It is obvious that FTMs want what mtfs have and vice versa. Mtf's are terrified that people will notice their darkening five'o'clock chin. While FTMs would dance with joy if they had Desperate Dan's whiskers. FTMs do everything to disguise their breasts while mtfs want people to notice theirs.* FTMs sigh and wish that they could be taller and have broader shoulders while mts wail 'why did I have to be so tall? Why am I built like a American football player'?
Do you think 100+ years from now that science will be able to transfer heads from one body to another? In the future perhaps an ftm and an mtf could arrange to swap bodies? Then mtf's would only need to remove their facial hair and try and feminise their voices. FTMs would be in an even better position. They would have a functional penis(watch out that little chubby guy has a mind of its own, and can spring to life at embarrassing moments, you have to learn how to control it)the only downside for them would be their voices, at least initially.
So can you see this ever happening? Don't forget things thought impossible in the past can be done today. Space travel for example. Did you know that it used to take six months for the convict ships to sail from Britain to Australia? Today you can get there in under 24 hours, so anything is possible.
* not always and up to a point.
Yes! All of these things will be possible in 100 years! Sadly, I'll be dead of old age!
If the human population doesn't stop our world will be inundated from polution and lack of food etc etc and humans won't even be here.
google "crash course"
As for your question: I think people will be able to download their thoughts into a new body with a empty mind ready for the download. We will have new bodies we generate thru biotechnology. There will be no death unless a person decides to put their mental tape into a furnace and destroy it. There will not be any new births. Well maybe a few special peoples will be allowed to preserve the ability to reproduce as they do today. Those people will live in zoo type settings and the rest will just turn in their old bodies and get a new one and no one will look older than say 30 years old. The new bodies we get will all be about 18 yrs old ready for our downloads to last until they are about 30 yrs old. Only the rare ones living in zoo settings will be allowed to live like people today.
I honestly don't really like the idea. I like the concept of switching bodies.. but really - even if magically switched bodies with an FTM - I wouldn't be looking in the mirror at me anymore. I'd be looking at a stranger. I don't like that, it scares me a bit. No one would recognise me, or really be able to relate. The person I was would be permanently gone forever. No-one would see them again that knew me before the 'switch'. At least with a successful transition, you are still 'you', if that makes sense.
It won't come to those extremes anyway, because over the next hundred years - trans* people will gain equal rights with their cis counterparts. I predict a similar movement to that of the LGB and Women's movement from the 20th Century. Trans* people will be viewed as normal within society, and we will no longer be looked at with such disdain, such misunderstanding and discrimination from an ignorant public. Transitioning will be greeted with wide acceptance and the difficulties that face us today will not be an issue any more. ->-bleeped-<- will be studied extensively in school as a requirement - with no cissexism. Trans* people will be more prominent and influential in society.
Compare the acceptance of the LG community today with the 60s and 70s. There is far greater acceptance (at least in Western society) since then. Even though there are many issues for the LGB community to overcome in regards to equal treatment and marriage rights, they are in a far favourable position than the trans* people they claim to thoroughly support. We are misunderstood and discriminated against like no other. There is really no comparison between us and the LGB community.. We are still 30 years behind in regards to rights and equal treatment within our communities, within our nations, within the media etc etc.
Sounds like Ghost in the Shell. There's always good and bad together.
Sorry my mistake. What I meant was your head and neck would be surgically removed and transplanted on to your opposite genetic gender body. This would of course require a huge amount of skill on the part of the surgical team, just think of all those nerves that need to be connect? Your head and neck would be on the body of your ftm partner and his head would be attached to your body. It's a head transplant.
Just think if you could travel back in time and talk with our mtf sisters of 1911 and tell them that one day you could develop breasts, and remove facial hair and even remove your male genitals, they would not believe you for a moment. It would seem as unthinkable as head transplantation seems to us today. And yet we are living in a world were physical feminisation pills and surgery are commonplace.
I think a better way would be to grow a body with a blank mind in a tank, and then place your brain inside it. The body would have growth acceleration while in the tank, so a "20 year old" body would only take a few years to develop.
Of course such a thing would mainly be used by older people wanting young bodies so they could live longer, but trans people could make good use of it too.
Also, since this is the future and all, I would have a jetpack and a bowl of zero calorie bacon.
Quote from: Lily on September 06, 2011, 10:40:40 PM
a bowl of zero calorie bacon.
Don't concern yourself with calories or calorie counting. Fat will make you thin and carbohydrate will make you fat.
I'd rather just have my swarm of nanobots reconstruct my own body to my specifications. I've never liked the idea of switching with someone else, it wouldn't feel like it was mine no matter how long I lived in it.
Quote from: AmySmiles on September 06, 2011, 10:50:56 PM
I'd rather just have my swarm of nanobots reconstruct my own body to my specifications. I've never liked the idea of switching with someone else, it wouldn't feel like it was mine no matter how long I lived in it.
I would do that, too, except I'd change my last name to Jensen, and wear sunglasses ANY time of the day.
Maybe it's possible by than, but I think people who are living now are too impatience to wait for that surgical technology.
Quote from: Princess of Hearts on September 06, 2011, 08:58:42 PM
Sorry my mistake. What I meant was your head and neck would be surgically removed and transplanted on to your opposite genetic gender body. This would of course require a huge amount of skill on the part of the surgical team, just think of all those nerves that need to be connect? Your head and neck would be on the body of your ftm partner and his head would be attached to your body. It's a head transplant.
Well for me changing my head was the most expensive part. However, if i could have done it when i was younger like 13 that would have been ok. I cost a fortune from the neck up. 3 FFS 10 months of electro since i had redish blonde facial hairs and teeth cost me 3 times my GRS. The lower half was the least of my cost.
Quote from: AmySmiles on September 06, 2011, 10:50:56 PM
I'd rather just have my swarm of nanobots reconstruct my own body to my specifications. I've never liked the idea of switching with someone else, it wouldn't feel like it was mine no matter how long I lived in it.
Yes! Nano technology! The thing is, if everyone looked young and beautiful, subcultures would develop that would use the nano tech to make their bodies look old, or to modify their bodies in outlandish ways for shock value. Body fashion trends would develop and they would change as arbitrarily as clothing fashion trends. And if you could easily change what age your body looks, then people would probably change back and forth. Cis people would probably experiment with changing their sex as well, which would be interesting. Then you'd have the religious fundamentalists that would reject the technology and would mount terrorist attacks against all us nano-infused people.
well we are still waiting on the flying cars that the Jetsons said we would have by 2000, so maybe you can't really put an exact date on when something would happen, I think things would be very different like to transition you would get into this big tube standing up and these rings would go up and down and they would beam a "virus" into your body that would femininize your entire body over the course of about 2 years, I think it would be important to it be a gradual process , so that it would not induce shock to the body and allow the persons emotions to develop during the transition period, because I feel that transitioning is a journey.
This Virus would rewrite your DNA to change your gender in the DNA this would change in the first few days.
Your boy parts would start slowly turning into girl parts like 7 months in and would be completely female between 11 to 13 months in.
breasts would take the most time to reach full size.
I think having things this way would be more natural than just going from one gender to the other in a blink of an eye.
It would also work in reverse. so if a female wanted to became male she could, and if someone gets fully transitioned and realises it was a mistake they can go back.
To morbid to me, a lot of anti-rejection methods will apply there. The body changes alone are satisfying to me. We may not have the energy resources in the future to do such things. Out most efficient solar cells and wind turbine blades needs lots of fossil fuel energy to make and lots of real estate to generate energy. Fossil fuels still have more more energy available than wind or solar, which are weather dependant. Fossil fuel reserves are vast, but finite. Our world population will hit a peak then crash like lemmings and everything else in nature. This despite our brains.
Fooling with the genome will just make our gene pool much shallower and humankind may perish due to the lack of defenses the future human body will have against the ever changing threats to it. Homosexuality, transgender and even intersex will not be an issue in those times, the genome eugenics will take care of that. These defects will not be born nor be allowed to continue, like they used to destroy defective Thoroughbred puppies in the past.
Joelene
Kia Ora,
::) The way things are progressing so rapidly and what with all the chemicals floating around in our atmosphere, water, soil, etc... In a hundred years from now there might not be gender identity as we know it...
::) The concept of "I" will no longer exist, we will all be just pure unpolluted consciousness ;) ;D
Metta Zenda :)
Apparently scientists discovered a bacteria that can turn cellulosic materials, such as the vast amount of paper we throw out each year, into butanol, a gasoline alternative. Hooray for science!
http://news.yahoo.com/bacteria-now-turn-newspapers-gasoline-alternative-223348158.html (http://news.yahoo.com/bacteria-now-turn-newspapers-gasoline-alternative-223348158.html)
Quote from: valyn_faer on September 08, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
Apparently scientists discovered a bacteria that can turn cellulosic materials, such as the vast amount of paper we throw out each year, into butanol, a gasoline alternative. Hooray for science!
http://news.yahoo.com/bacteria-now-turn-newspapers-gasoline-alternative-223348158.html (http://news.yahoo.com/bacteria-now-turn-newspapers-gasoline-alternative-223348158.html)
yes it is amazing the wonders that science brings us. The fact that I am able to take hormones to feminize my body is due to Science , I am so happy for that.
Fat will make you thin and carbohydrate will make you fat.
Smoking is good for you, and drinking also improves your driving.
Quote from: Princess of Hearts on September 06, 2011, 04:44:10 PM
Do you think 100+ years from now that science will be able to transfer heads from one body to another? In the future perhaps an ftm and an mtf could arrange to swap bodies?
Well, it seems that a doctor is already going to try to do a head transplant in 2017: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/doctor-aims-perform-head-transplant-2017-experts-remain/story?id=33775323
There's a lot of skepticism though... Here's the full story:
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A team of researchers led by an Italian surgeon say they are planning to perform the first human head transplant in 2017 and have even recruited a volunteer, but experts remain skeptical of the experimental procedure.
Dr. Sergio Canavero, director of the Turin Advanced Neuromodulation Group, Turin, Italy, has proposed in two published medical articles that a head transplant is possible, thanks to new technology.
The technology allows for the body to be cooled during surgery and there are new tools that create a cleaner cut on the spinal cord and machines that allow people to be on bypass during surgery.
The team wants to go through with the procedure in December 2017, according to new reports on AFP and Central European News. One surgeon reportedly involved in the procedure, Dr. Ren Xiaoping, said the team will go through with the surgery only if future research supports their plan.
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When contacted by ABC News at the Turin Advanced Neuromodulation Group, a representative said no further information would be released until October.
Russian-born Valery Sprinidov has agreed to be the first patient to undergo the procedure, according to the AFP. Sprinidov reportedly has Werdnig-Hoffmann disease, which causes atrophy of the muscles.
However, experts in the U.S. say they are extremely skeptical that the procedure is feasible and say it would be unethical to perform the procedure when it hasn't been proven in earlier animal studies.
Dr. Thomas Cochrane, a director of neuroethics at the Center for Bioethics at Harvard Medical School, said those with experience in the field say it will be nearly impossible for Canavero and his team to create enough evidence in two years that would allow him to ethically go through with the procedure.
"Nobody believes it until he produces x, y and z [in] animals studies in particular," Cochrane told ABC News.
Even if surgeons were able to attach a head to new body and not have the transplant be rejected, it likely wouldn't lead to a better quality of life, Cochrane said.
"And we're not anywhere close to solving the problem of connecting the brain to spinal cord," Cochrane said. "Your only other option is to have a brain-computer interface that controls the body. We're not really close to that either."
Art Caplan, director of medical ethics at NYU Langone Medical Center in New York, questioned why the surgeons wanted to attempt such a difficult procedure, pointing out that if they had technology to fuse together spinal cords they could use it on patients paralyzed by spinal cord injuries to help them heal.
"If you do this, you wouldn't start with a head transplant. You'd start with spinal cord repair," Caplan said. "If you can make spinal cord work, you'd go fix them before doing this. ... I think the odds of this happening are slim to none."
Dr. Ren Xiaoping has been testing head transplants in mice, but the mice have not survived past a day, according to the Wall Street Journal.
Dr. Michael DeGeorgia, a neurologist at University Hospitals Case Medical Center, said without proper study and with Canavero grabbing headlines, he worries the story could overtake the actual science.
"It could take away from real science that is being done in this area," DeGeorgia said of the hype surrounding the procedure. "It's not completely out of the question that some type of head transplant could work [in the future.] It's just that there are so many barriers right now that would need to be overcome in order for the whole project to work."
DeGeorgia said should a head transplant work, it will likely occur in decades not just a few years.
Previously Canavero pointed to a 1970 operation where a surgeon at Case Western Reserve Medical Center transplanted the head of one rhesus monkey to another, as a reason the operation might work. However, that animal survived for 10 days on a ventilator before eventually dying, according to DeGeorgia. He said that the early procedure does not show how it could be successful in humans or even in animals for the long term.
"To try and fuse the tracks and neurological tracts and the axons and nerves in the spinal cord...that is right now, not possible," explained DeGeorgia.
If a doctor is going to be trying it in 2017... Even if he fails I imagine that we'll probably see it in our lifetimes (for those of us that are still young enough to live a few decades longer). I can't possibly imagine he could succeed though. Even if he manages to attach the head the spinal cord would likely not be possible to attach in any usable way due to scar tissue, and then there's the problem of rejection since the donor body is from an entirely different person.
Personally, I'd rather see a brain transplant into a new body, whether that body is biological or synthetic. If it were biological it'd be ideal if it were genetically engineered for the ideal appearance someone wants but completely brain dead and given accelerated growth. Synthetic Ghost in the Shell style bodies would be even more amazing, but that'll surely be in our later years if we see it at all, even for those of us still in our 20's.
The tough nut to crack will be decoding our brain (Molecular science + more) and figuring out what causes us to feel like this (actual differences in the brain not just "possible larger blah blah").
I'm a bit skeptical of the future.
It's 2015 Where is my flying car?
They have transplanted monkeys heads and done other weird experiments on monkeys such as one monkey remotely controller another monkeys body (they are connected to each others brain). The biggest problem is connecting all of the spinal nerves that the brain uses to transmit and receive signals.
I m a firm believer in technology and the economy. It will become too unproductive to have peoples knowledge and skills pass away. I think that our consciousness will be downloaded into some cloned body so that society can continue to benefit fro the accumulated knowledge etc...Of course only useful people like Paris Hilton, Donald Trump or the queen will be allowed to do this...LOL
I would honestly love to be able to pass my thoughts/consciousness into a new female body, that is my ultimate desire.
Thoughts like this had occurred to me.
They were different though. I was thinking of things like hip replacement and cross-sex genital transplantation. Imagine a young woman killed in a car accident and her parents crushed by not having offspring of their only child. But she signed a consent and her reproductive system is already being preserved for a matching MtF.
Also those of FtMs can be taken.
And vice versa. I would donate what I have down there if there was such option.
Like someone on the thread said, this here is my body. I take care of it and I know it. I wouldn't want to simply do an exchange, for the better or for the worse. I prefer to modify and take care of what I have got. And hey, I might change my mind in the future.
Thankfully I will be dead and gone by then so I won't care but that would be a freaky thought. Perhaps surgery will be easier to get this ugly penis removed to make a beautiful vagina.