Kia Ora,
Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism ?? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmCS7P-vdRM#)
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Most accounts of Jesus in India derive from a book titled The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ, written by Nicholas Notovitch, a Russian doctor who claimed to visit the monastery of Himmis near Leh, Ladakh (Kashmir) in 1888. (10) Notovitch said that, in visiting the monastery, he reviewed written verses that described the presence there of Jesus known as "Issa." Other passages elaborate on Jesus' travels in India, his teachings, his acceptance of the Shudras and other untouchables, and his conflicts with the Brahmans and the Zoroastrian priests of Persia. Jesus supposedly arrived in India at the age of fourteen and returned to Judea at the age of twenty-nine. (11)
Was Notovitch a fraud who took advantage of the current interest? Certainly he had a following of many frauds or fools. One was the Muslim Ahmadiyya movement founded by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who claimed that Jesus also escaped death on the cross and returned to India. Another was Levi Dowling, writer of The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ, first published in 1911 and still read today by New Age Aquarians. Dowling derived his account of Jesus in India obviously from Notovitch, although he claimed to have derived his knowledge from the so-called "Akashic Records," which are the unwritten thoughts existing within the universe that can be accessed by psychics such as himself.
Notovitch's most credible supporter probably is Fida Hassnain, a retired Buddhist scholar from University of Srinagar, director of state archeology, and past head of the Kashmir Library and Archives. In a book written with Dahan Levi titled The Fifth Gospel, Hassnain restates most of the information provided by Notovitch: Jesus left Judea when he was thirteen. Traveling most of the way with merchants, he made his way via Damascus, Babylon, and Kharax to Persia and eventually to Kashmir to study and lecture. Jesus remained in India for about sixteen years; he studied Buddhism, the Vedas, and other Indic writing mostly in Kashmir, but he also lectured and traveled throughout India. At the age of twenty-nine he left India and eventually reappeared in Judea to begin his ministry. His time in Kashmir coincides exactly with his "lost years" in the gospels.
Buddhist records usually refer to Jesus as Issa-Masih, and Muslims use the name Yusu-Masih or some variant. One record of Jesus' sermons in Kashmir is in Bhavishya- maha-purana, written by Sutta in 115 CE. (18) Another record of Jesus' sermons in Kashmir was Tarikh-I-Kashmir, written later by the Muslim Mulla Nadri, who identified Jesus as Yuz-Asaph. (19) A Muslim record was Al-Shaikh Al-Said-us-Sadiq; Ikmal-ud-Din. (20) Another was the history of Kashmir written by Kalhana circa 1148 CE, which referred to Jesus as Isana, "the great guru" who impressed the king, Samdhi-mati. (21) A Persian account of Jesus in India is written around 900 CE by Al Shaikh Said-us-Sidiz and titled Mamal-Ud-Din. (22) Finally, the Apocalypse of Peter refers to Jesus sitting at one of the ten pillars erected in India by Ashoka: "As the Savior was sitting in the temple in the three hundredth (year) of the covenant and the agreement of the tenth pillar." (23) A passage in Song of the Yogi sung by Natha Yogas reads: "My friend Ishai has gone towards Arabia." A verse in the Puranas reads: "Having found the sacred image of Eeshai [God] in my heart, my name will be established as on the earth as Eesah Mashi [the Messiah].
The biblical silence about Jesus' lost years is one of the strangest hiatuses in history. It is a total silence about one of the greatest moralists in human history, covering seventeen years of Jesus' life between the ages of twelve and twenty-nine. Indeed, except for his birth and a singular account of Jesus as a twelve-year old in Jerusalem, there is silence about all but the last three years of his life. Why? Why did not Jesus' twelve disciples and his thousands of followers not comment on his life for twenty-nine of his thirty-two years?
The historic evidence of Jesus being in India is doubtful--Notovitch probably was a fraud. But no answers are found to the question of where Jesus was during his lost years. Certainly, he was no hometown carpenter, and he probably traveled extensively throughout Asia Minor, which increased his exposure to Buddhism. His travel is indicated by the many records found in India and even China and the keen interest demonstrated by Buddhists and other Easterners.
The textual evidence shows that Buddhism not only had spread West through Silk Road travelers and contacts between East and West from the conquests of Alexander, but also had been deliberately propagated through emissaries sent from India during the third century BC. This influence is revealed both by the actions and statements of Jesus and by the Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah, a term probably derived from Sanskrit.
The identities and parallels between the legends of Buddha and Jesus and between their deeds and statements require explanation. They are too close and too specific to be explained by a presumed set of universalist truths and ethics. If these truths and ethics are so universal and evident, then why is human history dominated by violence and ignorance? Why are the same identities not evident between Jesus and Mohammad, Jesus and Zarathustra, or Jesus and Lao Tzu?
When nineteenth-century missionaries translated and read ancient Sanskrit and Pali documents in India, they began to call Buddhism the Christianity of the East. But Buddhism came first, five hundred years before Christ. The more accurate dubbing is to call Christianity the Buddhism of the West.
Food for thought.... So was Jesus a Buddhist or had contact with Buddhism....Perhaps we will never know for sure...
Metta Zenda :)
Belive it ....Or not !
George Carlin - Interview with Jesus pl.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeGA2o3KXmM#) >:-) >:-) >:-) >:-) >:-) >:-)
Well the Mormons believe (as written in The book of 3 Nephi) that there was a visit by Jesus from heaven to the Americas sometime after his resurrection and ascension. The text says that during this American visit, he repeated much of the same doctrine and instruction given in the Gospels of the Bible and he established an enlightened, peaceful society which endured for several generations, but which eventually broke into warring factions again.
But I'm more down with Mark Knophler:
Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong.
Quote from: tekla on July 25, 2011, 11:35:47 PM
Well the Mormons believe (as written in The book of 3 Nephi) that there was a visit by Jesus from heaven to the Americas sometime after his resurrection and ascension. The text says that during this American visit, he repeated much of the same doctrine and instruction given in the Gospels of the Bible and he established an enlightened, peaceful society which endured for several generations, but which eventually broke into warring factions again.
But I'm more down with Mark Knophler:
Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong.
Kia Ora Tekla,
::) I learnt a lot about the Mormon religion from watching South Park... ;)
Metta Zenda :)
That's kinda like saying I learned a lot about New Zealand by watching Lord of the Rings.
I don't believe that he actually went anywhere to "learn" anything.
Quote from: Luke 2:40-52 (KJV)"And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem;
and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. But they, supposing him to have been in the company,
went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors,
both hearing them, and asking them questions. And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us?
behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me?
wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart."
I too find the gap very strange. I also find it strange that we are expected to believe,
the "Emanuel" [God with us] never wrote anything, during his life nor the 5 weeks before his ascension.
I believe this wonderful individual did many fantastic things, possibly all over the world.
Many things of which were not "convenient" for religious bureaucracy, which he consistantly railed against.
Hence the gap.
Quote from: tekla on July 26, 2011, 01:59:02 AM
That's kinda like saying I learned a lot about New Zealand by watching Lord of the Rings.
Kia Ora Tekla,
::) Well did you ? ;)
Metta Zenda :)
Well first off you seem to have a hell of an orc problem.
Quote from: tekla on July 26, 2011, 04:58:11 AMWell first off you seem to have a hell of an orc problem.
ROFLMAO
Always had a belief system for those, "I got these golden books, rods, statue, whatever form a loving entity that told me to help and save you" People. First step believe in me. Now we need a small cash donation to keep our beliefs strong.
Just can't use the suitable adjectives on an open forum >:-).
I can assure you Tekla, that as an Aussie we well know that NZ has a very bad orc problem, they are of course genetically linked to sheep. We have anti-orc immigration officers. And we also check that people with long white beards cannot run in slow motion.
Cindy
Kia Ora Folks,
::) http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10740649 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10740649)
::) BELIEVE IT!.....OR NOT! ;D
Metta Zenda :)
Kia Ora Folks,
::) Before England started to send its "undesirables" to its Australian colony, it used to ship them off the its "colonies" in the Americas...
::) BELIEVE IT !....OR NOT ! ;D
Metta Zenda :)
Kia Ora,
Possibly the world's first sex change[or gender reassignment or whatever one wishes to call it ]
Elagabalus
Rated as the 2nd worst Roman Emperor after Caligula, Elagabalus (204-222) a young successor to Marcus Aurelius was [according to historic records] gender dysphoric.
S/he is historically recorded as hedonistic and regularly cross-dressed.
Elagabalus was dragged away with hir mother by soldiers and murdered at the tender age of 18.
It's possible Elagabalus had sex-change surgery as Roman doctors at this time became very skilled in cosmetic surgery [from treating the injuries of gladiators] .
This would have made Elagabalus the first and only ever Roman Empress!
However it would seem Elagabalus was a somewhat sadistic SOB....But hey times were tough back then.... ;) ;D
BELIEVE IT!......OR NOT !
Metta Zenda :)
There are others who lived and died before Jesus was born who some say the Jesus we know today was modeled after.
Krishna from India, born about a thousand years before Christ, is said to have had a virgin mother and was baptized in a river.
The Persian god Mithra, born 600 years before Christ on December 25th. He is said to have performed miracles, was resurrected on the third day, he was known as the Lamb, the Way, the Truth, the Light, the Savior, Messiah.
Back before the advent of modern science, people were prone to believe just about anything, even more so than today. And those people who wrote the stories that made it into the bible... well they went around name dropping and were elevated to an almost omnipotent level in mostly poor society. But that was the brilliance of the christian movement; appeal to the poor, the down on their luck, the hardship cases. Life on earth was hell so someone comes along and says, "Follow me and when you die I will take you to paradise." What have you got to lose?
The only people who ever knew the real truth are all dead now. And the only thing that supports one's "knowledge" today is faith.
One Not So Solitary Life
A child is born in an obscure village. He is brought up in another obscure village. He leaves home at the age of twelve. For 18 years he studies to be a Buddhist monk. He returns to his homeland, and then for three brief years is an itinerant preacher, proclaiming a message and living a life. He never writes a book. He never holds an office. He never raises an army. He marries a prostitute named Mary Magdalene and has a family of his own, including a daughter named Sarah. He never owns a home. He never goes to college. He never travels two hundred miles from the place where he was born, except to go to India to become a monk. He gathers a little group of friends about him and teaches them his way of life. While still a young man, the tide of popular feeling turns against him. One denies him; another betrays him. He is turned over to his enemies. He goes through the mockery of a trial; he is nailed to a cross between two thieves, and when dead is laid in a borrowed grave by the kindness of a friend. His wife and daughter leave for France and Mary drops her married surname, Christ, because the Romans were out hunting down Christ's descendants and took on another name. Sarah later has her first child and Mary becomes a grandmother and from that the Merovingian family came. Today many living people are descendants of Jesus, the son of god, and celebrate being the 99th generation of Jesus Christ.
He marries a prostitute named Mary Magdalene
There is absolutely nothing - zero, zip, zilch - in the scripture that would support that theory of Mary Magdalene. And the Gnostic texts - of which one is actually attributed to her, The Gospel of Mary - describe her as a much more central figure in the life of Jesus than the standard 4 synoptic ones.
Quote from: tekla on July 26, 2011, 07:23:29 PM
There is absolutely nothing - zero, zip, zilch - in the scripture that would support that theory of Mary Magdalene. And the Gnostic texts - of which one is actually attributed to her, The Gospel of Mary - describe her as a much more central figure in the life of Jesus than the standard 4 synoptic ones.
Okay, how about Mary being from the Royal Hasmonaean Lineage of Israel? And Jesus from the Royal Davidic Lineage of Judah? I'm working on writing my own bible and I want it to be a real page turner.
Well certainly any updating of the bible story needs what Hollywood would call 'a love interest' but I've also felt the story needs a wise-cracking sidekick for Jesus who is always getting into a jam that Jesus has to help him out of. That also lets Jesus play the straight-man to his well-meaning, yet goofy, pal. Sort of a religious Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy. I can even see Jesus using their famous tagline of Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into! It would make that whole passion thing a whole lot funnier.
Quote from: Zenda on July 25, 2011, 02:51:51 PM
The biblical silence about Jesus' lost years is one of the strangest hiatuses in history. It is a total silence about one of the greatest moralists in human history, covering seventeen years of Jesus' life between the ages of twelve and twenty-nine. Indeed, except for his birth and a singular account of Jesus as a twelve-year old in Jerusalem, there is silence about all but the last three years of his life. Why? Why did not Jesus' twelve disciples and his thousands of followers not comment on his life for twenty-nine of his thirty-two years?
I don't find it "one of the strangest hiatuses in history." Stop looking at it from our cultural prejudice of worshiping youth. It
could just have something to do with the Jewish custom of coming to adulthood at age 12, but not being allowed to be a teacher until age 30. Those 17 years were probably spent doing what we last saw him doing at age 12--listening to the rabbis and asking them difficult questions.
Who knows really? I wasn't there thousands of years ago and pretty much all of the ancient texts are open to interpretation and conjecture
It is rumored that Jesus strolled into town down to the temple and confounded the elders and scholars of the day... Maybe they got pissed off and ran his skinny butt out of town so he wondered about until he ended up in Kashmir where he developed an affinity for mountainous regions and long flowing robes
After several years he got bored and homesick and decided to go share what he had learned... He developed popularity with some folks, but not with everyone, particularly when he busted up the place while they were doing business... But since he wasn't such a cute youngster anymore and he was messing about with their livelyhood, people that were pissed off with him decided to kill him
But then his friends nursed him back to health and set him upon his mule that knew the way back to Kashmir... Thus the tie dye hippie culture was born
To the missing years thing: maybe he did leave town, got involved in some cult, was brainwashed by them, then returned to recruit new members to the cult. And along the way he forgot the locals don't take kindly to men saying they are the son of god. And if he had a Warren Jeffs/Wayne Bent kind of thing going, he had a corral of women and girls at his disposal for his favors. If the son of god thing didn't get the locals up in arms, the other thing certainly would.
So maybe he just lost touch with reality, and that's when the troubles began.
I think the new story is beginning to take shape. We could call it The Real Life of Jesus: Internet Version
When it comes to Jesus / yahshua i don't believe everything i read in the bible or should i say the interpretation of Yahshua's life in the bible as described by christianity. So yea i believe Yahshua traveled to other countries and sought truths and learned and shared those things with others as he traveled
Chrstianity has been distorted since its beginning and has split into over 37,000 variety's with a flavor for every persons views. However, there is now online probably a million other varieties that we need to be wary about.
Its basically about each person following their heart / conscience / free will
God is Love and love is God and we make a resting place for God / Love in our hearts / minds.
"Son of G-d" in Aramaic was used at the turn of the first millennium to indicate that a Rabbi that had acquired "enlightenment." It is said that Jesus was the illegitimate son of Joseph Pantera, a Jewish who served as a soldier in the Roman Army. His mother Mary later on married another Joseph who was a widower and who earned his living as a laborer. It is also said that Jesus worked as a laborer and that he was shun by his peer as a bastard. It is said that Jesus went to Cumran to enroll as a monk (Essene) but he did not last there. It said that he went to Egypt where he learned to be a magician. In Aramaic a magician was somebody who entertained with trick but who also healed with "magic."
If you read the "Young's " literal translation of the gospel of Mark you will find that nowere Jesus call himself G-d. The divinity of Jesus was a construct mostly perpetrated by Paul. So, you see Christianity is not the religion that Jesus preached, but a religion Paul made about Jesus.
Kate D
Believe it or else!
The Roman Empire's propaganda machine was focused on the sanctity of Jesus' and Mary's marriage. In order to accomplish their devious restructuring of Mary Magdalene's life from royal princess and Temple Priestess to prostitute, the Roman Empire censored information and used Essene titles to deliberately spread disinformation about Jesus' wife. Jesus came from the Royal Davidic Lineage of Judah. Mary Magdalene came from the Royal Hasmonaean Lineage of Israel.
And so it was that Mary Magdalene and Jesus' children were literally the uniting of Judah and Israel, once again. In this way, their children, if known, would have been used to rally the Jewish people into a rebellion for freedom from Rome. (Jesus warned the Jewish people that they did not have the power by themselves to overthrow Rome and they would be destroyed if they tried. However, a generation later, in 70 A.D., the Jewish people launched a full-scale rebellion. Jerusalem, along with the Temple of Solomon, was totally destroyed, and survivors of the massacre were sold as slaves.)
Jesus was aware that Rome would be looking for Mary and their children, thus together, they agreed that Mary should take Tamar to Gaul for safety in 44 A. D. Tamar, the firstborn child and daughter of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, got off the boat with her mother and aunt in Gaul, or southern France. Tamar became a Mary at a young age, 11, with her Davidic and Hasmonaean Lineages. Martha of Bethany was Tamar's aunt, Mary Magdalene's sister, and a Mary by herself, thus this historic event is remembered in France as the arrival of the Tres Maries, or the Three Marys.
In addition to the 3 Maries/Marys there were 3 Js. Among those in the ship that carried the 3 Marys in Jesus' family, were guardians, together with the 3 Js, 7-year old Jesus Junior and infant Joseph, who was less than a year old. In their early teens, while Tamar studies with their mother and aunt, Jesus the younger and Joseph will travel widely, at separate times, with their uncle, James.
In 62 A.D., her brother-in-law, James, leaves Jerusalem and arrives in Gaul, to join Mary, Tamar and other family members, with his nephew Joseph, the youngest son of Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
In time, Tamar along with her brothers, Jesus the younger and Joseph, will have children and their descendants. The descendants will in time spread the DNA ancestral memories of Jesus with his Davidic Lineage and Mary with her Hasmonaean Lineage throughout Europe and later the world.
Website (http://www.thetruejesus.org/) (you can also take the DNA test to see if you are a direct descendant of Jesus and Mary)
Quote from: Julie Marie on July 27, 2011, 04:56:13 PM
Believe it or else!
The Roman Empire's propaganda machine was focused on the sanctity of Jesus' and Mary's marriage. In order to accomplish their devious restructuring of Mary Magdalene's life from royal princess and Temple Priestess to prostitute, the Roman Empire censored information and used Essene titles to deliberately spread disinformation about Jesus' wife. Jesus came from the Royal Davidic Lineage of Judah. Mary Magdalene came from the Royal Hasmonaean Lineage of Israel.
And so it was that Mary Magdalene and Jesus' children were literally the uniting of Judah and Israel, once again. In this way, their children, if known, would have been used to rally the Jewish people into a rebellion for freedom from Rome. (Jesus warned the Jewish people that they did not have the power by themselves to overthrow Rome and they would be destroyed if they tried. However, a generation later, in 70 A.D., the Jewish people launched a full-scale rebellion. Jerusalem, along with the Temple of Solomon, was totally destroyed, and survivors of the massacre were sold as slaves.)
Jesus was aware that Rome would be looking for Mary and their children, thus together, they agreed that Mary should take Tamar to Gaul for safety in 44 A. D. Tamar, the firstborn child and daughter of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, got off the boat with her mother and aunt in Gaul, or southern France. Tamar became a Mary at a young age, 11, with her Davidic and Hasmonaean Lineages. Martha of Bethany was Tamar's aunt, Mary Magdalene's sister, and a Mary by herself, thus this historic event is remembered in France as the arrival of the Tres Maries, or the Three Marys.
In addition to the 3 Maries/Marys there were 3 Js. Among those in the ship that carried the 3 Marys in Jesus' family, were guardians, together with the 3 Js, 7-year old Jesus Junior and infant Joseph, who was less than a year old. In their early teens, while Tamar studies with their mother and aunt, Jesus the younger and Joseph will travel widely, at separate times, with their uncle, James.
In 62 A.D., her brother-in-law, James, leaves Jerusalem and arrives in Gaul, to join Mary, Tamar and other family members, with his nephew Joseph, the youngest son of Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
In time, Tamar along with her brothers, Jesus the younger and Joseph, will have children and their descendants. The descendants will in time spread the DNA ancestral memories of Jesus with his Davidic Lineage and Mary with her Hasmonaean Lineage throughout Europe and later the world.
Website (http://www.thetruejesus.org/) (you can also take the DNA test to see if you are a direct descendant of Jesus and Mary)
As i have said many times that constantine has distorted the truth and today christianity has 37,000 flavors all divided
My signature over at beginninglife = Life here on earth is but a dream of the true spiritual world from whence we came and to where we will return