I hate cisgender people,
they're always annoying me.
either they are ignorant, dont understand a s**
or they are cruel or prejugding.
there exuse is always that they dont know better,
they want to be educated but they also want it to be okay to be ignorant cause they dont know.
I cant live with it, of corse theres also sweet, understandings cisgender people, but mostly they drive me nuts..
I dont like to feel responsible for everyones ignorance.
am I the only one?
I don't hate cisgender people.
They're the only people I know.
Everyone is ignorant about something.
Everyone can be cruel and prejudge.
You aren't born with knowledge about transgender issues. It's not inherently wrong to not know a thing about trans issues.
You're not responsible for everyone's ignorance.
I don't so much hate them as much as I envy them. I wish I could be born a biological male but if not hell I wish I was perfectly fine being a biological female. It would save me a lot of trouble in the long run but aside from that it makes me angry that the people who are perfectly okay with their bodies cast stones upon others who are trans and anyone cisgender for that matter, who is different from them. I understand some who may be more ignorant because it's not a daily part of their realities to go what we have to go through but it starts to get annoying when a cisgendered person knows someone who is trans and they treat him/her as if they were a computer asking them anything and everything WITHOUT doing their own research by themselves. If anyone really wants to be knowlegable about transgenders and trans issues then they should take the first step in doing so with more research on their own.
Quote from: Malachite on January 10, 2012, 08:30:11 PM
but aside from that it makes me angry that the people who are perfectly okay with their bodies cast stones upon others who are trans and anyone cisgender for that matter, who is different from them. I understand some who may be more ignorant because it's not a daily part of their realities to go what we have to go through but it starts to get annoying when a cisgendered person knows a transman and they treat him/her as if they were a computer asking them anything and everything WITHOUT doing their own research by themselves. If anyone really wants to be knowlegable about transgenders and trans issues then they should take the first step in doing so with more research on their own.
yeah its pretty much how I feel,
I really wish people would go reseash on some of the topics themself, once in a while.
Quote from: Sharky on January 10, 2012, 06:11:19 PMI don't hate cisgender people.
/me is not trans*
Thanks Sharky!
Quote from: Sharky on January 10, 2012, 06:11:19 PMEveryone is ignorant about something.
Everyone can be cruel and prejudge.
Yep, there's insensitive, ignorant people in every group. ;)
You saying you hate cisgendered people is just as ignorant as them saying they hate trans people O_O
Everyone is different, man. :)
Love.
there are few cis-gender peoples I like, but even in those there are people where the thing I hate most about them is there cis-gender and not trans.
I just dont have the same trust for cis-genders since most of them dont have the same understandings of me.
Quote from: Natkat on January 10, 2012, 09:56:33 PMI hate most about <cisgendered people> is there cis-gender and not trans.
I just dont have the same trust for cis-genders since most of them dont have the same understandings of me.
I don't hate or mistrust you for being trans. Please don't hate or mistrust me for being cis.
Quote from: rosetyler on January 10, 2012, 10:01:52 PM
I don't hate or mistrust you for being trans. Please don't hate or mistrust me for being cis.
I am sorry,
after experience I am about to lose that trust to cis-people.
I only have few of them I trust, because only few got knowlegde enough to be able to talk to normally, the rest will just hurt you, or put you down.
i agree with everything you said besides hating cis people.
Quote from: Sharky on January 10, 2012, 06:11:19 PM
I don't hate cisgender people.
They're the only people I know.
Everyone is ignorant about something.
Everyone can be cruel and prejudge.
You aren't born with knowledge about transgender issues. It's not inherently wrong to not know a thing about trans issues.
You're not responsible for everyone's ignorance.
This so much. There are trans people out there who are just as ignorant to trans issues as cis people. I think everyone is ignorant in the beginning of things. No need to hate them all because they aren't all the same.
Quote from: Andy8715 on January 11, 2012, 12:03:43 AM
This so much. There are trans people out there who are just as ignorant to trans issues as cis people. I think everyone is ignorant in the beginning of things. No need to hate them all because they aren't all the same.
I didnt hate all of them, but most of them, I just can't trust them fully,
Im afraid they will violate me, or send me back where i belong" (put me to hospitals or just try "cure me by talking me out of it")
or just turn there back on me when I least expect it.
I know its stupid.
its makes problems cause I cant even be true to the people i'm close to, I always have to hold myself back, to protect myself, and be awere of the time when they will rejejct me. if they where trans they would understand, but they arnt, so they can easly make something really messy or stupid who will hurt me badly without even thinking about it.
Another trans person can also make a situation messy - it's human to make error and we all want to be surrounded by understanding people who not only tolerate but love us.
I've found most of my support from cis-gendered folk.
It's all about patience in finding those people. They are out there but it takes time- it's a trial and error type thing unfortunately.
yeah it makes sense..
I guess I will correct my mistake, I dont hate all cis-genders, I am just very scared of some of them because they dont understand, and I hate to have those fellings for people around me.
Quote from: anibioman on January 10, 2012, 11:16:56 PM
i agree with everything you said besides hating cis people.
this
I think you probably posted in anger. I sometimes feel like I hate everybody. Life can get intense, and when it looks like a certain category of human is causing you more problems than others, it can be easy to generalize.
I hate tribals thinking that they diserve OUR resources. Welcome to the hate train buddy.
I also don't care for commies
Quote from: xXRebeccaXx on January 13, 2012, 10:52:58 PM
I hate tribals thinking that they diserve OUR resources. Welcome to the hate train buddy.
trolololololol.
The word "commie" always makes me giggle.
cis people can make me nervous but we also have to understand that we have allies out there
also i've learned to realize it's not my job to educate anyone
if they want to know something, i tell them to learn themselves.
Quote from: xXRebeccaXx on January 13, 2012, 10:52:58 PM
I hate tribals thinking that they diserve OUR resources. Welcome to the hate train buddy.
What does this mean?
Quote from: Andy8715 on January 13, 2012, 11:53:11 PM
What does this mean?
trolololololol.
For further evidence, refer to some of their other posts.
there are a couple of cis-gendered people I hate, simply because they make my life hell. But the majority of my friends are cis-gendered.
Yes, why don't we all hate whatever is different from us?
Quote from: Felix on January 13, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
I think you probably posted in anger. I sometimes feel like I hate everybody. Life can get intense, and when it looks like a certain category of human is causing you more problems than others, it can be easy to generalize.
half in anger half in fear.
cause even with those I feel good about, I am scared to trust them fully as people should.
see on another way,
I really like my famely and my mother, my mom have told me she accept me and love me for who I am.
later one she turned all agenst the idea because she dont understand.
I cant blame her for not getting it but still..
I find it very hard to trust people like that, even if they say there okay with it, then there will always be something they wont get,
like they say there okay with trans people but as suden you meet on the boys room they go all fussy about what your doing there or so on.
and cause there cis. I cant blame them cause they wouldnt understand when they havent tried it.
Quote from: Natkat on January 14, 2012, 10:02:55 AM
half in anger half in fear.
cause even with those I feel good about, I am scared to trust them fully as people should.
see on another way,
I really like my famely and my mother, my mom have told me she accept me and love me for who I am.
later one she turned all agenst the idea because she dont understand.
I cant blame her for not getting it but still..
I find it very hard to trust people like that, even if they say there okay with it, then there will always be something they wont get,
like they say there okay with trans people but as suden you meet on the boys room they go all fussy about what your doing there or so on.
and cause there cis. I cant blame them cause they wouldnt understand when they havent tried it.
I think what you mean to say is that you hate ignorant and uneducated people.
If you think about it, everyone has issues in their lives, whether they're trans or not, that not everyone else is going to understand. I can't blame my cis friends for constantly asking things like "well why can't you just go swimming?" without having to explain everything that makes me uncomfortable, because they think of me as a normal person and don't understand the dysphoria. But at the same time I don't understand my friend who used to be bulimic. To me, she looks fine, but to her she has issues with her own body as well, which I just can't understand as someone who's never needed to or tried to lose weight. I also can't always understand what my friend who's in a wheelchair goes through, our group of friends may make plans to go do something and he'll have to remind us that he can't go unless it's wheelchair accessible. We can all try to educate ourselves and learn to sympathize and learn what to do in certain situations, but every person in the world has some sort of challenges in their lives that we may not always be able to relate to.
Just read your own sig, normal people don't exist. ;)
Quote from: Berger on January 16, 2012, 12:46:03 AM
I think what you mean to say is that you hate ignorant and uneducated people.
If you think about it, everyone has issues in their lives, whether they're trans or not, that not everyone else is going to understand. I can't blame my cis friends for constantly asking things like "well why can't you just go swimming?" without having to explain everything that makes me uncomfortable, because they think of me as a normal person and don't understand the dysphoria. But at the same time I don't understand my friend who used to be bulimic. To me, she looks fine, but to her she has issues with her own body as well, which I just can't understand as someone who's never needed to or tried to lose weight. I also can't always understand what my friend who's in a wheelchair goes through, our group of friends may make plans to go do something and he'll have to remind us that he can't go unless it's wheelchair accessible. We can all try to educate ourselves and learn to sympathize and learn what to do in certain situations, but every person in the world has some sort of challenges in their lives that we may not always be able to relate to.
Just read your own sig, normal people don't exist. ;)
its sorta true, even thought theres points I dont understand I guess im pretty lucky in general because I grew up in those diffrent cultural things, where I got to meet alot of diffrent kinds of people.
I guess one of the hardest thing around cis-ones are when you feel diffrent" usunally I been hanging around people who where alittle strange in some way or another, but its kinda hard with those who grew up in complitely "normal" teams, learned how everything where suposed to be, you always feel diffrent or less, around those as you dont really belong in there system they learned, if they do or say something stupid you sorta cant blame them, but at the same way you dont feel like putting special exuses on them. I feel most transgenders are just way to nice forgiving all those stuff, and yet knowing they might not be invited home to famely partys cause the famely would look down on them, but is that really for the best, or do we do it because moral tells us we should be good exemple?
Lately I've been hurt a lot by misgendering from cispeople I used to respect and care about. Maybe I still do respect them, I'm not sure. But I'm even less sure that they respect me.
Quote from: Felix on January 23, 2012, 12:41:22 AM
Lately I've been hurt a lot by misgendering from cispeople I used to respect and care about. Maybe I still do respect them, I'm not sure. But I'm even less sure that they respect me.
I'm very sorry to hear that.
theres those kind of people everywhere, I know alot of people I have a nice time with but if I go deeper then they will be aganst me,
its sorta hard cause you dont notice those things right away. its not like if your black and they can see it already so either they are okay of if they have problems with you being black then you know right away cause you cant hide it.
being trans they might not know your trans or what it means, so its only when the situation comes up you see those point or not.
I hope you have other people beside those who actually respect you.
I began to be frustrated myself, with everyone, cisgender people and all, but then I realized just how much hate their is in the world. Sexism, racism, heightism, homophobiacs, ageism, etc... I became sick and just decided to stop hating because I was so tired of it. I was tired of arguing with myself. I want equality, for everyone. Just my own two cents there.
Hmm. I suppose as a cis I don't hate these people. I get incredibly frustrated by them. I also tend to distance myself from anyone who acts this way. But in the end people are blind. If they don't understand something it is very difficult for them to try to figure it out. For example they say the more Catholics in a city, the better LGBT rights are. So why is that? I think it's because the church has had to confront these issues and take a stance. And many people who are Catholic don't agree with the stance. So it's merged into a sort of "love the sinner, hate the sin" kind of thing.
Transgender issues seem to be making a lot more headway. People kinda understand that it's a medical condition. There are still bigots out there. But not all cis people are bigots.
I think it might also be a bit of resentment and jealousy. When I was younger I used to hate this girl who was rich. Now that I'm older it's really obvious how pathetic I was and jealous. But at the time I thought I was justified.
well its not a medical condition everywhere, but I see your point.
I guess the frustration would be normal for everyone for the situation. I put alot of work into letting people understand, so I guess it put me more down for that reason.
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I also have a rich friend I once where jelous of, but I dont think the situations is to compare, cause I dont know what people would be jelous about in transgenders. for me it seams more as people being ignorant, or just scared of something diffrent.
No I'm saying you are jealous and resentful of cisgender people because they don't have to deal with these issues. Life is easier for them. The same like being poor and having a rich friend. Life is easier for them.
Quote from: mixie on January 23, 2012, 02:38:13 PM
No I'm saying you are jealous and resentful of cisgender people because they don't have to deal with these issues. Life is easier for them. The same like being poor and having a rich friend. Life is easier for them.
yeah I would admit I am sorta jelous.. however its not really why I would hate or at least not enough.
its the ignorance thing of them not carring, or ignoring.
theres cis-genders people who care for transgender people and I am jelous of them, but I dont hate them, I hate when cis-gender dont care for transgender people, and just look down.
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