There are a lot of myths floating out there...
I ll start with mine...
Myth: Transgender people must have a deep hatred of their gentiala to the point of suicide where transition must be done or else.
Reality: Some do , some do not. It doesn't make anyone less transgender.
Contribute yours if you know any! :)
Myth: When a transgender person begins transition, they suddenly consider themselves as completely their new gender... any pronoun usage outside of that new gender identity causes a great amount of stress and negative emotions.
Reality: Some do, some do not. Those with a more relaxed and "real" approach to things seem to have a less stressful time of transitioning and general day to day interactions.
Myth: Cross dressing is the same as transgendered :(
Quote from: BillieTex on December 26, 2011, 02:08:38 PM
Myth: Cross dressing is the same as transgendered :(
I thought cross dressing was covered under ->-bleeped-<-? :P
Transgender is a proven biological condition
Crossdressers are transgendered, especially as it relates to this support site. Hugs Devlyn Oh, myth: All transgendered people are great cooks. Fact: some are, some arent.
Quote from: BillieTex on December 26, 2011, 02:08:38 PM
Myth: Cross dressing is the same as transgendered :(
QuoteCommunity Definitions:
Transgender: an inclusive umbrella term which covers anyone who transcends their birth gender for any reason. This includes but is not limited to Androgynes, Crossdressers, Drag kings, Drag queens, Intersexuals, Transsexuals, and ->-bleeped-<-s.
Myth: Trans women are 6'4" and neanderthal-looking with 5'o-clock shadow and huge hands.
Reality: Some of us are- but the vast majority of us are actually pretty cute!
Thought I would share, as this is one the myths which prevented me from seeking care for years.
Transitioning is more important than all else >:-)
Myth (Primarily attributed to MTFs): All love sex and are basically hookers that don't charge
MtFs transition so they can then sleep with men... Why is it when MtFs transition and have female partners, it's so utterly confusing people refuse to see the 'point' of transitioning? Even intelligent people I know have come up with the "if you like women, why transition?" and it drives me mad!! There is such a thing as lesbian women you know!
I think it reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of transition - if somebody asks that "what's the point?" question, then they clearly don't know why trans people transition, and assume it's something purely sexual. I'm actually straight, so it's easier for the non trans 'muggles' (as I call them!) to understand me, but they often misunderstand some of my trans friends, who are mostly lesbian.
myth; transmen are all maculine and into women
realety: some are some arnt.
Quote from: BillieTex on December 26, 2011, 02:08:38 PM
Myth: Cross dressing is the same as transgendered :(
And the reality is?
Quote from: fionabell on December 26, 2011, 02:15:03 PM
Transgender is a proven biological condition
And the reality is?
Quote from: fionabell on December 26, 2011, 03:34:07 PM
Transitioning is more important than all else >:-)
And the reality is?
Quote from: JoanneB on December 26, 2011, 03:53:18 PM
Myth (Primarily attributed to MTFs): All love sex and are basically hookers that don't charge
And the reality is?
Here's another myth : All transwomen are well hung because of the ->-bleeped-<- porn.
Reality: Transwomen's penises actually shrink over the course of HRT and most of the well hung porn ->-bleeped-<- stars are not on HRT and just got implants and FFS, hence perpeuating the myth to straight men.
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 26, 2011, 04:25:07 PM
Reality: Transwomen's penises actually shrink over the course of HRT and most of the well hung porn ->-bleeped-<- stars are not on HRT and just got implants and FFS, hence perpeuating the myth to straight men.
I didn't know these actresses weren't on HRT. Does that mean they aren't 'real' trans women?
Someone who isn't on HRT, but has gotten implants and FFS has clearly transcended their birth gender and could expect a rousing welcome here. Honestly, I don't think some of you "get" the idea Susan had when she started this site for EVERYONE. Myth: All transgendered people are less bigoted and more open minded. Fact: some are, some aren't. Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Guantanamera on December 26, 2011, 04:51:27 PM
I didn't know these actresses weren't on HRT. Does that mean they aren't 'real' trans women?
well, most of them are usually from Brazil or some poor rural countries so they basically sell their bodies to the porn companies who look for dirt poor young guys (straight or gay) with big dicks and exploit them - gives them implants and FFS (if necessary) and have them work their debt off in porn then they become trapped in the industry.
Are they transgender? I do not know. I have no idea how they function in real life.
Yes, some ->-bleeped-<- porn stars are on HRT - further evidence of the reality check is that they tend to be unable to get hard, tend to be the bottoms, their penises look very small, and small pert budding breasts as compared to the well hung ->-bleeped-<- porn stars who can perform on demand and can top.
wow...maybe is better if i explian the reality of transgender people that live as porn stars and sex´s workers
1) most of them not are "guy trapped in porn industry because they are poor", usually be trans in this countrys mean be marginated.... and is very expensive...so a lot of girls must work as porns stars or as sex´s workers
That mean... THEY ARE TRANSGENDER..
2) in the poor countrys dont the HRT is not covered by the public health...or for medical secure...indeed is very hard already find a medic that know how give that treatment....
3) as i say usually this girls dont find work...and need money not only to become the women that they are... too for just living...so they need work in this job...and in this job...you must got a erection..so usually they cant take hormones if want got money...
4) specially in most poor region..or years ago the people was very ignorant of the hormones....
How i know this..my girl friends is a non op transwoman ... she work as sex´s worker ..as almost all her friend do
Quote from: Guantanamera on December 26, 2011, 03:11:53 PM
Myth: Trans women are 6'4" and neanderthal-looking with 5'o-clock shadow and huge hands.
Here in my country (S. Korea), the myth is opposite: Trans women should be prettier than GGs.
Barbie~~
Quote from: Assoluta on December 26, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
MtFs transition so they can then sleep with men... Why is it when MtFs transition and have female partners, it's so utterly confusing people refuse to see the 'point' of transitioning? Even intelligent people I know have come up with the "if you like women, why transition?" and it drives me mad!! There is such a thing as lesbian women you know!
Indeed. People here, especially men, assume that all of M2Fs are sexually attracted to men, and even most of them do not tell between transgender and homosexual people. Some of my friends now know that I am sexually attracted to women.
Barbie~~
I think we can sum up with
<Myth> Being Trans is voluntary or about sex
-although people can derive pleasure from it, Personal Gender Identity is who some one is.
Myth: drag queens aren't considered part of the trans spectrum.
Reality: Yes they are.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 26, 2011, 09:37:16 PM
Myth: drag queens aren't considered part of the trans spectrum.
Reality: Yes they are.
Yes! For example, if some thug sees a trans woman and a drag queen/feminine man, they're not gonna care that the DQ/femme man doesn't identify as a woman. Chances are they'll get the same treatment as the trans woman. Gender non-conforming cis people don't have to worry about things like misgendering, legal name changes, and such but that doesn't mean they're not affected by transphobia.
Myth: Trans women have male privilege.
Reality: If you ask me, being constantly told that who you are as a person is bad and that you should be someone you're not isn't very much of a privilege.
myth:
All trans women are lesbians or, at the least, 90% are.
reality:
there are just a diversity in sexuality with trans as there is with any other person
myth:
non ops are not real women
reality:
gender is determined by how the person sees themselves versus what type of surgery they have had
myth:
putting your hair up and wearing a skirt should make society stop addressing you with masculine pronouns
reality:
If you want people to address you to feminine pronouns you must do your part in not only your mental transition but your physical transition
myth:
all transgender people are psychotic and mentally ill
reality:
only 75% are :P
just teasing
Quote from: Emi on December 26, 2011, 08:54:19 PM
wow...maybe is better if i explian the reality of transgender people that live as porn stars and sex´s workers
1) most of them not are "guy trapped in porn industry because they are poor", usually be trans in this countrys mean be marginated.... and is very expensive...so a lot of girls must work as porns stars or as sex´s workers
That mean... THEY ARE TRANSGENDER..
2) in the poor countrys dont the HRT is not covered by the public health...or for medical secure...indeed is very hard already find a medic that know how give that treatment....
3) as i say usually this girls dont find work...and need money not only to become the women that they are... too for just living...so they need work in this job...and in this job...you must got a erection..so usually they cant take hormones if want got money...
4) specially in most poor region..or years ago the people was very ignorant of the hormones....
How i know this..my girl friends is a non op transwoman ... she work as sex´s worker ..as almost all her friend do
I am not saying that they are not transgender. It is not up to me to say who is or who is not. I am just explaining how some of them can get rock hard and be tops.
Myth: All trans women can be clocked. Truth: The ones you notice can be clocked. :P
Myth: All trans women are femme. Truth: Wearing a dress has very little to do with being female.
Those are the two that irritate me the most I think.
Quote from: Sarah7 on December 26, 2011, 11:57:15 PM
Myth: All trans women can be clocked. Truth: The ones you notice can be clocked. :P
Not true- even the most beautiful trans women can be clocked by a simple DNA test.
Sorry to burst your bubble. :(
Quote from: Guantanamera on December 27, 2011, 12:02:26 AM
Not true- even the most beautiful trans women can be clocked by a simple DNA test.
Sorry to burst your bubble. :(
That isn't really included in the meaning of "clocked." It means "spotting." Not "forensic investigation." :P
I'm fully aware that I am most likely XY.
Quote from: Guantanamera on December 27, 2011, 12:02:26 AM
Not true- even the most beautiful trans women can be clocked by a simple DNA test.
Sorry to burst your bubble. :(
Not always. It's possible for a trans woman to have a 46,XX karyotype if she is intersex. Conversely, it is also possible a cis woman to have a 46,XY karyotype if she is intersex.
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 26, 2011, 11:52:31 PM
I am not saying that they are not transgender. It is not up to me to say who is or who is not. I am just explaining how some of them can get rock hard and be tops.
ok, but i must correct your explanation because is far the reality of most of the trans girls from south america...
In your explanation seems (maybe dont was your intention..but that is how look :P) as if all this girls are only guy that become women just because they are poor and want a easy (?) way to got money. And that is not how the things happen... usually here nobody know about HRT , only got surgery, and some take shots of strogen. And sadly discover what her path into the transition cut all her chances for a job and are usually margined by her family.. Anyway, this girl usually have erections and must be top to work...(indeed some of they really like be top sometimes..but usually the most of them only are top for work reasons)
:) i am not trying to fight or invalid your explanation...maybe that happen sometimes, who know..but really is not more easy just take 4 or 5 trans girl that are living as sex´s worker that already do some steps into transition, than take a random "big member" guy form the street and transform him into a woman?
As usual, i hope my bad english dont mess all xDDDDDD
Myth: If a guy dates a transgirl, he's gay or a gay in denial.
Fact: It all depends on the guy and what he wants.
Quote from: Guantanamera on December 27, 2011, 12:02:26 AM
Not true- even the most beautiful trans women can be clocked by a simple DNA test.
Sorry to burst your bubble. :(
not necessarily. A simple DNA test will not "clock" me. Trust me
Myth:
Quote from: fionabell on December 26, 2011, 02:15:03 PM
Transgender is a proven biological condition
Truth: It has been proven that transgenders can have a brain that's half female, half male.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html)
Myth: Transsexuals just want to trick you into sex.
Fact: Transsexuals just want you to identify (and treat them as) their target gender.
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 26, 2011, 11:52:31 PM
I am not saying that they are not transgender. It is not up to me to say who is or who is not. I am just explaining how some of them can get rock hard and be tops.
... Well, in response:
Myth: HRT makes erections hard to obtain.
Fact: Erectile ability is not always lost. I'm an example of this.
It applies to HRT as a whole, actually. There are a lot of commonalities in what happens with it, but there is no certainty when it comes to what it will and won't do. It doesn't guarantee breast growth, it might not reduce body hair, and it won't always change how well one's genitals will function. Uncertainty is just part of the fun, I guess.
And two of my own...
Myth: Trans women copy female stereotypes (Implies that, while they claim to be women, they don't have the mind/instinct for it).
Fact: The above is often true when a person begins transition, however, by the end the above is rarely true as they find themselves along the journey. This is similar to a child growing up.
Myth: The below is true.
Fact: The above is true.
:p
Myth; Trans men just want male privilege cause being women sucks so much in today's society.
Fact; Trans men actually just want to be themselves.
Myth; Trans men obtain male privilege from transition.
Fact; ... Only if they're perfectly stealthed and never outed can they obtain "passing" male privilege.
Myth; Gay trans men love Yaoi and want to live it out irl.
Fact; Most trans men don't love it, many of 'em don't even know what it is, and very few people in general are willing to risk surgery and other permanent physical changes to their bodies just to chase a simple sexual fantasy.
Quote from: Miniar on December 27, 2011, 07:21:35 AM
Myth; Gay trans men love Yaoi and want to live it out irl.
Fact; Most trans men don't love it, many of 'em don't even know what it is, and very few people in general are willing to risk surgery and other permanent physical changes to their bodies just to chase a simple sexual fantasy.
this one annoyed me alot since I actually like yaoi. But honestly theres a big diffrent to have your gender because of who you are and what you sexually have fetish with, if my transdition where to decribe my sexual fellings then I bet I had stayed a girl.
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another annoying one;
myth: transguys have it more easy than transwomen/ sociaty accept transguys more than transwomen.
realety: many people only know transwomen exist, many wont notice a transguy who pass well, and because of that wont comment and a transguy who dosent pass would just be consider a tomboy or butch, but not be accepted as a male but simply a manly girl.
Myth: Transwomen are just REALLY gay men.
Reality: There are some transwomen who identified as straight men before they transitioned. And while I WAS a gay boy, I was not the over-the-top flamboyant kind of gay.
Quote from: Miniar on December 27, 2011, 07:21:35 AM
Myth; Trans men just want male privilege cause being women sucks so much in today's society.
Fact; Trans men actually just want to be themselves.
???
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Myth; Trans men obtain male privilege from transition.
Fact; ... Only if they're perfectly stealthed and never outed can they obtain "passing" male privilege.
???
Quote from: Kelly J. P. on December 27, 2011, 06:13:50 AM
... Well, in response:
Myth: HRT makes erections hard to obtain.
Fact: Erectile ability is not always lost. I'm an example of this.
I have to agree with that -
Here is another one...
Myth: Transgender women are bottoms.
Reality: Some are tops. Gender does not reflect top/bottom.
This is the biggest myth of them all:
Myth: HRT works on everyone!
Fact: It doesn't!
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on December 27, 2011, 07:20:27 PM
This is the biggest myth of them all:
Myth: HRT works on everyone!
Fact: It doesn't!
Having good makeup skills and fashion sense goes a lot farther than hrt.
Quote
Having good makeup skills and fashion sense goes a lot farther than hrt.
Yep. And, while HRT is extremely variable, surgery is a bit more certain. Although I'd be hesitant to say HRT will "not work" on someone. Most people get something out of it... even if the something is only emotional/mental. I've been down the "HRT doesn't work on me" path :p
Myth: To be transgendered or transsexual, you either have had to had bottom surgery or at the very least want it and are planning to get it
Reality: Many transgendered people are non-op or unsure.
Myth: Ftms are all tore up over their lack of a penis.
Reality: Some are, some aren't.
myth: its always a compliment for a transman to point out how maculine the person is and opposite.
realety: its not nessesary a compliment if you put more focus on a persons maculinety or femenine side more than a casual guy or women.
Quote from: Natkat on December 28, 2011, 07:17:52 AM
myth: its always a compliment for a transman to point out how maculine the person is and opposite.
realety: its not nessesary a compliment if you put more focus on a persons maculinety or femenine side more than a casual guy or women.
heck, i find it as a compliment if someone points out my femininity but i understand your concern if u dont like to be masculine.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 27, 2011, 07:39:01 PM
Having good makeup skills and fashion sense goes a lot farther than hrt.
It's very sad how HRT is hyped up in medical journels by so called experts claiming it does this and that but in reality it's very limited. Many people starting out on their transitional journey are under the illusion that they will get fantastic effects from HRT but in reality it's limited and doesn't work on everyone. Good make up skills is hardly a substitute for gender indicated surgery like Breast augmentation or facial surgery which is needed in some cases.
Quote from: Annah on December 28, 2011, 07:48:18 AM
heck, i find it as a compliment if someone points out my femininity but i understand your concern if u dont like to be masculine.
the point is to be doing right, everything can be a a compliment or offensive if it said the right way.
it could be a compliment for me as well, however theres types of people who seam to try to hard,
and since im not a maculine guy then I know if people point out how maculine I am all the time, then its because they compare me to a regular female girl rather than a guy.
myth: it's extremely easy to offend a transgender person. Being near one and not inadvertently offending one is a feat to be proud of!
reality: myth is true ;)
caution: this myth may offend someone
LOL, I kinda notice..
Myth: If you masturbate with your gentiala, it means you are not trangsender.
Reality: We have to make do with what we were given, at least until SRS (for MTFs). God may have made an error when creating us, but he didn't take away our sensate feelings and the ability to orgasm so might well make do with it.
Myth: Transgender women people look like characters on RuPaul's Drag Race
Reality: THEY WISH.
Most transgenders look like members of Metallica, very nerdy homely girls, or your local renfair junkies.
Myth: Transgender people women wear a ton of makeup
Reality: Most of them couldn't do makeup to save their lives.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 28, 2011, 06:56:49 PM
Myth: Transgender women people look like characters on RuPaul's Drag Race
Reality: THEY WISH.
LOL, I have total respect for the dragqueen community but I've watched about 12 of those episodes and I hope i don't look like what I've seen on those shows!
A twilight fan:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.logotv.com%2Fshows%2Frupauls_drag_race%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fmarquee%2Freunion_special%2Fnina%2F510x340.jpg&hash=3f1977de32630172be77e62b010ec217263ea0a0)
Someone who I'd rather not meet alone:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.logoonline.com%2Fshows%2Frupauls_drag_race%2Fseason_02%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fcasting%2F400x300.jpg&hash=8a8a7bc7b6e6fbbce1b6f9eb9ed891947da950d6)
An Extra from "28 Days Later":
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Feugeneportfolio.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F03%2F400x300.jpg&hash=2a1e5d81fccd942b8d1864adf184b89832519efb)
Mimi from the Drew Carey Show:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_FW86_jO7k_A%2FTVFzj-HLHNI%2FAAAAAAACVmA%2FKdKNot1kg8k%2Fs1600%2FRPDRS3E3P1%25252B28.jpg&hash=7728768df25fc1b149157b0e68d41a344f8a3a24)
im totally content with my appearance :)
Quote from: Annah on December 28, 2011, 08:51:14 PM
im totally content with my appearance :)
I think you look great and passable. But I won't lie that I've seen some tgirls who look they should be on "Work it" thus making RuPaul's drag race characters look fabulous. Carmen looks like Kim Kardashian all done up.
Bare Esceuntals gave me a free drag-style makeover in purple shades for a trangsender show last year -
I totally loved it and they did a knockout job - my eyes were at its fiercest! But definitely can't wear that everyday, heh. Also it took an hour to do that makeup thing. No time for that. lol
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 28, 2011, 11:00:26 PM
Bare Esceuntals gave me a free drag-style makeover in purple shades for a trangsender show last year -
I totally loved it and they did a knockout job - my eyes were at its fiercest! But definitely can't wear that everyday, heh. Also it took an hour to do that makeup thing. No time for that. lol
Getting into traditional drag takes me about 2 hours....
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 26, 2011, 04:25:07 PM
Reality: Transwomen's penises actually shrink over the course of HRT and most of the well hung porn ->-bleeped-<- stars are not on HRT and just got implants and FFS, hence perpeuating the myth to straight men.
Myth: Transwomen's penises actually shrink over the course of HRT and most of the well hung porn ->-bleeped-<- stars are not on HRT and just got implants and FFS, hence perpeuating the myth to straight men.
Reality: I've been on HRT and anti - androgens for over 10 years and I have no shrinkage (unfortunitely).
Myth: Post-ops have it better than pre-ops.
Reality: Some of them still have it bad post-surgery; some even have it worse and spiral into further depression because: a) they realize with horror that it wasn't really what they wanted, b) they have penis blues (they thought they hated it but they never did) and regret losing it, and c) the ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s stopped coming to knock on their doors because their penises are gone
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 29, 2011, 10:05:46 PM
Myth: Post-ops have it better than pre-ops.
I'd like to take issue with this one, at least on the whole. The rate of regret for post-op women is something like 1%, the rest self-report being quite a bit more happy.
I understand that not everyone is happy after their surgery; but I think that a particular 'myth' is true is because it shares some relation to the actual fact of the matter.
Quote from: Guantanamera on December 29, 2011, 10:34:48 PM
I'd like to take issue with this one, at least on the whole. The rate of regret for post-op women is something like 1%, the rest self-report being quite a bit more happy.
I understand that not everyone is happy after their surgery; but I think that a particular 'myth' is true is because it shares some relation to the actual fact of the matter.
How do you know the percentage? Show me the proof.
Also, that is why I wrote it that way as a blanket statement
Post-ops have it better than pre-ops. since even a teensy 1% invalidates the myth.
Myth - Transition is required to deal with GID
Truth - Many fly under the radar and choose to live life with their dysphoria and find other ways to cope with it.
Myth - ->-bleeped-<-, or at least its compiled symptoms, are not prevalent in the trans community
Truth - Many transsexuals exhibit the symptoms described by ->-bleeped-<- exactly.
Myth: Post-ops are instantly accepted as "women" after surgery.
Reality: Even for some closed minded people, SRS won't change their minds even if that person got it. To them, they were born male, therefore male forever. They just went and self-mulitated their genitals.
Quote from: Guantanamera on December 29, 2011, 10:34:48 PM
I'd like to take issue with this one, at least on the whole. The rate of regret for post-op women is something like 1%, the rest self-report being quite a bit more happy.
I understand that not everyone is happy after their surgery; but I think that a particular 'myth' is true is because it shares some relation to the actual fact of the matter.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939)
The percentage of "regret" is very small however, to say 1%regret it and the rest are "more happy" as post operative is not accurate.
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 29, 2011, 11:45:28 PM
Myth: Post-ops are instantly accepted as "women" after surgery.
Reality: Even for some closed minded people, SRS won't change their minds even if that person got it. To them, they were born male, therefore male forever. They just went and self-mulitated their genitals.
Especially if they look like Howard Stern or members of Metallica. Like that girl that the DMV harassed in SF. Poor thing.
Quote from: brIAnna (interalia) on December 29, 2011, 10:47:26 PM
Myth - ->-bleeped-<-, or at least its compiled symptoms, are not prevalent in the trans community
Truth - Many transsexuals exhibit the symptoms described by ->-bleeped-<- exactly.
Counter myth: Many transsexuals exhibit the symptoms described by ->-bleeped-<- exactly.
Truth: The term ->-bleeped-<-, according to the DSM IV: "as a common occurrence in the transvestic fetishism disorder where one fantasizes, sexually, about being a woman".
Many transsexuals do not fantasize, sexually, about being a woman. One cannot fantasize about becoming a woman if they already are a woman. ->-bleeped-<- is as outdated as calling anyone with a learning disability as mentally retarded. We have progressed in the fields of psychology and the term ->-bleeped-<- is outdated and only those living in the dark ages would use it as a diagnoses.
Myth: ->-bleeped-<-s sound like men.
Fact: Only about a third do.
This could refer to the basic sound of the voice, vocal mannerisms, or expression. Some have a good voice, but still talk like men do...
Quote from: Kelly J. P. on December 30, 2011, 01:15:17 AM
Myth: ->-bleeped-<-s sound like men.
Fact: Only about a third do.
This could refer to the basic sound of the voice, vocal mannerisms, or expression. Some have a good voice, but still talk like men do...
I thought "->-bleeped-<-" was a no-no term...
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 31, 2011, 06:56:40 PM
I thought "->-bleeped-<-" was a no-no term...
I guess it what you make it for..
I must admit I say ->-bleeped-<- myself XD alot..
Quote from: Kelly J. P. on December 30, 2011, 01:15:17 AM
Myth: ->-bleeped-<-s sound like men.
Fact: Only about a third do.
This could refer to the basic sound of the voice, vocal mannerisms, or expression. Some have a good voice, but still talk like men do...
I dont know lol. The majority of trans women I have met online or in real life sound like men to me. I would safely say, for me, the ratio of trans who really do sound like women is 1:60.....from the experiences I have personally seen.
myth: transexual is a sexual orientation
realety: its not.
Quote from: Annah on December 30, 2011, 12:00:47 AM
Counter myth: Many transsexuals exhibit the symptoms described by ->-bleeped-<- exactly.
Truth: The term ->-bleeped-<-, according to the DSM IV: "as a common occurrence in the transvestic fetishism disorder where one fantasizes, sexually, about being a woman".
Many transsexuals do not fantasize, sexually, about being a woman. One cannot fantasize about becoming a woman if they already are a woman. ->-bleeped-<- is as outdated as calling anyone with a learning disability as mentally retarded. We have progressed in the fields of psychology and the term ->-bleeped-<- is outdated and only those living in the dark ages would use it as a diagnoses.
I agree with Annah wholeheartedly. How many natal women rely on feeling sexy or attractive as a sexual incentive? From what I can tell from my friends - very many. I feel the same way: I'm not interested in sex with a man if I don't feel like an attractive woman (although, according to the person who coined the term, ->-bleeped-<- is only used to explain feelings of transwomen attracted to other women). In contrast, feeling sexy allows me to feel more sexually receptive; granted, the vast majority of my sexuality relies on attraction to my partner and not feelings about myself, but my perception of self is certainly a factor. This is absolutely true of so many, many women and it is constantly reflected throughout popular culture.
I find Ray Blanchard's accusation of people who identify as women of merely having a sexual fetish for being a woman an absurdity at best. If anything, it helps to identify the reality that they are women - women who are trapped in a man's body and must use their imagination to improvise and access relief to their frustrations. Even in the most extreme examples - where some transwomen are aroused specifically by the idea of themselves as women - there are natal women in no starkly short supply who replicate this idea.
To add to the thread:
Myth: transwomen are incredibly bubbly and try to fit into Barbie stereotypes.
Reality: transwomen fit a wide range of personalities and interests in a fashion not unlike natal women.
Edit: The absence of a certain semicolon was driving me nuts!
Quote from: Annah on December 29, 2011, 11:52:56 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939)
The percentage of "regret" is very small however, to say 1%regret it and the rest are "more happy" as post operative is not accurate.
Annah,
this study shows that transsexual people are at a greater risk than the background population especially for suicide and coronar events. It does however not include a non-op transsexual control group and thus have no implications regarding whether a person undergoing SRS fares better before or after the surgery.
A number of reviews have shown that suicide rate drops from 20% in transsexual population to 1% in post-operative transsexuals. Anne Lawrence also did some very interesting studies of Quality of Life and regrets. Within a cohort of 232 post-op MTF women only one person reported quality of life as worsened and six reported it as unchanged. The rest reported improvement. AFAIR 59% reported a QoL improvement of +8 or more on a -10/10 scale and no person expressed outright regret.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12856892 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12856892)
As always, what is most important is that everyone decides what is right for their personal situation. There is a lot of evidence that SRS is medically indicated in those who desire it. On the other hand forcing SRS (or as sixteen European countries do; sterilization) upon people who do not desire it is a catastrophe.
^^
Aha! Science!
Myth: Transsexual = Pedophile
Reality: No. Just no. :icon_no:
Myth Transsexual women are the best ones to turn to for advice about transitioning.
Reality (Well Mixie's opinion) If a transsexual has dysphoria they can start projecting their own issues onto you. So for example if you think you have a bad hairline you will focus on it on someone else.
Myth Transsexual women can "always tell" and clock another transsexual woman.
Truth Half those you think you are clocking are cisgender. Only the ones you see are the ones you clock. The others pass beautifully.
This isn't transsexual but applies.
Biggest pet peeve.
Myth: Wearing lots of make up makes you look like more of a woman.
Reality Most women don't wear that much make up except for special occasions.
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 31, 2011, 06:56:40 PM
I thought "->-bleeped-<-" was a no-no term...
It was put there for effect. The myth comes from a place of ignorance and dislike, so I used the word "->-bleeped-<-" to suggest such imagery. To say that "only a third do" is in the spirit of trans elitism - it suggests that those that haven't mastered the voice are mere ->-bleeped-<-s, and that perhaps those that have move beyond that.
Rude... but reasonable. I do like to help emphasize how important the voice is. It's a shame that people are afraid to practice at times - I admit this includes myself. My voice is good, but I've heard a few that are better than me. So I guess I'd better keep trying to improve. It almost got me a free vaginal exam though! :D Being pre-op, I probably should have said yes. The shock humour would have been to die for... but alas, I did what a normal and decent person should do, and declined with the truth.
Quote from: Tippe on January 15, 2012, 09:32:16 AM
Annah,
this study shows that transsexual people are at a greater risk than the background population especially for suicide and coronar events. It does however not include a non-op transsexual control group and thus have no implications regarding whether a person undergoing SRS fares better before or after the surgery.
A number of reviews have shown that suicide rate drops from 20% in transsexual population to 1% in post-operative transsexuals. Anne Lawrence also did some very interesting studies of Quality of Life and regrets. Within a cohort of 232 post-op MTF women only one person reported quality of life as worsened and six reported it as unchanged. The rest reported improvement. AFAIR 59% reported a QoL improvement of +8 or more on a -10/10 scale and no person expressed outright regret.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12856892 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12856892)
As always, what is most important is that everyone decides what is right for their personal situation. There is a lot of evidence that SRS is medically indicated in those who desire it. On the other hand forcing SRS (or as sixteen European countries do; sterilization) upon people who do not desire it is a catastrophe.
I agree about the suicide statistics. I know about those numbers.
I am not advocating that post op regret is high. I am explaining that the percentage is higher than 1% and the 1% seemed to be made up...when people throw percentages around on the internet I want sources.
Also, about the Anne Lawrence thing. I trust her about as much as I can throw her, so all her data holds no weight to me. In my opinion, she's a fraud.
Quote from: mixie on January 15, 2012, 08:13:43 PM
Myth Transsexual women are the best ones to turn to for advice about transitioning.
Reality (Well Mixie's opinion) If a transsexual has dysphoria they can start projecting their own issues onto you. So for example if you think you have a bad hairline you will focus on it on someone else.
totally agree with this.
^^
Well, I wouldn't phrase it quite that way. I think trans folk can be very helpful with questions on transitioning that are not related to appearance (like resources, experience with surgeries, etc.). But frankly, the last people I'd ever ask about how I look are trans folk. Either we are too obsessive and negative (there's a reason I avoid those threads) or too oblivious and positive. Neither is particularly useful.
Myth: Being transgender is a choice.
Yeah....because I choose to be depressed and not being able to masturbate and enjoy it when my phantom limb acts up. I choose to feel isolated and alone in this world. Oh and for a man who is too cheap to spend $1 for a glass of lemonade in the middle of a desert. I happily CHOOSE to eventually spend thousands of dollars just so my body can match my mind even a little bit....yeah being transgendered is a choice alright.
Quote from: Annah on January 15, 2012, 09:21:46 PM
I am not advocating that post op regret is high. I am explaining that the percentage is higher than 1% and the 1% seemed to be made up...when people throw percentages around on the internet I want sources.
I say 1-1.5% based on the studies I have read.
Here is one:
"Regrets
Immediately after the surgical intervention, certain subjects experience a period of dissatisfaction that can lead to regret. This feeling is generally temporary and most
often disappears during the year following the surgical transformation, without neces-sitating any new interventions [88]. Most often, it results from the confrontation of various difficulties (e.g., post-operative pains, surgical complications, unsatisfactory surgical results, departure of the partner, job loss, family conflicts, etc.). More serious and long-lasting regrets are rare. In a review of the literature, Pfafflin and Junge [89] report less than a percentage of regrets in FM subjects, and from 1% to 1.5% in MF (similar results have been reported by Kuiper: 0.5% in FM, 1.2% in MF subjects [50]) subjects (table II). An examination of the difficulties met by these different subjects reveals three major sources of regret: (1) diagnostic error (certain subjects show clear signs of psychosis); (2) absence of a real life test (the subjects were not part of a prolonged assessment of the adaptation of their new gender); (3) surgical interven-tional protocols which are not adequately adapted and the presence of deceiving surgical results (certain subjects had to wait for long periods of time before being able to proceed to the surgical interventional stage; several subjects suffered from surgical results that were aesthetically unsatisfactory and/or not very functional)."
[Michel A, Ansseau M, Legros JJ, Pitchot W, Mormont C. The transsexual: What about the future? European Psychiatry, 2002;17:353-62, p. 355]
another found 2 persons regretting in a cohort of 188, which is again roughly 1%
[Smith YLS, van Goozen SHM, Kuiper AJ, Verschoor AM, Cohen-Kettenis PT. CHAPTER 5 Predictors of the course and outcomes of sex reassignment - A prospective study I: Sex Reassignment : Predictors and Outcomes Of Treatment for Transsexuals. Universiteit Utrecht, 2002. s. 85-112. URL: http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/dissertations/2002-0808-103443/inhoud.htm (http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/dissertations/2002-0808-103443/inhoud.htm)]
The Pfaffin and Junge review quouted in the first article was based on 81 studies from 30 years, if I remember correctly.
The highest percentage of regrets I have seen is 3.8% found in a Swedish study. There is evidence, however that the percentage of regret drops when the surgeons receive more experience i.e. it is low in new studies and studies from high volume centers compared to early studies or studies in low volume centres, which puts Sweden at a disadvantage since they perform much fewer surgeries than for instance Thai and US surgeons.
All in all I believe 1% is a fair estimate in modern surgeries from top doctors, whereas it would probably be A LOT more common in Denmark, where only a single surgery is done every one or two years.
Quote from: Guantanamera on December 27, 2011, 12:02:26 AM
Not true- even the most beautiful trans women can be clocked by a simple DNA test.
Sorry to burst your bubble. :(
Ah heres another obnoxiously disgusting myth; sex is genetic. Tell that to women with AIS, or men with CAH.
I can assure you one thing is not a myth; the world would be better off without douche literalist.
With their fixed notions and predisposition to run with incomplete information; NONE contribute to society or science in any form. Rather they are the greatest detriment to the scientific process. Douchbag literalism is the leading cause of moronic fundamentalist and underminers of all things progressive.
Quote from: Malachite on January 16, 2012, 11:09:35 AM
Myth: Being transgender is a choice.
I chose to live as a woman. I tried different genders and found myself most comfortable this way.
Sometimes I feel guilty, not trans enough and stuff, because it was a decision to me rather than live or die, but at the end of the day my experience is "Girls have more fun :)" and I'm not ashamed of doing what feels right to me, empowered rather.
I was spoiled by queer theory and a counsellor who focussed on the euphoria of becoming who you long to be rather than the dysphoria of being who you do not. Sorry.
Quote from: Tippe on January 16, 2012, 01:27:27 PM...the euphoria of becoming who you long to be rather than the dysphoria of being who you do not.
These are not mutually exclusive. I think that's where the disregard of gender transition as a choice comes from. Dealing with any medical issue - both physical and psychological - is rarely a choice in the conventional sense; to call a gender transition a choice for many is to reach profoundly into the "I think, therefore I am" clause of life. It devalues the concept of choice to do this.
If you truly feel it was a choice for you, that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to project this onto others. Emotion, desire, compulsion, suffering, happiness, choice - these are not unilateral, universal images of the human condition.
Edit: I'm sorry, Tippe! I think I may have misread your intentions with your post as projecting your feelings onto others, but I see that you were only referring to yourself. I've become accustomed to hearing the argument from people that transitioning as a whole is a choice, and I jumped the gun a bit. As my post begins to say, though in a bit of a different context: if it was a choice for you and you're happy with it, I think that's perfectly okay/awesome for you. Sorry again!
Myth: You can't wear a dress, you're not a girl.
Reality: I can do whatever the hell I damn well please.
Quote from: Annah on December 27, 2011, 01:28:46 AM
not necessarily. A simple DNA test will not "clock" me. Trust me
Thread Rez
Would being XXY clock someone? So confusing!
Being XX is unlikely if you have children, since XX males are sterile.
XX males? Since when did those exist biologically?
Anywho--> Myth: Trans women are girly princess prancy types.
Reality--> I for one don't want the fairy-tale wedding (Beach barbeque, anyone? ;D), can use swords and throwing knives, and know how to build a rail gun for less than $100. :P
Quote from: DianaP on October 19, 2012, 11:08:54 PM
XX males? Since when did those exist biologically?
Myth: XX males do not exist.
Fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome)
Requires several unlikely factors but, they do. >.< lolz
Woah, that's trippy. Cool, but trippy.
Quote from: DianaP on October 19, 2012, 11:08:54 PM
XX males? Since when did those exist biologically?
Anywho--> Myth: Trans women are girly princess prancy types.
Reality--> I for one don't want the fairy-tale wedding (Beach barbeque, anyone? ;D), can use swords and throwing knives, and know how to build a rail gun for less than $100. :P
A trans-location of a piece of Y chromosome to and X chromosome, has been documented in the medical literature
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on December 27, 2011, 07:20:27 PM
This is the biggest myth of them all:
Myth: HRT works on everyone!
Fact: It doesn't!
You've been proven to be lying about your HRT. Over the course of only a year, you've claimed alternately to have been on HRT for 10, 12 and 14 years, and claimed that you had virtually no effects from it each time.
Quote from: Stealthy on October 21, 2012, 04:47:37 PM
You've been proven to be lying about your HRT. Over the course of only a year, you've claimed alternately to have been on HRT for 10, 12 and 14 years, and claimed that you had virtually no effects from it each time.
oh darn...
someone just put the hammer down
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on December 28, 2011, 08:11:27 AM
It's very sad how HRT is hyped up in medical journels by so called experts claiming it does this and that but in reality it's very limited. Many people starting out on their transitional journey are under the illusion that they will get fantastic effects from HRT but in reality it's limited and doesn't work on everyone.
I think I got good results with HRT. I know many others who have had good results too.
You have to take into account many factors. For example a 50 year old wont have as much good results as a 18 year old. However, I wouldn't go as far as to say HRT is hyped up.
Just curious, if you've been taken HRT for 14 years and there are no results, why are you still taking it?
Quote from: Annah on October 22, 2012, 10:23:15 AM
someone just put the hammer down
Quote from: Ave on October 22, 2012, 12:48:02 PM
no response? :O!
Ok, ladies and gentlemen, let's not egg on a conflict please. :angel:
Agreed - please stay on topic, folks :) :police: