I dont think jealous is the word i mean...but yea
Pre everything as i am, im a pretty confident outgoing guy...but once im on T and/or get top surgery...I know for a fact ill be a lot like this guy
I already am but i jus wish i could be more comfortable...
Sorry if this is a lame ass post. ->-bleeped-<-s jus gettin to me hard lately
http://youtu.be/7Cv84Q_kQz0 (http://youtu.be/7Cv84Q_kQz0)
Are you ever jealous of cisguys or post op guys?
all the time.
Definitely.
Not douchey seeming ones like the guy in that vid.
Yup. I'm like a jealous little kid.
im rather jealous of cis guys especially the guys who dont deserve the body they where born with. im a bit envious of some trans guys but i also am happy for them.
I get pretty jealous, but at the same time, I do feel happy for post-ops. It's like, "My time will come~ but I really can't wait for it to come grr"
Even being post-op I am jealous of cisguys. I still feel my body is shaped like a woman because of my hip fat. T hasn't really distributed it to my stomach. I was so obsessed with my chest that I didn't think anything else was making me look female. I realized now I should have got hip lipo at the same time as my chest surgery. I regret not thinking about it sooner.
But when I was pre-op I was extremely jealous of cisguys and trans guys with A or B cups since I was about a DD.
Kal(eb): buddy you look better now pre-t and pre-op than I ever will hahah.
Im not really jealous of post-up guys, because I know there mess, and there been working hard to get so far.
I personally feel its to much trouble for to little use so im okay being pre-up.
but im pretty jealous of cis-guys.
I feel it the biggest prove im trans is my jealousy because I honestly dont know whats make me trans only when I see guys going around in swims trucks with naked cheast, or a father having a kid who is his own, or a man who look femenine but still no one is in doubt that he is a man..
then I feel kinda cheated for something >:(
I think I'm more jealous of trans guys with smaller chests, and trans guys with more facial hair while at the same point on hormones.
Quote from: Nygeel on July 27, 2011, 11:13:24 AM
I think I'm more jealous of trans guys with smaller chests, and trans guys with more facial hair while at the same point on hormones.
This.
more like envy
Quote from: LordKAT on July 27, 2011, 11:40:46 AM
more like envy
Yea, I couldn't think of the right word.
The only thing that makes me jealous about other guys is voice. I work with a guy who's the same age as me and I'm really not sure what he thinks of me, but I think he's creeped out by me because of it.
I think I avoid talking and socializing at work more than I normally would because I'm so paranoid about my voice.
So I'm sure once I am on T and have been on it for the better part of a year I'll be fine, but that's a long ass time.
I'm jealous of FtMs. As strange as it sounds, in my head I feel like FtMs are superior to everyone... I think all the time that I wish I were going FtM than MtF.
For some reason I've always been compelled to want to be female... it's not even that my life as a guy was so bad, it's just that I feel female. I am much happier now as a girl, but I've always wished that since I am trans, I would be going from Female to Male instead of MtF
A few months back I decided to detransition (I eventually stopped and went back to being female), and somebody even asked me if I was just beginning to transition from female to male. It was sorta exciting to hear that, but I explained otherwise. It's just I dislike women (not all, but most of them) so much, that to me it's like why in the world do I want to be one?
Quote from: anibioman on July 27, 2011, 04:56:29 AM
im rather jealous of cis guys especially the guys who dont deserve the body they where born with. im a bit envious of some trans guys but i also am happy for them.
I feel the same way.
I can't really explain it without sounding incredibly sexist and douchey, but there was one 'guy' I knew that just...disgusted me. I wanted to kill him in his sleep, cut off his downstairs and keep it for myself.
I'm really envious of cisguys' socialization. Is that weird? haha
like I have to work so hard at 18 to figure out how I'm supposed to relate to people and things I should know (and what degree of reaction to have should something hit me in the groin :(). I generally just "be myself" but at the same time because I'm stealth it's not worth screwing up something every normal 6 year old should know.
I am always jealous of guys who either just had surgery or cis guys who don't need surgery
I saw a post a few days ago on tumblr of a 15 year old trans guy who had top surgery, you have no idea how frustrated and envious I was
Yes all the time.
Quote from: Elijah on July 27, 2011, 03:42:58 PM
I am always jealous of guys who either just had surgery or cis guys who don't need surgery
I saw a post a few days ago on tumblr of a 15 year old trans guy who had top surgery, you have no idea how frustrated and envious I was
what was his name?
Quote from: Elijah on July 27, 2011, 03:42:58 PM
I am always jealous of guys who either just had surgery or cis guys who don't need surgery
I saw a post a few days ago on tumblr of a 15 year old trans guy who had top surgery, you have no idea how frustrated and envious I was
ugh I know I shouldnt complain because I did just have surgery so I'm definitely not ungrateful but if I had known three and a half years ago that top surgery was an option, yet alone HAD IT DONE then I probably would have evaded a month in a mental hospital, a drug addiction, and two suicide attempts...
Quote from: VannaSiamese on July 27, 2011, 01:20:01 PM
I'm jealous of FtMs. As strange as it sounds, in my head I feel like FtMs are superior to everyone... I think all the time that I wish I were going FtM than MtF.
For some reason I've always been compelled to want to be female... it's not even that my life as a guy was so bad, it's just that I feel female. I am much happier now as a girl, but I've always wished that since I am trans, I would be going from Female to Male instead of MtF
A few months back I decided to detransition (I eventually stopped and went back to being female), and somebody even asked me if I was just beginning to transition from female to male. It was sorta exciting to hear that, but I explained otherwise. It's just I dislike women (not all, but most of them) so much, that to me it's like why in the world do I want to be one?
Yeah that sounds creeper-ish
Quote from: Elijah on July 27, 2011, 03:42:58 PM
I am always jealous of guys who either just had surgery or cis guys who don't need surgery
I saw a post a few days ago on tumblr of a 15 year old trans guy who had top surgery, you have no idea how frustrated and envious I was
Can you link to that post?
I've been following along with this but just now watched the video. As to the comments on that: I've seen some other videos from that guy and, while I don't know him in person, I'm willing to bet he doesn't normally act very much like that. I think he was just messing around for a class presentation (which that was: he had to sign the lyrics to a song). A lot of people act a little different when giving a presentation in class because they're nervous at some level. Plus, why not jazz things up a bit rather than just stand there signing? Have a little fun with it.
As to the question at hand: I used to get jealous in a way until I realized that it really was not at all productive and there was no point wasting the energy. Now I guess the closest is, as LordKAT first said, envy -- though not in the bitter, resentful sort of way.
Not so much post-op guys -- them I see as being more inspiration for what is possible than anything else. I've experienced it a little with cis women/cis girls in the "it'd be easier to pass if I had that body shape" sort of way or something more along those lines. For cis guys though, yea, I'll see certain traits and whatever and wish I had them or hope I have them after long enough time on T. I try not to dwell too much on it unless looking at myself in the mirror, or generally, and picking the things that I wish were different or that I hope will change. Even then I usually have to cut things short because I start to feel ugly, haha. Sometimes I do allow a little dwelling though. Oddly enough, it doesn't tend to cause real dysphoria for me unless I'm already dysphoric or really picking myself apart.
Quote from: RyanThomas on July 27, 2011, 03:39:15 PM
I'm really envious of cisguys' socialization. Is that weird? haha
like I have to work so hard at 18 to figure out how I'm supposed to relate to people and things I should know (and what degree of reaction to have should something hit me in the groin :(). I generally just "be myself" but at the same time because I'm stealth it's not worth screwing up something every normal 6 year old should know.
I feel that a lot. I wish I was better at socializing with other men. It's hard for me because I had no real "father-figure" growing up. While I have had several male friends (including several best friends), I don't know how a mature, young man is supposed to act. It's also frustrating when I need advice from an older guy, I have no one to turn to.
Quote from: Andy8715 on July 27, 2011, 05:00:41 PM
Yeah that sounds creeper-ish
Can you link to that post?
http://transbodypride.tumblr.com/post/8048530323/im-drew-im-15-and-just-had-top-surgery-last (http://transbodypride.tumblr.com/post/8048530323/im-drew-im-15-and-just-had-top-surgery-last)
Not really sure how I feel about a 15 year old having top surgery but I'm glad he feels good about his body.
Quote from: Andy8715 on July 27, 2011, 02:45:53 AM
Not douchey seeming ones like the guy in that vid.
Ha that's what I was about to say ...
Seriously though, who wouldn't be jealous of a fully functioning dick?
ETA: Yes i realize not EVERYONE feels the need to have one. But, my snarky humor aside, I feel I got ripped off in that department because it's not all the way there. No use fixating on it now, 30 some years after the fact, but I can still throw it out there as a "wouldn't it have been neat ..." kinda thing.
Quote from: insideontheoutside on July 27, 2011, 06:23:21 PM
Ha that's what I was about to say ...
Seriously though, who wouldn't be jealous of a fully functioning dick?
Not all trans dudes feel the want or even need for a dick that resembles that of most cis men's dicks. Yeah sometimes I feel it would make my life easier but most of the time I'm ok with the fact that I don't have one and I don't spend all my days dreaming of having a dick standard to what most cis male's have or anything because I know that is an unrealistic expectation and I just don't really care.
Um...I have a dick and it's fully functioning by my standards.
Quote from: Nygeel on July 27, 2011, 06:32:27 PM
Um...I have a dick and it's fully functioning by my standards.
Yeah I changed the wording in mine. Wasn't really thinking at the time, I do have a dick but it's not what most would call "standard"
Quote from: Andy8715 on July 27, 2011, 06:43:54 PM
Yeah I changed the wording in mine. Wasn't really thinking at the time, I do have a dick but it's not what most would call "standard"
I think mine is pretty standard, but most people don't think of it that way.
Either way, I'm happy with my bits.
I don't believe mine is standard as far as what society believes but it's ok by me.
Quote from: Andy8715 on July 27, 2011, 06:26:52 PM
Not all trans dudes feel the want or even need for a dick that resembles that of most cis men's dicks. Yeah sometimes I feel it would make my life easier but most of the time I'm ok with the fact that I don't have one and I don't spend all my days dreaming of having a dick standard to what most cis male's have or anything because I know that is an unrealistic expectation and I just don't really care.
Bully for you.
Quote from: insideontheoutside on July 27, 2011, 07:07:16 PM
Bully for you.
No need to get hostile, just saying, generalizations about the trans community are no one's friend.
isn't true transsexualism defined by the want or need or whatever for total congruency of your body and gender identity? like under the standards of care isn't the want or need to have the "intended" genitals a prerequisite? this isn't one of those "->-bleeped-<-r than thou" posts but i can't imagine being a man who has little or no desire for a penis, or a woman with little or no desire for a vagina. the genitals don't define the person by any means, but i thought that transsexualism was defined by that criteria. trans* and all of the various nontraditional gender expressions, no, but transsexualism yes, right?
I get more jealous of transguys who have had blockers to stop the changes more than I get jealous of guys who have had surgery :P
Quote from: Andy8715 on July 27, 2011, 07:33:10 PM
No need to get hostile, just saying, generalizations about the trans community are no one's friend.
I wasn't (seriously, there'd be no mistaking it if I was "hostile") - that's good you can view it like that.
Quote from: harlee on July 28, 2011, 01:11:59 AM
I get more jealous of transguys who have had blockers to stop the changes more than I get jealous of guys who have had surgery :P
This, though I can't help but feel some jealousy towards guys who have had surgery because mine will be a few years away unfortunately.
I hate seeing young boys. Absolutely hate it. I know they get to live their childhood as the correct gender and I can't ever get that back. They won't have to fight tooth and nail for the simplest of things like being called the right name, the right pronouns, wearing the right clothes, getting raised with the social skills expected of them, and of course never having to have surgery/hormones to fix their body. What I want is so simple and so basic. I don't understand why I wasn't born the way I was meant to be. Sometimes I wish I could just start over and be born as a little boy and be normal. I know I was born a boy but you know what I mean.
Quote from: Mr.Rainey on July 28, 2011, 02:35:25 AM
I hate seeing young boys. Absolutely hate it. I know they get to live their childhood as the correct gender and I can't ever get that back. They won't have to fight tooth and nail for the simplest of things like being called the right name, the right pronouns, wearing the right clothes, getting raised with the social skills expected of them, and of course never having to have surgery/hormones to fix their body. What I want is so simple and so basic. I don't understand why I wasn't born the way I was meant to be. Sometimes I wish I could just start over and be born as a little boy and be normal. I know I was born a boy but you know what I mean.
kinda the same but it more like I hate to see guys around my own age and all they can do as I cant, and all the changes they already got..
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I am also jelous when seeing cis-gender guys who get children, and that kind of things.
its not like i'm the type who really do wish to get children, maybe allitle but Its complicated,
i'm fighting for equal rights and people having free choice so it bugging me why I cant have the same.
Quote from: RyanThomas on July 27, 2011, 07:50:27 PM
isn't true transsexualism defined by the want or need or whatever for total congruency of your body and gender identity? like under the standards of care isn't the want or need to have the "intended" genitals a prerequisite? this isn't one of those "->-bleeped-<-r than thou" posts but i can't imagine being a man who has little or no desire for a penis, or a woman with little or no desire for a vagina. the genitals don't define the person by any means, but i thought that transsexualism was defined by that criteria. trans* and all of the various nontraditional gender expressions, no, but transsexualism yes, right?
I don't know. It's not that I don't want to have a penis similar to cismales, because I do... it's that, like Andy, I also feel that it is an unrealistic expectation. What is the point of getting so depressed over something you can never achieve? You just gotta make the best with what you've got sometimes and move on. And in a couple of years who knows I might have bottom surgery, I might not, but I still consider myself transsexual. Just because I won't let my downstairs situation ruin my life doesn't mean I'm not.
For me, personally I feel there are worse things (in my life) that I need to worry about.
Quote from: Mr.Rainey on July 28, 2011, 02:35:25 AM
I hate seeing young boys. Absolutely hate it. I know they get to live their childhood as the correct gender and I can't ever get that back. They won't have to fight tooth and nail for the simplest of things like being called the right name, the right pronouns, wearing the right clothes, getting raised with the social skills expected of them, and of course never having to have surgery/hormones to fix their body. What I want is so simple and so basic. I don't understand why I wasn't born the way I was meant to be. Sometimes I wish I could just start over and be born as a little boy and be normal. I know I was born a boy but you know what I mean.
oh God YES. YES YES YES.
I'm envious of any cis-male though. No matter what age or whatever but young boys are the worst for me. I also find myself envious of cis- females as they are happy with being assigned female.
This all really tears and tears away at me.
I'm messed up really.
Hell yeah.
I walked past a couple guys playing tennis with really tight shirts on at our school once and couldn't help kind of staring in envy...My girlfriend looked at me and was like 'You're wishing after their bodies aren't you'
"No-oo...."
Naturaly feminine cis guys who don't have issues being seen as male?
->-bleeped-<- YES.
>.< I'm a queer boy, and I'm find with that, but being a tad on the effiminate side hinders passing.
Post op guys on hormones I'm envous.
Young trans guys who are out to their parents and transitioning in school/stealth in school. I could have that, that could be me now. It's one of my biggest dreams to go to school as Adam and to not have to wear a skirt. And I know that the chances of that happening is about 2%, I'm not out and our new headmaster seems to be at least slightly homophobic. I'm also an out "lesbian" there.
I'm also jealous of cis-guys, it makes seeing my boyfriend a little weird, theres the bit which is attracted to him and then the bit with wants to be him. It's odd, but he understands.
I thought I was alone! I'm happy :) for them but at the same time I think why can't that be me? :'(
I would have said yes a few months ago, but now not so much. The only envy I feel here is that there are some hella nice jeans, slacks and suits for guys here, but my hips prevent me from buying them. So, really it is just envy of people with smaller hips that me. But - I can fit into the husband's old slacks so there may be hope one day... :laugh:
Oh yes. My hips/thighs aren't even that bad, but when I see a dude with a slim pelvis and natural little stick legs I'm just like... dammit.
Yeah, maybe more so lately. I don't know though it could just be youth and not really guys but I am not thinking this seeing young lovely girls. I recall the first time I felt like this seeing three really young guys jogging without shirts.
--Jay J
Quote from: Mr.Rainey on July 28, 2011, 02:35:25 AM
I hate seeing young boys. Absolutely hate it. I know they get to live their childhood as the correct gender and I can't ever get that back. They won't have to fight tooth and nail for the simplest of things like being called the right name, the right pronouns, wearing the right clothes, getting raised with the social skills expected of them, and of course never having to have surgery/hormones to fix their body. What I want is so simple and so basic. I don't understand why I wasn't born the way I was meant to be. Sometimes I wish I could just start over and be born as a little boy and be normal. I know I was born a boy but you know what I mean.
This sums up how I feel pretty nicely.
Funny, I'm jealous of all you younger guys who will get to live the majority of your life as men and not have a huge F history to haunt you at every turn.
Jay
I am. But I'm also jealous of pre-op guys who are completely sure they want to transition. I just wish I was sure of myself so I'd know what direction my life is going. Right now I'm just passing as male everywhere, even class at school. But I'm always thinking, what if I'm not. If I'm not trans* I can't live my life as male forever, it wouldn't make sense, or even work. le sigh.
Yes to both. I think for me it wouldn't be such a huge issue if my chest wasn't as big as it is. If I was smaller I could hide it more and think about it less. I'm most dysphoric about my chest. I'm envious of cisguys because of their penis' and not having to take hormones and not having to spend 6k+ on surgery. It just sucks....