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I hope I haven't offended you guys. I've been out of the picture for about 20 years.

I use to like MTFs but in the last 4 yrs i tend to like FTMs but then i always did. However, i am a platonic person now for 13 yrs so i seek only friendship  ;)

i like girls, but i voted "i like both" because im attracted to cisfemales and transwomen.
to me, a girl is a girl is a girl and if we get along and she's pretty then i have a hard time NOT hitting on her :P

I like transguys,
I like cisguys
I like girls
I like transgirls

I bet if we should put on who I am attracted too the most, then its other transguys or cisguys..
since im in general more attracted to guys.

I am attracted to women be they cis or trans above other genders.

I have no idea and I don't care.  I end up with who ever I end up with.
If I get back with my ex/best friend one day (who's cismale) then that's perfect, but other than him I have no idea who I would go for.  I don't even tend to find people attractive anymore, because if I do I realise how short I am compared to them and yeh... that kills it all.

MtFs and cisgirls.

But most of all I <3 my girlfriend. :)

I'm attracted to both males and females, I don't differentiate between trans and cis people. I have a preference for males though.

To be perfectly shallow, I like:

cismales
transmales
transfemales
cisfemales

in that order. People who are intersex or genderqueer have to be taken on a case by case basis, but they tend to fall more in the middle of that list.

This is bound to be one of the most shallow answers here, but I like mostly cis-females. Then again, I've never really been with anyone else and I don't know know how far other attractions extend because I'm been with more than a few people. I try to keep an open mind, but that's who I usually end up dating anyway.

Only exclusive to cismales.... I would like to experiment with women more. But I am not into them really.

Ciswomen and transwomen. I've never met a transwoman I've had chemistry with (there's less of them obviously) but I really don't think her medical history would affect things all that much.

I'm gay and attracted to cis and trans men.  I picked cismales only because there was no option for both and I'm more frequently attracted to cis guys than trans guys.  This is most likely to due population size than anything else.

I am primarily attracted to Cis women, but I've seen some smoking hot trans women as well. I would def keep an open mind in this matter. However, men are out. Not into them that way at all.

I'm into everyone!  ;D I think I lean towards men, both cis and trans, but I have had some mad crushes on women. I'm also attracted to people who mess with gender, in appearance or identity.

This would probably be better as a ticky box poll with the ability to select multiple options and the inclusion of genderqueer people, tho. And maybe include gender presentation (ie femme, masculine, androgynous). But I'm just being picky. :P

Quote from: Brian on December 27, 2011, 12:15:27 AM
I'm into everyone!  ;D I think I lean towards men, both cis and trans, but I have had some mad crushes on women. I'm also attracted to people who mess with gender, in appearance or identity.

This would probably be better as a ticky box poll with the ability to select multiple options and the inclusion of genderqueer people, tho. And maybe include gender presentation (ie femme, masculine, androgynous). But I'm just being picky. :P

I like your style

Cis or transwomen here.  Never been attracted to males at all.

Quote from: fionabell on December 27, 2011, 12:42:21 AM
I like your style

Fiona, I also think his style is very agreeable, but I like your pig. ;D

I am exclusively attracted to XX women. 

Whether or not someone has transsexualism is not a factor for me. Having this condition does not differentiate someone from any other member of their gender.

To me, there is no "cismen", "transmen", etc. Above all, we are just men. Same for females of trans experience.

Quote from: Gifted on December 27, 2011, 04:20:08 AM
Whether or not someone has transsexualism is not a factor for me. Having this condition does not differentiate someone from any other member of their gender.

That pretty much sums it up.

I prefer women (AFAB) only.. They're all I've ever dated or been with. Ever! However, FWIW my personal preference would rule out a pre op woman (AMAB), but not automatically a post op woman (AMAB) - but honestly, that would probably be a one off, individual sort of situation..

I disagee with the few guys above me..  IMO, there is a huge difference between trans and non trans people.  I would never date a transwoman and I see nothing wrong with that.

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 05:28:04 AM
I disagee with the few guys above me..  IMO, there is a huge difference between trans and non trans people.  I would never date a transwoman and I see nothing wrong with that.

What's the huge difference?

I'm most attracted to my boyfriend, who used to be my girlfriend. Though I must say that the thought of being with a cisguy 'scares' me because of the whole dick-thing. But that doesn't change the fact that some guys can get my hormones up.. still prefer women though.

I don't want to be with someone who was socialized and lived a large part of their live as male.  I want to be in a relationship with a woman who wants to have at least one kid (not adopt, foster, whatever...).  I'm attracted to short, slight, damn near dainty women.

Quote from: Nathan90 on December 27, 2011, 07:45:34 AM
I'm most attracted to my boyfriend, who used to be my girlfriend. Though I must say that the thought of being with a cisguy 'scares' me because of the whole dick-thing. But that doesn't change the fact that some guys can get my hormones up.. still prefer women though.

"Gay by nature - proud by choice"?

Kind of contradictory, m'dear.
;p

Really, I'm mostly curious as to whether or not you can explain this, because variations in people's sexual perspectives and tendencies often fascinate me.
:3

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 07:53:36 AM
I don't want to be with someone who was socialized and lived a large part of their live as male.  I want to be in a relationship with a woman who wants to have at least one kid (not adopt, foster, whatever...).  I'm attracted to short, slight, damn near dainty women.

There are trans women who transition very early,  and cis women who have identified as male during part of their lives. There are trans women and cis women who would love to give birth but can't. And of course there are trans women who meet what you want.

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 07:53:36 AM
I don't want to be with someone who was socialized and lived a large part of their live as male.  I want to be in a relationship with a woman who wants to have at least one kid (not adopt, foster, whatever...).  I'm attracted to short, slight, damn near dainty women.

Quote from: Nygeel on December 27, 2011, 08:05:46 AM
There are trans women who transition very early,  and cis women who have identified as male during part of their lives. There are trans women and cis women who would love to give birth but can't. And of course there are trans women who meet what you want.

I wouldn't be in a long term committed marriage-type relationship with a woman who couldn't or didn't want to have a kid.  If something happened down the line, that's clearly a different story. 

While it seems many people on this board and the new 'progressive' part of the trans community is down with this whole gender spectrum thing, I'm not a believer in it.  IMO, men are men, women are women, if you're not happy, you swap.  I would find it incredibly hard to believe that many non-queer minded biological women have gone through "hrmmm, maybe i'm a dude..." phases in their lives.

you don't need to understand or approve.  it's my bed, my life, and i'll share them with whoever i choose.

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 08:18:17 AM
I wouldn't be in a long term committed marriage-type relationship with a woman who couldn't or didn't want to have a kid. 

That makes no sense. It wouldn't be your genetic child whether she had it or you both adopted it. The reason why cisguys want a woman who will have babies is so that it's their(the cisguy's) genetic child.

Quote from: fionabell on December 27, 2011, 03:31:07 PM
That makes no sense. It wouldn't be your genetic child whether she had it or you both adopted it. The reason why cisguys want a woman who will have babies is so that it's their(the cisguy's) genetic child.

Passing on my genetics isn't something I'm interested in, even if I had the physical capacity to do so, but I'm sure the entire male population is happy with your explanation of their desire to have children.  There is nothing wrong with wanting to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner, even if you haven't tossed 23 chromosomes into the mix.

 :P

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 08:18:17 AM
I wouldn't be in a long term committed marriage-type relationship with a woman who couldn't or didn't want to have a kid.  If something happened down the line, that's clearly a different story. 

While it seems many people on this board and the new 'progressive' part of the trans community is down with this whole gender spectrum thing, I'm not a believer in it.  IMO, men are men, women are women, if you're not happy, you swap.  I would find it incredibly hard to believe that many non-queer minded biological women have gone through "hrmmm, maybe i'm a dude..." phases in their lives.

you don't need to understand or approve.  it's my bed, my life, and i'll share them with whoever i choose.

Fair enough you can believe and sleep with what you want, but can you give a reasoned argument as to why you don't believe in the gender spectrum and that "men are men and women are women?". It would be interesting to hear the basis of a POV which is different to mine.

Fair enough it's a fact that trans women are socialised as male for a certain part of their life, although it's quite subjective as to whether this would actually affect your relationship - what if you fell in love with a woman but found out she is trans - surely the male socialisation is irrelevant because you fell in love with the personality. If it's the case that the MtFs you meet seem different to you compared to GGs and it's apparent to you that they were socialised differently I could understand that, although there's such variation that it wouldn't be the case with every trans woman. However, I find it quite offensive that you infer that trans women are basically cannot be "short, slight, damn near dainty women." I know I'm more slight and petite than many of my genetic female friends and there are trans women who have transitioned even earlier who are as such as well.

QuotePassing on my genetics isn't something I'm interested in, even if I had the physical capacity to do so, but I'm sure the entire male population is happy with your explanation of their desire to have children.  There is nothing wrong with wanting to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner, even if you haven't tossed 23 chromosomes into the mix.

So it isn't because you can't have your genetic child with a trans woman, it's that you want to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner? Seems unusual to me personally you'd want it so badly that you would reject somebody who you could love but didn't have a womb, but I guess I can see the logic in that particular argument.

I'm attracted to both but as a ftm I will only get with females. Whether she be a transwoman or a ciswoman depends on how well I get along with her. If a transwoman passes enough for me to see her as a chick then she has as great of a chance as a ciswoman. Just saying.

I am exclusively attracted to cis-females.

Quote from: Mister on December 27, 2011, 04:40:58 PM
Passing on my genetics isn't something I'm interested in, even if I had the physical capacity to do so, but I'm sure the entire male population is happy with your explanation of their desire to have children.There is nothing wrong with wanting to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner, even if you haven't tossed 23 chromosomes into the mix.

yo dude, you realize you've already made a bunch of sweeping generalizations about the nature of trans and cis women, yeah? (And jsyk, I've met  "short, slight, damn near dainty" trans women. But thanks for playing~) I'm sure women as a whole are happy with your gross generalizations.

I'm not really attracted to anyone. There's no option for that.

It seems to be more complicated lately. I know for sure I like cis-women, and if anyone asks me, I say I am straight. But I am having more appreciation for males in general ever since being on T. I could never be in a relationship with a man, but I think I could have sex with a man depending on who he was. It's not that I haven't considered all of that, I just don't feel like I would want a relationship with a man. This is still all stuff that I have under consideration, but I know for absolute certain I like cis-women, but I am not closed off to anyone else. It's one of those case by case basis.
(as a commercial comes on with the opening line of "I love women")

I am attracted to cis women. I can't say I have never found a trans woman attractive, but I don't know if i could have a relationship with one. I'm attracted to bodies and minds. Anatomy issues could be very hard for me to overcome,if not impossible, even if i really like them.

I'm my experience a lot of trans people seem to be extremely uptight, over sensitive and pc police everything. Or very into gblt culture and stuff. I don't know if we could have the same connection.

A part of me really wants to be a father now. I accept that i will never be able to have biological children. And it does bother me that hypothetical wife and I would have to use another man's sperm, but at least the child will be half my wife. I think it's cool when kids look like their parents. I would like to see my wife in them. I would like to be there at the start, go to ultrasounds, see them develop and grow, feel them swim around, the whole 9 yards.

Quote from: Gifted on December 27, 2011, 04:20:08 AM
Whether or not someone has transsexualism is not a factor for me. Having this condition does not differentiate someone from any other member of their gender.

To me, there is no "cismen", "transmen", etc. Above all, we are just men. Same for females of trans experience.

this.

I'm attracted to the person themselves, regardless of their gender. Every time I've tried to define my sexuality by what genders I'm attracted to at the time, the next person I date never ends up fitting that mold. I stopped caring so much about what genders I'm attracted to and now I have a wonderful boyfriend.

I must say though, sometimes I feel a gendered 'void' in my relationship (like my being is missing out by not dating a femme id'd person or a non-binary person). Fortunately I'm poly and in an open poly relationship, so if the right person comes along then that's no longer an issue. ;D

Quote from: Weston on December 28, 2011, 06:34:25 AM
I'm attracted to the person themselves, regardless of their gender. Every time I've tried to define my sexuality by what genders I'm attracted to at the time, the next person I date never ends up fitting that mold. I stopped caring so much about what genders I'm attracted to and now I have a wonderful boyfriend.

I must say though, sometimes I feel a gendered 'void' in my relationship (like my being is missing out by not dating a femme id'd person or a non-binary person). Fortunately I'm poly and in an open poly relationship, so if the right person comes along then that's no longer an issue. ;D

So is your name Poly or weston i am confused  ???

Quote from: Amazon D on December 28, 2011, 10:11:11 AM
So is your name Poly or weston i am confused  ???

Weston. Poly is short for polyamorous.

Exclusively attracted to cismen. Always disliked women and I don't think I can take being with an FTM.

I'm attracted to men, but I'm pretty sure that's because I envy their bodies, and I'm not attracted to women since I despise my female body.
Emotionally I'm more attracted to women because they tend to be more loving and tender.

Quote from: brayden2100 on December 28, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
I'm attracted to men, but I'm pretty sure that's because I envy their bodies, and I'm not attracted to women since I despise my female body.
Emotionally I'm more attracted to women because they tend to be more loving and tender.

I'm the same way but with women. I find myself envious and jealous of their bodies. As of right now, I cant see myself with a man. It might be because the majority of men I know are kind of asses when it comes to dealing with women. I've always been friends with girls over boys my whole life, I've just always related better to them.

I'm attracted to MEN, be them cis or trans* or what-have-you. I'm not opposed to dating anyone who is genderqueer or female, though, I just prefer men.

Based on my situation (pre everything ftm and have only done online dating and never even had a real kiss), I am going to go with how I would feel.

I find cismales attractive physically I cannot see myself being in a long term relationship with one because of my horrible dysphoria.  It is nothing against him.  He could be the most perfect man in the world but when it would come to intimate encounters I would get VERY dysphoric knowing that he has something that I want downstairs and he is okay with it.

I think I am most attracted to cisfemales.  I would love to feel the touch of a soft woman one day who could make me feel like more of a man.

Transwoman- I feel like we could connect on a really deep level since we have similar experience of issues being transgendered.

Transmen- Haven't gave it too much thought but same as transwomen I think the deeper thing still applies

I identify as pansexual so whoever I fall for is just who I fall far.  I'd be VERY lucky to find anyone considering my personality is bland, I'm a rather ugly pesstamistic person with little ambition in my life.

just ciswomen :3

Quote from: Assoluta on December 27, 2011, 05:08:10 PM
Fair enough you can believe and sleep with what you want, but can you give a reasoned argument as to why you don't believe in the gender spectrum and that "men are men and women are women?". It would be interesting to hear the basis of a POV which is different to mine.

A reasoned argument?  Is there one supporting the gender spectrum?

QuoteIf it's the case that the MtFs you meet seem different to you compared to GGs and it's apparent to you that they were socialised differently I could understand that, although there's such variation that it wouldn't be the case with every trans woman.

This is absolutely true.  I lived with 4 MTFs for a year, have worked with probably two dozen, am involved in local orgs dealing with trans youth and have met many, many more in the course of my time on this spinning rock both IRL and on the interwebs.  I have yet to meet a single lady that has the same emotional 'feel' as a non trans woman.  Of course, I can still be proven wrong and am open to that.

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So it isn't because you can't have your genetic child with a trans woman, it's that you want to experience pregnancy and childbirth with your partner? Seems unusual to me personally you'd want it so badly that you would reject somebody who you could love but didn't have a womb, but I guess I can see the logic in that particular argument.

It seems unusual to you that I want to have as normal/natural a family as possible?  Uh, why?  Should I limit myself to adoption/fostering only because I can't knock my lady up? 

Quote from: Mister on December 30, 2011, 04:14:18 AM
A reasoned argument?  Is there one supporting the gender spectrum?

The best argument comes from simply observing the world around us. If people are claiming identities that fall outside the socially prescribed model of male and female, how can we objectively deny how they feel? The idea of "men being men" and "women being women", also varies from culture to culture and varies within different time periods. A simple example illustrating this is that pink was originally viewed as a strong, masculine colour and blue was a feminine colour. The fact that you mention trans women as significantly different to cis women and have a different "emotional feel" is one example demonstrating such variation. I could go on but that's the basics of the point of view I hold.

QuoteThis is absolutely true.  I lived with 4 MTFs for a year, have worked with probably two dozen, am involved in local orgs dealing with trans youth and have met many, many more in the course of my time on this spinning rock both IRL and on the interwebs.  I have yet to meet a single lady that has the same emotional 'feel' as a non trans woman.  Of course, I can still be proven wrong and am open to that.

Fair enough if this is your experience so far, what may be interesting is if you met a trans woman but were not aware of her past, it's possible that you may then perceive her through a different perceptive 'filter'.

QuoteIt seems unusual to you that I want to have as normal/natural a family as possible?  Uh, why?  Should I limit myself to adoption/fostering only because I can't knock my lady up?

I didn't say it was unusual for you to have a normal/natural family, that's something completely understandable. I said it was unusual to use it as a basis to reject somebody that you were in love with. From another viewpoint I could ask why do you limit yourself to a "normal/natural" family only because your partner can't get pregnant.

I guess it's a case of differing views. If I couldn't have children with my partner in whatever way I wouldn't reject them if I truly loved them, I'd try to find the best way through it, but there are those that think otherwise.

It's okay, Assoluta. Mister likes what he likes.

I'm into men only.

QuoteA simple example illustrating this is that pink was originally viewed as a strong, masculine colour and blue was a feminine colour.

And this has exactly what to do with the tea in china?  "Oh gee, I have blue shirts hanging in my closet.  This means I have a somewhat feminine identity?"  Come on.

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Fair enough if this is your experience so far, what may be interesting is if you met a trans woman but were not aware of her past, it's possible that you may then perceive her through a different perceptive 'filter'.

This has happened.  I was unaware for several weeks but still she stood out to me.

QuoteI didn't say it was unusual for you to have a normal/natural family, that's something completely understandable. I said it was unusual to use it as a basis to reject somebody that you were in love with. From another viewpoint I could ask why do you limit yourself to a "normal/natural" family only because your partner can't get pregnant.

Everyone has reasons to date or not date a perspective partner-- religious, moral or political views, physical attraction, etc etc etc....   If I met a woman who said she didn't want a family, I wouldn't pursue a relationship since her viewpoint on something so critical is diametrically opposed to that of my own.  Ten years ago I'd have said that it doesn't matter and that love will conquer all blah blah...   but part of a happy, healthy relationship means accepting that you cannot change your partner nor can you short change yourself.  I wouldn't date an alcoholic.  I wouldn't date someone with a criminal record.  I wouldn't date someone who was pro life, anti-lgbt rights or advocated for putting religion back in our schools.  Why would I date a woman who didn't want to have children?  And if she wanted desperately to have genetic carbon copies, I wouldn't expect nor want her to date me.

Im attracted to women, and have only ever been with women.
I must admit, Im not into genderqueer or types that arent on the typical binary scale.

Quote from: Mister on December 30, 2011, 10:53:44 AM
And this has exactly what to do with the tea in china?  "Oh gee, I have blue shirts hanging in my closet.  This means I have a somewhat feminine identity?"  Come on.

That wasn't my point. I said it was a "simple example" as it illustrated the point that perception of the 'reality' of gender changes within different times and different cultures. That was the point, not for colours to necessarily reflect gendered identities.

QuoteThis has happened.  I was unaware for several weeks but still she stood out to me.

Fair enough if that was the case that time around.

QuoteEveryone has reasons to date or not date a perspective partner-- religious, moral or political views, physical attraction, etc etc etc....   If I met a woman who said she didn't want a family, I wouldn't pursue a relationship since her viewpoint on something so critical is diametrically opposed to that of my own.  Ten years ago I'd have said that it doesn't matter and that love will conquer all blah blah...   but part of a happy, healthy relationship means accepting that you cannot change your partner nor can you short change yourself.  I wouldn't date an alcoholic.  I wouldn't date someone with a criminal record.  I wouldn't date someone who was pro life, anti-lgbt rights or advocated for putting religion back in our schools.  Why would I date a woman who didn't want to have children?  And if she wanted desperately to have genetic carbon copies, I wouldn't expect nor want her to date me.

That is true, not WANTING to have children would be a much bigger issue and something that would seriously compromise the relationship. As I mentioned before, I think it's just a case of differing views as I would be willing to find other ways to have children, even if it was a 'second best' option, but people are free to think otherwise. This is the only truly understandable point for me personally as it's based on something objective - a GG (normally) has a womb and can become pregnant and a TS woman doesn't have a womb. However, when it comes to personality or aura, or how they were socialised, these are subjective and varied things, and while many TS women may give off a certain "vibe" and would not be attractive to you, it is probable that there are a proportion who don't.

I'm not saying you necessarily "ought to like" TS Women but it can pay to be more open to what a TS woman could be and view it as a less black and white issue.

I'm mostly attracted to women in general but, I have to admit, a handsome guy can turn me on.

It's funny, I'm actually not physically attracted to anyone! Are there other asexuals around these parts? But when it comes to close company, I tend to wish for a companion who's softer around the edges, and likes to be cuddled and comforted - which seems more typical among women but certainly isn't restricted to either gender.

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I'm not saying you necessarily "ought to like" TS Women but it can pay to be more open to what a TS woman could be and view it as a less black and white issue.

I'm open minded to trans women.  I'm open minded to black women.  I'm open minded to tall women. Repeat ad nauseum.

Doesn't mean I have ever been attracted to them.

I'm attracted to women, cis or trans. I can also find men attractive, but it's more a "I wish I was like that" than a "marry me :3" feeling.

im being dead honest here, but intelligence, humour, kindness, and self esteem turns me on the most. If someone is smart (booksmart and commonsense smart), humourous, and don't feel sorry for oneself I can utterly fall in love with that person regardless of gender presentation, gender biology, etc etc

So, I cannot vote. The Poll is too limiting.

Quote from: Mister on December 30, 2011, 04:14:18 AM
I have yet to meet a single lady that has the same emotional 'feel' as a non trans woman. 

Would you say that no ftm has the same emotional feel of a non trans man as well?

Quote from: Mister on December 30, 2011, 04:14:18 AM
It seems unusual to you that I want to have as normal/natural a family as possible?  Uh, why?  Should I limit myself to adoption/fostering only because I can't knock my lady up?

I don't understand why with this topic you can't just limit yourself to this and leave it at that.

You're perfectly welcome to date or not date, be attracted to or not, whoever you like.  That's your call and I would never tell you different.  But once you start with this "emotional feel" and "men are men" stuff?  Dude, you are using the same kind of language that cisgender people use to oppress us.  Especially saying there's no gender spectrum - that's deciding people's identities for them and there's no way that's okay.

Quote from: fionabell on December 31, 2011, 03:24:21 AM
Would you say that no ftm has the same emotional feel of a non trans man as well?

This, as well as what Tommy said. How can we as transpeople expect others to love us, accept us, and see as as our true gender, if we can't do the same for other transpeople? To date us as transpeople when we can't do the same?

No trans person will ever have the same emotional feel as a cisman.
We simply can't feel the same because we are different because of what we've gone through and we weren't raised as men from the start.
Saying that has nothing to do with loving and accepting other transmen. Just because you don't 'feel' the same to one person doesn't make you any less of a man.
There's also nothing oppressive about it, imo. I'd like to date a gay guy, because's they know what it's like to be male... in a way, they can teach you or something. Can't explain it very well.

I personally won't date a FTM because of the same reasons as Mister + they're not my taste, just like I won't date some guy that towers above me, or has completely different interests etc.

I'm sorry, but I have to say this....



Mister, weren't you socialized as female?

How are you not part of a gender spectrum since your entire argument implies that someone who has transitioned can never be read quite the same as someone of that bio-sex? What does this say for you as a person? Does this mean that a straight identified biofemale could never accept you as a man and therefore should not want to date you?
These are the types of implications that can be drawn from the things you are saying. You're free to date whoever or whatever you want, but don't try to justify it with difference in "emotional feel" when you have suspicions about someone being trans, because it seems that it may bother you to date someone who is not bio-female. Not dating someone because of their bio-sex is your personal choice - but by implying that it's anything more than a personal choice actually says a lot more about how you should be viewed by society as well.
I've never dated a MTF before either, but I wouldn't dare say that it has anything to do with MTFs if I never do, because it doesn't. It would have everything to do with my personal perception of them.

Quote from: JasonRX on December 31, 2011, 04:21:47 PM

How are you not part of a gender spectrum since your entire argument implies that someone who has transitioned can never be read quite the same as someone of that bio-sex? What does this say for you as a person? Does this mean that a straight identified biofemale could never accept you as a man and therefore should not want to date you?

Way to put words into someone's mouth.

When I'm tired, I want to give up, because I'll never be as good as cis to some people. I'll always be given to the radicals and hipsters, even though I'm no longer cool, no longer interesting, and no longer want to live on the margins.

I'm not always tired.

Quote from: Nezhi on December 31, 2011, 04:58:35 PM
Way to put words into someone's mouth.

If you saw all of what he was saying, that's what it seemed like he was implying.
Sorry. Not putting words into someone's mouth if it sounds like someone is implying something. I never said he actually said these things.