex change for 10-year-old boy
Post by: Kate Thomas on May 08, 2011, 11:34:29 PM
Post by: Kate Thomas on May 08, 2011, 11:34:29 PM
http://www.familycourt.gov.au/wps/wcm/resources/file/ebe534456722c3b/2011_FamCA_248.pdf (http://www.familycourt.gov.au/wps/wcm/resources/file/ebe534456722c3b/2011_FamCA_248.pdf)
at this time 10 year old Jamie is as developed as a 14 year-old
QuoteORDERS MADE 28 MARCH 2011
1. That Mr and Mrs S shall be authorised to consent to treatment on behalf of their
child Jamie under the guidance of Jamie's treating medical practitioners
including but not limited to his endocrinologist Dr G and his psychiatrist Dr C,
for the administration of -------- ------- in such dose, in such manner and with such frequency as determined in consultation with the treating medical practitioners to achieve suppression of
gonadotrophins and testosterone to pre-pubertal levels.
at this time 10 year old Jamie is as developed as a 14 year-old