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Kia Ora all,

::) A simple hypothetical question[wishful thinking perhaps for some], but it does require some serious food for thought!

Would you be both mentally and physically ready to have surgery if it was offered to you "tomorrow" for free? And it could "only' be performed "tomorrow" and not any other time for free...

Metta Zenda :)

Although this question is now only academic for me now.  I would answer with an emphatic YES and of course there is no hesitation on my part in answering this question.  As far as I can 'sense' within myself.  I still would have had the operation years before I finally realised I was female and I would not have thought twice about it even then.

Kind regards
Sarah B

If I lived on a desert island, yeah. But as I live in a social context and am not out to most people, it would be irresponsible of me. Murrh, I regret not hypothetically having my surgery paid for lol

YES! YES! YES! I'd at least have tonight to think about it. :D

My luck though, is those people got the day the world ends mixed up, and its tomorrow instead. :o

Shelly

Kia Ora Zenda, I just posted one of these poll thingys minutes ago, check it out!

Oh my, yes. 
I'm so ready.

In a heartbeat.

YES! Only thing I'd hesitate on is who is doing it, what their credentials are, I certainly wouldn't want somebody doing my surgery that would mutilate me. But if we're speaking legit, really good surgeon, but of coarse I would, I'm ready now! But I'd assume there would be a catch, most of the time there is when involving anything free, again, that'd be another thing to give me a moment's pause, find out what they want from me, see if I am up for whatever that may be (a documentary, or be someone's slave for live, what?) but its just out of someone's generosity, then sure, lets do it!

Let me think about it for a second.. YES YES YES !!!

I'd go for some free facial surgery.  Anything else, no.  I don't know how I feel about the risks/cost of GRS vs. the benefits.  Right now I don't think I'd ever have it done even if I transition.

YES without a doubt.  In a heartbeat.  In a New York Second. 

Do monkeys swing in trees? Hells yeah!!!

Without a second's hesitation!

Reluctantly I would say no. Purely because I believe nothing really comes for free, and I don't like feeling indebted to people, no matter how honorable their intentions are. When that time comes, it will be a culmination of my own efforts. Would I be mentally and physically ready for it, however... to that I say yes, and have been for years. It's the 'free' part that goes against my principles.

Yes. In a heartbeat.
I have dismissed any thought of getting SRS. It just seems so daunting to raise the capitol for a surgery when there are so many other things Sevan and I need our money for.

My best hope is they change things and allow for transition surgeries on my insurance. But with current attitudes out there I think there is a better chance of pigs flying.

Quote from: Just Shelly on May 21, 2011, 09:44:04 PM
YES! YES! YES! I'd at least have tonight to think about it. :D

My luck though, is those people got the day the world ends mixed up, and its tomorrow instead. :o

Shelly

Kia Ora Zenda, I just posted one of these poll thingys minutes ago, check it out!

Kia Ora Shelly,

::) I've been looking for it but can't seem to find it anywhere...Could you cut and paste a link?

Metta Zenda

first i want to say yes, but then i'd start worrying that this might not be the best surgeon, and i should research and why the heck is it even free and then i'd do some more procrastinating then think i do really want that and by then i would have lost the opportunity anyway

I "could" have had a free (covered by insurance) meta this summer.
I turned it down, and so I say No to this quiz.

I'm not ready.
There's little they can do for me and after looking at the "step by step" meta method I'm not ready to have that done because I'm not comfortable with a couple of the steps there of.
Maybe later, depending on something changing.

Yes, because it would probably be my only chance to have the surgery.

I would be packing my bags in a heart beat and calling my family to tell them I would be back in 7-8 days and I need someone to watch the cat.  My heart would be beating so hard the whole plane trip, its already going a little faster just thinking about the impossible of this.  lol.

It may at first seem irresponsible of me but think "how does anyone get experience if no one is willing to use an unexperienced surgeon?"













Was that enough time to think?
Well, my answer is a resounding "HECK YES, GIVE IT TO ME NOW!" with the only hesistation being that I may opt out if the selected surgeon has repeatedly messed up his past surgeries.
However, I would have no hesitation at all with being a 'test subject' for a brand new surgeon so he can get his feet wet. :-)

Top surgery? YES, get the damn things off!!

Bottom surgery? Ask me again when I've grown as much as I'm gonna, too early for meta right now :P If I was already big enough? I'd tell Mum not to bother waiting for me to come back from theatre, I'd be in there a very long time while it's all done ;)

Yes, but I would want to know alot more before having the surgery.  Lower surgery for ftm's varies so much depending on the surgeon.

Absolutely.

A resounding yes.  I would.  There would be a lot of things that would need done after still, but...  Given an ideal situation, the rest would be basic cosmetic catch up. 

This is a definite yes.

It almost seemed bizarre to me to see the third option, "No- I would need to get other important things sorted first". I guess this is for people who are still unsure who they need to be. I've just known for so long, but there are so many hurdles.

Are you kidding? I wouldn't even take the time to pack my bags. I'd be up all night with anticipation!

No. There are many things that have to be in place before SRS, and they would take time to set them in place.

Kate D

Zenda,

Would you go to heaven if G-d offered you that chance, but only now?

Shalom,

Kate D

Quote from: kate durcal on July 02, 2011, 06:52:41 PM
No. There are many things that have to be in place before SRS, and they would take time to set them in place.

Kate D

Zenda,

Would you go to heaven if G-d offered you that chance, but only now?

Shalom,

Kate D

uhhh...yeah
Like in a second.

Quote from: kate durcal on July 02, 2011, 06:52:41 PM

Zenda,

Would you go to heaven if G-d offered you that chance, but only now?

Shalom,

Kate D

Kia Ora Kate,

::) I'm already there  ;) ;D :D ...Heaven of my own making!


Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Zenda on July 02, 2011, 07:51:04 PM
Kia Ora Kate,

::) I'm already there  ;) ;D :D ...Heaven of my own making!


Metta Zenda :)

You question to the forum kind of probes the urgency on the members. So, I posited the same kind of question to you, but you evaded the answer. Would be like my saying "I already give myself a mental surgical SRS of my own"


Let me ask you a question: Let's assume that you are in a canoe with your mom, daughter, and spouse (or SO) none of which know how to swim, the boats flip, and you could only save one, which one?

Kate D

The canoe?  :laugh:

*Sorry, couldn't resist that one*

Quote from: V M on July 02, 2011, 08:37:26 PM
The canoe?  :laugh:

*Sorry, couldn't resist that one*

You now the story behind?

Quote from: kate durcal on July 02, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
You question to the forum kind of probes the urgency on the members. So, I posited the same kind of question to you, but you evaded the answer. Would be like my saying "I already give myself a mental surgical SRS of my own"


Let me ask you a question: Let's assume that you are in a canoe with your mom, daughter, and spouse (or SO) none of which know how to swim, the boats flip, and you could only save one, which one?

Kate D

Kia Ora Kate,

You pose a question to an agnostic atheist who doesn't believe in a god or for that matter an Abrahamic  heaven[re: your first question] so how am I suppose to answer ?

In regards to your last question Kate, you are "assuming" I can swim...

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Zenda on July 02, 2011, 09:01:48 PM
Kia Ora Kate,

You pose a question to an agnostic atheist who doesn't believe in a god or for that matter an Abrahamic  heaven[re: your first question] so how am I suppose to answer ?

In regards to your last question Kate, you are "assuming" I can swim...

Metta Zenda :)

It does not matter what I assume. let me rephrase. The same people are in a room, there is a fire, you can only save only one assuming you can walk or darg soemboy while operating your wheel chair) which one?

Quote from: kate durcal on July 02, 2011, 09:18:32 PM
It does not matter what I assume. let me rephrase. The same people are in a room, there is a fire, you can only save only one assuming you can walk or darg soemboy while operating your wheel chair) which one?

Kia Ora Kate,

::) Which one would "you" save Kate?

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Zenda on July 02, 2011, 09:25:06 PM
Kia Ora Kate,

::) Which one would "you" save Kate?

Metta Zenda :)

My Mother! You?

she evades every time

Kia Ora,

::) What I might say now may not be what I would do in a given situation...

For example I would now say I would save the youngest person which would be the daughter...Because my ex and my mother would do the same in an "hypothetical" situation....

But in the long run, it all depend on "karma" kate, as to what I would actually do in any given situation...

Why do you value your mum's life over your daughter or spouses ?

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Zenda on July 02, 2011, 10:16:50 PM
Kia Ora,

::) What I might say now may not be what I would do in a given situation...

For example I would now say I would save the youngest person which would be the daughter...Because my ex and my mother would do the same in an "hypothetical" situation....

But in the long run, it all depend on "karma" kate, as to what I would actually do in any given situation...

Why do you value your mum's life over your daughter or spouses ?

Metta Zenda :)

Still evading a straight answer!


Why I choose my Mom?  "Back during the "The cultural revolution in China" I witness Daughter betraying their fathers, and spouse betraying their Spause, but I  never witness a Mother betraying her children"

That is why my dear zenda I pick my Mother.

Peace,

Kate D

Quote from: kate durcal on July 02, 2011, 10:36:35 PM
Still evading a straight answer!


Why I choose my Mom?  "Back during the "The cultural revolution in China" I witness Daughter betraying their fathers, and spouse betraying their Spause, but I  never witness a Mother betraying her children"

That is why my dear zenda I pick my Mother.

Peace,

Kate D

Kia Ora Kate,

::) I already answered your hypothetical question..."Daughter"

::) But I find your answer very interesting.......

  ::) So you "feel" that your daughter would sell you out, [don't trust your daughter] so you wouldn't save her ?

::) Now would your mother think the same about you ?

According to some neuroscientists...When in comes to "moral reasoning" we are "programmed" to respond in certain ways due to the evolutionary wiring of the brain's moral circuitry...   

Metta Zenda :)

so the title read "surgery" but on the actual vote it says genital surgery so i voted no. for top surgery i definitely would! i can't wait to get rid of these things! but bottom surgery? the risks  :-\  I'd have to do a WHOLE LOT of research before i consider that.

Quote from: Zenda on July 02, 2011, 10:57:12 PM
Kia Ora Kate,

According to some neuroscientists...When in comes to "moral reasoning" we are "programmed" to respond in certain ways due to the evolutionary wiring of the brain's moral circuitry...   

Metta Zenda :)

Reference?

Quote from: kate durcal on July 02, 2011, 11:02:37 PM
Reference?

Kia Ora Kate,

::)  Joshua Greene professor Princeton University =philosopher + neuroscientist...

Might I suggest you start a similar topic in the "philosophy" section Kate...

Metta Zenda :)

Kia Ora from the West Island  :D

My first reaction is "like a shot!" 
And upon reflection of what is actually involved and the ramifications, my answer is, "like a shot!!"

Karen.

Not sure that they'll let you do shots before a surgery  :laugh:

Interesting as it turns out 99% of us girls say YES! And --- so do I, given the few important caveats like surgeon quality and PLEASE, not being someone's slave, sex or otherwise.

Our boys are far less enthusiastic as all say: no thank you. Food for thought? Aye :-)

Ok, I know at least in THAT department we (MtFs) seem to do mostly a tad better.
And otherwise? "What we can't feel, we ultimately don't understand".

Still my answer is a clear YES!

Quote from: kate durcal on July 02, 2011, 10:36:35 PM
Still evading a straight answer!


Why I choose my Mom?  "Back during the "The cultural revolution in China" I witness Daughter betraying their fathers, and spouse betraying their Spause, but I  never witness a Mother betraying her children"

That is why my dear zenda I pick my Mother.

Peace,

Kate D

I find your answer quite interesting. Most parents would choose their child, luckily this is just a hypothetical.  ::)

QuoteAccording to some neuroscientists...When in comes to "moral reasoning" we are "programmed" to respond in certain ways due to the evolutionary wiring of the brain's moral circuitry...   

This is correct.

Quote from: Hermione01 on July 03, 2011, 01:16:32 AM
I find your answer quite interesting. Most parents would choose their child, luckily this is just a hypothetical.  ::)

That. I don't and can't :'( have an offspring, but I'll choose my kid if I did in an answer to such a hypothetical question. Though in reality, I think what would actually happen is whoever is closest. Most people I don't think will skip over other friends and relatives thinking "they can die as I'll have to get to my kid/spouse/parent first".

This one is a very tough one to answer for me.
One, nothing is ever free. There is always a price to pay, even if it is later on down the road.
Two, it would depend on the surgeon.
Three, I want SRS just as much as any girl. I want to finally be right. But I am only 4 months into HRT. I am taking my baby steps in womanhood. I am not ready. And I am more concerned with raising my children, one of whom doesn't understand why his father is becoming a woman.
If it was meant to be, it would be when I was ready 100%.

Quote from: jesse on July 02, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
she evades every time

QFT

yes, with some reservations of course. first of all the result has to be truly satisfactory, which means much better than any could manage today (i wouldn't want any of the current options for ftm surgery), secondly it would have to include getting rid of these two unnecessary lumps on my chest

Without any hesitation at all-Yes I would have it. Today I would like to do it myself but will defer to someone with a sharper knife and steadier hands.

Randi

Top surgery? Hell yes, of course! I don't even care if my curves are out of place, I'd be showing that ->-bleeped-<- off all day! ;D If in this hypothetical situation, my mom magically for a day would let me, then it'd be brilliant. I don't care if people think it's weird. It's just one less thing to worry about.

Meta, no, because I'm pre-T and therefore would get nothing out of it.

I would not for several reasons.  First of all, I am not planning on getting bottom surgery, as the available options do not seem to be much of a step up over what T will do.  Also I know it would hurt my family if they were to find out that I had done so without as much as being out to them.  However, if we were talking top surgery that might be worth a late night phone call to let them know what's up.

Quote from: Mika on May 21, 2011, 09:20:58 PM
If I lived on a desert island, yeah. But as I live in a social context and am not out to most people, it would be irresponsible of me. Murrh, I regret not hypothetically having my surgery paid for lol

Why irresponsible?  no one has to know your surgery status. Unless you are talking about needing time off work to recoup. 

  No, there are still some things to sort out.  I don't have any animosity towards the gonads, especially after everything has quieted down there.  A female bottom would be nice though. 
  Joelene

Kia Ora,

::) To ease the mental anguish that some have expressed about there being a catch because "There's no such thing as a free lunch !" 

What if it was a philanthropist who offered this to you out of the kindness of their heart ?  :angel:

::) "An optimist feels this is the best possible world-a pessimist fears this is true !"  :icon_yikes:

Metta Zenda :)

:icon_chuckel:

Quote from: heatherrose on July 26, 2011, 01:33:00 AM

Would that include airfare to San Mateo?

:icon_chuckel:

Kia Ora Heatherrose,

::) Yes plus $10.000 us spending money  ;) ;D [ Generosity is my middle name...Well actually it's my first name  ]  ;)

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: heatherrose on July 26, 2011, 01:40:38 AM

And I can expect the check when?

Kia Ora H,

::) It's in the post....What's the postal system like in the US ?

Metta Zenda :)

:icon_chuckel:

Quote from: heatherrose on July 26, 2011, 01:49:24 AM

I guess your middle name is actually Fibber then?

:icon_chuckel:

Kia Ora H,

::) Honestly it's in the post, I got my personal assistant to post it off ...I don't know...Bloody US post...Tut  ::) Who can you trust nowadays !   

Metta Zenda :)

:icon_poke:

Quote from: Zenda on May 21, 2011, 08:38:18 PM
Kia Ora all,

::) A simple hypothetical question[wishful thinking perhaps for some], but it does require some serious food for thought!

Would you be both mentally and physically ready to have surgery if it was offered to you "tomorrow" for free? And it could "only' be performed "tomorrow" and not any other time for free...

Metta Zenda :)

what time should I be there?!!?

Does the phrase "in a New York minute" answer the question for myself?

Would you have genital surgery "tomorrow" if it was offered to you for free?

not tomorrow, but here where i live... it is !!!free!!!, but i said i don't want this

I would take it if someone offered it, "tomorrow" for free.

I shouldn't, but I certainly would. I mean, I know taking things slower, and planning them out, and letting HRT do it's thing for some time is all the best way to do things. But, I just know that if I were offered something like that I would do it, I am too impatient at my core. I mean, it is much easier to wait and plan things out, because I need those plans  and time to make the money to afford surgery, but if I could afford it now, it would be very hard not to go full speed ahead consequences be damned.

Knowing what I know now, no.

Quote from: Julie Marie on July 26, 2011, 11:15:45 AM
Knowing what I know now, no.

Explain please.

I would jump at at that offer, right now i'm waiting for free treatment on the NHS but the worst thing is the 6 months of waiting to get nowhere. Whilst I can't afford this procedure the part that sells the question is the word "tomorrow" anything to put an end to the endless waiting & uncertainty

Definitely not.
The only downstairs surgery I plan on getting is a hysterecomy eventually. I enjoy sex way too much to take that away from myself, it's one of the only things that gives my mind a break.

surgery plus 10k?? um well .. damn .. err hmm yes... i can deal with all the flack later ..

Quote from: LordKAT on July 26, 2011, 11:29:24 AM
Explain please.

The other costs were more than I bargained for.  I made it 57 years, I could have waited another 5 until I could fully retire.  And I would have eased my kids into it along the way if I really had to transition.  I doubt I would have felt such a strong need if I never got on HRT.

Yes, I would definitely do it.  Even though I don't have all the growth I want, I would still have the surgery.  Or at least a hysto if that was a part of the offer.

Of course...it's highly unlikely that kind of offer will occur.  But in the event that it does (when pigs soar the skies), I would take it.

My reservations would be the quality of the surgeon performing the surgery.... I wouldn't want to be butchered... =A=

Depends what surgery you mean.

If it's FFS, certainly not, that is entirely a last resort and I don't think I'll ever need it.

SRS... maybe. Free is very tempting, but surgery of any kind terrifies me and I'd rather have a few days to mentally prepare for it.

Also it depends on who is doing the surgery.

I'm assuming for the sake of the question that what's implied is "your choice of surgeons, all expenses paid, all stipulations (such as time off hormones and so forth) met) - even your choice of dates"

In other words, all the prudent concerns anyone might have aside.

that still wouldn't cover things like "what about my kids?" or whatever but there are some things money can't fix.

It would depend what surgery for me... If it is top surgery (I'm a transguy) then yes, without hesitation. I'm scared of surgery, but top surgery is going to be vital for me to survive.

Kia Ora,

Just for the fun of it, I've  resurrected this old thread....(A thread from the dead) ;) ;D

So would YOU do it?

Metta Anatta :)

Yes without a doubt in the world.

Yes with two conditions...
1) surgery must be performed by experienced professional.
2) guaranteed free (or affordable within my budget) HRT as soon as medically possible after surgery.

Attack of the zombie thread!  Run for your lives!

Let's see... Cancel weekend plans, skip St. Patrick's day party, call mom.

Done.   

This was for which surgery now?  Tell me I didn't just sign up for a breast reduction!

I said yes. 

how come there's no option for "no surgeries under any circumstances ever"

Without a doubt.

I chose yes with reservations, particularly concerning my weight. 

It would be hard on my body to do both top AND bottom surgery  (and lipo) at the same time, but if I had to in order to get "free" offer then I will.  I'd just need a A LOT of recovery time and an excellent nurse.

                     YES  !!!!!!!

I'm on a waiting list so - yes

yes without a doubt...

hey its free!

Quote from: Oriah on March 13, 2014, 12:15:29 AM
how come there's no option for "no surgeries under any circumstances ever"

I already voted no, but this would basically be my response to the question on genital surgery. Top surgery I already had and I reserve the right to a face lift in the future.  :laugh:

Absolutely, yes. About the only thing I would be hesitant would be credentials. Even if they were doing it as part of their medical training to specialize in the procedure, as long as they were being overseen by someone well established and with great credentials in a hospital setting, I would probably be willing.

So, that would be a pretty strong yes.

Quote from: Oriah on March 13, 2014, 12:15:29 AM
how come there's no option for "no surgeries under any circumstances ever"

That's why the "other" option is there I assume.

Quote from: wheat thins are delicious on March 13, 2014, 07:49:13 PM
That's why the "other" option is there I assume.

Kia Ora WT,

I must admit I added the "other" after Oriah had posted her comment, and in direct response to her comment...

Metta Anatta :)

I would say yes to SRS, but first I have to know quite a few things:

1: What's the catch?  (Do I have to say "thanks" publically, donate a kidney later in life, so forth so forth?)
2: Is it a liscensed professional with a good track record doing the job?  (I'd rather not be the doc's "first time" as I am not the romantic type.)
3: Will it be legally recognized?
4: What are the reasons for "giving away" a "free" surgery?  It's not really free: someone's paying for it.  Which leads to the next question:
5: Who is really paying for it?
6: Are the people "paying for it" consenting to the procedure, or are they being duped/strong-armed into it?
7: Who is paying for travel?  The nearest place that does this procedure is a 4 hour drive away from where I am at, I believe, down in SF.  I can pay for the travel, but pulling the money out of my undies in 24 hours isn't happening...I'd need to save up for a week or two/made sure I had the money to travel.

I am a hard skeptic.  If it is too good to be true, I WILL proceed with caution.

Even if I had to pay it back and they said "hey come in tomorrow" I would be like "packing my bags now"

That sure would be nice. Plastic surgery is almost as expensive as GRS surgery.

Without hesitation I would!

Meh....I had an orchi, so I'm good. I would ask them to give me the money for the surgery and go on vacation or something.

Yes instantly!!! last part of my transition minus the legal stuff

In a heart beat. I have been planing on getting srs soon though. I hope my insurance covers it.

I selected "yes, without a doubt" but then I realized that I actually do have some reservations. I have a surgeon already, but if I had to pick someone else, I'd hunt for someone who would use the same method he is using. I don't want the scars under the chest.

Not anymore. ;) Before, though, YES!

That would be nice. It would sure feel normal to just have a vagina & smooth lower body. I sure hope for decent depth because I love being with men & so want a hard man inside my vagina. Giving oral & receiving anal sex feel good however a 100% normal body would just be soooo nice to enjoy.

I would, I wouldn't want it all done in a day, I'd go slow, I'd also want it to be done in secret....  ???

I'd want to try and schedule for a more optimal time (maybe in a month?) but I don't think I'd have much hesitation.

I wish surgery was tomorrow. I'm so ready for a normal life. I can't wait to have a normal depth vagina, heal up & enjoy life completley.

I guess it would depend on the surgeon. If I got to choose the surgeon though, you're damn right I would do it. Get this damn thing off me!!!!

Srs surgery? Can it come with ffs too?
Lol
I'm not on HRT yet but I don't see any risk to that, would there be?

Oh hell yeah, assuming I could smuggle my fiance with me as well.

YESS absolutely yes. I cannot wait until the day i get my srs, but first i would want rhinoplasty and i simply don't have the money...

Sure! Thanks for the offer!

i would really have to think about it. i want FFS more than anything.

 Sure... as long as I get to pick the surgery. Top surgery, in a heartbeat -- I have reservations about bottom surgery, mainly because of my age: I know I don't heal as fast as I used to, and the rate of complications is pretty high, even with meta. Phalloplasty... just no. I don't want the scarring. And as far as meta goes, I'm nowhere near ready for it "down there," anyway.

And nothing is really free... I'd hate to get to the hospital and have them say, "Oh, by the way, we're also going to take one of your kidneys."   :o (Actually, I might go for that, but I'd have to think about it.)

Yes!
Absolutely Without Any Doubt or Hesitation!

Ally :icon_flower:

Quote from: Allyda on May 21, 2014, 11:25:07 PM
Yes!
Absolutely Without Any Doubt or Hesitation!

Ally :icon_flower:

Haha~ Took the words right out of my mouth.

Really, I'm not sure how healthy it would be, given that I'm not even on hormones yet, but there would still be zero hesitation on my part. This is 100% something I want, something I've wished for since what feels like forever, and regardless of whatever hormonal issues it might cause to get it that soon, if I said no, the cost of having to pay for it myself later would mean that there would be a huge possibility of it never happening at all.

I still wouldn't like anything else about my body, but at least I'd feel happy when I looked down.

well I would say yes but it's not enough time for me to fly to thailand and have the surgery plus I don't have the passport yet. altho you have to stop hormones for 2 weeks before you can have the surgery.

Yes to top surgery. No to bottom but only because I'm not happy with any of the results it gives at this time. I feel there is more wiggle room for scientific advances that haven't been implemented to patients yet that I personally would prefer instead.