Today is 3 months post-op and I have to say I have already noticed significant changes to body fat redistribution.
Part of it, I'm sure is because I have not been able to work out so I've just plain put on some fat in general.
But that aside, my butt looks more 'plump', my hips are slightly wider, and my thighs are definitely wider. My old size 5 jeans are not fitting and its mostly from hips/butt/thighs, not really waist at this point. I'll have to go up to a size 7 and I'm not too sad about it haha.
Can only hope for more changes like that...and hope my tummy and waist can go in now that I started back into Zumba =)
Me too! People can't stop commenting on it. Everyone says that the last vestige of "trans woman" disappeared from my body post surgery. Still can't comprehend exactly why the changes happen, but I'm certainly not complaining. :D
Your voice changed too? Wow. I didn't mention it in my own reply because I thought i was going crazy. Some folks have noted that my voice is a lot softer now.
Quote from: Valeriedances on June 15, 2011, 09:46:20 AM
I've experienced this too.
So many people say that it doesnt happen, but I've seen it happen to me. My body, face and even voice is noticeably different now than before SRS. I dont think it is only psychological acceptance but also physical changes. My body is curvier than ever.
I'm one of those for whom it has happened as well, especially the butt. :-\ But I do welcome my fuller breasts and larger nipples. My doctor has commented on how much my face has changed as well. It's like our bodies have finally been liberated, so they are free now to become what they should have been all along. ;)
My BFF said the same thing about my face and voice. but...
When one of the guys asked if I were pregnant.....
11 months and I still cannot exercise properly and the belly fat is driving me nuts.
I see a surgeon for re-work on friday. God I cant wait!
And .. Size 5? Bitch. Sorry. Did I typoe that out loud?
Congrats on being three months post-op!!!! weeeeeeeeeeee! :P
I'm only a week behind ya ...I think I got my hopes up that it would somehow magically be the end of the tough pain and torment.... but hhmmm... we'll see xP
So far I've noticed my nipples and areolas are starting to develop finally.. They didn't do much at all before and I was a little worried but now.. boom! And only after 11 weeks. Also my boobages have recovered from being off hormones and possibly gained some? Hard to tell :P
I'll wait until closer to six months before I look in the mirror properly.. it's too cold here right now >__<
Debra,
I noticed that on your other thread with the picture of the tat in it. I got the large hips anyway and it shows now non-SRS. Now, just to get rid of the belly fat to really bring that out!
Joelene
Quote from: juliemac on June 15, 2011, 09:06:17 PM
And .. Size 5? Bitch. Sorry. Did I typoe that out loud?
LOL
Quote from: Joelene9 on June 16, 2011, 04:10:24 AM
Debra,
I noticed that on your other thread with the picture of the tat in it. I got the large hips anyway and it shows now non-SRS. Now, just to get rid of the belly fat to really bring that out!
Joelene
Yeah darn belly fat drives me crazy. I'm back to zumba though and soon back to yoga =)
Quote from: Muffin on June 16, 2011, 12:55:54 AM
Congrats on being three months post-op!!!! weeeeeeeeeeee! :P
I'm only a week behind ya ...I think I got my hopes up that it would somehow magically be the end of the tough pain and torment.... but hhmmm... we'll see xP
So far I've noticed my nipples and areolas are starting to develop finally.. They didn't do much at all before and I was a little worried but now.. boom! And only after 11 weeks. Also my boobages have recovered from being off hormones and possibly gained some? Hard to tell :P
I'll wait until closer to six months before I look in the mirror properly.. it's too cold here right now >__<
Thanks =) Yeah I have also noticed boob measurements going up half an inch already! =) But the last time I measured was probably months before surgery too.
I'm also about 3 months post-op and I am also seeing a lot of hip development and body fat changes on my lower body. I've got a cute little girl bottom now AND a
nice layer of female fat right around my lower front abdominal area. My weight has been stable during this time and I'm on a good girl diet.
I'm very pleased with my developing figure. I can feel a difference when I walk now, too.
I'm having to buy new slacks and I'm really starting to look good in a skirt. I'm liking all of this.
Quote from: Debra on June 16, 2011, 07:35:00 AMYeah darn belly fat drives me crazy. I'm back to zumba though and soon back to yoga =)
it drives me crazy too :-\ I do yoga classes and I've actually gained a couple kilos, but that could just be because it's winter here. At least we can wear nice tight yoga pants now and they fit so well ;)
Quote from: FairyGirl on June 16, 2011, 06:57:22 PM
At least we can wear nice tight yoga pants now and they fit so well ;)
AMEN to that!!!!!!
So last night I tried on a pair of capris that I used to wear all the time pre-surgery.
They were NOT going to get past my butt ever. I am just so amazed how much my butt/hips have changed since surgery. It's craziness!
Quote from: FairyGirl on June 16, 2011, 06:57:22 PM
I've actually gained a couple kilos, but that could just be because it's winter here. At least we can wear nice tight yoga pants now and they fit so well ;)
I can relate to the extra weight with the onset of winter here. Eating the same and still gone up, come on summer.....
Body changes since SRS, oh yeah, hips wider, waist narrower and facial changes. I could still do with more around the butt but I don't think it will be very likely if judging by my mother.
Can someone explain how SRS can make these changes? I thought such changes were all related to hormones.
Regarding hips, is it just fat re-distribution, or does the pelvis actually widen?
Quote from: Robertina on June 24, 2011, 04:46:02 PM
Can someone explain how SRS can make these changes? I thought such changes were all related to hormones.
Regarding hips, is it just fat re-distribution, or does the pelvis actually widen?
It's my understanding that even though your testosterone can be 'blocked'...it's still running around in your system. So once you get an orchiectomy or SRS, there literally is no more T in your system AT ALL and this apparently can make a big difference in fat redistribution and results in general.
Oh, hooray, there's hope yet!. Less then 1 month since surgery, so I will hope mightily that the next few months bring forth these changes. The rear screams for some additional bulk. I scream for the rest of the improvements mentioned as well.
Susan Kay
Quote from: Debra on June 24, 2011, 05:18:09 PM
It's my understanding that even though your testosterone can be 'blocked'...it's still running around in your system. So once you get an orchiectomy or SRS, there literally is no more T in your system AT ALL and this apparently can make a big difference in fat redistribution and results in general.
I concur with this assessment; there is no part of us left that is male: we are chemically, emotionally, psychologically, and physiologically female. Our brains and our bodies have been liberated and that is exactly how it feels to me. There is nothing now to prevent us from continuing to develop mentally and physically as the women we are. We are, in a very real sense, set free at last.
Yay! (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cosgan.de%2Fimages%2Fkao%2Fmusik%2Fk015.gif&hash=6a654ba19cf3199fb62249f8a572d26e34739db7)
Quote from: FairyGirl on June 25, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
there is no part of us left that is male:
From what I've read of at least brain sex dimorphism our brains (mtf) after at least 3-6months of HRT are approximately 50% male and 50% female due to exposure to testosterone in our earlier lives estrogen can only do so much. As much as we'd like to think that estrogen resets everything in reality we'll always have the past and the damage it has done.
unfortunately.
Sorry just irks me when I see stuff like this :P
Quote from: FairyGirl on June 25, 2011, 08:09:07 PM
I concur with this assessment; there is no part of us left that is male: we are chemically, emotionally, psychologically, and physiologically female. Our brains and our bodies have been liberated and that is exactly how it feels to me. There is nothing now to prevent us from continuing to develop mentally and physically as the women we are. We are, in a very real sense, set free at last.
Yay! (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cosgan.de%2Fimages%2Fkao%2Fmusik%2Fk015.gif&hash=6a654ba19cf3199fb62249f8a572d26e34739db7)
I say, YIPPEEEE, bring it on baby.... ;D and this is also how it feels to me.
Ladies, if you want to get trim and healthy, may I suggest longboarding as an excellent all body work out (well apart from your arms). hee hee.
Serious stuff though, I took a picture today and I'm amazed I managed to convince anyne that i was male. Plus I have my initial consult tomorrow, so by this time tomorrow I'll have a date. Squeeeeeeeee!
Quote from: Gravity's Child on June 27, 2011, 06:01:15 PMPlus I have my initial consult tomorrow, so by this time tomorrow I'll have a date. Squeeeeeeeee!
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Quote from: Gravity's Child on June 27, 2011, 06:01:15 PM
Ladies, if you want to get trim and healthy, may I suggest longboarding as an excellent all body work out (well apart from your arms). hee hee.
Serious stuff though, I took a picture today and I'm amazed I managed to convince anyne that i was male. Plus I have my initial consult tomorrow, so by this time tomorrow I'll have a date. Squeeeeeeeee!
I usually only see guys longboarding but I did see a cute girl longboarding the other day....maybe it was you! hehe
I was just thinking I need to start roller skating or something
Quote from: Muffin on June 16, 2011, 12:55:54 AM
Congrats on being three months post-op!!!! weeeeeeeeeeee! :P
I'm only a week behind ya ...I think I got my hopes up that it would somehow magically be the end of the tough pain and torment.... but hhmmm... we'll see xP
So far I've noticed my nipples and areolas are starting to develop finally.. They didn't do much at all before and I was a little worried but now.. boom! And only after 11 weeks. Also my boobages have recovered from being off hormones and possibly gained some? Hard to tell :P
I'll wait until closer to six months before I look in the mirror properly.. it's too cold here right now >__<
But don't forget that its likely that we did not receive the same amount of testosterone in our mother's womb as cis males, so our brains are probably more physically female than male, right?
Quote from: Robertina on July 01, 2011, 11:13:51 AM
But don't forget that its likely that we did not receive the same amount of testosterone in our mother's womb as cis males, so our brains are probably more physically female than male, right?
there is no hard set answer for this as ....who really knows? I feel that just because perhaps some had less exposure to T in the womb doesn't mean they don't go on to develop in a way that will show normal T levels during and after puberty. Even if they do have lower T levels it's still enough for the brain to develop predominately in a male way simply from Testosterone exposure. Brain development, structurally begins to slow down between 20-25 years of age which is nothing compared to 3-6 months in the womb. Studies on intersex brains would be more interesting when it comes to such questions.
After all these years and what I have gone through and what I have put myself through to reach where I was supposed to be, I remain unconvinced that there are major differences between "male" brains and "female" brains, EXCEPT - people with "male" brains almost, but not quite always, get "male" bodies and hormonal development thus receive "male" stimulus. People with "female" brains almost, but not quite always, get "female" bodies and hormonal development thus receive "female" stimulus. So the nurture vs nature argument is personified. We - OK, I, I don't know and can't tell about you - are the exceptions.
The around-the-horn approach to my position is this, I guess: Male brain - female brain; all I know is this: I was enough off center that the male body ached for femaleness. If it was caused by having a female mind, so be it. If it was caused by having a male mind that was not following the dictated pattern, so be that. What I do know is that I now have a female body, as much as scientifically possible. Of course I have a female mind.
This is probably rambling - I'm not tracking very well today. Must be my time of the month! >:-)
Susan Kay
not to mix up gender-identity and brain formation ...which is a result of what hormones are in your system during development. It's just simple logic really. But yeah tis cool.
Quote from: Robertina on July 01, 2011, 11:13:51 AMour brains are probably more physically female than male, right?
The short answer appears to be,
yes...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19751389 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19751389)
Neuroimaging differences in spatial cognition between men and male-to-female transsexuals before and during hormone therapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803)
Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961)
A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193)
Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/829048 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/829048)
Electroencephalographic changes in transsexualism (author's transl).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20132527 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20132527)
Regional cerebral blood flow changes in female to male gender identity disorder.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18761592 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18761592)
Specific cerebral activation due to visual erotic stimuli in male-to-female transsexuals compared with male and female controls: an fMRI study.
(I thought this one was interesting)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17875490 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17875490)
Sexual differentiation of the brain and behavior.
Zhou JN, Hofman MA, Gooren LJ, Swaab DF. A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. Nature. 1995 Nov 2;378(6552):68-70.
This study corroborates Zhou et al
Kruijver FP, Zhou JN, Pool CW, Hofman MA, Gooren LJ, Swaab DF Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2000 May;85(5):2034-41
As does this one...
Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF. A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity. Brain. 2008 Dec;131(Pt 12):3132-46. Epub 2008 Nov 2.
More studies:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15854782 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15854782)
Sex steroid-related genes and male-to-female transsexualism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806)
Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14560698 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14560698)
Consequences of disturbed sex-hormone action in the central nervous system: behavioral, anatomical and functional changes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12573812 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12573812)
Androgens and male behavior.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289)
A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8850137 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8850137)
Hormones and psychosexual differentiation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1302528 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1302528)
The clinico-biological aspects of transsexualism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1778227 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1778227)
Gene- and environment-dependent neuroendocrine etiogenesis of homosexuality and transsexualism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3282489 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3282489)
Neuroendocrine response to estrogen and brain differentiation in heterosexuals, homosexuals, and transsexuals.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7271684 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7271684)
Neurobiological approaches in human behavior genetics.
^^^^^^^was referring to>>>>>>>
"In a separate study, the team used the same technique to compare white matter in 18 male-to-female transsexual people with that in 19 males and 19 females. Surprisingly, in each transsexual person's brain the structure of the white matter in the four regions was halfway between that of the males and females. "Their brains are not completely masculinised and not completely feminised, but they still feel female," says Guillamon."
Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/study-shows-transexuals-may-display-brain-differences.html#ixzz1R1LrsqiG (http://www.care2.com/causes/study-shows-transexuals-may-display-brain-differences.html#ixzz1R1LrsqiG)
Quote from: Debra on June 24, 2011, 05:18:09 PM
It's my understanding that even though your testosterone can be 'blocked'...it's still running around in your system. So once you get an orchiectomy or SRS, there literally is no more T in your system AT ALL and this apparently can make a big difference in fat redistribution and results in general.
That is great news!. I plan to have an orcie first to for sure remove all the T stuff & later complete SRS. Such great news.
That is the most comprehensive list of academic material related to transsexualism I've ever seen.
That's awesome. Thanks FG.
Quote from: FairyGirl on July 03, 2011, 12:57:18 AM
The short answer appears to be, yes...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19751389 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19751389)
Neuroimaging differences in spatial cognition between men and male-to-female transsexuals before and during hormone therapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803)
Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961)
A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193)
Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/829048 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/829048)
Electroencephalographic changes in transsexualism (author's transl).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20132527 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20132527)
Regional cerebral blood flow changes in female to male gender identity disorder.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18761592 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18761592)
Specific cerebral activation due to visual erotic stimuli in male-to-female transsexuals compared with male and female controls: an fMRI study.
(I thought this one was interesting)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17875490 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17875490)
Sexual differentiation of the brain and behavior.
Zhou JN, Hofman MA, Gooren LJ, Swaab DF. A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. Nature. 1995 Nov 2;378(6552):68-70.
This study corroborates Zhou et al
Kruijver FP, Zhou JN, Pool CW, Hofman MA, Gooren LJ, Swaab DF Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2000 May;85(5):2034-41
As does this one...
Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF. A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity. Brain. 2008 Dec;131(Pt 12):3132-46. Epub 2008 Nov 2.
More studies:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15854782 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15854782)
Sex steroid-related genes and male-to-female transsexualism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806)
Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14560698 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14560698)
Consequences of disturbed sex-hormone action in the central nervous system: behavioral, anatomical and functional changes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12573812 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12573812)
Androgens and male behavior.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289)
A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8850137 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8850137)
Hormones and psychosexual differentiation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1302528 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1302528)
The clinico-biological aspects of transsexualism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1778227 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1778227)
Gene- and environment-dependent neuroendocrine etiogenesis of homosexuality and transsexualism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3282489 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3282489)
Neuroendocrine response to estrogen and brain differentiation in heterosexuals, homosexuals, and transsexuals.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7271684 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7271684)
Neurobiological approaches in human behavior genetics.
Quote from: caitlin_adams on July 26, 2011, 09:01:22 AM
That is the most comprehensive list of academic material related to transsexualism I've ever seen.
That's awesome. Thanks FG.
That is pretty amazing
5 weeks out from my surgery so I CAN HARDLY WAIT AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all, thanks to those who contributed with scientific literature, its great to see solid facts and more updated knowledge.
We might take notice of these research papers because we already have the fundamentals about our condition but every Tom, Dick and Harry down the road have no idea so it doesn't help.
In my opinion, general public need to be educated at school about the diversity of sexual orientation and gender identity in nature.
That's the only way Harry Benjamin Syndrome / Transsexualism / Whatever you like to call it is going to be tolerated better.
What worries me is, the day they find the exact causes of the condition, are they going to try and 'correct' this congenital mutation to try and assimilate the existence of transsexuals?
Let's hope not >:-)
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I'm working on getting my second letter, and hope to experience the wonderful results you ladies did. :)
Best,
Veronica
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Yes, pre surgery I was one of those annoying people that could each huge amounts and remain stick thin with a washboard stomach. Since SRS six years ago I've gained wait from 48kg to 62kg (although as I'm 5'7 my previous weight was actually underweight). I will say that now my body is very distinctly female with the fat distribution that happened post op, particularly with hips and boobs.
Regarding the brain issue, it appears to be very easy to misunderstand each other as it seems that there are differing definitions of Male and female brains. It is key, however to differentiate between brain hard wiring and gender identity from birth (theoretically as far as we understand from current research) and the brain being washed with Male or female hormones at puberty. I don't think Male hormones at puberty make a "Male" brain, but might masculinise it, in the same way testosterone injections would masculinise a biological female's brain.