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hi everyone !

this is not exactly a whinning thread, i do have questions, like :
"am i the only one?"
and then, "why?"

so i had surgery with Suporn in feb 2010, everything went well, except i got more swollen than most people but it wasn't such a big issue, i was just told i'd need one more month to deflate,

but my problem was, even months and months after this surgery, a year after, swelling is gone, but aestetically, what i have there doesn't look like anything i've ever seen, as everything seems oversized :

labia majora rubs against tighs when walking,
labia minora is even bigger than majora and could be stretched to about 8cm or 3"
and i have a bit of bent corpora cavernosa over the neoclitoris that is not only outwards and obvious, but also painful when trying to get erected

so as a result i have an aesthetical failure that is a source of pain in case of arousal, and a buldge that is visible thru my clothes, probably more visible that preop and tucked...



it is true that i was pretty well endowed as a male , and i do maintain 8" depth but is it possible that i am the only one with this corpora cavernosa issue?

when i look down, i just see a shortened version of my old penis, with a pair of huge steaks hanging from it, to speak honestly..



but the story is not over !

disapointed by my result, i seeked correction of course,
exchanged mails with sophie, sent her pictures, she told me that all my issues could be "easily" fixed,

so i bought a ticket to thailand, saw Dr Suporn who simply told me " no, i can't touch that, too dangerous for nerves"


how is it possible that Sophie ensures patients of impossible things? doesn't she communicate with the surgeon at all? i sent my pictures and comment to get HIS advices, not hers, unless she is surgeon herself !

Dr Suporn did tighten some skin, so i can say half of a secondary issue was fixed, as my labia majora is a bit less flabby, and my labia minora can only be stretched to 2", wich is still considered a major hypertrophia by labiaplasty surgeons ... and this correction was extremely painful, and i really think i lost some sensation, yayy ...


Sophie could have spared me a whole trip to thailand by not bull->-bleeped-<-ting me, i am quite mad at her for that, if she told me the truth (as "Dr Suporn can not touch your corpora cavernosa" ) i'd just have saved that money for a more urogenitally-specialized surgeon ...



so i'm not looking for people to pat my head and say "there, there", i just want you all to be aware of my testimonial,

and i am indeed curious about people's satisfaction, i have seen a few postop pictures from suporn, on suporn's yahoo group and various other sites, and NONE shows the corpora cavernosa bulge i have,

so does anyone have it?
do anyone feel it, even tho it's not visible?

i really wonder why my result looks different than any other  ???

I have a distended urethral bulb and lack most of the labia minor and clitorus.
Yes it is painful when I get aroused, so I really understand. It hurts when you walk or stand for a while right?

My corpora cavernosa, extends deep into my vaginal opening and makes dialation very painful at times. Tylenol is useless.

I wish I could offer a solution, as I am searching for one as well. I dont have many options, it took me 20 years to afford the surgeon I did have.

But. Am I better off then before? Yes. I dont look like the girl on page 43 of.. Well never mind  :)

I wish you luck, not all of the results are as nice or as successful as we'd hope. Just sucks to be us  :)

Quote from: juliemac on May 23, 2011, 04:20:13 AM
Yes it is painful when I get aroused, so I really understand. It hurts when you walk or stand for a while right?

it did at first but it seems ok now in those conditions, or only as a vague pain i don't really care much,

but it's painful to touch, and as it's kind of "outside" it can be a bit of an issue, but i learned to be careful over time

QuoteMy corpora cavernosa, extends deep into my vaginal opening and makes dialation very painful at times.

yup that too



for the somution,i might have it, under the name of Miroslav Djodjevic, a serbian suegeon more specialized in FTM surgery, but he also does various genital delicate surgery and is according to his website's pictures, totally able to discard the whold corpora cavernosa while keeping nerves and important stuff , (pictures on his website, don't click if you can't see BLOOD (http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com/penile-inversion) )

the problem is it's a 6000 euros surgery again, and i do not have such money .. nor did i have the SRS money for suporn until i received money as inheritage from my deceased grandmother ...


so i'm in such situation that i chosed "the best" surgeon for my SRS, to end up in a "worse than preop" situation, in wich i still need surgery, still can't wear swimsuits, still can't be seen nude, BUT gained some pain issues, dilations etc...

all the bad, none of the good ...

Firstly I am sorry to hear that you have this problem, but I feel I should point out the issue with the corpus cavernosa is not unique to suporn or indeed a recent development.

I lived with the same thing for near enough 25 years following my mid 80's SRS with another surgeon. Fixing it turns out to have been a relatively simple and almost painless process, which was done as part of my mid-life revision in 2010.

As for dilational pain - my advice is use even more lube! - I know that sounds trite - but it really did solve the issue for me - which is how I came to live with it for so long before getting it fixed. I am also pleased to say that once the nerve ending eventually settled down the sensitivity did reduce to manageable proportions.

Finally this is a perfect example of the hazards of looking at pics on the internet. This is why I don't really think that is always the best way to proceed when you are choosing a surgeon, because some surgeons will be more honest than others. Many of them post the one lucky perfect result they they got - whilst others choose a more representative example. So the only way to really know what will happen is to talk to the surgeon, and a few of his previous patients. That way you can build a picture.

The good news however is that from personal experience - this problem CAN be fixed.

I agree with Jenny, it's quite dangerous to look at the internet and compare.
There are so many variations in people, trans or cis, everybody is unique.
This is also for the operations, the same surgeon with the same techniques can have different results.
Nobody heal on the same way because of different bodies.


For the record, I don't have any expiriences with Thai surgeons, so I'm not a good help for that.
Is there any surgeon nearby for a second opinion?

I hope for you that the problems can be solved like Jenny said, simple and painless.

Wishing you all the best for a solution.

hugs
Annette

Quote from: rejennyrated on May 23, 2011, 05:04:07 AM

Finally this is a perfect example of the hazards of looking at pics on the internet. This is why I don't really think that is always the best way to proceed when you are choosing a surgeon, because some surgeons will be more honest than others. Many of them post the one lucky perfect result they they got - whilst others choose a more representative example.

that only applies for the pics that are on the surgeon's websites, not postop pics you can find anywhere else, and wich have been uploaded by patients themselves ;)

if you look for pics, find all the pics you can, of course :) you can find some on the surgeon's yahoo groups (there are independent ones from suporn and chettawut and probably other) there are some other like Lynn Conway's website and such :)

At first blush I would have thought that labiaplasty would have been an option to resolve this situation. I also would have that
Dr. Suporn would be ab to resolve this as he is purported to be quite gifted.

As to the appearance of your vagina, and it not looking like vaginas you have seen on the Net, I often-times say that "vaginas are
like fingerprints or snowflakes" with no two looking alike.

Quote from: peggygee on May 23, 2011, 03:21:25 PM
At first blush I would have thought that labiaplasty would have been an option to resolve this situation. I also would have that
Dr. Suporn would be ab to resolve this as he is purported to be quite gifted.

and he did!

well actually, labiaplasty itself is a secondary to me ( biggest problem being the corpora cavernosa one, they are kind of linked, but different)
but i went to chonburi in febuary this year, i had the correction, i had the pain, but he still left so much skin... he really seem to be very reluctant in discarding anything, it's a good philosophy when you have few material, but i had way too much (nope, it's not bragging -_- ) and i still do today :(


it's quite a shame because his technique is really amazing to some aspects, and i don't think the problem is that he can't handle people like me, because i know some who had no issues with him... but maybe he wasn't happy with them? or why else would he correct so little on me...  :-\

it's just too puzzling ...

Quote from: Nickie_66 on May 23, 2011, 03:11:00 AM
and i am indeed curious about people's satisfaction, i have seen a few postop pictures from suporn, on suporn's yahoo group and various other sites, and NONE shows the corpora cavernosa bulge i have,

so does anyone have it?
do anyone feel it, even tho it's not visible?

i really wonder why my result looks different than any other  ???

Your result is unique because each person and each SRS procedure is unique...it's that simple. No two people are alike; similar, but different. My procedure was performed by Dr. Brassard, and I've had chronic problems with recurring UTI's due to urethral stenosis. Complications following the procedure are probably relatively common, they DO occur, and we know this is possible before we undergo the surgery.

All we can do, is deal with these problems if they occur, if it means seeing a different surgeon for your problem, or a urologist for mine, we do what we must. Unpleasant as it may be, I'd prefer to deal with the complication rather than what I had to live with before the procedure.

hmm, i wouldn't call my issues "complications" as they are not related to any healing process or anything that appeared after surgery, i've had a few complications due to extreme swelling, no biggie , and gone today


no, to me, my actual issues feel more like if builders used some wrong measurements, or like an instrument out of tune: it doesn't get bad, it's just made this way...

I had my surgery with Dr Bowers and she had MORE revisions of other surgeons work that week than fresh ones like mine.  My vagina is extremely fat and i dont necessarily like it BUT EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY MAN that i have been with has gone CRAZY over a phatty.  It shows through my pants sometimes if i dont wear a pad and men are breaking their necks to talk to me.  Now I DONT have any pain and mine DOESNT look like it was a problem at some point, it is just fatter than I would like but it seems to be a turn on to ALL.

SORRY FOR YOUR PAIN but maybe u should seek dr bowers.  I thought I was going to get it touched up but actually it looks normal for a tall woman my age and NO MAN has been suspicious of it.

i'm not interested in men, actually...

I can relate to the swelling part of things. I'm almost 3 months post-op now and there is still a bit of swelling or at least I thought. I recently saw Marci for a followup and she said it was probably mostly just leftover fat. Maybe that fat will move around at some point? I dont know. seems a bit odd and I do have a similar thing where when I walk (at least naked) I feel bowlegged some from having it rub against my legs. But hopefully within the year or so that will go down more, I don't know.

not yet 3 month isn't so long,

in my case the swelling got better from the 6th month ;)

patience...

i got an answer from sophie!

it is pretty amazing.... sophie replies me personally, she speaks for herself, not for  the clinic, wich was ironically the very reason of my complaint, to begin with ...

here are some quotes :

Quote
I made it very clear to you that the comments I made were "in my opinion". [...] At no time in that brief period did you ask me to confirm that Dr Suporn's opinion agreed with mine,

this sums up my WHOLE complaint :
NO patient is obviously asking her "opinion" about surgerical procedures and faisability, risks or results
it goes without saying that whoever writes to a clinic about surgery for a correction, expects answers from someone qualified in surgery, and not "opinions" of a secretary in charge of bookings and agenda.

did i underwent surgery based on the OPINION of someone who is not doctor ?


now you know from herself that if you want real information about your oncoming correction, you have to specify that you want actual real informations...

QuoteYou were given 8 inches of depth with our largest dilator, excellent sensation, orgasmic capability, very good cosmetics, and received a substantial revision to improve even those for free

well, the truth is: i have moderate sensation with many numb spots, poor cosmetics, and the "warranty" revision did worsen my sensation, without improving cosmetics noticeably.

why does sophie tells me wrong information about my own body? i'm the one who knows best about those points.
and to think that she has seen pictures, it's like she really believes what she says....


the whole point of my complain is not about Dr Suporn, it's about how the worsening of my issues could have been avoided.
misunderstandings happen, but in business context, they usually benefit to the one who pays, don't they?

QuotePeople who complain on the internet always do so much more loudly than those who are happy, and you are no exception. You seem to display typical characteristics of one who complains - as you did on the internet when on 23 May 2011 you boldly (and rather disgustingly, to my mind) described your overall successful operation to the public at large as "Suporn's Failure" at  https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=98958.0 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=98958.0)  Please re-read the replies you got to that. Not many seemed to support you. I am sure Dr Suporn himself will be thrilled to see your opinion of the outcome of your operation and service to have been so blatantly entitled, and cast into the public domain.

QuoteI suggest that you publish your result picture on the internet – tell everyone what depth you have, describe somewhat more honestly than hitherto what aftercare you received, and then see how many sympathise with you, and how many agree that your operation is a "Suporn Failure". I rather imagine it will have the opposite effect to what you wanted, and a very large number of people will be very eager and envious to have an outcome as good as yours.

okay, so now it seems that my crotch must be shown all over the internet .... old pictures already were on the Suporn's yahoo group, but having not posted there for a while, my account got suspended and i have to re-subscribe, wich is quite an anoying process...

so people would envy my result? that is not very likely, considering that a close friend of mine, MTF too, who came with me twice in chonburi, who has seen other people's SRS result, (including satisfactory ones from suporn) is so scared to ever get such a result as mine that she currently GAVE UP going to suporn's , as she originally intended to.
and people would envy my result? a "very large number" of people??



so to anyone who really want to know: THE RAR FILE containing the pictures IS THERE (http://www.mediafire.com/?yzglfeva1k0lea6) you can ask me the password by MP or mail, or guess it (it's pretty easy ;) )

and feel free to come back on this thread and give your opinion about it, Sophie is reading ...
(and once again, i don't blame suporn, i do wonder why it happened, but i guess it can happen, it's surgery so results can vary ... the thing i don't like is when my attempts at having it fixed are wasted, mocked, denied..)




and about the aftercare, well, the hospital nurses are just there to give you paracetamol, they aren't specialized enough to manage usine catethers well, and they often mess up when reinserting one, then , when you're back to the hotel, you're visited by the staff girls to check on you, but none of them is nurse or anything, they are only hostesses...
those problems for example, have been fixed by Chettawut, as he was also facing them in the past years, he now operates in his own clinic, not every single day, and has his own nurses, i guess suporn will also walk this way, but for the moment, he's overwhelmed .. from my experience there, i don't even think he stops for lunch at noon ...

QuoteI suggest you ask your new "specialist" to write again (rather - for the first time). I guarantee you will find the administrative failure is with him/her, and not with me. Just ask direct if he/she has written........I know already what his/her answer will be.

oh, that's not a very nice, or professional thing to say ...

the thing is, i AM directly talking with this surgeon, i mean directly, he writes to me himself, and i answer to him....
you can see here that Sophie calls other surgeons "liars" and she keeps on doing it:

QuoteIt seems he/she is very bold already to have assured you he can do what Dr Suporn could not do, but then wishes to ask Dr Suporn how to do it.

let's sum it up:
-Suporn can not correct my corpora cavernosa, i accept it because he is specialized in aestethic surgery only, (sophie was wrong to believe that he could do everything/anything, he never told me so himself, he has always been honest and professional . )
-Djodjevic tells me he can correct it, because he is specialized in urology, and has already dissected corpora cavernosa more than once, there is even a picture of the said dissection on his website.
-before operating me, Djodjevic would like to see a post operative report of what has been done to me, there is none,
but my genitals being now a "non standard model", he logically wished to ask my first surgeon a few details about how my organs are now arranged....

this, to sophie, means "asking Dr Suporn how to perform my correction" ........ what an honest person's comment that is ...

(one more question is: is it true that suporn doesn't know how to correct me, or is it just that he can't do it in the clinic, but would need the hospital block instead , and therefore, lose more money for my "lifetime warranty"... have i simply been judged too expensive?
or has miscomunication been an issue there again ? )

QuoteDr Suporn does not see everything that is written to him that is correct. Nor does Bill Gates personally read and reply to every letter sent to Microsoft.

Bill Gates hasn't set up my computer himself, like Dr Suporn did set up my crotch ...

Dr Suporn also doesn't have as many customers as Bill Gates does,
and Bill Gates doesn't charge over ten thousand bucks per installation of Windows....
but yeah, let's compare, they're totally similar -_-

QuoteI think that covers everything. Please do not reply - unless it is to apologise to Dr Suporn, me, and the rest of the Clinic and hospital staff, because I am not prepared to discuss this with you any further.

i never meant to discuss anything with her, tho ....

i have not accused Dr Suporn of anything, therefore i will not apologize to him, but i will thank him again for my srs, like i did in Thailand.
i think he's a very good surgeon, but he is working in conditions that have become worse and worse over the years.....
i have not accused any other staff member of anything either .
i have only complained about the slow degradation of overal quality of service around the clinic, and the absence of real communication about the issues i need to have corrected, wich only Sophie, is responsible of.
Dr Suporn and all the members of his staff in Chonburi deserve my deepest gratitude, respect and admiration .

but one thing about me: i'm not concerned by the syndrome of Stockholm, and i shall never worship any surgeon like some transfolks do, heck those folks even worship the butchers who give terrible assymetric penile inversions with tons of complications in my country ....

of course, she also says that my remarks are based on internet rumours, and that virtually nobody could compare for example, her service with Dr Kim's service,
well, to be honest, i'm not alone behind my computer, we are actually about 5 (their number, country, and of course identity will remain secret, i can just say that none of them is familiar with trans bulletin boards :p ) and among us, some can testify that things were indeed better before...
the reason why i talk for them is that my business with the clinic is over, as Dr Suporn considers himself unable to do anything more on me, the people who help me writing still plan on using their warranty eventually, so they don't want their identy to be known, of course... if i wasn't there to speak for them, their concerns would remain secret, what a pity that would be !
and how many other patients are remaining silent for the same reasons?

Sophie says that Kim left with a large number of complaints.... well maybe back then, the complaints did actually reach the clinic, do they still do now?

I have just viewed Nickie's results and agree that she has a legitimate reason to complain.  Her result is clearly a case of poorly performed surgery and not the result of anything she could have done herself or the result of poor healing.  No one should have to go through two surgeries, let alone three surgeries--this procedure should have been done properly the first time and her concerns should have been addressed in a more professional manner.  Dr Suporn and his staff should be accountable and not belittle Nickie's concerns by telling her that others would be envious of the results.  By doing so, they are saying that Nickie is stupid which she is not.  It is too bad that she could not launch a class action lawsuit against Suporn, his clinic, and his staff.  Her results can probably be corrected but, like I said, no one should have to go through three surgeries to achieve satisfactory results.

Wow, her reply to you really makes me second think Dr. Suporn as a surgeon. I'm not saying that he's not a quite gifted surgeon, quite the opposite. But, I question someone who would employ someone that would speak as brashly as Sophie.

Nickie, no surgeon's office manager or secretary should be giving a patient the impression that they have consulted with the surgeon, making another trip to Thailand only to be told by the surgeon that they can not help you should have never happened if Dr. Suporn would have been told and involved, i wonder if there was a language breakdown.

My surgery was with Dr. Mcginn 5 months ago, i had questions over these 5 months, her office manager never gives you an answer or leads you to believe that she has talked to the doctor, Dr. Mcginn will call you back, she also removes the packing, catheter, gives you the grand tour of your new anatomy and shows you how to dilate, other surgeons have someone else do this, there is nothing wrong with it but i liked the personal attention, it showed me i was just not another $ sign.

Paula

Quote from: paulault55 on October 09, 2011, 11:14:53 PM

My surgery was with Dr. Mcginn 5 months ago, i had questions over these 5 months, her office manager never gives you an answer or leads you to believe that she has talked to the doctor, Dr. Mcginn will call you back, she also removes the packing, catheter, gives you the grand tour of your new anatomy and shows you how to dilate, other surgeons have someone else do this, there is nothing wrong with it but i liked the personal attention, it showed me i was just not another $ sign.

Paula

My surgery was performed in Thailand, I might add with a different doctor,  and all email contact was direct with the doctor.  I had no contact with his office staff at all until I arrived in Thailand.  He also performed all procedures personally including removal of packing, catheter, dilation instruction and the grand tour.  All very personal attention including his daily visits for the entire time and sit down chats just chewing the fat about anything.  Excellent service and results.

Unfortunately things can happen, it is major surgery after all and surgeons are only human.  However, if the replies shown from Suporns' office staff are anything to go by he needs to really fix this or he will quickly suffer the consequences.  Nobody should be spoken to like indicated and in no case should his office staff be giving surgical advise.

All the best for the future Nickie, I pray things will improve in the near furture for you.

Quote from: AbracaDebra on October 11, 2011, 12:23:31 PMSome views are not as bad as others but one is particularly bad (I guess you know which one).

actually i don't easily guess wich one is particularly bad, they all represent a daily annoyance to me  :-\

QuoteMay I ask, has the surgery (and Suporn) seen these pictures and/or commented?

well, last year, i have sent some pre-correction pics to sophie, i don't know if they reached suporn, i have no idea of what reaches suporn or not ...

as for those present pics, no, i haven't sent them to the clinic, as the clinic's mail person has asked me to not contact them anymore, and there is no direct mail address to contact the clinic directly, i did send a fax, but no pictures.

it looks like they are playing the ostrich anyway, when i was in thailand, about my painful erectile bulge, Suporn just told me that it might get better over time eventually ....he did look a bit confused, and it's been almost two years now and i don't want to keep those issues for years ....


so no, i have no comment from suporn's clinic.

Quote from: AbracaDebra on October 11, 2011, 12:56:56 PMWhat are your thoughts on what you want to do?

well i have many projects about the community, but they are mostly revolving around my french blog, for that suporn issue, wich is international, i don't know,

i think it would be good to create something like a results/testimonial archive, wich would be anonymous of course, but who would be a time archive, then you could see the progresses, or laziness of surgeons over time, or even have various stats about satisfaction and stuff, pretty much like EBAY sellers have ratings :)

but i'm very aware that finding so many testimonials would be quite a task .....

Quote
(Actually, I am going to contact a friend (who actually is a member here) whose opinion I would like on this if that's ok)

no problem, the only purpose of the password on the file is to avoid those pictures to be found by anybody who would ignore the story and background of it and taken out of context, so i'll be happy to hear your friend's opinion ;)

Nickie, fwiw, I am very sorry for your result. The image with the corpus cavernosa visibly bulging out was very unsettling. I've never seen a result like that, that bulge is just not right. But what also unsettles me, is the apparent lack of communication between Sophie and Dr. Suporn about your CC bulge, pre-revision. That was a largely wasted trip for you, since your primary issue was left untouched. I can understand Sophie being upset at viewing a thread titled the way this one is, but her replies to you are shockingly unprofessional. Especially with her twisting your urologist's question into "asking Suporn how to fix it" and the Bill Gates comparison.

What scares me about Sophie's replies to you, is that, as the sole contact person, the sole "admin" for the Suporn Clinc, she is essentially a gatekeeper. There is no one else you can go through, to get to Dr. Suporn, to communicate with him. So, if you upset Sophie, apparently she can simply tell you, that you are blocked from any future support or revisions, revisions that Suporn himself guaranteed you (and me). Far from "envious", I would have been hysterical, or at least depressed and upset, if I had had an outcome like what I saw in your pictures (especially IMGs 1929 and 1962!), which thankfully I did not.

I am now just about six months post-op from Dr. Suporn. I had a wonderful experience with him and his staff. Aey, Jib, and the rest of the hostess team were engaging, responsive, and compassionate. Suporn's clinical nursing staff were extremely competent during my minor in-house revision at two weeks post-op. In all my interactions with her, Sophie was never anything but pleasant, professional, and caring. Suporn, while often busy, seemed to have enough time to see me both in Aikchol and at the clinic, regularly, during my recovery. My surgery, hospital, and hotel stay, where all fairly routine (the hospital nurses generally gave me much stronger stuff than paracetamol when I asked ;) ).

I suffered no complications during, or six months after, the operation. I experienced no "degradation" of services while there (just friendly, supportive, and responsive staff), and have no complaints about anything relating to my Chonburi experience. If I had to do it again, I would go back to the Suporn Clinic in a heartbeat, unhesitatingly.

Quote from: AbracaDebra on October 09, 2011, 08:44:38 PM
So is it possible he has got better at it over the last couple of years ?

Most of the girls that preceded me, and came after me, were similarly pleased, if not ecstatic, at their outcomes. For myself, I am simply amazed and gratified at how functional, sensitive, and cosmetically normal-looking my result has so far turned out. In my admittedly biased opinion, my new vagina is superior in appearance than most results I have seen in images and in person from other surgeons, including Suporn. With their penchant for tossing out the useful bits that were used to make my vagina and labia, I have no doubt that none of the UK or NA surgeons could have given me the detail, depth, and overall cosmetic appearance I received from Dr. Suporn.

To anyone else considering Dr. Suporn, may I suggest that Nickie's result is far from "typical" of his work. Just because she had a post-op issue, is no guarantee that you will. It just seems odd to me, that Suporn would not fix it for you, while a urologist could? I think Sophie owes you an apology for her lack of professionalism. I can only imagine how upset you must be. I hope you are able to get a resolution to your problem, Nickie.

Quote from: Heidi52 on October 11, 2011, 06:16:21 PM




I am now just about six months post-op from Dr. Suporn. I had a wonderful experience with him and his staff. Aey, Jib, and the rest of the hostess team were engaging, responsive, and compassionate. Suporn's clinical nursing staff were extremely competent during my minor in-house revision at two weeks post-op. In all my interactions with her, Sophie was never anything but pleasant, professional, and caring. Suporn, while often busy, seemed to have enough time to see me both in Aikchol and at the clinic, regularly, during my recovery. My surgery, hospital, and hotel stay, where all fairly routine (the hospital nurses generally gave me much stronger stuff than paracetamol when I asked ;) ).

I suffered no complications during, or six months after, the operation. I experienced no "degradation" of services while there (just friendly, supportive, and responsive staff), and have no complaints about anything relating to my Chonburi experience. If I had to do it again, I would go back to the Suporn Clinic in a heartbeat, unhesitatingly.

Most of the girls that preceded me, and came after me, were similarly pleased, if not ecstatic, at their outcomes. For myself, I am simply amazed and gratified at how functional, sensitive, and cosmetically normal-looking my result has so far turned out. In my admittedly biased opinion, my new vagina is superior in appearance than most results I have seen in images and in person from other surgeons, including Suporn. With their penchant for tossing out the useful bits that were used to make my vagina and labia, I have no doubt that none of the UK or NA surgeons could have given me the detail, depth, and overall cosmetic appearance I received from Dr. Suporn.

To anyone else considering Dr. Suporn, may I suggest that Nickie's result is far from "typical" of his work. Just because she had a post-op issue, is no guarantee that you will. It just seems odd to me, that Suporn would not fix it for you, while a urologist could? I think Sophie owes you an apology for her lack of professionalism. I can only imagine how upset you must be. I hope you are able to get a resolution to your problem, Nickie.

That's great and we are all so happy for YOU!  YAY!  Look at you!   :) :) :) :)  Happpy Happy Joy Joy!

I don't think your commentary on how great your results and results of others does anything except rub salt in Nickies wounds.  This is about her and the unpleasant results she suffered from what appears to be a rather unprofessional surgeon.  If you want to tout the merits of Dr Suporn as a surgeon and brag about how great your results are then perhaps you should start a thread on it. ;D

Quote from: Heidi52 on October 11, 2011, 06:16:21 PM
I experienced no "degradation" of services while there (just friendly, supportive, and responsive staff), and have no complaints about anything relating to my Chonburi experience. If I had to do it again, I would go back to the Suporn Clinic in a heartbeat, unhesitatingly.

the degradations i was talking about were over years,
as i've been to the clinic last year and this year, i could see that there was just slighly less services, if you talk to someone who had surgery with suporn some years ago, they'll tell you many stories that can't happen anymore, there are less outside trips etc
even the hotel is just barely a shadow of what it used to be , but of course the clinic isn't responsible for that, it just participates in the "degradation" mood you experience when you go there again after some time ....


of course the staff is great, and Aey and Jib are there since quite some years so they are not participating in the loss of quality of course :)
but i keep hearing stories of catheter difficulties from the hospital nurses (not the clinic staff fortunately)

QuoteTo anyone else considering Dr. Suporn, may I suggest that Nickie's result is far from "typical" of his work.

your testimony is good,
it's quite puzzling me , because i have no way to explain my result, but yeah, if ALL Suporn patients were like me, he would already be out of business i believe, and he is not, so hopefully i'm rare ,

but not knowing why it happened with me, then who else can it happen to ?

In my opinion, this could be due to suporn's technique versus a longer penile length, the extra length of the penile flap, probably due to it being longer, to retain the more sensate skin near the head, it is not cut away, this longer flap is being saved and covered the clitoris more fully, this is actually better sensate wise. There seems to be tendency of the neo vagina's lips to sink over time, especially in the case of the penile flap inversion technique, having the extra tissue ensure that never occurred. I think the same  done in the asian trans women due to more skin elasticity would make the lips look fuller and more pleasing (nature).

as a future surgeon, after reviewing it, I would consider it (the pictures) completely unacceptable results and function wise. correcting that looks like a pain because of desire to retain nerve function (as well as dealing with excess labia minora skin) but a reconstructive urological surgeon should be able to hack it.

I'm wondering if you would be okay with pm'ing me the password Nickie? I work at an IT department for a college, but I can't seem to find a way to pm you, I keep on getting an access denied error whenever I click on your profile. My guess is that I need a certain number of posts to be able to PM people ;)

If Nickie isn't active on this board anymore/doesn't mind can someone post the password for me? I assure you that I'm a creeper or a pervert or anything like that. I'm just extremely interested in SRS results. (Especially stuff that isn't posted on surgeon's websites.)

i am active yup, but gimme a break guys, i had my correction with Dr Djodjevic 2 days ago :p


the team told me "we don't get it, you had like a whole penis left"

they have removed 8 centimeters of corpora cavernosa and corrected what could be according to the new context :D

i'm now out of the hospital already, i can walk short distances, i'm not taking any painkillers but there are some positions that are totally painless, i'm pretty amazed; the surgeon described my surgery as "not very invasive" ...
so from today, i'll have a roomate in the appartment, he was already in the hospital when i arrived in serbia, and stayed long because he had a "really big surgery" i don't even wanna imagine what was done to him :O :O


so i'm quietly recovering now, and i'll be home next week :)



Wavooka: i had the same problem as you, you need 15 posts to PM people, yes it's pretty unique but that's the way it is :)

Quote from: Nickie_66 on October 30, 2011, 01:46:02 AM



the team told me "we don't get it, you had like a whole penis left"

they have removed 8 centimeters of corpora cavernosa and corrected what could be according to the new context :D

WTF?????  Glad to hear it all went well.   :)

I'm glad to hear your revision went really awesome. It's pretty funny to me that you went to a Serbian to fix the problem created by the Taiwanese haha, then again I don't know the whole politics of grs.

As for your question, I'm certainly not Sophie (That is, I try not to be too condescending.) I just prefer to lurk rather than post. Being practically pre-everything I'm not sure that I have any thing better to add.

I hope your recovery goes great, and that you'll tell us all about your success!

Wow Nickie ;))) I am SOO very hapoy for you XXOOXOXO HEAL WELL SISTER

Quote from: Wavooka on October 31, 2011, 12:14:19 AM

As for your question, I'm certainly not Sophie (That is, I try not to be too condescending.)

just kidding :p

i know she's lurking too tho :D


anyway sure i'll tell you how it goes, for the moment it's still difficult, i can walk a bit better each day but not enough to go out yet, today i finally had a bowel movement and went to the toilet with my compression bandage, and could figure how bloody hard that is T_T

and i do mean "bloody" :/


aaah, put me to sleep during 2 months!

Quote from: Wavooka on October 31, 2011, 12:14:19 AM
I'm glad to hear your revision went really awesome. It's pretty funny to me that you went to a Serbian to fix the problem created by the Taiwanese ...

Suporn is a Thai surgeon, the surgeons who perform reassignment in China/Taiwan are pretty secretive of their work (in the sense of visibility to western trans people).

(I have a couple names but haven't really confirmed they are in a gender identity program in practitioner side)

Yeah I'm so glad you got it fixed Nickie =)

All the best for your recovery Nickie_66!
:angel:

Glad to hear you got it fixed! :)

It's been my experience that Sophie will argue with you about your own body. That she would offer "personal opinion" and accuse other surgeons of lying doesn't surprise me. Aside from my issues with closing up, I too have numb spots and inner labia that protrude out from between outer labia. And I have granulation tissue that recurred after my third surgery that's causing me pain when I sit. You have my sympathies.

Quote from: Dàwkbua on November 03, 2011, 10:00:11 PM
It's been my experience that Sophie will argue with you about your own body. That she would offer "personal opinion" and accuse other surgeons of lying doesn't surprise me. Aside from my issues with closing up, I too have numb spots and inner labia that protrude out from between outer labia. And I have granulation tissue that recurred after my third surgery that's causing me pain when I sit. You have my sympathies.

*Shudder* SRS sounds so scary.

Most people have a good result, so it shouldn't be scary. Once in a while something goes wrong.

I was just thinking too, does anyone else have places they basically can't touch because they're still sore even after more than a year?

Quote from: Dàwkbua on November 04, 2011, 11:41:12 AM
Most people have a good result, so it shouldn't be scary. Once in a while something goes wrong.

I was just thinking too, does anyone else have places they basically can't touch because they're still sore even after more than a year?

Is it a function of soreness or hypersensitivity?

Soreness. It hurts to touch there. It's funny because before my revision the soreness was on the right side and now it's on the left.

I'm having the same issue, I can't send a PM to you. Would you mind sending one to me. I'm still pretty set on not having surgery, however over the past couple months I have reconsidered the idea slightly, Suporn is one of the few that I would consider.

Thanks,

-Lef

Quote from: Wavooka on October 25, 2011, 08:48:42 PM
I'm wondering if you would be okay with pm'ing me the password Nickie? I work at an IT department for a college, but I can't seem to find a way to pm you, I keep on getting an access denied error whenever I click on your profile. My guess is that I need a certain number of posts to be able to PM people ;)

If Nickie isn't active on this board anymore/doesn't mind can someone post the password for me? I assure you that I'm a creeper or a pervert or anything like that. I'm just extremely interested in SRS results. (Especially stuff that isn't posted on surgeon's websites.)

Quote from: leflauren678 on November 04, 2011, 04:50:01 PM
I'm having the same issue, I can't send a PM to you.

you're just one post away from unlocking the feature;)

Quote from: Nickie_66 on November 05, 2011, 06:19:35 AM
you're just one post away from unlocking the feature;)

I don't really understand this policy.

In a place where people talk about really sensitive issues, It seems strange to block this.

Quote from: Guantanamera on November 05, 2011, 10:32:46 AM
I don't really understand this policy.

In a place where people talk about really sensitive issues, It seems strange to block this.

It's so trouble makers can't join, then immediatly start pming everyone with spam or worse.

The rules also say that the first 15 posts need to be real, simply filling pages with silliness to boose post count is not permitted. So, by the time you reach your 15, the mods will have some idea of who you are.

It's unfortunate but necessary.

May I suggest you create an email account somewhere. Make up a jpeg image of the adress, which will not be found by spam bots, then post that in the Just for Us section? That is, if your request for private feedback is so urgent.

That seems pretty rational.

Have there been problems with trolls in the past?

Whoops. Didn't mean to hijack your thread.

We're all still eagerly awaiting the results of your SRS Nikki  ???

well for the moment it's swollen, bloody and painful :D

yayyyy

so i'm still patient, it's just a bit more than a week old anyway (and i have quite a propension to swell... )

it may look promising but who knows how it'll be in 3 months, at least i can say that the erectile pain is not there and that PC muscle contractions are also pretty much painless excepted the pulled stitches ... witch is a good thing already

Djorjevic is happy of the result, but i'm waiting to see by myself ;)

Congrats ms lady ;)), I am so very happy for you truly big hugs

Quote from: Nickie_66 on November 07, 2011, 12:55:44 PM
well for the moment it's swollen, bloody and painful :D

yayyyy

so i'm still patient, it's just a bit more than a week old anyway (and i have quite a propension to swell... )

it may look promising but who knows how it'll be in 3 months, at least i can say that the erectile pain is not there and that PC muscle contractions are also pretty much painless excepted the pulled stitches ... witch is a good thing already

Djorjevic is happy of the result, but i'm waiting to see by myself ;)

Can we expect a visual update?

after healing ;)

I would like an update on how things are going as well as the password to your post correction zip file. I am trying to find a surgeon atm and while suporn was on my list I think his secretary just took him off the list for me. I can't believe people think that their poor attitude and lack of professionalism in such a small community won't spread and effect their business. As a business owner who works closely with customers I can tell you I would be horrified if anyone talked about me the way you did sophie, her attitude is completely unacceptable.

Quote from: Nickie_66 on November 08, 2011, 12:17:51 AM
after healing ;)

Tap.. tap... tap.

Still waiting to here back from you, is everything going okay?

i still have stitches folks, let's wait till they're gone, at least ;)


yep it's quite weird to think that the surgery was just a month ago,
last year, this short after surgery, i was just back home, and barely walking, that new operation was as long, and more or less the same stuff has been touched, so i guess i'm better...

but i haven't got enough courage to dilate again, we'll see how it goes when i do :S


so anyway if you want news, i have some:

a few weeks ago, Dr Miro sent me a mail asking for some pictures so he can check my healing ( quite nice care :) ) and as i took them, i figured something was wrong, i had a little necrosis on one lip :/

long story short i have consulted a local surgeon who told me that the necrosed tissues have taken away a few stitches, and he gave me some prescription for bandages, so i did that stuff i had to do , and 2 weeks later, the necrosis was all gone :)


... but the missing stitches still worry me, as of course it left an open scar, it healed but i must admit that i wonder what is actually left of my left labia minora; so i sent more pics to Dr Miro, and he told me that it looked okay after one month ( i'm slow to de-swell anyway) and that we'll see in 3 month for an eventual aesthetic correction ( apart from the worrying lip i still have way too much scrotum skin on my labia minora... ) with local anaesthesy, but still in belgrade

the plane ticket is cheap but it's a bit of a bummer anyway


so, i'm still waiting, trying to be patient, the hardest is waiting ...

Hello everybody!  :)
I underwent surgery with dr. Suporn and now I'm one and half year post-op. Nickie, please, I would like to see your post-op pictures 'cause I'm afraid to have a problem a bit similar to the one you had... but I can't guess the password! ;D ...and I can't even send you a pm (don't know why).
Thanks a lot and best wishes for your actual recovery
A 

I too would like to see what's up with the photos.  I'm a Bowers girl that didn't turn out so great and I'm wondering if anything can be done to fix my shortcomings.
I don't know for sure but when I look at my stuff, to me, it looks ugly as hell, like some alien thing.  I don't think it even resembles a vagina.
Maybe it does and I'm just too self critical.  I just don't know.

But right now my big boggle in life is trying to find out if my results are acceptable in at least appearance (I don't think so) and if things can be fixed, appearance, depth, and diameter.
So this subject is important to me..  I've tried to guess the PW but I guess I'm not all that good at guessing..  :(

I'm wondering too if this CAPTHCA thing is on every single post or if that goes away after X number of posts?
I've never seen a board that makes you do that every single individual post and edit...   ???

Interesting to hear Suporn's work not up to standard?  This has been the impression in Uk for a year or two and was thought to be due to him winding down for retiring?

Few thoughts on my own London surgery in January 2011.   
I got the granularity but surgeon said that was normal.  Still feels grainy sometimes after dilating with the big one as the hole through the bone is small.
I got the pulled stitches but they all healed eventually.
Mine looks OK now it has all settled down.
I dilate twice a day so Nickie you need to dilate or else!

Sometimes I can feel it relaxing of its own accord which is kinda nice.

Generally on waking it is locked tight so it's definitely a working woman's version I got.

Aldebaram and Sandy: the forum will turn normal after you get 15 posts ;)



lilacwoman: yup i know, i was dilating every 2 or 3 days before that last surgery fortunately i had  8 inches cepth and i'm lesbian, so it's not tragic if i lose a bit, but yeah i'll try to build up some courage and go back to careful dilations


Aldebaran: you got the password now, so have you got the same result?

Quote from: Nickie_66 on December 13, 2011, 03:51:31 AM
Aldebaram and Sandy: the forum will turn normal after you get 15 posts ;)



lilacwoman: yup i know, i was dilating every 2 or 3 days before that last surgery fortunately i had  8 inches cepth and i'm lesbian, so it's not tragic if i lose a bit, but yeah i'll try to build up some courage and go back to careful dilations


Aldebaran: you got the password now, so have you got the same result?

Thank you..  :)

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that your results don't look anything like mine.  Yours actually looks closer to normal than mine.  Mine just is plain old butt ugly.
But from your description, it seems you do have some fonky stuff going on down there and I would be looking for someone to make it right.
If it bothers you then it needs to be fixed.  Just because the doctor says "Oh, looky very good" doesn't make it so.

I don't know.  And being that he's half a world away, that really makes it a b**ch...   :-\

Hey Nickie :) , I am happy to hear you have had your situation corrected :) , i wish you the best and like Lilac said DILATE DILATE DILATE  dont wait to long mama xoxoxo

has anyone ever seen any research about the surgery problems caused by penises being in different place from person to person?

are all penises exactly level with the hole through the pubic bone?

surgeon has to cut all the penis away but what if a penis is a little higher so that he has difficulty making a vagina directly level with the hole without having a csra from cutting away a higher up penis?

most of the time the general anatomy is the same  internally suspended by ligaments from pubis of (the) pelvic bone.
Internally it can and does vary with conditions but dermal tissue (...) is generally what makes or breaks what the surgeon can make due with materials wise.

or in other words, I'm not aware of research into penile differences in persons seeking reassignment surgery.

Quote from: Nickie_66 on December 13, 2011, 03:51:31 AM
Aldebaram and Sandy: the forum will turn normal after you get 15 posts ;)

[...]

Aldebaran: you got the password now, so have you got the same result?

Nickie, thank you for the info about the rules of this forum :)

No, I've got a different problem. I have my labia minora hardening, swelling and shuting when touched by just a bit cold fingers or cold air or water. In those situation opening labia minora and baring clitoris become impossible. The reaction is very similar to the tipical one of scrotum

Best wishes
A

Quote from: Aldebaran on December 14, 2011, 06:36:27 PM
No, I've got a different problem. I have my labia minora hardening, swelling and shuting when touched by just a bit cold fingers or cold air or water. In those situation opening labia minora and baring clitoris become impossible. The reaction is very similar to the tipical one of scrotum

Scrotum? I was under the impression that Suporn uses the foreskin for the labia minora? A bit of a personal question, but were you circumcised?

Quote from: Joandelynn on December 15, 2011, 02:53:32 AM
Scrotum? I was under the impression that Suporn uses the foreskin for the labia minora? A bit of a personal question, but were you circumcised?

He uses foreskin only for the inner surface of labia minora (otherwise it would'nt be enough). I was'nt circumcised.

So... Everyone going swell  Nickki?

I haven't seen you around on teh interwebs in a while.

Just checking in.

Every surgeon has their bad days and good days. I had an amazing (an understatement) experience with Suporn, I wish people realize that every doctor will have patients who do not recover as planned. I still keep in contact with 10 girls who were in Chonburi with me when we had our surgeries (2 years ago)...they were all doing fine, and the last time i checked our results...we were all very happy and pleased. I'm not implying that your situation is based upon your doing, I just want to remind people not to overlook Suporn and miss out on an amazing experience that will change their lives!

Edit: The only complaint I have so far is the oversensitivity of my clitoris, this is not too bad but on some days...when my fiance is rubbing my clitoris rigorously...it can become too much to handle. However this was only the case when I was not sufficiently turned on enough and therefore there was no lubrication.

Another complaint is the price of the actual SRS, plane ticket, hotel fees (around 50 US dollars a night for around 3.5 weeks), food, transportation, boredom (Chonburi pretty much sucks and is an hour away from Bangkok), etc. ....everything added up to be a total of $20,000

Quote from: Guantanamera on January 08, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
So... Everyone going swell  Nickki?

I haven't seen you around on teh interwebs in a while.

Just checking in.

teh interwebs is vast :D


KillBelle: the same "experience that changes lives" is available with any good SRS surgeon :p

(and honestly, i have seen some people being very pleased by atrocious results made from total butchers ... so self-satisfaction shall never be a judgement criteria to me  :police: )

personally, if i had to do it again with the knowledge i have now, i'd chose Chettawut, as he has reduced on the amount of weekly surgeries and therefore takes twice more time for patient care ..


anyway , like i already said, i'm waiting till late febuary to consider a correction with Miro, so more than one month to go

i still have some stitches, and i figure this corrective surgery was indeed as big as the original one, as i'm still not comfortable nearly 3 month later, this morning for example i tried to have a walk, but i began to feel some pain after 15 minutes only so i'm back to taking things slow

so yep, i'm not so much on the TG interwebs, i'm playing Xenoblade Chronicles instead, trying to not focus on my crotch area during this never ending healing to not "throw salt on the wounds" if i may say :p


but i'm still there ;)

Ugh very sorry to read about your situation, hopefully things are going well with the healing.

This Sophie seems like a serious liability. It sounds like she's on a bit of a weird powertrip. It's making me worry about my choice of surgeon. How could anyone predict that this would happen? And so much for "lifetime guarantee"...

Quote from: Phoebe on February 02, 2012, 02:08:59 AM
Ugh very sorry to read about your situation, hopefully things are going well with the healing.

This Sophie seems like a serious liability. It sounds like she's on a bit of a weird powertrip.

Just like her predecessor 'dr' Kim

Quote from: Dahlia on February 02, 2012, 11:43:15 AM
Just like her predecessor 'dr' Kim

si what's the thing with dr kim?

because i know someone who has talked to both kim and sophie, and tells me that kim was more professional, but i don't know details by myself...

has she messed some stuff up ?

Sorry if this was already covered earlier in the thread, but how long did you stay in Thailand?

I'm trying to work out ways to mitigate the worst possible outcomes on the offchance something unpredictable and bad happens. If you have any advice on that front I'd be very interested to hear it.

Quote from: Phoebe on February 03, 2012, 01:02:56 AM
Sorry if this was already covered earlier in the thread, but how long did you stay in Thailand?

for my first surgery, about 36 days total, but i was a bit early before the surgery (some people land in thailane the day before, that feels super short to me :o )  so about 33 days postop :)


the longer you stay, the most chances you have to successfully fix some healing issues before to go back (there could always be some necrosis or broken stitches to fix after some healing time, happened to me as well )

but i think it's over the top to book more than 40 days if you only have the SRS, as if you're fine after 30 days, you won't find anything to touch in the next 6 month at least ;)

hi nickie
im looking to have surgery with dr. suporn but after reading ur story i kinda changed my mind.
i'd really like to see the pics of what he did to u, but i can't guess the password.

thanks

I haven't had surgery yet but my communications with Sophie definitely feel like walking on eggshells. I feel that if you need post-op care advice from the surgeon you absolutely must stipulate to her that you want the surgeon's professional opinion and when you receive a response, ask her to confirm the response is from the surgeon. There's definitely some sort of weird ego trip going on. :s

Quote from: mouse on February 28, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
Just like you I turned up in Thailand after being assured that a procedure could be undertaken by Sophie only for Dr Suporn to take one look and say he could not do it. In this case it was to create a posterior commissure.

well wow,
considering the number of patients he sees, how many times does that happen in a year?  :o

have you told Suporn about your opinion on communication with her ?

i have tried to send a FAX to the clinic, but no answer, i thought that maybe because i'm the only one to try addressing those issues i'm perceived as some crybaby that must be ignored, dunno ...



anyway for those who asked pics of the post serbian correction, i'll take some soon, as it's been 5 month now, 3 month after my little complication, as requested by Djordjevic

(and once again, i really like when the surgeon himself asks for your pics, and then comments them himself....  :angel: )

well i'll actually be nicer than you about that contract and commitment thing:



everything should go fine if you just have the standard SRS, as in this case, Sophie will only manage bookings, and you will have everything you'd expect ,

if you need anything more, then things can go wrong, if you asked something to sophie before arriving in thailand, then the clinic will not be aware of it and even ask you to show them sophie's mails, if you need a correction, there again the clinic will not know anything else than your planned surgery date, and perhaps some vague indications, no matter how many pictures you sent or how many specific details you mentionned


and that's about it, those who have a nice result right away without the need of correction will have the happiest experience indeed :)

those who come back for a SMALL and basic correction will also have a totally positive experience, i think


however , keep in mind that results greatly varies among patients, and if i learned anything, it would be that Suporn isn't too comfortable if you have too much material, other than that, if you properly do your postop care, it's all smooth

Dear , I'd like to see your pics as well( and i am dumb enough not to guess the password!Could you please send me a Pm with it? I had SRS with Dr Suporn in August 2010, and a revision due to some granulation last December..things seem to have slightly improved,but I have some weird things happening down there . One of my labia is VERY swollen,and very sensitive. That makes all the vagina "hard" when I walk too much,or I wear some tight panties( let alone wearing jeans,and tights). Everything is quite "hard" ,the entrance of the vagina, the "vault" of the entrance,and the urethra meatus. Also, I have difficulties in emptying my bladder. I do not know what to do, as I do not want to come back to Chonburi, especially if Dr Suporn can't do anything about it. I just hope that it will settle down a bit
thanks
Lamy

Thanks ;) and please keep us updated :)

No problem, i will ;)

Dear Nickie,
I do not manage to guess the password to see your photos.
I had chosen Suporn but now I have a doubt.
Can you send him to me in MP.
Thank you, Kelly

Thank you Nickie,
I am sorry for your result of srs. One shall say that there is an excess of skin when you sit.
I hope that you will be happy of the result of your retouch.

so here are my news,

i sent pics to Miro 2 weeks ago, he just told me to keep waiting a few month and keep him updated
and actually since i took those pics, the swelling has nicely reduced, it's far from good yet but it's on the way

so right now i'm spending a month in Japan, i'll take updated pics when i'm back, as i guess it'll look quite better by then  :)

wow, its hard to belive that's suporns work, when a lot of people talk wonders about him

I don't know whether this information is useful for any readers of this thread, but Dr. Miroslav Djordjevic (a.k.a. Dr Miro) is in the United States every few months. Sometimes he is presenting at conferences, and has slides of his work. But often he's able to do consults in person with patients or potential patients.

Also, WPATH.org has an ethics committee. If your current surgeon is requesting medical records from a previous surgeon, yet not receiving appropriate professional response, that is affecting your care. You may wish to contact the WPATH office to see how to at least register your complaint with them. If Suporn were in the US, withholding records might be a HIPAA violation, but he isn't. And it's not easy to find on his site what professional organizations he does belong to, to see what ethical codes he is bound by. (He, or his office, as it seems like his staff is clearly acting in an unprofessional manner, regardless of outcome.)

Ok got it. So do you know what exactly caused this problem, it was stated that it had to do with the method of grafting. But what exactly caused it, do you even know?

hi again, i'm back from my hollidays!  :)

and wow, lots of news in this topic :p


so i'll reply :

Quote
Ive been reading all the comments with great interest and with great sadness. I can understand your frustration with your results but you are doing Dr Suporn a great injustice as well as other pre op girls who is trying to sort through all the info of choosing a surgeon. Some of the girls could have benefited from dr Suporn's technique and would have had great results but with the slander, they'll never know.

well let's make it simple:

what happened to me might also happen to ANYBODY ELSE as i have not any clue of why it happened to me, nobody in the clinic would tell

then i'm not forcing anybody to avoid any surgeon, i'm just saying that, this happened,

and nothing else, so it's all up to you to make your own conclusions, both on the outcome and the management of my case , those are pretty useful informations i think, that you know that, IF something goes wrong, then here's how the warranty works...

if you're talking about injustice, do you think Suporn Clinic has done ME any justice?



THEN for my news, i'm still swollen (yeah it's becoming quite long..... ) but i think it's getting a bit better appearance-wise, but i'm still some months from anything definitive.... but i could take pics for those who want to have an idea of Miro's work



and more of my news, someone sent me an e-mail from thailand, someone who met both Chett and Suporn, in order to make the good decision, and she asked about me
here's what she says:

Quote
the negative thing is : he didn't hear anything about your case.... saying (several times) that he didn't know your case. i took the time to explain that you came twice for a really bad result, that you lived in suffering, both physical and pschological, a really bad esthetic result, that you needed to find another surgeon after the 2nd time, and that he couldn't contact the clinic... but he did an "asian evade", he looked pretty neutral but i felt a bit of embarassment anyway... he even said "we are losing 10 minutes talking about a case that isn't yours" (because i insisted)... then he told me his usual thing that none can guarantee a zero risk in surgery and that i could come back for corrections as many times as necessary, that he had done over 2000 surgies and that everything would be totally find, the only thing that would depend of me would be doing my dilations and not worry too much, because those who worry have more risks, for example those who worry a lot about infections have more risks to get one
i didn't dare ask more about Sophie and the Michelle S. case.... that's too bad

so , did my aesthetic problem happen because i was too much worried about having too much penis left?

about blaming someone, well first i didn't blame suporn, because i thought maybe something in me made my result happen.....

but if there was such a peculiar thing in me, then why didn't Suporn tell me about it, and why  didn't Dr Miro find it ?


i don't blame Dr Suporn at all for not correcting it when i went back to thailand, i totaly understand that he's not qualified for that, i totally blame Sophie for making me go there for nothing,


BUT i still think that the amount of corporal bodies left is nothing else than a mistake (Miro removed no less than 8 centimeters, or 3 inches, how can you get wrong by that much ? )
and i really wish i could have had any kind of explanation  from the clinic, but i have never had anything like that, the only thing they told me was "it might get better over time" but now i know that no, there are no chance that 8 centimeters of bent corpora cavernosa (Miro even provided me pictures of it :p ) can ever get better

so i guess i'll never know what happened, and i do wonder how many other people have had such issues without saying anything publicly ?



so i am one, and i don't see any reason to hide just because most people are happy, i know that they are happy, actually if suporn had a bad reputation, i would not even need to tell my story, would i ?

Hello, i am from austria and i have searched for informations about dr suporn because a friend of mine said he is the best for srs.

Now i hit that thread and read one of the first posts and i am really scared. Should i spent all my money for "nothing"? I can't say it because i did not saw the photos (nickie would you please so kind and send me the passwort for the archieve? :) ).

i thought that Suporn makes no mistakes (yes stupid idea, but i read only about successfull operations), and now i am a little bit scared.

Sorry for my bad english :/

well there is some risk with any surgeon , but for now i'd recommend Chettawut, not because he's "better" or anything, as they both have a similar level of experience;
but because he is much less overbooked at the moment, since he slowed down on surgeries and has his own block he is more available to each patient


i think Suporn can only come back to his "number one" position after he does the same things, so his clinic look less than the mass production factory it is now...

thx for the password and your opinion about this :) i will consider that and include it in my researches.

Every surgeon has failures.  Sometimes it isn't even their failure, it could be lack of donor material or many different things.

Definitely do your own investigation, make up your mind from all the available information.

if chett wasn't included in your researches, then yes, you surely need to consider him, as suporn and him are the 2 famous ones that make the trip to thailand worth doing for us  ;)



ps: sarah louise: there is no "a" in definitely  (http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/)

I am sorry you went through this Nikki, but I am glad you shared your experience. I had decided on Suporn a long time ago but as I may soon have funds to get surgery I am reëvaluating.  :-\
I have not had great interaction with Sophie either. She appears to be the one running admin@supornclinic.com. I may go else where afterall.
I still wish it was possible to have a full female reproductive system  :P, but I would be much happier at least being able to have sex as a woman.  ;)

Quote from: Valentine on September 19, 2012, 09:56:07 AMShe appears to be the one running admin@supornclinic.com.

she does indeed , i have also tried to contact the clinic differently, to no avail. 

ive heard it a lot on this forum that sophie is difficult or something.... i had a perfectly opposite experience with her from the beginning. In fact, check this out: I had booked my surgery for Aug 2 (six weeks ago, but I booked in Feb or so). A few days later, it turned out that their staff holiday was on that day, so Sophie politely told me she had moved it to July 29 or so. Fine, what do I care? Then a few months later, I bought my plane tickets, nonrefundable x 2. For guess which date? Yup, Aug 2. When I sent her the happy itinerary, she wrote back, very politely, I'm pleased you got your ticket, but we agreed on the 29th, so that might be a problem. Yup again. After a few days of working on my behalf, she got the rest of the girls, and doctor suporn himself, to delay the big holiday by one to do my SRS on the 2nd. The morning of the 3rd, Dr Suporn checks up on me at six am, then veritably sprinted out of the room. Why? I asked the nurse.... because the big buddhist holiday he was supposed to be celebrating in chiang mai with his wife and family, the one he had partially missed to get my SRS done the day before.

Sophie is very nice. Just need to show respect and politeness (a big thing in thai culture), and she's a lamb.

Quote from: GendrKweer on September 19, 2012, 10:51:07 AMa big thing in thai culture

she's not thai

(she's not even in thailand at all.. )

Quote from: Nickie_66 on September 19, 2012, 11:10:33 AM
she's not thai

(she's not even in thailand at all.. )

Interesting! Nevertheless, that was my experience.... how do you know??

i happen to know some people who have actually met her :D

I'm not going to Mr Porn anymore. This is a karma due to his abuse of his prices as well. I'm not paying $16,000 to have another 'bulge' you know...

@Nickie_66

I'd love to see your result after Dr. Miro, as well as pictures after revision (i was not able to guess the password  ???)

And what is your overall impression of Miro now that you have two of them to compare?

well for the after revision, i'm still sloooooowly unswelling, touching the area so deeply a third time makes it quite slower to heal ..... :/

Quote from: Mari on September 20, 2012, 06:27:34 AM
And what is your overall impression of Miro now that you have two of them to compare?

i can't really compare as i haven't had the initial surgery with both ;)
also Miro does a penile-inversion-styled SRS

all i can say for now is the corpora cavernosa removal is a success indeed :)

but the labiaplasty has been pretty destructive :/ (third surgery, necrosis on one side... ) it may be that it already looks a bit better than before but i have some issues so it's kind of a mixed result, i have a good overlall impression of Miro, but they were obviously kind of overwhelmed with my swelling, and i'm not sure yet but i'd say he got a bit too quantitative with his cutting tools :p

Oh i haven't realized you have had total of 3 surgeries :(. I hope you heal well  :)

Quote from: vivienne on September 20, 2012, 07:48:47 AM
And I was going to ask dr. Suporn if I could have a 'phatty', but after having read all this I'm affraid that that will make me end up with a mega bulge  ???

well, a bulge is one thing, but in my case i had 7 centimeters of , to quote Dr Miro, "penis"

for imperial people that is nearly 3 inches :p

wow, i am stunned!

Miro didn't tell me that he already had such a similar case :o

thank you, i hope too :)

for now, one year after my serbian correction, i have nearly no sensatory issues anymore so it's more comfortable , some zones are still numb but at least i don't have unexplained pain :)

despite the year that separates me from the surgery, i'm still swollen in the clitoris area, so still being patient ...

how long ago was yours?




edit: just having a nostalgic memory of Sophie's mails ...

QuoteI suggest that you publish your result picture on the internet – tell everyone what depth you have, describe somewhat more honestly than hitherto what aftercare you received, and then see how many sympathise with you, and how many agree that your operation is a "Suporn Failure". I rather imagine it will have the opposite effect to what you wanted, and a very large number of people will be very eager and envious to have an outcome as good as yours.

if we are, as we seem to be, several patients to have the same problem, this attitude becomes more than a mistake, if the clinic knows how many we really are, it's a total fraud ...

Quote from: Georgia on November 26, 2012, 06:07:38 PMThe good news, now we are finally Girls, the other Suporn Daughters not yet. 

i wouldn't go that far personally, i can't call myself more of a girl than the happy patients of any surgeon, that would sound a bit cheap of me

as for sophie, i remember her saying to someone "i am the head of the clinic, not Dr Suporn", i feel it says a lot about the character ..
but it is true that by keeping her there, he is responsible of her , whoever is the real manager, the clinic is guilty


that's a shame because other than the corpora cavernosa problem, suporn is obviously a good surgeon, i mean the stitches are really great, the scrotum inversion and labia minora is well done, sensation is excellent, but it has to be ruined by the erectile mess behind the clitoris, that's a real shame :/

It's funny but I had a very successful op with Suporn, and even I feel nervous after reading this topic!!

In my case, I kind of like that there is some erectile tissue there and it has only enhanced the results - means that when I get all hot and moist things get a little swollen like a lot of women do.

What would be interesting would be to get some statistics together on post-op satisfaction across a range of surgeons. I'm not sure how you could ever get an unbiased survey though. Most people you see online post-op are likely to be those that have continuing issues with being trans/transitioning etc... people who come out the other end rather satisfied with the whole shebang tend to ride off into the sunset. That is my impression anyway.

So is Suporn a good surgeon? I think he is, but I can only speak about my results and the results of the 20 other women I saw while I was there. None of my friends from that time have come out of it unhappy with their results, they all ended up with rather lovely muffs. The aftercare was amazing, the staff amazing. Suporn was very diligent and made adjustments as needed and he seems to weigh up the patients wish with what he considers safe (obviously taking into account his own expertise).

It is kind of sucky, but sometimes surgeries don't go according to plan. I think if his work was not that good, you would be hearing about it a lot more than you do. But damn it would be so agonizing and heart breaking to go through all this, after having so much riding on it to eliminate our dysphoria. I can only give you massive hugs, such incredibly brave strong women.

well of course there are happy patients, or else his business would have already gone down long ago,


the thing is, as far as i have understood, his technique can't handle the most "well-endowed" patients.... those who have an average or asian genitalia have no problem, but the big ones still have too much erectile tissue causing pain and discomfort...

so the lesson is: do NOT even think about suporn if you have a big package


then the problem is wether the clinic is aware of it or not, i mean if they are, they should just make sure the patients fits their criterias and if not, just avoid creating the erectile problem ... but they don't...

notice how i used conditionnal in my sentence ;)

i'm not accusing, i'm conjecturing an hypothesis  :)

Quote from: Nickie_66 on November 27, 2012, 02:20:09 AM
i remember her saying to someone "i am the head of the clinic, not Dr Suporn", i feel it says a lot about the character ..
but it is true that by keeping her there, he is responsible of her , whoever is the real manager, the clinic is guilty

sophie sounds like her predecessor 'dr' Kim...a vile dictator  about whom dr Suporn had no clue about her 'behaviour' towards his patients.
He fired her when he found out about her terrible behaviour.

She was also responsible for the ridiculous, steep price increases.

Dr Suporn only does the surgeries, the clinic/sophie does 'the rest'.

Quote from: Georgia on November 27, 2012, 07:31:24 AM
I don't know Kim, but I can guarantee you that Suporn is fully aware of what his Business Manager is doing, also of her behaviour. I was telling him and he is backing her.

Yes, after what 'dr'Kim did behind his back.

At least he learned something after 'dr' Kim's harsh dictatorship.

Quote from: Georgia on November 29, 2012, 06:55:23 AM
Are you sure, Baby ?  ??? :o >:-)

Sophie's behaviour is child's play compared to 'dr' Kim's terror reign (behind dr Suporn's back that was)

This so called 'dr' Kim claimed she was a psychologist which she wasn't btw.

Quote from: Dahlia on November 29, 2012, 07:08:24 AM
Sophie's behaviour is child's play compared to 'dr' Kim's terror reign (behind dr Suporn's back that was)

This so called 'dr' Kim claimed she was a psychologist which she wasn't btw.

So relatively speaking Sophie is an upgrade? Imagine how excited Suporn would be if he hired an emotionally stable and reasonable person. I learned very quickly how free Sophie is with her opinions and temper and her utter lack of professionalism. At least she hasn't claimed to be psychologist though.

i love how she keeps admitting doing medical diagnostic without having any medical diploma... try doing that in any other country, and what's more, she can do it from pictures, that is really brillant isn't it, she should teach in medical schools! :D


she's even better than suporn, as she did say that my problem could be fixed easily, so when i took my plane ticket and went to see suporn and he figure he couldn't fix it, perhaps sophie should have fixed it by herself then! ;)



what i see is that, by holding back information, there is no way for Suporn or anybody else to know what is wrong with her..... right now, i could name two people this year who went to chett because they were not trusting her words... but i'm sure suporn knows that so well,

when she says:
"The Clinic gets told everything by me that it needs to know"

i read "The clinic gets told everything that wouldn't get me in trouble"  that's the most convenient job in the whole world! :D

well obviously, the only person who will ever reply to you is not a doctor, so you have no medical contact whatsoever,

but you do get a very minor (locally-anesthetized) revision on-site , tho it's so light i guess you could get the same one done by any surgeon in your country for cheaper than the flight+hotel cost


so basically, the lifetime warranty is a lie :

your most serious problems will be ignored, and the mail person will make fun of you if you dare complain about anything


BUT i believe that by exposing those mails and not keeping silent, we can achieve big !


(unlike that certain person who went to thai court against suporn, and then removed every trace of it on internet after , i suppose, getting "some arrangement" with the clinic perhaps ? .. )

Hi,
I just had surgery with Dr.Suporn about two weeks ago and I fear I've gotten a similar result as you.

Please PM me the .rar password so I can compare
Hopefully while I'm still in Thailand and can talk with him about it.

The _last_ thing I want is to have gotten SRS and have something that still looks like a dick.
That is a nightmare scenario. 

Yeah, mine sticks out somewhat like your photo but not quite as bad and I'm only 2 weeks postop so the swelling is going down.
Seems the curse of being "well endowed" can continue to haunt you even after SRS.
If in a year's time I still feel hatred toward that bulge and  excessive erectile tissue then I'll go with the Dr Djodjevic for a correction.

Quote from: calixx on December 14, 2012, 06:12:15 AM
Yeah, mine sticks out somewhat like your photo but not quite as bad and I'm only 2 weeks postop so the swelling is going down.
Seems the curse of being "well endowed" can continue to haunt you even after SRS.
If in a year's time I still feel hatred toward that bulge and  excessive erectile tissue then I'll go with the Dr Djodjevic for a correction.

Yikes, after only two weeks, don't even think about comparing/worrying etc.... I had suporn surgery four months ago, and there is still a bit of residual swelling. I'm so far very happy, so don't be too nervous yet. Wait at least six months before worrying, I'd say. Cheers and congrats!

Quote from: calixx on December 14, 2012, 06:12:15 AM
Yeah, mine sticks out somewhat like your photo but not quite as bad and I'm only 2 weeks postop so the swelling is going down.
Seems the curse of being "well endowed" can continue to haunt you even after SRS.
If in a year's time I still feel hatred toward that bulge and  excessive erectile tissue then I'll go with the Dr Djodjevic for a correction.

I happen to know that there girls back for small revisions there at the moment who might be able to show you what things looked like one week after surgery and what they look like a year later. You just need to ask around.

Even Dr. Suporn told me I'd have something that looked vaguely penis-like down there until the swelling wore down. Lucky for me I never had seven inches of anything to work with anyway.

This thread has been very informational~ not to scare me away from  one doctor or another but simply because if I suffer complications I have an idea of where I should look!

I am a little curious about the "there was almost an entire penis" left though.  That seems insane.  Or is this par for SRS?

Quote from: Mademoiselle Petite on December 28, 2012, 07:34:15 PM
found another failure.
ask me for the url

Can you send this url to my mail?

Thanks!

Quote from: Rita on December 17, 2012, 09:30:24 AM
This thread has been very informational~ not to scare me away from  one doctor or another but simply because if I suffer complications I have an idea of where I should look!

I am a little curious about the "there was almost an entire penis" left though.  That seems insane.  Or is this par for SRS?

Personally I don't feel that the idea that there's a "penis" left over is really very fair. Since natal females do indeed have erectile tissue and describe a feeling of erection when aroused, it makes sense to me that any doctor who is trying to simulate as real an equivalent as possible would leave some erectile tissue in tact so that the sensation and appearance is appropriate. Personally I see this as a benefit and not something to be feared. It is one of the reasons I personally have chosen Dr. Suporn (though there were other top surgeons who I also strongly considered and feel do great work).

Technically speaking, every piece of tissue, nerve, and muscle that is re-purposed to create a neo-vagina is made of "penis" material. I don't feel it's fair to call Dr. Suporn's neo-vagina a "penis" any more than any other surgeon. They are all re-purposing the same penile tissues after all. I personally appreciate that Suporn tries to create a neo-vagina that mimics female genitalia as closely as he possibly can.

While I disagree with her description, I do believe that the girl who felt that she had too much erectile tissues left over that caused her pain had a very valid complication; one that I hope I don't experience. I have a great deal of empathy for her case honestly (and the other girl with a similar issue), and I am so glad both were able to get the complication resolved. I have read those stories with great interest. I personally know of one other Suporn girl who also said that she felt that the erection feeling she got was too intense - she got this revised on a subsequent visit to Thailand when she had another procedure done and now says that everything works exactly as it should and the feeling is now entirely appropriate.

But I do personally feel that labeling any Suporn neo-vagina a "penis" is inappropriate and unfair since every neo-vagina is created using these tissues.

Well... I went to Suporn and my boobs dropped over a year to where my nipples were on top of the implant and my nose grew huge over six months. I had them both revised in the US. The breasts weren't really a problem surgery. The nose revision was extremely rough. The doctor was a very well known Beverly Hills surgeon for many celebrities and he told me he had never seen such bad scarring from a nose job.

Quote from: Dorothy.Amos on January 05, 2013, 08:50:28 PMiand my nose grew huge over six months. and he told me he had never seen such bad scarring from a nose job.

How can that happen? Cartilage overgrowth?

I don't like asian nosejobs on caucasians anyway; too scooped out, too fake looking...because of the unnatural upturned nosetip...

I've had a number of complications, but just haven't been able to take the time out to get a correction (it's been 7 years).  For example, my clitoral hood prevents it from being  completely uncovered and I also have some problems inside.  Not sure how much engorgement there is supposed to be in that area, but a lot of blood definitely goes to the area around the clitoris.

Quote from: Flan on October 31, 2011, 02:12:33 AM
Suporn is a Thai surgeon, the surgeons who perform reassignment in China/Taiwan are pretty secretive of their work (in the sense of visibility to western trans people).

(I have a couple names but haven't really confirmed they are in a gender identity program in practitioner side)

This might be because of the differences in medical systems. In China at least, all best SRS doctors work for major hospitals, and private clinics are not popular in China. I believe it should be a similar case in TW. Therefore, almost no doctor make a name for themselves. People only know the hospital they work for. In addition, as these hospitals are public ones, they never make advertisements, not to mention overseas advertisements.
It is pretty well known in the Chinese TS community that the Shanghai 411 hospital and Changzheng hospital do a pretty good jod, and that they are really cheap -- about $5000 for results not bad compared with that of most Tailand clinics, because they are public funded. Of course they are in no compare with a few world-top surgeons, but there are always people who don't have a high income and need to be saved from suicidal, depression, etc., or who do not expect frequent intercourse (lesbians, seniors etc.).

Does anyone know if she's still giving out the password for the files?

Quote from: summerbreeze on April 13, 2013, 11:43:36 AM
You don't need any. It's a medical website from Serbia. You just have to promise that you're 18+.

What do you mean?  I downloaded a zip file with some password encrypted images...

Quote from: Nickie_66 on October 09, 2011, 09:55:52 AM

let's be serious ....

so to anyone who really want to know: THE RAR FILE containing the pictures IS THERE (http://www.mediafire.com/?yzglfeva1k0lea6) you can ask me the password by MP or mail, or guess it (it's pretty easy ;) )

I found this in reply #14.

Quote from: Nickie_66 on November 27, 2012, 05:03:56 AM
well of course there are happy patients, or else his business would have already gone down long ago,


the thing is, as far as i have understood, his technique can't handle the most "well-endowed" patients.... those who have an average or asian genitalia have no problem, but the big ones still have too much erectile tissue causing pain and discomfort...

so the lesson is: do NOT even think about suporn if you have a big package


then the problem is wether the clinic is aware of it or not, i mean if they are, they should just make sure the patients
fits their criterias and if not, just avoid creating the erectile problem ... but they don't...

What would be considered a big package?

Wow...

I had seriously been settling with Suporn until reading this thread in entirety. Even after the first few pages it seemed to me that this was an exceptional case and not to be concerned. While I am still confidant that Suporn holds his position of popularity for good reason - I am horrified at the behavior of Sophie. This is a SERIOUS issue, if the sole contact to this clinic in Thailand is at the hands of someone who has their own agenda or allows a personal emotional response behave so unprofessionally. It is disgusting that a client could be advised to return to thailand for a revision that the surgeon had not confirmed...simply unbelievable...and for her to not claim responsibility in the mishandling of that drama is horrifying. That being said - I don't know how the OP originally handled this problem, if she was behaving unreasonably - it still would not justify an unprofessional response, but may offer some explanation to it? I would not suggest that is the case, and reading her words she seems very level headed and grateful and honest to me - so I suspect this is just a traumatic reality of the management staff at Suporn's clinic...

My penis is 7 inches or so when erect, small when flacid, and hearing that Suporn can not handle well-endowed clients makes me seriously concerned. If I ended up with one of these botched sex change operations where my genitalia is a bloody mess of protruding stumps I would go insane. I was looking at the work of the OP's revision and that photo of her post-revision surgery at belgrade is out of control...I do not mean to be critical but that result has me shaking in my boots. I recognize that it was an immediate post-op picture, that it was with a different surgeon than suporn, and that it was done to revise a horrible mistake of suporns - I just do not understand how there can be such a huge difference between results for some people.

I am now seriously considering staying in the US for surgery, not because I doubt the services necessarily elsewhere, but because the idea of emailing a void called sophie on the other side of the planet to try and fix a botched operation sounds like a nightmare already - without the anticipated sass factor, shaming, and rejection of her response. Seeing as I am a well endowed client, I seriously think I need to find a surgeon who at least acknowledges the differences in penis size for their surgery - does suporn do this anywhere? does he or his clinic ever discuss large penis size for his technique?

I am looking toward Christine Mcginn...wow what an amazing and surprising disappointment. I don't want to jump the gun too quickly and rely on this thread as the sole force in mydecision, I will continue to research and hopefully get some mroe info from those who are reading this response.

Oh and to those who can not find the photos they are available here: http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com/mtf_surgery_detail.php?Vaginoplasty-re-do-5 (http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com/mtf_surgery_detail.php?Vaginoplasty-re-do-5)

case 2 is the OP

I have to chime in here again, being a Suporn girl myself... Sophie has been nothing but nice, prompt and courteous to me via email, even discussing a possible revision. I have not gone out of my way to be anything but myself, meaning polite, and she has responded in kind. I understand others might have had bad experiences with her, but many more of us I suspect have not. My surgery also went without a hitch, and certainly without a huge stump of any sort. My junk shall we say was about 6.5 inches, not huge, but not tiny either, and the results are fine, with a six inch depth six months post srs.

I second the statements made by GendrKweer. 

I had my SRS in 2010 well before this thread started.  Reading this
thread took my breath away thinking how I would have handled
being in the position of the orginal OP. 

Elaina

Quote from: GendrKweer on April 17, 2013, 09:44:34 AM
I have to chime in here again, being a Suporn girl myself... Sophie has been nothing but nice, prompt and courteous to me via email, even discussing a possible revision. I have not gone out of my way to be anything but myself, meaning polite, and she has responded in kind. I understand others might have had bad experiences with her, but many more of us I suspect have not. My surgery also went without a hitch, and certainly without a huge stump of any sort. My junk shall we say was about 6.5 inches, not huge, but not tiny either, and the results are fine, with a six inch depth six months post srs.

Suporn has many happy SRS patients, but that's not what this thread is about.

This thread is about his failures and Sophies rude behaviour.
Chiming in about how happy you are with your results is a bit like rubbing salt into wounds, isn't it?

No, it isn't rubbing salt anywhere, when some people might get turned off an otherwise very good surgeon and entire SRS experience because of a vocal few people claiming Sophie, out of the blue, was awful to them. It's merely providing some perspective to the undecided about this aspect of Suporn's clinic. Which is, it seems, for most of us, to be a very positive one. And that includes Sophie.

No personal attacks, please. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Bella on April 25, 2013, 12:28:06 PM
This has gone waaaay off course.

Agreed.

There is a thread started to discuss discrimination by doctors, please stay on topic in this thread. Thank you, hugs, Devlyn

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I have booked an SRS with dr Suporn for November and till so far I was very pleased to have Sophie as contact person. Everybody I've met who had an SRS performed by dr Suporn, was very happy with their result.

I believe this complaint is a bit twisted and does not reflect what has really occured. Some persons are never happy or are too high-demanding. It remains surgery, so be realistic.

Compare also his results to other SRS-surgeons and you will see that his complication rate is much lower than in others.

Quote from: Lauratranswoman on April 28, 2013, 09:20:23 AM
I have booked an SRS with dr Suporn for November and till so far I was very pleased to have Sophie as contact person. Everybody I've met who had an SRS performed by dr Suporn, was very happy with their result.

I believe this complaint is a bit twisted and does not reflect what has really occured. Some persons are never happy or are too high-demanding. It remains surgery, so be realistic.

Compare also his results to other SRS-surgeons and you will see that his complication rate is much lower than in others.

There is no reason to doubt the O/P, she is relating her experience, as you are relating yours. Our site is based on mutual respect and understanding. This thread has been problematic, please remain civil with one another. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Cherrie on June 18, 2013, 11:38:07 AM
Didn't you want revisions from suporn?

If you read the posts closely...I can understand why she didn't want to.
Besides that: if a surgeon makes that kind of mistakes during the initial surgery.....I wouldn't trust him to do revision surgery, even if he did for free.

Hello! I hope the OP is still active... I was considering Suporn too, but this has scared me a bit.

Firstly I'm really sorry to hear about your situation.. Glad that it was corrected eventually.

Is this occurrence rare?? Does he tend to have many complications??

Also I can't access those photos because apparently they violate the T&Cs of the hosting website. Can someone help me access them?

Thanks! :)

A number of people have chimed in on this thread and shared their positive experiences with Dr. Suporn. I'm one of them. I had my GCS with him in March of 2013. My parents came along with me and like others have said we were all impressed with Suporn's staff and Dr. Suporn himself. I've posted a "review" video on this site previously, but generally I was extremely happy with surgery and experience. I am also happy with my outcome. I did have some minor complications along the way (limited granulation), and did find dilation to be difficult - however these things are not unique to Suporn and are just a feature of the kind of surgery we endure. Aesthetically my result satisfies me and looks natural, physically everything functions as expected (urination, lubrication, sensation). I am finally at peace with my body.

While I was there I saw many girls who did very well after surgery, and I do know one of the girls that was there at the same time as me that is not satisfied with her result (although admittedly she did go into the surgery with other major prior health issues so was aware of the additional risk and complexity for her case). A large number of post-op Suporn girls keep in touch and support each other through the post-op recovery process in a secret Facebook group that becomes available to you after you are confirmed as booked on Suporn's calendar. This was a great help to me, as was the 35 days I spent in Thailand getting to know the other women there (I still keep in regular contact with some of them who have now become very close friends).

I can unquestionably recommend Suporn as one of the top surgeons in the world, but I think it's really important that no matter who one chooses to come to a level of comfort about the doctor you choose. In my case I knew three other local women who had gone to Suporn, and they were able to help me have confidence in him before I even stepped foot in his office (a good thing because my pre-op consult with him was short). There are a number of top surgeons in the world, each with slightly different approaches - but any of the top surgeons will do their best to give you a good result. I am convinced that if you go into this surgery in good health (psychologically and physically) you have a very high probability of a successful outcome.

Quote from: Adabelle on April 13, 2014, 05:16:12 PM
While I was there I saw many girls who did very well after surgery, and I do know one of the girls that was there at the same time as me that is not satisfied with her result (although admittedly she did go into the surgery with other major prior health issues so was aware of the additional risk and complexity for her case).

May I ask about what that girl's health issues were?

I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you OP .. Dr.Suporn was voted one of the best/top 3 SRS surgeons among us Thai girls (also Dr.Kamol)

I hope everything is ok with you now .. (I didnt read the whole thread)

Quote from: Dahlia on January 06, 2013, 03:22:35 AM
I don't like asian nosejobs on caucasians anyway; too scooped out, too fake looking...because of the unnatural upturned nosetip...

:-\

Quote from: Dorothy.Amos on January 05, 2013, 08:50:28 PMmy nose grew huge over six months. I had them both revised in the US. The breasts weren't really a problem surgery. The nose revision was extremely rough. The doctor was a very well known Beverly Hills surgeon for many celebrities and he told me he had never seen such bad scarring from a nose job.

thats so strange  :o

Quote from: Samantha007 on May 08, 2014, 03:01:57 PM
I ended up going with Bellringer, who has now quit NHS to start his own business. I've had 6" depth despite the fact I was only average in the pants department prior to surgery. Labia doesn't seem as tight as I would've wished but again I am only 6 weeks post op. The only drawback with Bellringer is his arrogance and rudness, and his lack of post op care. His results are very decent.

I would say since there is nothing you could do to solve your issue, like anything else, you just need to learn to love your vagina as it is hun. Otherwise you will be depressed for the rest of your life.

Samantha x

Do you know where I can get any more images of Mr Bellringer's work (or Mr Thomas' as well) apart from on the Dr Anne Lawrence site..? I'm considering one of those two... Would be amazing if you could give me some details about your experience with Mr Bellringer :) I'm assuming this was private and not NHS right..?

Quote from: Nickie_66 on November 27, 2012, 05:03:56 AM

the thing is, as far as i have understood, his technique can't handle the most "well-endowed" patients.... those who have an average or asian genitalia have no problem, but the big ones still have too much erectile tissue causing pain and discomfort...

so the lesson is: do NOT even think about suporn if you have a big package


then the problem is wether the clinic is aware of it or not, i mean if they are, they should just make sure the patients fits their criterias and if not, just avoid creating the erectile problem ... but they don't...

But what is considered as an average or a big package? An erected penis of how many inches/cm?  ??? This would be important to know because I have no idea of how to rate my size down there... it never interested me to compare... but now it seems to become vital  :-\

Jeez, so sorry to hear you had to go through all of that. :(

Quote from: eggy_nog on April 13, 2014, 01:49:11 PM
Hello! I hope the OP is still active... I was considering Suporn too, but this has scared me a bit.

Firstly I'm really sorry to hear about your situation.. Glad that it was corrected eventually.














Is this occurrence rare?? Does he tend to have many complications??

Also I can't access those photos because apparently they violate the T&Cs of the hosting website. Can someone help me access them?

Thanks! :)

I agree. I had done my research and decided on Suporn, but this thread has scared me rigid.

every surgeon haves patients who have complications. it happens but not that often. you read about these and it scares you (your human its normal to be scared about something this big). just try your best not to think about it to much. you should be fine :)

You are welcome to post negative comments but not potential libel.