Before you could be your feminine self, did you try to be the most macho guy ever?
These is a list of masculine roles that many transgender women had before they decided to be honest with themselves:
- Military - Marines, air force
- Muscle - bodybuilders, wrestlers, weightlifters
- Autoguys - Mechanics, race car drivers, dirt bike riders, truck drivers
- Sports - a lot of Football players
- Blue collar country boys- hunters, fishermen
Some of these are crossdressers, some in the middle, some not sure, and some transitioned completely and had SRS.
I think it's fascinating how these macho, masculine guys become these feminine, elegant women. I've seen it with my own eyes at conventions and conferences. It's just amazing to see the transformation.
The Ex-Macho and medal-rewarded Para-Soldier Ian Hamilton, now Jan Hamilton, is a must in this thread(Links below the pictures).
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Meh, I was never hypermasculine... like Masha and I discussed in the other threads, we were gay men prior to transitioning and had femme interests already. I believe those qualities were advantageous to assisting our passing better, as we already were familiar with makeup, how to dress and behave, etc, etc. And helped cut down on the time learning how to behave like a female. lol
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I was extremely manly, as you can see.
Quote from: sysm29 on December 29, 2011, 01:27:52 PM
Before you could be your feminine self, did you try to be the most macho guy ever?
These is a list of masculine roles that many transgender women had before they decided to be honest with themselves:
- Military - Marines, air force
- Muscle - bodybuilders, wrestlers, weightlifters
- Autoguys - Mechanics, race car drivers, dirt bike riders, truck drivers
- Sports - a lot of Football players
- Blue collar country boys- hunters, fishermen
Some of these are crossdressers, some in the middle, some not sure, and some transitioned completely and had SRS.
I think it's fascinating how these macho, masculine guys become these feminine, elegant women. I've seen it with my own eyes at conventions and conferences. It's just amazing to see the transformation.
Oh hai! I did all of that. Yep.
Truth is, most of us like that only do it to try and prove to ourselves and everyone else that we can be masculine... Well, that never worked for me. I can't be something I'm not. I really know quite a bit about fashion, etiquette, etc., but I just never really informed anyone of my interests in it, except for my brother. In reality, I spent more time researching my "true" interests than my "faux" ones.
BUT, I actually do enjoy cars and motorbikes!!
http://www.girlracer.co.uk/ (http://www.girlracer.co.uk/) and http://www.offroadvixens.com/ (http://www.offroadvixens.com/) (I have one of their stickers on my truck :)).
Quote from: JoeyD on December 29, 2011, 01:59:33 PM
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I was extremely manly, as you can see.
Oooo am I seeing double?!?!
I love cars ( I am a huge F1 fun and soon I will start karting in the free time I hope ), and well I guess something fits or not. Nothing is masculine or femminine, it all depends by your perception of it, if it suits you or not. Of course people, as me , as many, tried to suppress their real feelings, I did this doing many things I would never do, just because I tought they were manly. But now I do just things I want, and if they're feminine then it's ok, if someone else consider them manly good for them.
Onestly my real problem is not anymore exxagerating manly aspects, but finally do fem things I always loved and I am not allowed by social rules.
Life is always acting. Before it was acting as my opposite. Now I would like to act a bit as me
Hmm.
I have been in the military (flew fighter jets).
I have lifted weights.
Tried to be macho but I was terrible at that.
I have really struggled to be the man everybody wants me to be. Now I am done trying!
However I still like flying and will continue with that, but I am not into fighters anymore.. Flying airliners it much better and less stressing, and there is alot of girls there too.
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 29, 2011, 02:23:53 PM
Oooo am I seeing double?!?!
Oh that's just my twin.
I love them, too bad for what happened to mom though.
So much sexyness trying to come out of one vagina, she couldnt take it.
She exploded and thus we were born with little rainbows shining down on us.
-bows-
I joined the military, but I don't feel that I would say it was because of hypermasculinization that I joined so much out of a natural sense of duty and service. If I could stay in, and the culture wasn't so openly anti-LGBT, I would. If I was born biologically female, I likely would have still joined.
I never felt a desire to be super masculine, outside of the usual alpha male chest beating that is often necessary to survive in a male-centric military environment (if you aren't willing to thump your chest a few times and push back, it just invites further mockery). There is the possibility that my heavy desire to try and join the combat arms and go to war may stem from, if not hypermascunity, from a need to find purpose and a place in life. "War is a force that gives us meaning" as war correspondent Christ Hedges says. I do have far less desire to seek out a war the more I accept myself.
I joined the RAF. As a Propulsion Mechanic no less. What could be more manly than fixing jet engines? so much power in such a phallic shape. spewing fire from the end. It's manhood canned!
But I wasn't macho. Heck on one base, we had an inter-departmental netball contest. Guess who wore the netball skirt? :P
none of the above, always been androgyne
I was quite thin and didn't try to be macho. I joined the Navy, but that's the only 'macho' job I had. Even though I was thin, I still manage to function in the Navy, even when I was put on Shore Patrol while my ship was in port. I've seen a lot here on Susan's about Army ranger types and even a quarterback transisioning!
Joelene
Quote from: sysm29 on December 29, 2011, 01:27:52 PM
Before you could be your feminine self, did you try to be the most macho guy ever?
You must be joking! the thought of it turned my stomach!
Quote from: MsDazzler on December 29, 2011, 01:44:55 PM
Meh, I was never hypermasculine... like Masha and I discussed in the other threads, we were gay men prior to transitioning and had femme interests already. I believe those qualities were advantageous to assisting our passing better, as we already were familiar with makeup, how to dress and behave, etc, etc. And helped cut down on the time learning how to behave like a female. lol
Not to mention because being a gay man automatically means having honest female friends. If it wasn't for my gg friends, I don't know where I'd be. Older transwomen don't usually know much about fashion or presentation. How I feel is irrelevant if I look like crap.
Anyways...this was me in 2007:
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No one ever described me as masculine. But I had interest in both...fashion, military stuff, makeup, drag queens, etc
I work in the car trade, I never really planned to, or wanted to but it was the family firm. I am not really built for it so proved amazingly bad at fixing them, but far more sucsessful at selling bits of them and calming angry customers when they go berzeck when I have to tell them there lovely car is very broken.
I've no idea if the others there know im trans or not, I wear heavy duty clothing as its always freezing cold and very dirty in the shop, but like to think my nail varnish hints at it, and have turned up when the alarm has gone off in full female mode with out any one really saying anything or caring, so I've no idea. I quite like the position I've made for myself, and no other form of income unless my paintings sell so I'm quite happy there for the moment.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 29, 2011, 04:43:15 PM
Not to mention because being a gay man automatically means having honest female friends. If it wasn't for my gg friends, I don't know where I'd be. Older transwomen don't usually know much about fashion or presentation. How I feel is irrelevant if I look like crap.
Anyways...this was me in 2007:
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No one ever described me as masculine. But I had interest in both...fashion, military stuff, makeup, drag queens, etc
Come on Mahsa! In just about every photo I have seen of you, you pull that face. I know you have more facial expressions than the duck face. It's so not you!
Photo issues aside, it's hard to picture you as a boy. ^_^
Quote from: Keaira on December 29, 2011, 05:35:11 PM
Come on Mahsa! In just about every photo I have seen of you, you pull that face. I know you have more facial expressions than the duck face. It's so not you!
Photo issues aside, it's hard to picture you as a boy. ^_^
Not every photo...I am smiling in most photos.
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There you go!! ^_^ A winning smile is so much cuter than a duck-face pout. Thanks for sharing Mahsa. *hugs*
Quote from: Keaira on December 29, 2011, 06:47:55 PM
There you go!! ^_^ A winning smile is so much cuter than a duck-face pout. Thanks for sharing Mahsa. *hugs*
This thread is like an amtrak train or is it ->-bleeped-<-. :)
I can deffiantly say that I have tried to "toughen myself up" and have endured the hypermasculin stage most of my life. A lot of it actually came from just how tall I am which really hurt my self confidence and confidence in being able to pass. Also growing up in the south in the "redneck riveria" didn't help matters either. So I took up lifting heavy weights, fishing and all the redneck activities along with hanging out with a lot of closed minded rednecks, and multiple other things to cover up what I was dealing with. All it did though was just make life an even more living hell then before and I finally reached a time where I had to just accept that I am a female and to live the life I want and deserve.
Yes. I have:
-attempted to go to a military service academy (Westpoint, etc.) but couldn't because of medical reasons
-attempted to enter Navy SEAL training (couldn't because of medical reasons)
-done wrestling, brazilian jiu-jitsu, boxing, cage fighting, etc.
-done bodybuilding
Quote from: jdinatale on December 29, 2011, 09:35:54 PM
Yes. I have:
-attempted to go to a military service academy (Westpoint, etc.) but couldn't because of medical reasons
-attempted to enter Navy SEAL training (couldn't because of medical reasons)
-done wrestling, brazilian jiu-jitsu, boxing, cage fighting, etc.
-done bodybuilding
I had planned to join the Air Force, but alas...don't ask don't tell.
I've personally always hated hypermasculinity, never partook in it, and have never been attracted to the guys who partake in it. However, I've always found myself either wanting to be a girl, or wanting to be a popular guy so that I can get close to the guys I have crushes on. Life has always been very "common sense" for me, and I've always had a specific type of guy that I like. Just so happens that at my age, all the "popular guys" are the guys who look very feminine, so I've always wanted to look like that while I transition (with the help of facial surgery and anti-androgens), identifying with whatever gender I feel like on whatever day all while looking soft and feminine everyday, and undergoing the full female transition when I feel like it, because I also know that's the eventual conclusion for me - I just feel like being a woman from all corners is something I want to fully accomplish around age 25 or 30, with simply looking more girlie and soft (in boy or girl form) as something I want to accomplish first and right now.
Been a lumberjack, tree surgeon, got into/initiated more fights than i can remember, tried to do weight lifting at the gym much to my brother's embarrsasment. Still as girly just more beaten up and scarred, but thats life!
Never done any of that stuff, hell I even disagree with things like the military. o;
Personality wise I've always just acted as myself, with interests, mannerisms and stuff. I just didn't present how I wanted (femme clothes etc), not that it didn't stop people being bullies because I had somewhat girly mannerisms.
Not "hyper", but still stereotypical masculine activities, 30 years in the Police, martial arts, surfing, hunting, cars, motorcycles. The only activities I have kept from that part of my life are motorcycling and fishing, and there are plenty of women around here who do those.
Karen.
I'm a late transitioner and I lived most of my life engaged in thrill seeking, adrenaline rush, risky activities. :icon_yikes:
I like my new life much better. :)
Jennifer
I always believed if I could be a better boy/man the feelings would go away so I worked out a lot, pumped iron and engaged in every contact sport and the rougher the better including several fights. Looking back I obviously was trying to prove to myself that I was a real man and it was my way of coping with the feelings that tormented me. Of course in the end none of that helped. After too many years of living in denial and fighting against myself I've finally accepted the fact I am a woman however I'm a woman with a muscular body, a big chest and broad shoulders that I would like to get rid of.
I have immersed myself into the worlds of auto racing, aviation, guns and the sciences. All stereotypically boyish things, but really, I didn't do it to prove my masculinity or anything. I'm still very interested in all of those things, and I see no contradiction between me liking them and being female.
I'm not the flamboyantly girly type anyway. Just a nerdy girl in a nerdy guys body. That's how I would define myself.
I have always been a gentle soul and quite feminine in my manner. As a gay guy I loved to be the passive one but did enjoy getting my own way too :laugh:
I was airline cabin crew for 4 years ( how gay) but also drove a bus for a year which i hated as it was dirty and too rough. It is also a lonely job. The only thing i did to masculinize myself was lift weights for a few years. This was because i knew i had to change something about myself and guessed appealing to my masculine side would work. At first it did boost my confidence but it did not last for long. I just was not like all the other gym rat dudes I shared the gym with. Gimme feminine features and curves any day.
Only one I'd fit in is autoguy but it was just being raised around race cars and race tracks, not something I did to prove myself.
Thinking back the closest thing I did that could be seen as trying to act masculine was when I was a super angry cocky guy or "Alpha Male" as some put it. That wasn't even to appear manly in this sense though really, it was born from the need for a date so really strictly for women not to convince other guys I was one of them. The nice guy route rarely worked so after a lot of heartbreak I gave the warped women around me what they wanted. Never treated them bad but would treat other people bad to give off that vibe of self confidence. I was in total Honey Badger mode and I still feel bad about it.
Honestly I always admitted I wasn't a typical guy. Just never meant it back then, like I realize now it really was.
I don't fit into any of the ones you described there ... I did try to be a really macho guy at one point in my life but I just couldn't do it. I'm just way too nice for that.
So I ended up doing all sorts of computer-related things, which is also more of a male-dominated thing. The only thing that stuck to me is gaming, that's the only thing I actually enjoy doing ...
Quote from: Lynn on January 04, 2012, 04:17:26 PM
I don't fit into any of the ones you described there ... I did try to be a really macho guy at one point in my life but I just couldn't do it. I'm just way too nice for that.
So I ended up doing all sorts of computer-related things, which is also more of a male-dominated thing. The only thing that stuck to me is gaming, that's the only thing I actually enjoy doing ...
I actually do toy customs. Currently workin on a Michael Jackson.
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