Why hormones doesn't seem to work at all for some?
I embarked in that journey when I saw others having big boobs, great hips etc...but as for me my boobs stayed flat after 2 years, just a slight hump and nipples more pointy and and no hips at all.
I even suggested my endo to prescribe me the most potent form of hormones and I tried Premarin & Ethinylestradiol for 3 months each but no avail. Finally I got back taking my injectable Estradiol Valerate which seems to be the safest and less mess mentally & emotionally. In fact when I realize, I don't even know why I keep on taking it despite I know it brings nothing to me.
The only positive change is my hair started growing finer and more feminine texture, skin smoother, mentally more confident, less dysphoria, less body hair, light facial feminization but besides that I don't see any changement. Even the mental effects I don't even know whether it's the hormones itself or just me psychologically thinking I am more woman when I take it.
Am I the only one whom hormones is a total failure?
Dosage is as critical to the individual result as the medication itself...some bodies simply need more than the usual dosages prescribed to transsexual patients. Similarly, some patients do not do well on some meds...that was how I wound up on Estinyl all those years ago even as people were describing it as some evil incarnate...but that was the only medication that worked for me in terms of any substantial development.
Sad Girl,
* Am I the only one whom hormones is a total failure? *
NO YOU ARE OF COURSE NOT! Cheer up, no reason for sadness.
I recall reading in some survey ~ 80% of transwomen will sooner or later go for breast augmentation (BA).
Also it is indicated to wait minimum 1 year on HRT better, at least 2 years.
The 2 t-girls I know personally, the one young, age 23 went for BA after 3.5 years HRT and after BA is a 36C, the other past age 50 is flat, an A cup at best, size 34 I guess.
That is VERY little. She had orchie years ago and was MANY years on Ethynylestradiol (EE, BC pills).
Myself at 15 month HRT, am about an A cup, size 38. Normal bra-sizes for size 38 mostly start with a B cup and going up to E!
Not that I would want any such a load hang of my chest. Just to mention it though.
Axelle
Estradiol pills didn't work at all for me.. only to a small extent. Used them for the first few months of my transition and then switched to progynon depot(injectable form of estradiol valerate), something that I suggested to my practitioner. The results since then, have been AMAZING!!!
Hope helps!!!
<3 <3,
Cheryl
Quote from: babydoll on August 14, 2011, 04:49:12 PM
Estradiol pills didn't work at all for me.. only to a small extent. Used them for the first few months of my transition and then switched to progynon depot(injectable form of estradiol valerate), something that I suggested to my practitioner. The results since then, have been AMAZING!!!
Hope helps!!!
<3 <3,
Cheryl
Would you feel comfortable posting some pics? :) If you dont mind me asking
Is Progynon Depot the same as Estradiol Valerate? Where are you from? UK or US?
Quote from: babydoll on August 14, 2011, 04:49:12 PM
Estradiol pills didn't work at all for me.. only to a small extent. Used them for the first few months of my transition and then switched to progynon depot(injectable form of estradiol valerate), something that I suggested to my practitioner. The results since then, have been AMAZING!!!
Hope helps!!!
<3 <3,
Cheryl
Would you be willing to elaborate on your experience here?
"Am I the only one whom hormones is a total failure?
I would not call your results a failure, I would just say that they did not live up to your own expectations. I feel a little the same in regards to my results. I started HRT on my own at 16, and I had read so much information that if you start young, you should attain your best breast growth that could be up to one cup size lower then your parent (mother).....if this was the case I'd have a full B and would not be getting breast augmentation in November. I got ok results, but after over 10 years and starting as young as I did, I expected a lot more. The look of my hips also improved, but I never got the really feminine hips I always wanted to have. The results I got are in the female range, but as you did, I hoped for so much more.
Jenna Nicole what about your voice, your body and your face? How would you describe the changes?
Quote from: marelivki on August 17, 2011, 02:27:54 AM
Jenna Nicole what about your voice, your body and your face? How would you describe the changes?
I guess it helped with my voice. I still took the time to get it right before I started living full time by calling into internet talk radio shows to work on it. But I believe the hormones did help with that, as my voice sounds naturally feminine, when before I transitioned it did not. As for other changes, I had some body fat re-distribution towards the hips and back end....a little.....it was improved. I also got a little more shape to my face, and overall my skin got a bit softer. Most of all the changes I got came in the first 12-16 months on the medication. The one and most important thing I forgot to mention in regards to how the hormones helped me, was that starting as early as I did prevented me from having to get electrolysis on my face, as I caught things just before it started to come in. So while I did not get all the results I hoped, they did help make my transition easier for me.
i think it all depends on you i suggest change your endo that might help. because i am 2 months with hrt and have had amazing hip widening so much i can't actually walk like i used to and well have half a A cup and i am on finpecia spiro and estrogen pills tho once i am bumped to max estrogen i will do the cheaper safer injections. the moral a good endo could do wonders to:)
Do you maybe have pictures? I hope we don't expect too much ;)
Quote from: marelivki on August 18, 2011, 02:23:16 AM
Do you maybe have pictures? I hope we don't expect too much ;)
LOL
At some point I have to dig out a picture of me when I was a Celtics ball boy at 15....that was just before I started to realize things and head towards the hormone route 6 months later. That before to now is a good transformation :D
Were you on Spiro or some other kind of blocker as well? Like most said, Dosages count alot and injections tend to have greater changes to show for itself than Estradiol.
Quote from: Hayley Rivka on August 23, 2011, 01:00:17 PM
Were you on Spiro or some other kind of blocker as well? Like most said, Dosages count alot and injections tend to have greater changes to show for itself than Estradiol.
Sadly they aren't available everywhere :(
true they are the best option try see if you can get injections
I hoped I could get them in UK but then I read that in UK they offer these trans-dermal things you stick into your skin
this may sound a bit stupid but im sorry im new to all of this too and i want the same and well... jsut trying to throw some ideas ok
it crossed my mind while i was starting, i was on diet before i started hormones. i was losing weight basically. then at some point i realized how am i gonna gain boobs and hips when tehyre made of fat and im not gaining any. since then i started eating ehm... a lot. im still ok my body seems to burn em decently. im just on my 3rd month with the spiro and 4 with the estro and no progesterone. i have a small lump now. its soooo tiny taht some people make fun of it coz its just like some hump. but hey if its gonna grow consistently then i guess this is working.
now im just trying to figure how to prevent the fat gain from going to my belly.
may we all have the boobs that we just soooo want!
Don't increase your calorie intake in order to gain boobs. The hormones redistribute what you have, going for increased fat or size will not help you at all. you will just be fat.
Sorry
Cindy
Quote from: Cindy James on August 28, 2011, 03:45:06 AM
Don't increase your calorie intake in order to gain boobs. The hormones redistribute what you have, going for increased fat or size will not help you at all. you will just be fat.
Sorry
Cindy
so my tummy will become my boobs ?
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 28, 2011, 04:04:43 AM
so my tummy will become my boobs ?
Really small chance for that : - ( Most of transsexual women end up having no boobs, or very small ones... Your tummy fat won't disappear until you work on it.
Only way to lose fat. Less energy in, more energy out. Boobs will develop with what they need. Eating a hamburger will do nothing for boob size.
Sadly :laugh:
Cindy
Quote from: Cindy James on August 28, 2011, 04:51:30 AM
Only way to lose fat. Less energy in, more energy out. Boobs will develop with what they need. Eating a hamburger will do nothing for boob size.
Sadly :laugh:
Cindy
well i wish i know that about 20 cheese burgers ago ! :D at least they tasted good :)
Quote from: Cindy James on August 28, 2011, 03:45:06 AM
Don't increase your calorie intake in order to gain boobs. The hormones redistribute what you have, going for increased fat or size will not help you at all. you will just be fat.
Sorry
Cindy
That is so true. I have been on hormones for 2 years.Over the last 15 months i have lost over 100 lbs. My breasts have developed rather nicely.
Quote from: Tracy Stevens on August 28, 2011, 03:23:33 PM
That is so true. I have been on hormones for 2 years.Over the last 15 months i have lost over 100 lbs. My breasts have developed rather nicely.
but then again i am only 113lbs... so maybe diff for me?
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 28, 2011, 03:29:17 PM
but then again i am only 113lbs... so maybe diff for me?
Well I don't think it has as much to do with weight as it might be size. You can be 113lbs and very short, and still have fat that can be moved around....but if you just have a very slender frame it could be. I started at around 150lbs and lost weight on hormones to about 135lb. I just never got the results the myth says about one size smaller breasts then your parent, or the hips I desired. If I had more weight to through around, it might of impacted the hips more....boobs, I'm not sure of
Quote from: JennaNicole on August 28, 2011, 03:45:36 PM
Well I don't think it has as much to do with weight as it might be size. You can be 113lbs and very short, and still have fat that can be moved around....but if you just have a very slender frame it could be. I started at around 150lbs and lost weight on hormones to about 135lb. I just never got the results the myth says about one size smaller breasts then your parent, or the hips I desired. If I had more weight to through around, it might of impacted the hips more....boobs, I'm not sure of
oh but i am 5'5.5'' and look like a twig :-\
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 28, 2011, 03:59:34 PM
oh but i am 5'5.5'' and look like a twig :-\
What size was your Mum or sisters? Rule of boob seems to be one size less for us girls on the 'mones.
Cindy
I've been doing a lot of walking and have noticed the "male" fat has started to disappear from my upper abdomen and "love handles", but my hips, bum, and thighs have all filled out very slightly.
Breast growth has been modest but steady, with the left larger, although the right has just started to catch up. I will give it another month and see if my weight has changed at all.
Karen.
Quote from: Cindy James on August 29, 2011, 03:27:18 AM
What size was your Mum or sisters? Rule of boob seems to be one size less for us girls on the 'mones.
Cindy
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That is such a myth. My mom is a D cup, with a small frame.....and I've been on hormones for 10 years....and got a full A. Sometimes your just ment to have small boobs.....unless you go out and do something about it.
Quote from: Cindy James on August 29, 2011, 03:27:18 AM
What size was your Mum or sisters? Rule of boob seems to be one size less for us girls on the 'mones.
Cindy
moms a GG cup :-\
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That is such a myth. My mom is a D cup, with a small frame.....and I've been on hormones for 10 years....and got a full A. Sometimes your just ment to have small boobs.....unless you go out and do something about it.
i am kinda glad i would h8 to have a G cup :o
well thats good news then for me, so that means i can get back to my diet and lose weight again. i am planning on getting back on my gym thing so good timing for the info
Quote from: Sad Girl on August 14, 2011, 07:55:15 AM
Am I the only one whom hormones is a total failure?
Nope, the only part of HRT I can tolerate is the spiro. I have horrible side effects from the various types of E I have tried. Honestly, if taking all that E isn't helping, maybe just stick with some spiro/t blocker and not have the health risks of E if it's doing nothing for ya. I'm actually getting some development from just the spiro but not expecting miracles.
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 29, 2011, 02:27:40 PM
moms a GG cup :-\
i am kinda glad i would h8 to have a G cup :o
Ya....I don't think a G cup would quite look right on a thin frame....
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Quote from: JennaNicole on August 30, 2011, 09:56:45 AM
Ya....I don't think a G cup would quite look right on a thin frame....
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i am below 20 so yea :) i should get a A to max B which are both fine for me :)
how can u get estradiol valerate with out a docs permission.I thought babout trying to start on my own but would likje to find out more info on it anywhere to look on here to find out more info
Quote from: kimberly fox on August 31, 2011, 07:38:56 AM
how can u get estradiol valerate with out a docs permission.I thought babout trying to start on my own but would likje to find out more info on it anywhere to look on here to find out more info
the information exists, but you won't find a lot of guidance or assistance on this board (or most others) for self-medicating even when you have access to labs for bloodwork...
I know what ur feeling girl. I have been on HRT for a yr and half and not much either. Mine r'nt even sore anymore. At least when they were sore I felt as though they were still growing.....
i am sure I will do implants soon. But I will wait til at least the 2 yr point....
Quote from: Cindy James on August 28, 2011, 04:51:30 AM
Only way to lose fat. Less energy in, more energy out. Boobs will develop with what they need. Eating a hamburger will do nothing for boob size.
Sadly :laugh:
Cindy
So let me get this right, gaining weight wont help boobage or waist? Will it fill out my stick legs/arms atleast?
I'm 5'8.5 and a little bit below 130lbs.
I'm really underweight, I don't think I have fat to redistribute.
Quote from: Joeyboo~ :3 on August 31, 2011, 05:34:38 PM
So let me get this right, gaining weight wont help boobage or waist? Will it fill out my stick legs/arms atleast?
I'm 5'8.5 and a little bit below 130lbs.
I'm really underweight, I don't think I have fat to redistribute.
I'm still wondering about it myself. :laugh: At 5'11" and 120 pounds, I was pretty underweight when I started hormones, but not as bad as I was two years ago when I was only 100 pounds. Now I'm at 140 and a lot of the weight went straight into a stupid male pattern around my belly. Arms and legs are still sticks. Maybe it has to do with how fast I gained the weight (which was deliberate, eating about 5000 calories a day for four months) or maybe the fact that I haven't been on HRT long enough for the true magic to start. Who knows.
My doctor DID tell me a few weeks ago that I have a good deal more fat tissue in my breasts than she would have expected given how thin I still am, so maybe it worked? ;) It mostly wound up below the nipple too, so breasts are forming a round and not pointy shape. And I also sometimes forget that my belly juts out far more than most people's because of serious spinal curvature in that region, so perhaps I don't have as much belly fat as I suspect.
I could probably stand to gain another 10 pounds given my height, but that stupid anorexic part of my brain is already screaming at me for gaining back 1/3 of my body weight in the last two years. So I'll stop gaining here, see what the fat does, and consider gaining more in the future if I need to.
Quote from: Joeyboo~ :3 on August 31, 2011, 05:34:38 PM
So let me get this right, gaining weight wont help boobage or waist? Will it fill out my stick legs/arms atleast?
I'm 5'8.5 and a little bit below 130lbs.
I'm really underweight, I don't think I have fat to redistribute.
It really isn't so much of a true redistribution but rather a placement of 'new' fat.
A lack of caloric intake potentially helps with the waist, although the hips won't be helped without at least enough calories to maintain the body AND leave some to spread around. As far as boobage goes, that is a YMMV thing, with that being the area of the body that seems to increase or decrease quicker than any other part of the body where weight is a factor...
As far as legs and arms, I would HIGHLY suggest some toning exercises...one can do resistance work without 'bulking up.'
And as a caveat....be wary of what one wishes for when it comes to weight/fat distribution. I was a stick until around the age of 35 (basically between 119-125lbs despite being 5'11"). The weight slowly crept up over the next several years and I have had some people who know JUST how much I put on who still maintain I looked better now than I did at the lower weights. I've dropped about 15lbs over the past three months, mostly through exercise and some minor diet changes, but I found that it took a lot of definition from my legs and butt that had existed previously. Fortunately, I have NOT lost the weight from the boobage...something I attribute to the recent growth I saw MANY years post-op when we added the progesterone back into the mix.
I'm aiming for gaining at least 30 more pounds. I mean I have no problem working out and keeping everything 'toned'(lol) since I already do.
I guess it's just a common misconception since every girl i know who was on the big side had huge boobs.
And when they lost it all, they lost more than a cup size.
I'm hoping if I gain the weight, my thighs will widen, my chest(not boobs) will look more fleshy and not boney(you can literally see my bones), and just everything look more softer and 'feminine'.
???
Quote from: Joeyboo~ :3 on August 31, 2011, 11:12:13 PM
I'm aiming for gaining at least 30 more pounds. I mean I have no problem working out and keeping everything 'toned'(lol) since I already do.
I tend to make more reference to the toning component because of my age bracket...I do what I can to avoid having 'mom arms' and I also want to keep the legs in shape. I am careful about WHICH exercises I do though because I don't want to add any size to the upper back or shoulders. It is very much a focused regimen that I follow...
QuoteI guess it's just a common misconception since every girl i know who was on the big side had huge boobs.
And when they lost it all, they lost more than a cup size.
Not sure I could call it a misconception...but a lot of women who lose weight are also not doing it through exercise. And in a lot of cases, what they had in the breasts fell into the 'last pound on, first pound off' category. Meanwhile, I've been fortunate in that the change in med protocol, even though it is more than 15 years post-op, is adding some growth. So I am adding as naturally as possible to the chest while working diligently to subtract elsewhere.
QuoteI'm hoping if I gain the weight, my thighs will widen, my chest(not boobs) will look more fleshy and not boney(you can literally see my bones), and just everything look more softer and 'feminine'.
???
Give things time...best answer I can offer.
Agreed. After almost a year on Est, Spiro and Prog, i began with Natureday and finall had some results.