mulan is by far the best disney movie except for the end when she goes back to being a girl and the beginning when she likes being a girl. still the best disney movie but 101 Dalmatians is a definitely second.
I always loved Mulan not because I thought she wanted to be a man but because when I was little she showed me just how awesome women could be because she went into the army and while she might have worn men's clothing and "pretended" there was no pretending how awesome she was. I don't think she ever identified as being male, at least not in the movie, but that was always ok with me :) Her cross-dressing was a means to an end to protect her family and her country, but she was awesome when she was in girl-mode and also when people thought she was a guy.
But if you didn't like those certain parts I wouldn't recommend watching the sequel to the first Mulan movie.
Some of my favorite disney moves are The Fox and the Hound, Mulan, The Lion King, Oliver and Company, Robin Hood and Lilo & Stitch.
bad ass women are just awsome, I always loved tomboys in movies and such, they somehow been the only kind of girls I could identify with myself,
(however they also makes me nervous because I start questionate why I couldnt just be a tomboy insteed-__-)
and I also love disney, and the little mermaid is a transgender movie
mulan used to be my favorite movie but i made my mom turn it off before they "found out she was a girl" or i would cry and have nightmares..... yet my parents never suspected anything
And they never made a faithful film of the sequel to The Wizard of Oz, because that's a transgender story too.
Quote from: Padma on September 12, 2011, 05:34:01 PM
And they never made a faithful film of the sequel to The Wizard of Oz, because that's a transgender story too.
Really? I've never read the books though I plan to some day.
Quote from: Natkat on September 12, 2011, 05:30:29 PM
bad ass women are just awsome, I always loved tomboys in movies and such, they somehow been the only kind of girls I could identify with myself,
(however they also makes me nervous because I start questionate why I couldnt just be a tomboy insteed-__-)
and I also love disney, and the little mermaid is a transgender movie
how is little mermaid a transgender movie?
Quote from: anibioman on September 12, 2011, 06:26:49 PM
how is little mermaid a transgender movie?
mermaid have been used for symbols of mtf's once in a while and I see the point.
the story of this girl who is born with a"tail" but who wish she just where a normal girl and could be with the girls on the earth, and with her wonderboy, and then transfrom into a human girl..
beside that H.C Andersend also got rumours to either be gay or transgender.
Quote from: Natkat on September 12, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
mermaid have been used for symbols of mtf's once in a while and I see the point.
the story of this girl who is born with a"tail" but who wish she just where a normal girl and could be with the girls on the earth, and with her wonderboy, and then transfrom into a human girl..
beside that H.C Andersend also got rumours to either be gay or transgender.
thats good to know, thanks.
I always loved Mulan and the direct-to-VHS sequel that barely anyone likes. It's a fantastic movie about an awesome girl doing awesome things. She's not a God Sue like in the original lore either.
The Little Mermaid! hands down my favorite. Jodi Benson's voice was so beautiful and the songs, just really spoke to me. I mean 'Part of your World'? It's a good analogy to wanting to be one of the girls. :P
My favourite Disney film is the Nightmare Before Christmas (Touchstone is Disney-owned, so technically a Disney film!). I loved The Iron Giant when I was a kid, and I also liked Pixar's films.
When I was a kid, I really liked the historical figures Joan of Arc and Swedish Queen Christina. Queen Christina might have been FTM or at least transgendered in some way, since she researched alchemy in order to transform herself into a man. She acted like a man, wore men's clothes and was excited when she got a uterine prolapse, as she interpretated the protrusion as her growing penis.
I've always been a Lion King fanboy. I never really cared either way for Mulan. I remember thinking the villain and the final fight scenes were pretty badass though.
I like aladdin, i wanted a magic lamp to take away my troubles. love nightmare before christmas too tho. i made my brothers watch it through october clear to january as a kid. i only saw mulan a handful of times, when they played it at school.
they made a second film for oz tho, its called return to oz, its pretty creepy. you can get it off of netflix. Dorthy(same one) goes to oz with her pet chicken( no toto) and they have to defeat this rock king and save the ruler of oz. I saw it as a kid and it creeped me out then and I rented it bout a year ago and it was even creapyer. weard how as a kid you miss some of the underlining stuff then when watching it later you cant beleive how you missed it.
Quote from: Keaira on September 13, 2011, 01:52:13 AM
The Little Mermaid! hands down my favorite. Jodi Benson's voice was so beautiful and the songs, just really spoke to me. I mean 'Part of your World'? It's a good analogy to wanting to be one of the girls. :P
I use to say that part of your world is a mtf song while im still here from tresure planet is a ftm song, however
I also feel alot from part of your world,
Quote from: BrandonJames on September 13, 2011, 05:02:30 PM
love nightmare before christmas too tho. i made my brothers watch it through october clear to january as a kid.
Me too! I watch it year-round; any time of year is a good time for The Nightmare Befoer Christmas. ;D
Quote from: BrandonJames on September 13, 2011, 05:02:30 PM
they made a second film for oz tho, its called return to oz, its pretty creepy. you can get it off of netflix. Dorthy(same one) goes to oz with her pet chicken( no toto) and they have to defeat this rock king and save the ruler of oz. I saw it as a kid and it creeped me out then and I rented it bout a year ago and it was even creapyer. weard how as a kid you miss some of the underlining stuff then when watching it later you cant beleive how you missed it.
I want to see this now, and I totally get what you mean about missing the subtleties in movies when one is young. :P
i dont think its up for instant play on netflix but here in socal they are pretty fast with the netflix if i turnin on monday i get new ones no later then thursday depending on holiday, we tracked it once, got 4 movies in one week.
The first Disney movie that I saw was Pinocchio, I think. I was around 3 maybe..? But my favorites are The Lion King, Oliver and Company, Pocahontas and Mulan.
For some reason, Disney movies always used to bore me. My cousin had EVERY Disney VHS back in the day, and when I stayed over she would watch the movies I hated the most. xD
Quote from: Andy8715 on September 12, 2011, 06:08:51 PM
Really? I've never read the books though I plan to some day.
The first (book) sequel to The Wizard of Oz is called The Marvellous Land of Oz, and follows the journey of the boy Tip with his magical companions. At the end of the story, it turns out he's really the Princess Ozma, who's been hidden as a baby by turning her into a boy. I was reading this at something like 7, totally fascinated by him asking if he'll be the same person once he's turned back into a girl, and whether his friends will still like him (of course, she turns out badass and rules the empire wisely and is a basically hot princess and her friends still love her :D). read it and weep - in a good way :).
i also really liked treasure planet and pinocchio i think i liked pinocchio because i could identify wanting to be a 'real boy'.
I just *finally* saw Mulan about a month ago, thanks to Ben, and that damn song made me cry. The mirror one? Yeah.
I choked up bad.
I'm a huge dork, me and Julie watch Hunchback of Notre Dame at least once a month, if not more. I just love the music in it. A lot.
Beauty and the Beast was always one of my favorites, too. 'Cause the whole "seeing past his creepy furryness" and all that. I think I always related with him a bit, being this total outcast and dubbed a monster, and then finally finding the person(s) who cared enough to invest some time into him. I still love that damn movie.
Quote from: anibioman on September 14, 2011, 01:55:46 PM
i think i liked pinocchio because i could identify wanting to be a 'real boy'.
my dad has a video of me at age 3 crying in front of the television saying "i want to be a real boy too". i found it a couple months ago
Quote from: N.Chaos on September 15, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
I just *finally* saw Mulan about a month ago, thanks to Ben, and that damn song made me cry. The mirror one? Yeah.
I choked up bad.
My best friend, who is MTF, loves this song, too. I saw some tears in her eyes when she watched it recently, too. I can understand why it strikes such a chord. :'( When will the outside reflect the inside? It has a lot of meaning to a lot of people.
Quote from: -Ryan- on September 15, 2011, 05:50:55 PM
my dad has a video of me at age 3 crying in front of the television saying "i want to be a real boy too". i found it a couple months ago
Wow, man. That's really sad.
Quote from: Sage on September 15, 2011, 08:38:17 PM
My best friend, who is MTF, loves this song, too. I saw some tears in her eyes when she watched it recently, too. I can understand why it strikes such a chord. :'( When will the outside reflect the inside? It has a lot of meaning to a lot of people.
Absolutely does. Mulan seems to be one of the more popular ones, I'd bet that tons of people (trans or otherwise) can relate to that feeling.
Aladdin was my favourite, he was my cartoon hero and I was crazy for Princess Jasmine when I was a kid.
My favorite Disney movie cartoon is The Lion King. Lately in my head I've been trying to see The Lion King in a trans related way.
Cinderalla, Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast were some of my faves, although the beast in Beauty and the Beast scared the poop out of me! :D
And they never made a faithful film of the sequel to The Wizard of Oz, because that's a transgender story too.
No, its not. It's a loose allegorical political fable about the Progressive/Populist Era. The author, L. Frank Baum also designed some of the first department store window displays, edited the first trade magzine for designers and wrote the first text on the subject, The Art of Decorating Dry Goods Windows and Interiors (1900) . He was a very strong supporter of women's suffrage, and wrote several stories of girls defying traditional gender roles. The real sequal to TWWoO had a feminist revoloution and promoted gender equity long before any such thoughts were popular.
As for follow ups, he only wrote 13 more Oz books and lots of Oz based short stories.
The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900)
The Marvelous Land of Oz (1904)
Queer Visitors from the Marvelous Land of Oz (1905, comic strip depicting 27 stories)
The Woggle-Bug Book (1905)
Ozma of Oz (1907)
Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz (1908)
The Road to Oz (1909)
The Emerald City of Oz (1910)
The Patchwork Girl of Oz (1913)
Little Wizard Stories of Oz (1913, collection of 6 short stories)
Tik-Tok of Oz (1914)
The Scarecrow of Oz (1915)
Rinkitink in Oz (1916)
The Lost Princess of Oz (1917)
The Tin Woodman of Oz (1918)
The Magic of Oz (1919, posthumously published)
Glinda of Oz (1920, posthumously published)
Quote from: Natkat on September 12, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
mermaid have been used for symbols of mtf's once in a while and I see the point.
the story of this girl who is born with a"tail" but who wish she just where a normal girl and could be with the girls on the earth, and with her wonderboy, and then transfrom into a human girl..
beside that H.C Andersend also got rumours to either be gay or transgender.
And how she can't speak or else she'll turn back into a mermaid? It's like how I can only pass as a girl if I don't use my voice. Otherwise I turn back into a man in their eyes.
Mind Blown.
I am in the minority. I hate Disney, but that is because I do not agree with the insane amount of propaganda they have been responsible for, and I do not like the image they put forth on genders. I hate that they men are always knights in shining armour, and that the women are portrayed as being slaves to their emotions. Not all movies follow this, but enough of them do. I also don't like the impossible standards they give to young children regarding romance and perfection. I dunno, maybe I am just a jerk and maybe I am too used to analyzing things as a historian. To historians everything is propaganda. :D I can see why it is loved by kids though.
Though, the music from Aladdin is fun. My husband sang to songs from it on our first date. :D
Oh, but they produced Winnie the Pooh, which has fond memories from me.
Lastly, they made Aladdin and the King of Theives. My brothers tortured me with this movie for over a year. Every day, twice a day that movie was playing. I could recite that movie from memory. I mostly hate them for THAT ONE MOVIE. -.-
Ayden, I hear you there and I do agree. I enjoy their films at times but knowing the background behind the company can really affect the way you feel about it. Read up on Walt Disney himself and his anti-Semitic personality and there's a lot of dark backstory to the studio's early days.
It was Lion King that made me want to be an animator though, and so even though now I know it ripped off a classic Japanese work, I still have a soft spot for it. Mulan's mirror song always made me cry too, because like others here it spoke to me a lot. I hated how she was treated when they found out.
Lilo & Stitch is my true favorite though, I related so much to both Stitch and Lilo, being the awkward, angry person who didn't seem to fit in anywhere. I also just love Chris Sanders's artwork. Wonderfully curvy pin-up ladies he does - so much nicer than those stick-thin princesses!
I loved the song "Reflection" from Mulan from the very first time I heard it because of how I related to it and it said everything I was trying to say. I would listen to it CONSTANTLY...yet NO ONE suspected anything...hmm
When I was little The Little Mermaid was my absolute favorite. I think because I was right at the right age for it and it was the first movie I ever saw in theaters. I learned all the words to all the songs by heart when I was just three or four. I don't remember it, but my mom always tells me about when she took me to see Little Mermaid on ice with her colonel and his daughter and how I stood right at the edge of the ice (we had front row seats) the entire time singing along to every single song and how impressed the colonel was.
Nowerdays I'm not all that into Disney. At least not as much as some of my friends (male friends included). I think I'm more of a Universal person. I can't really buy the whole Disney Magic thing...
I was also a huge fan of Mulan when I was a kid. I was an insomniac for the majority of my childhood, and on really bad nights I would wander around the house singing Reflection quietly to myself and crying. xD
My other favorites were Lion King and Lilo and Stitch.
I was a Lion King fan all the way. I wanted to be Simba... AND Nala (and Kovu and Kiara, heck, I just think I wanted to be a lion regardless of gender!)
My themesong was Endless Night for many years. Reflected the feeling of abandonment I had as a child due to my depression.
My favourite Disney film (not counting the pixar ones) still is Beauty and the Beast.
The superficial nature of the other characters (Gaston etc) was something that I could see around me, and I really felt like I was the beast - no one could see past my exterior and see how much I was hurting on the inside because the outside didn't match.
And I just loved Belle - the bookish heroine - I kept on wishing that I was her *lol*
Quote from: N.Chaos on September 15, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
Hunchback of Notre Dame
Best. Movie. Ever. Alan Menken outdid himself with the music in HoND, and the voice talents are just absolutely amazing. Tony Jay, Tom Hulce.... and
especially Paul Kandel (Clopin) sings like a GOD. Even Jason Alexander (Hugo the Gargoyle) did a decent job.
...In fact, everyone in the movie did their own singing except Demi Moore..
...love Clopin, love Clopin, love Clopin... Bells of Notre Dame, Topsy Turvy and Court of Miracles... and the Bells of Notre Dame reprise...
soooooo here is a riddle to guess if you can, sing the bells of noooootre daaaaaaaam...oh god i have to go watch it now.
Also did you know Mulan was based on a true story? Only in real life Mulan got to be a general, but when they found out she was a female I'm pretty sure they executed her. =/