I was just reading a post by A in a different topic in which she mentions "classic transsexual breasts" as being elongated and pointed sideways. Mine aren't particularly elongated (at least I don't think so), but are pointed sideways. During my transition (many years ago) I was only on E. I have never been prescribed progesterone.
I gather the lack of progesterone is was causes that breast shape? Can anyone expand on this (no pun intended)? I assume that after all this time (about 17 years post-SRS) it is too late to rectify (right?).
You will hear widely differing opinions as to the effects (or lack thereof) of taking progesterone! Theories abound, not much hard data around either way that I've seen yet*, mostly I see people saying "this happened to me, and it's because I took progesterone" but it's often not clear how they are sure that was the cause.
*I've just been taken to task for this - apparently there are good studies that have been done - though I haven't seen any study results myself, is what I meant.
"being elongated and pointed sideways."
Sounds like the cis-girl on the cover of an old LP. There are probably as many different shapes as there are women, so I'm not going to worry as long as they stop hurting and just grow!
Karen.
If you ask anyone who does breast exams, they will most likely tell you that no two pair of boobies are the same whether they be cis, trans or otherwise :)
Hugs
- Virginia
Some people say they have positive effects from progestins/progesterones and some don't but I guess everyone's different.. right? One thing that can be different is from those with a wider chest, the breasts don't create as much of a natural cleavage.. so unless your chest is thinner it can be noticeable, more so if development is minimal. Nipple development can vary, I've found post-op my nipples and areolas have finally started developing more. Before they were just puffy most the time, the areolas had expanded a little though just nodarkening or nipple growth. It stressed me a little but things are happening now which is great. That elongated breast thing can be normal for even cis girls in puberty. I strongly believe that progestins/progesterones do help with this but again not a hard fact just from reading people that do take it and those that don't and their accounts. There have been studies like in this following txt file that go into it more indepth, informative. I was just going to quote from it but I can't be bothered.
txt file on progestins/progesterones...
http://www.mediafire.com/?ie4xoe3zbp1ncec (http://www.mediafire.com/?ie4xoe3zbp1ncec)
It helps some people a lot with mood, too - but it does the opposite with others. It's so individual.
I don't see how that term could apply to something related to progesterone.
If there are such "classic transsexual breasts" it's because it is believed that our breasts supposedly don't develop to the last tanner stage-depending on age, not progesterone. And I'm pretty sure we all come in different shapes and sizes in that department ;)
I did, under progesterone, have a very wild appetite, more mood changes and stronger libido. It was fun, but when I changed doctor I stopped because he didn't prescribe it. It didn't seem really necessary though.
As was said, more shapes than women.
I fit into a normal bra, so I must have normal breast. My sister in law has massive breasts that have been surgically reduced but grew back. She cannot wear a normal bra so she doesn't have female breasts? I don't think so.
Cindy
If you are transsexual and have breasts, I guess they have to be "transsexual breasts." ;D Anything else is just details.
And does it matter,
Any more than a handful seems to keep most guys happy.
>:-)
Cindy
Now I'm waiting for the bunfight over whether they should be called "transgender breasts" ;D
I don't care what they are called as long as the Boob Fairy brings some!
Quote from: justmeinoz on June 20, 2011, 04:55:11 AM
I don't care what they are called as long as the Boob Fairy brings some!
Welcome to being a Mod :-*
Cindy
If there are such "classic transsexual breasts" ...
What Classic breasts might look like:
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1073418271044594553YHYMwq (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1073418271044594553YHYMwq)
I'm hoping for rococo transsexual breasts myself :).
I've had my eye on a madonna bra for some time now....
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstylesbyclaudia.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F12%2Fmadonna_narrowweb__300x5140.jpg&hash=f99d6ae4ddea015e4db2c9508ef9e60a2b116161)
hhmmmm... to purchase or not to purchase that is... the... ?
Unanswerable question #23b: "Do my breasts look transsexual in this bra?" ;D
I'm also reminded of the bit in LA Story where Steve Martin feels up Sarah Jessica Parker, frowns, and says "Your breasts feel weird..." and she just replies matter-of-factly "Oh, yeah - they're real." I wonder how much of our current mental image of a "normal" breast is based on the already-upgraded version that's so prevalent in media these days?
It is rare to make it through all the Tanner stages unles you start HRT as a teen. I suspect that the reason is becasue the older you get, the less growth hormones you produce.
Wow, I didn't realize I had unleashed such a controversial topic. :embarrassed:
Interesting picture of Venus de Milo. Good point. Yes, I do see where it depends a lot on each individual.
Ummm... Tanner stages?
Quote from: Plain Jane on June 19, 2011, 05:43:55 AM
I gather the lack of progesterone is was causes that breast shape? Can anyone expand on this (no pun intended)? I assume that after all this time (about 17 years post-SRS) it is too late to rectify (right?).
No that much time post-operative is not 'too late.' We added progesterone to my mix roughly 15 years after and there was still growth/development to be had.
However, every person is different...so my experience may not translate the same as yours or anyone elses in a statistically significant manner.
There have been members here at Susan's who swear that progesterone is the only way to avoid the dreaded conical breasts. * While others reply no, no and thrice no to progesterone.
* If you want my opinion I believe that conical breasts are caused by too little oestrogen. Don't forget that genetic girls' bodies are flooded with natural oestrogen - they also get natural progesterone but from my reading progesterone serves to keep the vagina moist and has little or nothing to do with breast development. We on the other hand get paltry amounts of SYNTHETIC oestrogen and wonder why our breasts are small and irregular looking. Women who swear by progesterone are not thinking logically. They think 'well I took A and B happened so A MUST have caused B'.
'You may have noticed that the less I know about a subject the more confidence I have, and the more new light I throw on it.'
Mark Twain
Quote from: Padma on June 20, 2011, 08:15:43 AM
I'm also reminded of the bit in LA Story where Steve Martin feels up Sarah Jessica Parker, frowns, and says "Your breasts feel weird..." and she just replies matter-of-factly "Oh, yeah - they're real." I wonder how much of our current mental image of a "normal" breast is based on the already-upgraded version that's so prevalent in media these days?
I totally don't wonder how much.
Quote from: JessicaH on June 20, 2011, 11:10:35 AM
It is rare to make it through all the Tanner stages unles you start HRT as a teen. I suspect that the reason is becasue the older you get, the less growth hormones you produce.
Then I'm rare. I made it all the way to stage five, and I used progesterone for two years.
Hi, I have read that progesterone helps in breast growth and I have also heard that is does, it seems like it should be cycled, like on for a while and then off for a while. You Dr. will know more about these things, atleast he or she should.
When it comes to breast size I will be happy if I get a A or a B cup. I see before and after pictures of girls that get breast implants and I tell myself "what are you doing, your ruining your boobs" most of them look just fine before and look terrible after, they look too fake and I dont like the idea that the have a life expectancy of about 10 years, so you will need to have another surgery sooner or later.
I like natural breasts weather they are small med. or a bit bigger than med.
I am not a fan of real big boobs, I think size C would be the biggest I would want to go, I love to talk about boobs I could do this all day, I cant wait until I get mine after I start HRT. Aloha everyone.
Jennie
"You Dr. will know more about these things, atleast he or she should."
Doctor A = yes, Doctor B = no, Doctor C = 0_o, Doctor D = *cough*, Doctor E = "When I was schooled back in 1967..".. etc.
lols.
Quote from: Jennie on June 21, 2011, 04:37:46 AM
You Dr. will know more about these things, atleast he or she should.
Even the biggest names in Trans Medecine either disagree or simpy say they don't know. Without real medical studies, it is hard to get definitive information on things like that and sometimes it's hard to tease the truth from the statistics without a study of many years followig many thousands of subjects.
Oh, people are talking about me. As they said, as there seems to be lacking proofs of progesterone's effectiveness, even doctors are mostly led by opinion on this subject.
Personally, I have been convinced by a few anecdotes of people who were having a stall in their breasts' development on top of finding them not very good-looking and
weird-shaped. Then they were put on progesterone and their breasts resumed their development and achieved a much fuller shape.
In any case, I feel it should be tried before it is rejected, as there are at least some examples of good results.
I had my concerns when P was added and my E was reduced, but have had fairly good luck with it so I can't complain :) I can visually see that it has helped with the overall size and shape of my breasts
Kia Ora,
::) The endocrinologist I saw when I started my transition [well it was a while into it] once told me because of our bone structure [chest frame] when M2Fs develop breasts they tend to migrate to the sides, reducing the appearance of full frontal development, and one way to correct this is to buy a "training" bra...
Metta Zenda :)
I also have to wonder about synthetic progesterone versus natural. My doc doesn't prescribe any progesterone but has me on depo provera (a synthetic) as an anti-androgen because spiro didn't work for me at all. When my E dosage was increased in March, I finally started to develop breasts at an appreciable rate, but I notice too that my nipples point way outward. So much so that when wearing a bra, the outside of the areola is less than an inch from the outside edge of the bra, but the inside of the areola is a good three inches from the bra's inside edge. Non-padded bras are pretty much useless since 3/4 of it just gets squished down.
I should say also that glandular development is pretty centered, as is fat distribution. I don't notice the entire breast structure pointing outward at all. It's just my nipples that are way off center for some reason. :laugh:
Zoë Natasha: I don't have the details, but they say artificial progesterone should be avoided at all costs because it carries many risks on top of having poorer results.
I've read that micronized progesterone is "bio-identical" to natural progesterone, and safer; while synthetic progestins are different and dangerous. I could be misquoting. I brought up P to my doctor, and she said she'd have no problem prescribing it but she'd rather I wait until later to see how far my current meds take me. She's an amazing doctor, and I adore her and her staff. :)
Quote from: A on June 21, 2011, 03:32:17 PM
Zoë Natasha: I don't have the details, but they say artificial progesterone should be avoided at all costs because it carries many risks on top of having poorer results.
Well crap... my doc doesn't prescribe progesterone. :( Also, she only does spiro or depo as an anti-androgen, so I don't have any other choice since spiro didn't work. I'll have a chat with her in September about all of this.
I've read that micronized progesterone is "bio-identical" to natural progesterone, and safer; while synthetic progestins are different and dangerous.
You are correct :) That's what I was told also and I was put on a micronised P
Quote from: Plain Jane on June 19, 2011, 05:43:55 AM
I was just reading a post by A in a different topic in which she mentions "classic transsexual breasts" as being elongated and pointed sideways. Mine aren't particularly elongated (at least I don't think so), but are pointed sideways. During my transition (many years ago) I was only on E. I have never been prescribed progesterone.
I gather the lack of progesterone is was causes that breast shape? Can anyone expand on this (no pun intended)? I assume that after all this time (about 17 years post-SRS) it is too late to rectify (right?).
Just ask the "experts" and yourself what kind of progesterone levels does the developing tenn female body has?
Now for the true: progesterone will cause the brest to grow, just ask any pregnat or lactating female. A small does of P is reccomended for TS undegoing HRT.
More truths: the shape and/or pointing-direction of breast is gentically determied and has nothing to do with the hormone regime
Kate D
PS. If most females in your family have breast that point outward, then it is very likely that your will also do so.
I'm sure in that particular txt file I posted there is info about a biopsy done on a mtf breast that had no P and another mtf breast that did have P and the one with P showed much more development in parts that are know to be more respondent to P. In a nut shell. This and the fact, yes I said fact that P and E work together, mtfs produce P naturally but typically at lower levels than the average cisfem. Supplementing does show positive results. Also there are two kinds of synthetic progestins and from what I've read all the testing that ends up in the doctors hands is from a particular type, the crap type. The other, better form of progestin that doesn't convert to T is much safer, but not as common. Perhaps it's not as ideal for cisgender ladies so we only get what is on the market for them. Needless to say progesterones are obviously going to be more ideal. If they are avail in your area *shakes fist*. Actually *puts fist away*.. there is BHRT compounding which I've been looking into, from what I've read that is the #1 method imo bioidentical and not mixed with anything else so 100% pure ..though possibly more expensive.
in my case anything is an improvment on my old male chest, i have some sort of weird bone deformity where my ribs are at a sharp angle on either side to a 3 inch or so flat piece of bone - sort of use to look a bit like the bit from aliens just before the monster come out, use to scare the hell out of customs at airports as they would wonder what the very hard flat lump was under my t-shirt. Once the customs persons friend just stared like mad when they made me pull my shirt up and walked stright into a wall!
Now with breasts, which are going a bit side ways (but I put this down to the sharp angle of the ribs) everything looks a lot more normal, and with a push up bra looks even good :-).
THere is a page you can find by googling "second type woman breast" and it talks about typical trans breast development. If you are over 20, you typically end up with Tanner III, Tanner IV instead of Tanner V.
Can you link it, japple?
I was just there, although I've seen this page before. Very informative.
http://www.secondtype.info/breastdev.htm (http://www.secondtype.info/breastdev.htm)
Very interesting website.
Thanks for that link.
Very informative. OK I'll go and see a plastic, but have any lady's had implants after 'little' growth. And how big can they big. I'd like to be a B-C. I have a 36" chest so I think I could carry either B or C's might be too much?
Cindy
For myself, I think B's would be more than adequate. I had forms that gave me B's and I was more than happy. I have a 36" chest too, and C's are ample enough that I felt a little too conspicuous, if you know what I mean. That was my personal feeling though.
Thanks April, my current forms are I think a B.
I like attention :embarrassed: but I don't want too look like a hooker (please before anyone blasts me, think). I'm sort of lost though between what looks good and what feels good. I suppose like lots of girls I would really like my boyfriend to go nuts.
And I know they like biggies. I feel like a trollop saying that. And I'm not too sure why :embarrassed:. I just want some attention. ::)
Cindy
"I just want some attention. " Sounds like a fair thing to me! >:-)
In real measurements, not kilowhatsits, I am 6'3" and have a 42" chest, so they will have to be big enough to be in proportion.
I will have to balance that against the need to avoid aggravating my back injury by having them too big though.
There seems to be some growth happening, so I will wait to see how big they get of their own accord.
Karen.
Karen
You are such a friend :-*
I'm about 5' 8' weigh and 61 kilos ( notice the 1 :-*). I'm a little frightened of looking like an advert for a she male site ? I again do not mean that rudely. I just want to blend in. Oh well
I've got this far. Some days you cry. Damn hormones yet again.
Cindy
To tell the truth Cindy, my back would be a lot better if I was 5" shorter.
It's all a matter of leverage, long back with a large boob hanging off it is a lot of force on a little disc. Give me a long enough lever and I can stuff the world!
Kaz.
Oh Not another Newton?
Hugs Sis
I've crawled from the depths the last few weeks.
I'm BAAAACK
Cindy :laugh:
Quote from: Cindy James on June 25, 2011, 05:31:15 AM
Oh Not another Newton?
Hugs Sis
I've crawled from the depths the last few weeks.
I'm BAAAACK
Cindy :laugh:
I thank the powers that be for this! Thing is Cindy, YOU are all the power you need. Other people can only add the toppings.
I'm a champ at mixed metaphors.
I think our mileage may vary, as always.
First, Tanner stages are -not- a set in stone thing. It means breast development, instead of size. In the link provided before there were a few pics of breasts I would consider tanner V but they were
classified in less developed stages because of their size, which is wrong.
All in all, I think we should not worry too much about this. Let's just live life as it is without overanalyzing.
Quote from: Zoë Natasha on June 21, 2011, 02:42:10 PM
My doc doesn't prescribe any progesterone but has me on depo provera (a synthetic) as an anti-androgen because spiro didn't work for me at all
Depo-Provera is medroxyprogesterone acetate, a progestogen. See Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depo-Provera).
Some here take oral medroxyprogesterone acetate as a "progesterone".
How do I know what size to put for the cup? My chest (not counting boobs) is 28" (Is that large?), but I seem to fit into 34A bras? How does the "34" make sense?
I did a little searching and found the answer.
Quote(#2)The first measurement to take is around your ribcage, just below your breasts. Now add 5 to this number to get your band size. If the resulting band size was an odd number, you will need to round up to the next even number since bra bands only come in even numbers.
Quote(#3)The second measurement should be taken around the fullest part of your bosom with your favorite bra on. This measurement is your cup size. Next subtract your band size from your cup size to calculate the right cup size.
Quote<1/2" larger than measurement #2--------------------AA
1" larger than measurement #2------------------------A
2" larger than measurement #2------------------------B
3" larger than measurement #2------------------------C
4" larger than measurement #2------------------------D
5" larger than measurement #2------------------------DD or E
6" larger than measurement #2------------------------DDD or F
7" larger than measurement #2------------------------G
8" larger than measurement #2------------------------H
9" larger than measurement #2------------------------I
10" larger than measurement #2-----------------------J
(source: http://www.freebeautytips.org/brasize.html (http://www.freebeautytips.org/brasize.html) )
So let's say I measure myself. I can't because I have no tape, but let's imagine numbers. Let's say I measure my rib cage and I get 30". Then I add 5. 35. But since they
don't have odd numbers, let's add 1. 36. Then I measure my imaginary breasts. Let's say I get 37" on the tape. 37 - 36 = 1. A one-inch difference would give me
an A cup. -> The bra I would need to buy would be a 36A.
...Unless I'm mistaken and the "band size" that should be used is the direct measurement done in the first step, without the +5, +1? Well, this would make a huge
difference in calculations and you should know. (In my example, if I use the basic measurement, it gives a F-sized cup, which is... NOTICEABLY DIFFERENT.)
This is the way I learned how to do it. I don't understand adding 5 to the band size, unless that's a measuring formula for overseas sizing.
STEP 1: BAND SIZE
Measure under your arms, high on your back, across the top of your chest. If this measurement is an even number, this is your band size. If an odd number, add 1" to determine your band size.
STEP 2: CUP SIZE
Measure loosely around the fullest part of your bust. Next, subtract your band measurement from your bust measurement; each inch represents a cup size. For example: if your band measurement is 34" and your bust measurement is 36", the difference between these measurements is two inches, and you'd wear a B-cup.
Less than 1" AA
1" A
2" B
3" C
4" D
5" DD
I understand now, thanks
@ April... That's the method I generally use also :) Another method that a GG showed me to figure cup size after you've measured your band size is to take a common ruler or measuring tape and place the end at the fold under your breast and see how many inches your nipple centers up at... It actually works out the same :laugh:
Are you sure, April? The site I linked to seems to be pretty formal about the +5 thing.
...Or perhaps it's only natural that the underarm measurement is typically 5 inches greater than the under-breast one.
Quote from: Plain Jane on June 19, 2011, 05:43:55 AM
I was just reading a post by A in a different topic in which she mentions "classic transsexual breasts" as being elongated and pointed sideways. Mine aren't particularly elongated (at least I don't think so), but are pointed sideways. During my transition (many years ago) I was only on E. I have never been prescribed progesterone.
I gather the lack of progesterone is was causes that breast shape? Can anyone expand on this (no pun intended)? I assume that after all this time (about 17 years post-SRS) it is too late to rectify (right?).
Yea, mine look totally wrong in shape and size and look pretty weird and not like female breasts.
Quote from: Cindy James on June 20, 2011, 03:55:41 AM
And does it matter,
Any more than a handful seems to keep most guys happy.
>:-)
Cindy
Good to know LOL
Girls i know this topic was done but i read it and saw you all discussing progesterones right? well when i start HRT my doctor told me that it is needed at some point because it adds certain tissue which gives breasts their natural none cone shape and some what protective tissue. he says that it should be taken for a while at least just to add the tissue into your breasts which E doesnt give :D :D :D hope this helps
I was on E and Spiro for a bit longer than a year and have not had progesterone. My breasts are nice and round not at all cone shaped-similar to those in the Venus De Milo pic. I am a 36A cup and want to go to a C cup eventually but a B would also be nice for my frame.
I am not on any meds right now(hopefully that will soon change) and am quite satisfied with what I have-anything else would just be more icing on my cake!!! ;D As they are now, they are quite noticeable if that is what I want and I am very happy to have them.
Cindi-I thank you again for just being you!
Randi
For me the difference between transsexual and transgender really comes down to this. The transgender person while certainly not ruling out surgeries and feminisation procedures is not as fixated upon the techniques and procedures as the transsexual. Secondly, in my opinion the transsexual desires to undergo the whole gamut of surgeries and procedures currently available and is keen for yet more surgical procedures to become available. The transgender person prefers on the whole to pick-and-mix what he/she has done. This is just my opinion so please feel free to express your own opinion. :)
OOps wrong thread, please disregard.
I apologise in advance if this bit of information has been canvassed and promulgated previously;
Just a bit of information you might find interesting regarding progestins and MtF transgender HRT from the Gender Identity Research and Education Society (GIRES) www.gires.org.uk (http://www.gires.org.uk) in the UK www.gires.org.uk/assets/Medpro-Assets/Progesterone.pdf (http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/Medpro-Assets/Progesterone.pdf)
In particular, note mention of the previous study upon which some of the beliefs re progestins have been based.
Cheers, Petra
Thanks that paper is very informative
Very interesting paper.
It basically confirms what my Endo told me.
I especially like the bit about eating more pies! Does Cheesecake count I wonder? :)
Karen.
There seem to be very strong differences of opinion amongst the trans world about whether progesterone does or does not contribute significantly to breast growth. Some people on Susan's say it has made a difference to their breast growth. I'm just mentioning this because the last time I saw this paper linked to here, it came in for a lot of stick from people who think Dr Curtis has got it wrong. So expect opinions and experiences on both sides!
What are tanner stages? i mean i see what they are but if your breasts dont develop like the tanner stages say they must, then are they deformed? i am confused are tanner stages the average breasts growth stages?
EDIT: sorry fixed the grammar :D i have one of those mental things where you think faster than a normal person and faster than my body cant react so i skip words ere and there sorry :P
Kitty, I don't want to sound like a bad tempered school teacher, but could you pleas use a little punctuation. It is sometimes a bit difficult to follow you.
I will understand if you are using a phone to post though. Nasty keyboards.
Karen.
If you look at a load of breasts you'll see that there's a huge variety of shapes, sizes, profiles. Tanner stages refer to the normal basic stages of breast development in pubescent biological females. It's best to treat it as a rough guide at best. Probably every woman (trans or otherwise) has in their head a picture of the "perfect breast" they'd like to have, and most of them don't get that, and some of those that don't then get outside help approaching that "perfect breast" - it's up to the individual how content they are with what they grow. There are plenty of trans women who develop fine, "normal"-looking breasts. There are plenty of biological women who don't. It's a lottery.
Quote from: Padma on July 21, 2011, 06:32:07 AM
If you look at a load of breasts you'll see that there's a huge variety of shapes, sizes, profiles. Tanner stages refer to the normal basic stages of breast development in pubescent biological females. It's best to treat it as a rough guide at best. Probably every woman (trans or otherwise) has in their head a picture of the "perfect breast" they'd like to have, and most of them don't get that, and some of those that don't then get outside help approaching that "perfect breast" - it's up to the individual how content they are with what they grow. There are plenty of trans women who develop fine, "normal"-looking breasts. There are plenty of biological women who don't. It's a lottery.
thanks :D :D i understand now
You mean "classic transsexual" as opposed to autogynephilic late transitioners (in my book anybody that transitions after 25 is a late transitioner), those who have lived half a century as men & realise one rainy Wednesday that they are "transsexual" in order to satisfy a sexual fetish?
No, Pia - I don't think anybody but you means that.
Quote from: Pia on August 04, 2011, 02:17:51 AM
You mean "classic transsexual" as opposed to autogynephilic late transitioners (in my book anybody that transitions after 25 is a late transitioner), those who have lived half a century as men & realise one rainy Wednesday that they are "transsexual" in order to satisfy a sexual fetish?
That's a rather rude and assumptive generallization :P That's like saying young people are rude and stupid and have no freakin' clue about much of anything other than if it was day or night and what the weather was like when they woke up and thought that they had become adults
How much of our breast development has to do with our genes, our mothers & grand mothers, etc... I wonder????
My mother was well endowed & I hope turn out that way naturally over time.
Quote from: justmeinoz on June 20, 2011, 04:55:11 AM
I don't care what they are called as long as the Boob Fairy brings some!
THIS
It seems to be a complete lottery, alas. Every story that says "my breasts did this, and I think it's because of that" has a response from someone else saying "my conditions were the same, but it hasn't worked that way for me." We just have to wait and see what we get :).
I don't care what they are called as long as the Boob Fairy brings some!
So long as she doesn't just leave them under my pillow :).
I give praise to the Boob Fairy!!! :laugh:
Me, I'm waiting for my presents from Father Chestmass ;D.
Quote from: Pia on August 04, 2011, 02:17:51 AM
You mean "classic transsexual" as opposed to autogynephilic late transitioners (in my book anybody that transitions after 25 is a late transitioner), those who have lived half a century as men & realise one rainy Wednesday that they are "transsexual" in order to satisfy a sexual fetish?
I don't think I've ever reported a post here.
On this occasion I'm tempted. Your assertion here is astonishingly ignorant and abrasive. I won't say hurtful because I don't give anyone the power to hurt me on the internet. but I'll definitely say it's every bit as toxic as anything any Bible thumper has said about trans people in my experience.
Quote from: Pia on August 04, 2011, 02:17:51 AM
You mean "classic transsexual" as opposed to autogynephilic late transitioners (in my book anybody that transitions after 25 is a late transitioner), those who have lived half a century as men & realise one rainy Wednesday that they are "transsexual" in order to satisfy a sexual fetish?
A reminder about our Terms of Service - under which posts such as the above are unacceptable:
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Quote from: Pia on August 04, 2011, 02:17:51 AM
You mean "classic transsexual" as opposed to autogynephilic late transitioners (in my book anybody that transitions after 25 is a late transitioner), those who have lived half a century as men & realise one rainy Wednesday that they are "transsexual" in order to satisfy a sexual fetish?
I disagree with you. Instead of telling you why and discussing the issue, I'm just going to be offended and try to get you banned / silenced instead.
There seems to me to be a trend for some young'uns to attempt to create dischord and trouble for us older folks. These youngsters haven't grown up with the same set of social mores that we have so they just don't know what we have had to endure just to try to be sane because of our gender 'issues'. We did not get old being stupid nor 'autogynefilic'-in anyone's stretch of the imagination. If you young'uns would pay attention to some of what we have to say you might learn something significant.
Now, can we just get back to talking about how much fun it is to have titties? Mine are 'Classic Transexual Titties' and even though they are small, I LOVE HAVING THEM SO MUCH any attempt to describe how it feels pales in comparison to just getting to massage them when I first wake up, to seeing them in the sunlight and look at their shadow, to seeing how far they now hang down from my chest wall when I bend over. I am a Classic so my breasts have to be Classic too!
Randi 8)
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