I still don't get it why PASSABLE POST-OP GODDESSES like revealing they are trans? :-\ Ok, it's ok to tell to family, to close friends and close ones but to go creating YouTube accounts and going on local TV channels etc... I find it not wise. Some straight men would accept a beautiful transwoman but MAJORITY of the straight men are 'strict straights' and will still have that bigotry of 'Ewww, she was born a man, there was a penis in that same spot before, it's just a castrated men, you won't be able to bare me a child, you're just a castrated man etc...'
I saw VERY BEAUTIFUL POST-OP "STILL" HEAVILY INSULTED on Youtube by strict straight guys. The worst I saw some telling to the Goddess Kelly van der Veer of Netherlands "What a CREATURE, I'll stab IT to death with a knife"(AND I'M 100% SURE IF THIS VERY SAME PERSON DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS TRANS, HE'D LIKE TO HOOK HER UP, HOW HYPOCRITE THEY ARE) or others would say ambiguous stuff as "You are very beautiful but I still will not make it with you cos I want a natural woman". They don't realize how much more they would be appreciated by straight men if just they kept their mouth shut.
And it's not only about straight men but the WHOLE SOCIETY, society would be more likely to accept you if you say you're a bio woman than a transwoman cos of all the prejudice we face heavily. They will view you as a '3rd gender' and not consider you and treat you like a real bio woman, and for the jealous midgets, they will use your trans thingy to downgrade you always.
And what about you? Do you think a very beautiful passable post-op should reveal she is trans to everyone or NOT? Give reasons for your answer.
I think it's an individual choice whether to reveal yourself or not. The girls you are talking about are extremely brave, and help to make us more visible (and perhaps more accepted). I don't think I could do it personally, but I have a huge amount of respect for someone who has the guts to be that open about themselves.
Being born transsexual eats up your brain. It causes you to focus your whole being on your wrong-gender issues.
Transitioning is such a wonderful relief that it's difficult to stop shouting about it from the rooftops. You want everyone to know. You want to tell the world. As you start on hormones and live full time, you want to tell everyone you meet.
Most people don't care. They really don't want to know. They have their own problems and really can't comprehend yours.
Many true transsexuals will tell you that the moment they came out of the anesthetic after the surgery, they knew their brain was changed. They will tell you that they were forever changed and cured of being transsexual. They will say that they are now women, plain and simple. As you go through the recovery period and adapt to life as a woman, you stop talking about it. You ARE a woman, just like half the population. They don't talk about it, why should you?
Finally, you are just you. The woman. When you meet people, you don't introduce yourself as "Alice, the person with the birth defect". You are just Alice. No more, no less.
It's time for Alice to be Alice. You meet guys, you date guys. Guys come and go from your life. They're guys, wanting what guys want, doing what guys do.
At some point, you may get serious. Most will say it's time to talk. By then, they know and love Alice.
I don't believe the best way to live is to constantly talk about your birth defect. I don't believe it's best to focus your whole life on your birth defect. I don't believe it's best to show everyone your birth defect. You're Alice.
Many will disagree with this. I am who I am and I don't talk about my past to everyone, unless they have a serious need to know. Casual acquaintances have no reason to know. It's not a secret, it's just not on the front page.
Quote from: holly on January 04, 2012, 06:43:40 PM
I think it's an individual choice whether to reveal yourself or not. The girls you are talking about are extremely brave, and help to make us more visible (and perhaps more accepted). I don't think I could do it personally, but I have a huge amount of respect for someone who has the guts to be that open about themselves.
Hi there, do know according to official statistics/pollings if majority of us reveal or NOT reveal?
As an activist, I will always identify as transgender even if I pass one day.
Personally, i don't want to be seen as a cis woman because i am not a cis woman. Cis women didn't go through what we have been through, I want to wear my transition with pride. ^-^
As for what you mentioned about straight cis men accepting beautiful trans women...I don't do things for "straight cis men" I do things for myself as a trans woman, being accepted by cis straight men isn't my goal in life, accepting myself is and I would hope the same for other trans women.
Whether or not I'll ever be "very beautiful and full-passable" remains to be seen. But even if that will happen, I will not hide my past. I am not ashamed of who I've been. I've sired two kids and will always be their father.
So, that's my take on it.
I don't get it either. Intellectually I can understand it and see even a need for the person and for the of society in general to do it. Personally, I wouldn't. Way too risky for my blood.
Quote from: Happy Girl on January 04, 2012, 06:06:32 PM
I still don't get it why PASSABLE POST-OP GODDESSES like revealing they are trans? :-\ Ok, it's ok to tell to family, to close friends and close ones but to go creating YouTube accounts and going on local TV channels etc...
And what about you? Do you think a very beautiful passable post-op should reveal she is trans to everyone or NOT? Give reasons for your answer.
Kia Ora HP,
::) It's quite possible a passable [attractively so] trans-woman's motive for revealing herself is to do with the 'frill factor' 'shock value'..."The look on their face when I told them, was priceless!" :icon_yikes: Mind you this would be done in an environment where they felt safe doing so...
::) Another possibility/reason could be they want to get in first before they are outed by others...As many already know, it can be a dog eat dog[or bitch eat bitch ;)] world out there[for the competitive trans-women]...
Metta Zenda :)
Maybe they're just comfortable with who they are and don't feel it should be a secret?
It's not impossible for someone to like being trans.
I don't think anyone's passable. Not even those beautiful ones that start HRT when they are 12. There's always people who can tell.
Quote from: fionabell on January 04, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
I don't think anyone's passable. Not even those beautiful ones that start HRT when they are 12. There's always people who can tell.
Aren't there cis women with physical characteristics that could be considered trans-like?
Quote from: fionabell on January 04, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
I don't think anyone's passable. Not even those beautiful ones that start HRT when they are 12. There's always people who can tell.
That is so true.
I think I pass on a very superficial level... somewhere between female impersonator and gender illusionist... I have a feminine appearance and can pull off many different looks. But that isn't the same as someone who was BORN GENETIC XY-FEMALE...sorry, not transgender women will ever be on the same level as a woman born woman. It's a sad truth...
Are everyday people aware? errr. Probably not. The people we surround ourselves with take us at face value and "is that a ->-bleeped-<-?" is the last thing on their mind.
Especially horny ass men who need cataracts. LOL
Quote from: rosetyler on January 04, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
Aren't there cis women with physical characteristics that could be considered trans-like?
Men have larger ripcages, wider jaws, square faces, larger skulls, different hand shapes, different proportioned limbs, etc
Women have a lighter bone structure, triangular jaws, small hands, longer legs, etc
Again...If you're looking at things either through rose colored glasses or on a superficial level.
Quotewarping memories from her childhood
This is starting to get to me. I'll start to answer a question about my background and have to make a judgment call whether to change the subject, fudge the details, or out myself.
Plus I have a kid and my legal status as her parent often has to be clarified. I'm also politically active and tend to get involved in civil rights issues, where it helps to be out.
I probably wouldn't tell a soul if I didn't have strong reasons for doing so.
(I know I'm a boy, not a very beautiful and "full-passable post-op." :P)
The simple answer is to help other transwomen by sharing their secrets and showing those of us just beginning that it is possible to live a normal life as a woman. Giving someone hope goes along way confidence wise.
Quote from: Asha on January 04, 2012, 11:41:32 PM
The simple answer is to help other transwomen by sharing their secrets and showing those of us just beginning that it is possible to live a normal life as a woman. Giving someone hope goes along way confidence wise.
I am sure one day you'll discover gold and be richer than all the kings in Africa.
Now that's hope!
Quote from: fionabell on January 04, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
I don't think anyone's passable. Not even those beautiful ones that start HRT when they are 12. There's always people who can tell.
I disagree. A good number of people (both guys and girls) actually don't believe me when I tell them I'm trans. They think I'm joking or just testing them or something.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on January 05, 2012, 12:06:05 AM
I disagree. A good number of people (both guys and girls) actually don't believe me when I tell them I'm trans. They think I'm joking or just testing them or something.
Same here.
One of my gay friends confronted me once and said, "what is with you, you're a crazy ass ->-bleeped-<- hag. I mean why are you so obsessed with gay men...are you insane?"...
then I showed him my ID and things all made sense.
Some women come out also because of the lack of role models for younger trans women. Take Janet Mock for instance. I mean the number of role models we have is a very small number.
Honestly, if I could ever pass, be beautiful, etc. and go stealth, I may come out later just to help others. What's wrong with that?
Quote from: Keaira on January 05, 2012, 12:33:02 AM
Honestly, if I could ever pass, be beautiful, etc. and go stealth, I may come out later just to help others. What's wrong with that?
Whats wrong with that?
IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU!j/k....you should totally do that
Quote from: fionabell on January 04, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
I don't think anyone's passable. Not even those beautiful ones that start HRT when they are 12. There's always people who can tell.
This is something that's really making me depressed right now. I've seen a lot of transwomen lately that I would never guess just from the picture. However I know that isn't the normal results, and as fiona said, someone would probably figure it out anyways.
I still find it hard to believe I could ever pass, I wish I had not seen a doctor last year for medication and stayed in my ignorant depression till it killed me, I was so close too. Stark reality sucks.
I'm sorry for going off topic. I need to do something other than complaining on a blog or forum.
Quote from: Amalina on January 05, 2012, 01:01:16 AM
This is something that's really making me depressed right now. I've seen a lot of transwomen lately that I would never guess just from the picture. However I know that isn't the normal results, and as fiona said, someone would probably figure it out anyways.
I still find it hard to believe I could ever pass, I wish I had not seen a doctor last year for medication and stayed in my ignorant depression till it killed me, I was so close too. Stark reality sucks.
I'm sorry for going off topic. I need to do something other than complaining on a blog or forum.
*hugs*
Don't transition because it's hard. Do it to really be you! If you have a defeatist attitude towards transition then you wont make the extra effort to reach your goal. And you really wont have a chance at passing when you could be just a hair away.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 05, 2012, 12:35:32 AM
Whats wrong with that?
IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU!
j/k....you should totally do that
I should shouldn't I? and you're right, it isn't about me, it's about
INSPIRING HOPE!:P
Quote from: fionabell on January 04, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
I don't think anyone's passable. Not even those beautiful ones that start HRT when they are 12. There's always people who can tell.
That's a myth but ok.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on January 05, 2012, 12:06:05 AM
I disagree. A good number of people (both guys and girls) actually don't believe me when I tell them I'm trans. They think I'm joking or just testing them or something.
I've seen this happen. Some people pass startlingly well.
Quote from: Felix on January 05, 2012, 01:31:21 AM
I've seen this happen. Some people pass startlingly well.
yea, well when I've said I was trans to people who dont know me that welltheir response has usually been "Oh, you're becoming a guy?"
But, I've tasted 'passing'. and I like it!
Quote from: Felix on January 05, 2012, 01:31:21 AM
I've seen this happen. Some people pass startlingly well.
Nurse asked me if there was any chance I could be pregnant before I had my wisdom teeth ripped out yesterday.
I've never been clocked in the 5months I've been out. It's not as uncommon as you'd think.
Quote from: Keaira on January 05, 2012, 01:38:18 AM
yea, well when I've said I was trans to people who dont know me that welltheir response has usually been "Oh, you're becoming a guy?"
But, I've tasted 'passing'. and I like it!
Lolya I went to a dinner gathering of queer people I didn't know and somebody asked me if I was on estrogen yet. :laugh:
http://janetmock.com/2012/01/02/telling-your-truth-storytelling/ (http://janetmock.com/2012/01/02/telling-your-truth-storytelling/)
case in point.
Quote from: Keaira on January 05, 2012, 02:49:02 AM
http://janetmock.com/2012/01/02/telling-your-truth-storytelling/ (http://janetmock.com/2012/01/02/telling-your-truth-storytelling/)
case in point.
Damn she's sexy
I seem to pass pretty well, so could stay under the radar. I don't go around shouting it from the rooftops, but will out myself if it is likely to become apparent.
Like today, when I had to produce ID to apply to rent a house. To make the 100 points of ID I produced a copy of my Birth Certificate, and quietly pointed out my name change to the agents rep. She was totally cool with it.
At my age I really don't think there is much point in worrying about most people's opinions most of the time. Lots of natal men and women my age feel the same.
Karen.
It is a complete myth that no transperson are fully passable. I don't know who invented it, but if I would take a guess, it probably have transphobic origins, as it is only in those connections I have heard/seen the statement in the past.
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Yep. So not passable. LMAO!
I wish I was that slim.
Quote from: Bishounen on January 05, 2012, 11:55:15 AM
It is a complete myth that no transperson are fully passable. I don't know who invented it, but if I would take a guess, it probably have transphobic origins, as it is only in those connections I have heard/seen the statement in the past.
I've seen plenty of transwomen say that you can always tell. I take it as a projection of their own dysphoria. The same way that an anorexic will often criticize the weight of other women.
There are plenty of cisgender women who knocked Christina Aguilera for gaining weight. Kelly Osbourne took the opportunity to slam her by saying "I was never that fat." Well you can see how it unfolds. A woman's worth is attached to her "to be looked at ness" value. Which perpetuates even to small children. Women who are not sucked into the idea that their measure of worth is dependent on how others view her, will not care as much about these issues as other women. Kelly slamming Christina is odd. You see that she also slammed her fiance's lover by saying negative things about transgender women. Clearly Kelly Osbourne has issues. People criticized her for her looks. I feel bad for her. But it's a cycle. If you believe what others say about you and let it get to you then you will suffer.
One interesting thing about the way celebrities are picked apart in the press, I have actually seen Tori Spelling in person. She is absolutely gorgeous in person. I think the camera emphasizes her face in a strange way and makes her eyes look huge etc. In person she's stunning. She is someone who I think doesn't rag on other people and lets things bounce off her back. And I'm sure that if you didn't know who she was and someone said she's trans people would believe it.
In fact in one of the threads on here there was a cisgender woman's picture put up an everyone starting saying she didn't pass. Funny.
And I do agree that getting older helps. Partially because you have most likely achieved more in the real world and realize that very few of your long term accomplishments have anything to do with your looks. They might help you along but there are millions of gorgeous women in the world. You need to be a strong person at the end of the day.
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I've seen plenty of transwomen say that you can always tell. I take it as a projection of their own dysphoria. The same way that an anorexic will often criticize the weight of other women.
There are plenty of cisgender women who knocked Christina Aguilera for gaining weight. Kelly Osbourne took the opportunity to slam her by saying "I was never that fat." Well you can see how it unfolds. A woman's worth is attached to her "to be looked at ness" value. Which perpetuates even to small children. Women who are not sucked into the idea that their measure of worth is dependent on how others view her, will not care as much about these issues as other women. Kelly slamming Christina is odd. You see that she also slammed her fiance's lover by saying negative things about transgender women. Clearly Kelly Osbourne has issues. People criticized her for her looks. I feel bad for her. But it's a cycle. If you believe what others say about you and let it get to you then you will suffer.
One interesting thing about the way celebrities are picked apart in the press, I have actually seen Tori Spelling in person. She is absolutely gorgeous in person. I think the camera emphasizes her face in a strange way and makes her eyes look huge etc. In person she's stunning. She is someone who I think doesn't rag on other people and lets things bounce off her back. And I'm sure that if you didn't know who she was and someone said she's trans people would believe it.
In fact in one of the threads on here there was a cisgender woman's picture put up an everyone starting saying she didn't pass. Funny.
And I do agree that getting older helps. Partially because you have most likely achieved more in the real world and realize that very few of your long term accomplishments have anything to do with your looks. They might help you along but there are millions of gorgeous women in the world. You need to be a strong person at the end of the day.
People imagine to see a lot of things that aren't even there if being fired up enough.
Reminds me of the comment section to a musicvideo with the openly transsexual Hip Hop-artist Sydney Starr. She is post-op and anatomically female, and yet there were comments posted about how you "could clearly see her penis in the pants", or, that you could "Clearly hear on her voice that she is a man"(Which you so can't), and so on.
I also agree that it is easy to fool people into thinking that a Bio-female is really a trans- All that is basically needed is that someone pretends to put up a pic of a transgendered person and people will immediately see all kind of "obviously revealling" things.
That being said, it can sometimes also go the exact other way, that people are just too nice and tells a trans-person that very obviously is unpassable, that she/he looks 100% passable.
However, unless talking about dangerous situations, I really do not think it is of any greater importance whether someone fully passes or not, as long as the person is happy her or himself, and if someone truly do not pass, then that truth should only be revealled to the unpassable if he or she actually asks about it and wants advice, not otherwise.
Quote from: rosetyler on January 04, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
Aren't there cis women with physical characteristics that could be considered trans-like?
Exactly. Practically everyone has some traits that would traditionally be associated with the other gender.
Quote from: Bishounen on January 05, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
People imagine to see a lot of things that aren't even there if being fired up enough.
Reminds me of the comment section to a musicvideo with the openly transsexual Hip Hop-artist Sydney Starr. She is post-op and anatomically female, and yet there were comments posted about how you "could clearly see her penis in the pants", or, that you could "Clearly hear on her voice that she is a man"(Which you so can't), and so on.
I also agree that it is easy to fool people into thinking that a Bio-female is really a trans- All that is basically needed is that someone pretends to put up a pic of a transgendered person and people will immediately see all kind of "obviously revealling" things.
That being said, it can sometimes also go the exact other way, that people are just too nice and tells a trans-person that very obviously is unpassable, that she/he looks 100% passable.
However, unless talking about dangerous situations, I really do not think it is of any greater importance whether someone fully passes or not, as long as the person is happy her or himself, and if someone truly do not pass, then that truth should only be revealled to the unpassable if he or she actually asks about it and wants advice, not otherwise.
I have a few female friends that are very unattractive. One is very heavy and has a thick neck, she also has a lot of unfortunate facial hair. She started dating in the black community because she felt she didn't stand a chance with white guys who judged a lot more by weight. She's got a sort of mean countenance because of this and she's been treated poorly. I feel bad for her.
But she's a cisgender. She would be shredded on here. There's a difference between saying "Do I pass as female" and "Do I look like an attractive female" I suppose many trans m t f look at women through rose colored glasses and see pretty women. But there are many unattractive women. They still look like women but they are not very pretty. So an unattractive m t f will still look 100 percent female to me but just not as feminine as some others.
I really do think it's important. I've suggested before that if a person is worried about passing, they might want to lower their standards a bit and look at women who reflect more of what they really look like rather than hold up impossible ideals.
For me for example I am an amazon. I've seen people post on here numerous times that if you are tall you won't pass. I've shared my experience at being "clocked" as a transwoman when I'm cisgender. It doesn't upset me the way it would upset a mtf. When it happened to me when I was younger I'd get a bit down in the dumps about it and go on the next day and be sure to gussy up and put on make up. I mean I can hardly blame someone if I'm walking around with a shaved head and no make up. Etc. So I don't take it to heart.
The difference it seems is that when a transwoman gets clocked they immediately dive into thinking they aren't passing instead of realizing that cisgender women are often clocked as well. Cisgender women can have deep voices, cisgender women can have strong jaws or even look like they have an adams apple when they don't. Look at Ann Coulter. They can be brawny and big.
You can't let someone else's opinion that you don't pass get you down. And if you keep getting clocked that's one thing. But if it's a once in a while thing, it happens to cisgender women as well if they have some masculine features.
I will never be a petite skinny girl like Jessica Alba. I can sit around and be miserable or get on with it. When you get on with it and love who you are you set the standard for how others treat you as well.
Quote from: Happy Girl on January 04, 2012, 06:06:32 PM
And what about you? Do you think a very beautiful passable post-op should reveal she is trans to everyone or NOT? Give reasons for your answer.
Kia Ora HP,
::) My first response didn't take into account you mentioning 'youtube', so................
::) For a 'passable' trans-person to go public on youtube, they are taking a risk when it comes to potential partners[that is not knowing if they like them as a person or whether it's their transsexual past that is attracting them] and of course potential employers especially if they don't wanting to be seen as something 'special'[the token transsexual-the topic of the coffee breaks gossip in their work place]...
::) But on the other hand, the life of deep stealth can be a hard life and very claustrophobic, going from one closet into another with hardly any breathing space...
::) In the long run it's all down to the individual's comfortability with their transsexual past, and whether a passable deep stealth trans-woman is beautiful of not doesn't really matter, they both share the same sense of anxiety of being found out... However due to the fact that they are capable of 'blending in' [that is, they don't greatly challenging the general public's concept of gender] even with this kind of exposure [youtube] life won't be as hard as for those who for whatever reason do not have the ability to full blend in...
::) *But then I should also add for the non blenders the positive[even though one might not see the positive at first] people who accept you, accept the whole you and you are free from having to spend life [an anxious one at that] in a claustrophobic closet!*
::)
"If you change the way you look at things - the things you look at change !" ::) Happiness comes from within ...
Metta Zenda :)
Quote from: Laura91 on January 05, 2012, 01:00:06 PM
Who the hell cares about "straight men"?
Men are repulsive. End of story.
I care about straight men and men in general. They pay my salary.
Sorry, I respect you as a lez...But there are those of here who love men.
Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 05, 2012, 02:57:47 PM
I care about straight men and men in general. They pay my salary.
Sorry, I respect you as a lez...But there are those of here who love men.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! Laura thinks she has the right to insult anybody. You should really consider taking your bad attitude somewhere else. And to think you use to be "staff".
Quote from: JenJen2011 on January 05, 2012, 03:04:27 PM
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! Laura thinks she has the right to insult anybody. You should really consider taking your bad attitude somewhere else. And to think you use to be "staff".
+1
Quote from: JenJen2011 on January 05, 2012, 03:04:27 PM
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! Laura thinks she has the right to insult anybody. You should really consider taking your bad attitude somewhere else. And to think you use to be "staff".
Kia Ora JenJen,
::) Laura has her right to 'her' opinion,[no matter how harsh it might come across], one does not have to agree with it...Let's not forget this...
Metta Zenda :)
Quote from: Laura91 on January 05, 2012, 04:37:56 PM
:D
Wow.
Chill the .... out.
I find men repulsive and will say that any .... time I feel like it.
With that being said, I couldn't care less if anyone wants to be with a guy. Hey, knock yourself out.
So you're saying more sausage for me...fine with me HUN. OMG.
Do you also find gay men repuslive/ You know, the florally scented ones who love divas and say, 'OMG" and "hun" every sentence.
Smells like bitter lonely lady up in here.
Quote from: JoeyD on January 05, 2012, 05:41:50 PM
Smells like bitter lonely lady up in here.
I hate women...I hate them a lot and find them repulsive cuz they don't hit on me as much as the men.
j/k
Hey folks, could we please put an end to the personal attacks and bashing? That would really be cool.
Quote from: Laura91 on January 05, 2012, 04:37:56 PM
:D
Wow.
Chill the .... out.
I find men repulsive and will say that any .... time I feel like it.
Of course you would, cuz none of them would ever give you the time of day with that ......... attitude of yours.
Quote from: JoeyD on January 05, 2012, 05:41:50 PM
Smells like bitter lonely lady up in here.
+10000000000
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on January 05, 2012, 05:46:39 PM
Hey folks, could we please put an end to the personal attacks and bashing? That would really be cool.
She just said "men were repulsive". As someone who has a gay man inside of her, that offended me.
Enough already, Laura gave her opinion, she didn't force it on anyone else.
Its time for the thread to move on.
Quote from: Sarah Louise on January 05, 2012, 06:11:29 PM
Enough already, Laura gave her opinion, she didn't force it on anyone else.
Its time for the thread to move on.
Very well.
Please, No more responses about Laura's post, they will be deleted.
Move On.
Quote from: mixie on January 05, 2012, 12:47:14 PM
I've seen plenty of transwomen say that you can always tell. I take it as a projection of their own dysphoria. The same way that an anorexic will often criticize the weight of other women.
There are plenty of cisgender women who knocked Christina Aguilera for gaining weight. Kelly Osbourne took the opportunity to slam her by saying "I was never that fat." Well you can see how it unfolds. A woman's worth is attached to her "to be looked at ness" value. Which perpetuates even to small children. Women who are not sucked into the idea that their measure of worth is dependent on how others view her, will not care as much about these issues as other women. Kelly slamming Christina is odd. You see that she also slammed her fiance's lover by saying negative things about transgender women. Clearly Kelly Osbourne has issues. People criticized her for her looks. I feel bad for her. But it's a cycle. If you believe what others say about you and let it get to you then you will suffer.
One interesting thing about the way celebrities are picked apart in the press, I have actually seen Tori Spelling in person. She is absolutely gorgeous in person. I think the camera emphasizes her face in a strange way and makes her eyes look huge etc. In person she's stunning. She is someone who I think doesn't rag on other people and lets things bounce off her back. And I'm sure that if you didn't know who she was and someone said she's trans people would believe it.
In fact in one of the threads on here there was a cisgender woman's picture put up an everyone starting saying she didn't pass. Funny.
And I do agree that getting older helps. Partially because you have most likely achieved more in the real world and realize that very few of your long term accomplishments have anything to do with your looks. They might help you along but there are millions of gorgeous women in the world. You need to be a strong person at the end of the day.
thanks for that, inspiring post :)
Mixie,
You hit the nail on the head. Not all women are pretty and many would not pass according to standards set here. Just look around wherever you go.
You pass by being a woman.
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