I've been dressing, presenting, and living as a female for months now, and the greatest frustration that I have in regards to this is when I dress in my more masculine clothing, and all the sudden start being treated as I did before I started presenting as female.
If I wake up in the morning and decide that I don't feel like wearing a blouse and skirt, or a fancy dress and wear a pair of jeans and a t-shirt it's as if I've gone back to being a male 24/7 despite the fact that I'm wearing nail polish, eyeliner, foundation, lipgloss, etc.
I am so pissed that a biological female can be lazy one day and still get by as a female, but a trans woman can't be lazy and wear a wifebeater and jeans like all of the other lazy broads out there without being refered to as "he" or having all my friends asking "so, what, did you wake up feeling masculing this morning?"
No, damnit, I woke up feeling tired and lazy. We can't all be ladies twenty four seven. If a biological female can get by with being a tomboy for a day why can't I.
Just because I don't dress to be a bombshell ultra-femme seductress doesn't mean I don't still identify as a female.
Anyone else get frustrated with this?
Hmm i guess it depends on the person cuz i have no problems being a lazy lady on certain days. When i know i'm not going anywhere i either stay in my pajamma's or i slip on one of my old band tee-shirts and some jogging pants, yes they're the kind that say P I N K down the leg. :D
I understand what you are saying, but what I am saying is more regarding gender neutral/more masculine clothing.
I'm just pissed that girls can dress like men and still pass as females, but a feminine looking m2f dressed masculine/gender neutral is generally still treated as a boy/man.
Maybe it comes down to the fact that I still don't pass 100% of the time, but I guess for someone born a male who has taken no hormones, nor had any surgery, even passing 80 to 85 percent of the time is pretty damn good.
maybe I should just quit bitching and always wear skirts and dresses, but it still pisses me off that I can't wear a wifebeater and gym shorts without being outed as a biological male
I have my lazy days and haven't noticed what you mean.
I do yardwork in old jeans, been known to grocery store/gas station without doing my hair. Old clothes slowly become house and work stuff, but its not male mode. that went away a Loooong time ago.
I wear skirts alot, often longer demin ones or peasant/hippie styles, my hails are long and my friends have commented on on my "flats days" as they are pretty rare but I've never been a bombshell ultra-femme seductress, just a woman.
Some biological women actually do deal with what you deal with. Some masculine women are read as men, and theyre not even trans.
Also, many biological women, if they decide to take a lazy day, are disrespected as women. Everything you're feeling is the result of rampant sexism in our screwed up society.
I think we need to, as trans women, look through an obvious lens, we didn't grow up in the social construction being read as women so when society has a chance, they'll jam me straight back into the assigned gender they want me to stay in. As a trans women, which I see as a separate gender, I need to not just accept that. I need to correct people. Wear your jeans and tshirt, but be prepared to correct a friend if they suddenly use male pronouns.
The lens i'm talking about is my own way of surviving sexism, my chin is up. I'm sick of the gender battle, i'm just me. But I think we need to realize our privileges and either accept how we're treated, or correct people until they stop doing it.
i understand your frustrations and I'm sure they are very frustrating for you but I think it all depends on each individual. For example, I wear jeans and sweatshirts often and I don't get clocked.
I never really dwelled on the reasons why or anything like that but I am sure these experiences are different for everyone.
If you can show us pics of yourself dressed "lazy" then we can offer some suggestions to you.
Oh i'm sorry, i didn't understand what getting at. So your just frustrated that you get misgendered while in male clothing? Well if the male clothing you wear is really guyish then yeah obviously your gonna have problems, even cisgendered women will get strange looks if what they're wearing seems too masculine. I think it has to do more with passing then anything else, women have those gender markers (face & body) that allow them to get away with wearing guy cloths. I remember when i was still partime i started having alot of trouble passing in male cloths & that's when i knew to go fulltime. :D
If you are not very passable and you wear male clothing than you will probably just look male. I know many females who go out in sweats and baggy hoodies but you can still tell they are female usually by things like breasts and facial features. Most females look like females and that's a fact, with or without make up or feminine clothing that's just how it is. I have been through the same situation as you and that is what i realized. Most bio women who are confused for men are usually masculine women, kind of like butch women who do fades, wear men's clothes, etc. Im being brutally honest here, if you dont pass well as a woman then you cant really blame people for seeing the male version of you, that's why most transsexual's opt for hormones, surgery, etc. Female's are born with feminine features, bodies, faces,etc so even when they are dressed like they just woke up they will look female. It's not really a double standard and just because you have a french manicure or pink nail polish on people are not going to automatically assume you are a woman or even a transwoman. Like i said i been through this, im just giving advice
You say you've been doing this for months. that's a short time. Your friends and neighbors (rightly or wrongly) still probably have a lot of memories of your former self.
wearing mens clothes is a big reminder of that and pronoun slips are bound to happen.
Um... maybe you should get on some hormones then, if you're not already. Clothes and accessories alone will not do it. If you look sufficiently female, and sound feminine enough, you shouldn't be bothered like that.
Like you said, it has only been months.
Give it time.
I used to be very frustrated with this when I started transitioning, but I have plenty of lazy days now and never get read. Stay positive! It will get better.
it's just the idea most people have that if you're changing sex, you must be doing it because you have a clothing fetish. they act as though it is a crossdressing matter. i would challenge it by asking one of the women who ask you that question with "well, you're wearing the same thing so you must be feeling pretty male as well." wearing a dress and heels is simply not practical 24/7. i don't wear any skirts, no dresses. i wear jeans, and sneakers with whatever blouse. most days i stay home, i don't even get out of what i've worn to bed. what is the point? am i guy for staying in what i've worn to bed? no, it just means i'm a human being.
Um... tomboy is my standard operating mode. Though the way I do it, it isn't really lazy. Just different. I haven't been read as male since the 5 month mark on HRT.
And yes, it puts a ton of extra pressure on your face and body to gender you female, but it is hardly impossible. See where you are at after awhile on HRT. And, of course, there is always surgery.
I was terrified I'd have to wear skirts and makeup to be gendered female consistently. Thankfully it didn't work out that way. I still don't own a skirt.
I spend most of my time in trackies and Tees, I'm I only get dolled up when I want to, and usually have to take a pic as it is so rare. So my avatar is a pretty rare look at me. I don't care id I get clocked or not. If you forget about it, it doesn't matter. And the less you care about it, the more natural you are.
I'm me; a good looking woman a far as I am concerned, if anyone has a problem with that, I'l ask them send me a post card.
Cindy
Hate to say it. But that's life.
I work in cosmetics and I accept what I am in the order of females. My female friends are absolutely supportive of me, but I'd never consider myself on equal ground with them. Especially when I was their gay best friend.
Now are they cool enough not to out me to men? Definitely. But I know I am the gay best friend, except we go shopping. It's something I think about for about a minute and get on with my life.
Being born female and becoming female are always gonna be two different things in the larger girl world. I hate to say it, but there's a heirarchy here and there's a heirarchy in their world. It's life I suppose.
Quote from: Elsa.G on October 31, 2011, 05:00:35 PMIf you are not very passable and you wear male clothing than you will probably just look male. I know many females who go out in sweats and baggy hoodies but you can still tell they are female usually by things like breasts and facial features. Most females look like females and that's a fact, with or without make up or feminine clothing that's just how it is.
This. It sucks big time. But as you progress more and more in your transition, you should be able to get away with it at some point.
I hate it when you guys are right
ftms have sorta the same problem..
I am not very maculine, and I enjoy having on some colourfull clothes or something who are girly, or long hair, and then people think I must be a girl.
cis-guys can be as femenine they want and still be read as just femenine males, but for ftms without homones theres no other way than being macho,
I hope my T can help alittle on my aperience part.
Don't worry Natkat.
You're FTM. Give it time and you will pass without a problem. FTM get allot of passing privilage once they have been on T for awhile.
;)
Quote from: Natkat on November 01, 2011, 01:33:24 PM
ftms have sorta the same problem..
I am not very maculine, and I enjoy having on some colourfull clothes or something who are girly, or long hair, and then people think I must be a girl.
cis-guys can be as femenine they want and still be read as just femenine males, but for ftms without homones theres no other way than being macho,
I hope my T can help alittle on my aperience part.
Thank you. I really appreciate this response. I really feel like you have an understanding of my frustration.
Quote from: cynthialee on November 01, 2011, 01:36:54 PM
Don't worry Natkat.
You're FTM. Give it time and you will pass without a problem. FTM get allot of passing privilage once they have been on T for awhile.
;)
I know T is a great soap of magic, even thought I still got mistaked for a girl -__- (been on T for 5-6- months)
but generally its kinda annoying, a ftm I know was showed on tv and I got told it where great he was showed, because he
looked like a guy, and then it where more easy for people to acept..
=___= it annoying me so much of these steryotypes,
get them often like;
"so since your a guy you dont like pink" (yes I do)
"so you like women right" (I guess I like men better)
"so bet you watch football" (no projeckt runway)
"you should cut you hair to be more boyish" (why, boys with long hair are hot!)
bla bla and the great statement of "if you ____ so why dont you just stay female"
I actually enjoy femenine clothes, and I dont mind dressing up, the thing is it dosent make me a girl it makes ma a femenine guy or
a crossdresser if its all the way, but not a girl.
It seems really hard for people to get their heads around that kind of stuff. My family had more trouble with understanding the tomboy thing than the trans thing. I hate pink, I like girls, my hair is in an androgynous cut, and I usually wear clothes that could come from the men's or women's section equally. Still a girl.
People come in all kinds. Why are trans folk expected to embody the stereotypes? It's absurd.
While I much prefer dresses and skirts to send that unambiguous message of "Hey, this 6'2" (in heels) person with the long hair and makeup is a woman", I do slum it, for me; jeans and a nice top and some makeup. But certainly not dressed in my I'm doing the brakes, or changing the oil guy stuff. Nope, if I want to remotely pass (Which I am NOT brave enough to think F'm) I need to rely on using all the other visual clues I wasn't lucky enough to be born with. So fem jeans and tops that say girlie, accentuate my figure and a 10 minute face.
You know, this topic comes up a lot and I'm really confused.
What about being lazy forces you to wear men's clothes? You can't throw on a basic top or something?
People read you as male because first of all, you have a lot of things working against looking female. If you add more things on top of that, well what do you really expect?
Secondly, most women actually dress like women, most of or all the time. Just because some wear their boyfriend's hoodies or something doesn't mean it's an everyday sight. They still pass because they don't have masculine features to worry about.
I don't understand why a lot of MTFs seem to have a problem with just dressing like a woman. Isn't that what you want? I'm not trying to say you have to dress like a woman, but of course if you don't it's naturally going to make it harder to pass. You should expect that.
Quote from: pretty on November 01, 2011, 08:26:49 PM
You know, this topic comes up a lot and I'm really confused.
What about being lazy forces you to wear men's clothes? You can't throw on a basic top or something?
People read you as male because first of all, you have a lot of things working against looking female. If you add more things on top of that, well what do you really expect?
Secondly, most women actually dress like women, most of or all the time. Just because some wear their boyfriend's hoodies or something doesn't mean it's an everyday sight. They still pass because they don't have masculine features to worry about.
I don't understand why a lot of MTFs seem to have a problem with just dressing like a woman. Isn't that what you want? I'm not trying to say you have to dress like a woman, but of course if you don't it's naturally going to make it harder to pass. You should expect that.
it's not passing that is the issue. the person who started the thread was talking about how the people she is friends with expect her to always dress in ultra feminine clothes, and that if she is dressing down one day it must be because she "feels more masculine." she didn't say that she has a problem with dressing as a woman. people dress differently for different times.
Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 01, 2011, 08:41:44 PM
it's not passing that is the issue. the person who started the thread was talking about how the people she is friends with expect her to always dress in ultra feminine clothes, and that if she is dressing down one day it must be because she "feels more masculine." she didn't say that she has a problem with dressing as a woman. people dress differently for different times.
Well, maybe new friends are in order, but again, most cis girls don't do this so of course it stands out. For those people you can't really be surprised that it would be confusing because it seems wishy-washy. People can't just magically ignore someone's appearance. If someone looks like a guy and is even wearing men's clothes not everyone can just pretend to not notice that.
Quote from: pretty on November 01, 2011, 08:26:49 PM
I'm not trying to say you have to dress like a woman, but of course if you don't it's naturally going to make it harder to pass.
I think it depends on the person. In response to this topic i went out grocery shopping today dressed in full male clothing (baggy shorts, band tee, and skater shoes) no makeup and didn't style my hair. A couple walks past me and the guy says "why is that girl in guy clothes...halloween's over?" his girlfriend starts whispering to him and all i heard was "lesbian" LOL.
I personally don't get all dressed up when i don't plan on going anywhere. When i do go out i ususally dress very feminine but sometimes i'll throw on one of my old guy hoddies or a band tee-shirt with girl jeans, it really just depends on my mood atm.
Quote from: pretty on November 01, 2011, 08:48:58 PM
Well, maybe new friends are in order, but again, most cis girls don't do this so of course it stands out. For those people you can't really be surprised that it would be confusing because it seems wishy-washy. People can't just magically ignore someone's appearance. If someone looks like a guy and is even wearing men's clothes not everyone can just pretend to not notice that.
most cis girls don't dress in jeans and a tshirt? the concept of a woman only allowed to wear dresses all the time seems rather 1950's.
Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 01, 2011, 09:07:06 PM
most cis girls don't dress in jeans and a tshirt? the concept of a woman only allowed to wear dresses all the time seems rather 1950's.
I think Pretty was referring to the issue that the OP should wear girls jeans and girls t-shirts vs a pair of men's jeans and a men's shirt.
I didn't get out of her comment that she had to wear dresses all the time to pass
Some of you do pass even with a t-shirt and jeans. Myself, I plead nolo contendere about every time I see a cis-woman. I have hips and a little boobs, but the rest still screams male after nearly a year on HRT. My age doesn't help here anyway, a lot of the middle-aged gynocomastic men bigger than me. I am in this transisition for peace of mind for the most part. But I would like to be treated with the respect from others that I didn't have as a man.
Joelene
Quote from: Annah on November 01, 2011, 09:19:16 PM
I think Pretty was referring to the issue that the OP should wear girls jeans and girls t-shirts vs a pair of men's jeans and a men's shirt.
I didn't get out of her comment that she had to wear dresses all the time to pass
Yes, this is what I meant.
It's not really about the type of clothing but the style of it. If it's a baggy men's shirt and jeans then it will definitely hurt passability (and the appearance of femininity in general). I remember reading "a wife beater and gym shorts," for example. There is a very broad middleground between that and frilly dresses.
I just don't really understand why the little daily effort to appear feminine would be an annoying thing. We are very lucky to live in a time where transition is both socially and medically possible to begin with. Maybe in the future people will have no preconceptions about gender and everyone can be a boy one day and a girl the next and nobody will think anything of it, but for now I think the little extra effort to maintain a consistent feminine appearance should be very much worthwhile.
Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 01, 2011, 09:07:06 PM
most cis girls don't dress in jeans and a tshirt? the concept of a woman only allowed to wear dresses all the time seems rather 1950's.
Our local congressman wanted to pass a law for women to only wear sexy dresses at work.
I think I accidently voted for him...he had a cool name.
Another part of the issue is a matter of people being people. As far as I have so-far encountered, at least among the under-30 group, not caring about what other people think is a rather popular attitude. While, when properly applied, this is mostly a positive view, it is also often misused in that people tend to be careless and insensitive at times; often this is for humour, because when people take someone seriously, the insignificance of such issues as a correlation between your dress and gender identity becomes much more apparent.
I'm no fan of the double standard, but the only way it will end is when there is enough education in the world for people to know better. For now, it's just a matter of patience, and choosing who to be around - preferably, people who take you seriously.
I'm sorry that you feel frustrated by this, and that it had to happen. I hope venting helped a little... but if you continue to be annoyed by this, spreading some education, or otherwise combatting the cause of the situation, is often fulfilling enough to end such negative emotions :).
Be well. You're entitled to a little laziness - although, it helps if your laziness is femininely-cut. quality-of-lifewise.
if you've decided you're TS and want to be seen and live as such why keep any previously gendered clothing or previous life?
You want to change and be seen as new so just throw out all the old stuff and make sure everyone sees the new you.
I had a big bonfire of all the male stuff the day I got my name change.
Quote from: lilacwoman on November 07, 2011, 01:00:19 AM
if you've decided you're TS and want to be seen and live as such why keep any previously gendered clothing or previous life?
You want to change and be seen as new so just throw out all the old stuff and make sure everyone sees the new you.
I had a big bonfire of all the male stuff the day I got my name change.
Because clothing shouldn't be inherently gendered and you should be able to wear whatever you want and not have the legitimacy of your gender questioned?
I got rid of almost all of my male clothing, and now I'm sort of regretting having done so, since there are pieces I find I miss.
I find it very strange. I get called male at work and by family but with my shoulder length hair no makeup ever I get called a women in public. Doesn't matter if I'm wearing a skirt, jeans, kaki pants, etc. For whatever reason I get called a women all the time. I love it since I am mtf but my family who I have told I am trans hates it all they can think of is that I am a full male and can't seem to get over the fact that I am changing and can pass as a women without even trying.
I kinda felt this way for a while when i went full time. i would totally go all out just to go to the supermarket or something cuz i didnt think that without all the makeup an stuff i wouldnt pass. one day tho, i went shopping with a friend who wore no makeup and a tshirt and jeans at the mall and i realized that most women dont get dolled up just to go run errands. now im kinda on the opposite end, its jeans ( or shorts depending on how hot it is) and a tshirt almost all the time. i learned there are things you can do like accessorizing with jewelery that helps femenize an outfit. anyways, even in just a tishirt ive never had problems passing.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 06, 2011, 11:59:34 PM
Our local congressman wanted to pass a law for women to only wear sexy dresses at work.
I think I accidently voted for him...he had a cool name.
that's why i don't participate in democracy. i would probably do the same :icon_giggle:
One time I went to the restaurant with the therapy group I was in. The women were all visibly trans and I saw the reactions of people. They were all wearing jeans and t-shirt and I was just dressed like a femmie gay boy. All of them got "sir'd"(except me)
People notice. I think if you have very masculine features, no jean or tshirt will save you from being clocked.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 07, 2011, 01:32:45 PM
One time I went to the restaurant with the therapy group I was in. The women were all visibly trans and I saw the reactions of people. They were all wearing jeans and t-shirt and I was just dressed like a femmie gay boy. All of them got "sir'd"(except me)
People notice. I think if you have very masculine features, no jean or tshirt will save you from being clocked.
I think there's a difference between casual presentation (jeans/t-shirt) and perception as male.
If you have passing privilege, you'll generally have passing privilege no matter what you're wearing, because the face and the physical body underneath the clothing are the two most important indicators of the gender of the person as it's perceived by others.
Quote from: Wonderdyke on November 07, 2011, 01:44:20 PM
I think there's a difference between casual presentation (jeans/t-shirt) and perception as male.
If you have passing privilege, you'll generally have passing privilege no matter what you're wearing, because the face and the physical body underneath the clothing are the two most important indicators of the gender of the person as it's perceived by others.
My voice and stubble being the exception. I passed as a female as a girl... I am guessing the smaller bone structure. But yeah, what you're born with goes a long way...
My hetero DQ friend told me, "You have a cute face and don't look bad with long hair"...
Quote from: Wonderdyke on November 07, 2011, 01:44:20 PM
I think there's a difference between casual presentation (jeans/t-shirt) and perception as male.
If you have passing privilege, you'll generally have passing privilege no matter what you're wearing, because the face and the physical body underneath the clothing are the two most important indicators of the gender of the person as it's perceived by others.
i just know that i think it's pretty cruel to "sir" someone who is visibly transsexual. it's basically just publicly humiliating the person. it is quite possible to avoid addressing someone in a gendered way. i do it all the time regardless of seeing most people looking easy to attribute male or female to. i just look at people and they know i'm talking to them.
Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 07, 2011, 02:01:01 PM
i just know that i think it's pretty cruel to "sir" someone who is visibly transsexual. it's basically just publicly humiliating the person. it is quite possible to avoid addressing someone in a gendered way. i do it all the time regardless of seeing most people looking easy to attribute male or female to. i just look at people and they know i'm talking to them.
I used to do it all the time before I transitioned. If I saw someone who was clearly biologically male with long hair, no makeup, etc...
I actually argued with one of them once and said, "Yeah, I know you're not a woman as i am not blind". I could have gotten fired for that.
Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 07, 2011, 02:01:01 PM
i just know that i think it's pretty cruel to "sir" someone who is visibly transsexual. it's basically just publicly humiliating the person. it is quite possible to avoid addressing someone in a gendered way. i do it all the time regardless of seeing most people looking easy to attribute male or female to. i just look at people and they know i'm talking to them.
I would agree with your statement if it were one TG person addressing another. However, the rest of the world does not have such courtesy and thus I feel we all should prepare for the negative that comes with being TG and transitioning. Furthermore, many people don't realize they're actually using gender pronouns as we tend to naturally use them based off the image in front of us; thus if someone looks male despite identifying as female (and vise versa), it may unintentionally slip out regardless. Though, if someone is deliberately using gender pronouns to purposely agitate someone, that would create a problem and I'd be apt to smack them.
Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 07, 2011, 02:01:01 PM
i just know that i think it's pretty cruel to "sir" someone who is visibly transsexual. it's basically just publicly humiliating the person. it is quite possible to avoid addressing someone in a gendered way. i do it all the time regardless of seeing most people looking easy to attribute male or female to. i just look at people and they know i'm talking to them.
Quote from: stldrmgrl on November 07, 2011, 03:10:18 PM
I would agree with your statement if it were one TG person addressing another. However, the rest of the world does not have such courtesy and thus I feel we all should prepare for the negative that comes with being TG and transitioning as well. Furthermore, many people don't realize they're actually using gender pronouns as we tend to naturally use them based off the image in front of us; thus if someone looks male despite being TG (MTF), it may slip out regardless, and vise versa. Though, if someone is deliberately using gender pronouns to purposely agitate someone, that would create a problem and I'd be apt to smack them.
There's also not a public awareness of the distinction between a crossdresser and a trans* person, so there's that.
I dunno. If I really couldn't tell, and I
had to use gendered language, I'd probably ask their preferred gender pronoun. We have non-binary people around here, so there's precedent for someone presenting as substantially androgynous to ask.
Quote from: stldrmgrl on November 07, 2011, 03:10:18 PM
I would agree with your statement if it were one TG person addressing another. However, the rest of the world does not have such courtesy and thus I feel we all should prepare for the negative that comes with being TG and transitioning. Furthermore, many people don't realize they're actually using gender pronouns as we tend to naturally use them based off the image in front of us; thus if someone looks male despite identifying as female (and vise versa), it may unintentionally slip out regardless. Though, if someone is deliberately using gender pronouns to purposely agitate someone, that would create a problem and I'd be apt to smack them.
i was speaking in the context of someone who would have an unclear gender presentation. some people just starting out in their transition don't pass as well as others even though they dress in the clothing of the gender they are trying to transition into. there is that period in many transsexuals life where they are in an in between looking state, and going out in public can be hell just because of how society judges people who are transsexual. just visibly being that makes it very hard especially when that's their only hope of living in peace. anyway, i agree with the doing it on purpose bit. i think if someone has to make an effort to make anothers person miserable, they are pretty low life.
Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 07, 2011, 04:42:08 PM
i was speaking in the context of someone who would have an unclear gender presentation. some people just starting out in their transition don't pass as well as others even though they dress in the clothing of the gender they are trying to transition into. there is that period in many transsexuals life where they are in an in between looking state, and going out in public can be hell just because of how society judges people who are transsexual. just visibly being that makes it very hard especially when that's their only hope of living in peace. anyway, i agree with the doing it on purpose bit. i think if someone has to make an effort to make anothers person miserable, they are pretty low life.
No worries, I agree with you. In the case of confusion, I'd go with what Wonderdyke stated...
Quote from: Wonderdyke on November 07, 2011, 03:21:39 PM
If I really couldn't tell, and I had to use gendered language, I'd probably ask their preferred gender pronoun. We have non-binary people around here, so there's precedent for someone presenting as substantially androgynous to ask.
well, many females tend to dress pretty boyish,
its kinda makes me sad when people thought of me as female even when all my clothes been male,
but yeah most boyish clothes can goes for women as well without being questionated, there are few diffrence ex how the shape are and so but in general its pretty simular.
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being transexual isnt about the clothing, if I dress up as a women then I still feel as I do now, as a guy in a dress,
but the world dosent always understand, they need to try it for themself but many are to scared of that.
Quote from: Wonderdyke on November 07, 2011, 02:09:11 AM
Because clothing shouldn't be inherently gendered and you should be able to wear whatever you want and not have the legitimacy of your gender questioned?
I got rid of almost all of my male clothing, and now I'm sort of regretting having done so, since there are pieces I find I miss.
Adam chose first big enough fig leaf he saw while Eve looked for pretty ones.
Genderless clothing was fine in 1970s Frisco or 1980 China but today thinsg have moved on a bit and the genderless crap just annoys me.
You contradict yourself too.
Are there places or situations that need you to wear obviously male clothes?
That is a brilliant garden of eden story :p
"And they saw their nakedness and felt shame and Adam did garb himself with a leaf from the Fig Tree and then after 4 hours walking though the garden and trying different foliage colour combinations Eve returned to the original fig tree and garbed herself aswell."
Quote from: lilacwoman on November 12, 2011, 04:54:11 AM
Adam chose first big enough fig leaf he saw while Eve looked for pretty ones.
Genderless clothing was fine in 1970s Frisco or 1980 China but today thinsg have moved on a bit and the genderless crap just annoys me.
You contradict yourself too.
Are there places or situations that need you to wear obviously male clothes?
It's not that I
need to wear it, it's that I like wearing it and I shouldn't be judged for wearing guys' clothing, since it doesn't make me any less female.