I am posting this in Transgender, Transexual MTF, FTM.
discuss! I hate how she keeps addressing us as transgender boys!
GSUSA_Transgenders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y514LSe8FWk&feature=plcp&context=C31dc6f5UDOEgsToPDskJcS_ks0KYWZzIJMLzICwso#)
thanks for sharing, but all i can say is
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi845.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab11%2Fxmandeh%2Ftumblr_lirg10qCBS1qzyj4po1_500.gif&hash=990fd901f0ce32db11cf978923569628a44454d0)
Not many things make me angry. This video did though... even if only because she reminds me of someone I knew. Time to go to the land of Skyrim, and blow people up with lightning. That's a healthy and psychologically fit thing to do.
Quote from: Kelly J. P. on January 12, 2012, 12:51:13 AM
Not many things make me angry. This video did though... even if only because she reminds me of someone I knew. Time to go to the land of Skyrim, and blow people up with lightning. That's a healthy and psychologically fit thing to do.
offtopic but...
"Time to go to the land of Skyrim, and blow people up with lightning. That's a healthy and psychologically fit thing to do."
if i was a heterosexual man, i'd definately want you as a girlfriend.
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i think no one should be upset by this video, because you clearly can tell that someone wrote this thing for her and she's just a tool for reading it.
The above video is just so sad. I couldn't watch it all the way though... It gives me hope though that this girl seems to be on the wrong side of history. The girl scouts are a great organization, I wish I had gotten to be a part when I was young.
Quoteofftopic but...
"Time to go to the land of Skyrim, and blow people up with lightning. That's a healthy and psychologically fit thing to do."
if i was a heterosexual man, i'd definately want you as a girlfriend.
Can't say I'd date a mage, but a melee berserker with a 2h Daedric axe? That I can't resist. ;D
Each time I see this being featured for discussion I feel very sad.
The girl is a child and clearly being manipulated.
It's wrong, we all know that. But we also all know that the reactionaries in N America, especially, don't seem to have any morality or scruples when it comes to pursuing their claims.
This example is especially sick because, while previously, children have simply been exposed and exploited, but the words are those of adults, here, the words appear to be from the child herself and we are ebing invited to attack a child.
The only bright side is that, eventually, these fascists will reach rock bottom. Their personal integrity will fall to a point where even they can't degenerate any further.
In the mean time. I will hope that the reats of us can do the socially and morally decent thing and simply rise above these sort of things.
Ignore it.
The girl is a child and clearly being manipulated.
Would you say that if she were asking to transition?
It is good that this matter is being reposted repeatedly, so that it is not forgotten and the public can see by the reactions that what this brat is saying is not okay in an equal World(Or atleast a World that should be equal, although it isn't).
There are also this discussion on the same matter: http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/teen-girl-scout-calls-for-cookie-boycott/ (http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/teen-girl-scout-calls-for-cookie-boycott/)
It is especially repulsive when someone, in this case a woman commenting on this yesterday in the comment section, opposes Transgendered children because, as she said; "The innocent little girls needs to be safe!"(From "boys masquerading as girls", she meant).
People as her love to hide their personal prejudices behind children, the Bible, Politics or some other Ideology or standpoint as an excuse, when in reality they don't care a fluff about any of thoser matters, as the excuses are merely a sheltering wall for them to hide behind as they are too much cowards to admit anything else.
Quote from: tekla on January 12, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
The girl is a child and clearly being manipulated.
Would you say that if she were asking to transition?
Not sure I understand.
As for the video, well... That person is either a retard or has been taught by retards. In either case, it's just sad.
I got to 1:36, and now I want to hit something. Or someone. Particularly that girl, or "cisgender boy" by her logic, basically. Yeah, she'll do.
Wait, I could have been a girl scout? :D
Sellin cookies in da hood brah.
Quote from: tekla on January 12, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
The girl is a child and clearly being manipulated.
Would you say that if she were asking to transition?
I'm sorry Tekla. But you'll have to listen to the video and hear what this child is actually saying.
can't view the video becuase it's marked as private
Oh. The author apparently realised that what she was saying was going to make people react. (Which is probably why comments and ratings were disabled in the first place).
Vote
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/01/vote-should-the-girl-scouts-allow-transgender-children-to-join--71343.html (http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/01/vote-should-the-girl-scouts-allow-transgender-children-to-join--71343.html)
I thank you scarred them off. the video was made Private.
The WJLA poll shows a 98.37% for allowing transgender M-F in the Girl Scouts at this posting. 12,895 out of 22,257 respondants. WOW! The comments has been flagged for abuse by WJLA though.
Joelene.
@Joelene9 just saw that it was great.
Indeed, good to see support out there.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Also
She troll herself. Noice. Kid, I like your style.
Response GSUSA Transgenders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCDtaGCjujc#)
This girl made me cry tears of joy. Truly an awesome person. If y'all dig I comment as OrcaBot on youtube. ^^;;
Quote from: Whitney on January 13, 2012, 12:50:24 AM
Response GSUSA Transgenders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCDtaGCjujc#)
This girl made me cry tears of joy. Truly an awesome person. If y'all dig I comment as OrcaBot on youtube. ^^;;
Two words: HELL YA!
Something weird, though... Is it common in the US for the scouts to separate genders? o.o
I have a small crush on her atm. Seems like a lovely girl. ;D
Quote from: A on January 13, 2012, 01:07:19 AM
Something weird, though... Is it common in the US for the scouts to separate genders? o.o
Always has been. Sometime they do common events, but in the 2 1/2 years I was in the BSA, we had no contact with the Girl Scouts on these. GSA and BSA are separate organizations. I went to a week-long astronomy event in the Florida Keys on a girl scout camp off season for them and it abuts the boy scout camp. The fence between those camps was higher and stronger than the fence that bordered the highway!
Joelene
Is it common in the US for the scouts to separate genders
Other than the word 'scouts' in their name they share nothing. They are two totally different groups, two totally different organizations, different boards and different philosophies.
It would seem, from some find by our own Tammy, posted here https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,113711.msg869627.html#new, (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,113711.msg869627.html#new,) that this was probably a young girl, put up to doing this by parents.
Sad that her parents are so certain of their own views that they are ready to sacrifice basic human decency and publicy humiliate and abuse their own child.
Quote from: tekla on January 13, 2012, 07:02:53 AM
Is it common in the US for the scouts to separate genders
Other than the word 'scouts' in their name they share nothing. They are two totally different groups, two totally different organizations, different boards and different philosophies.
Oh, I just did a little "research" (lolol Wikipedia), and it appears the scouts became mixed over here before I was old enough to know what a scout was, so I guess that's why I find it weird. I hear there are still a few female-based scout-like groups called the Jeannettes, but 1. they're not so popular or widespread, and 2. they accept males anyway (even though males in those groups are often laughed at, as are males with a passion for ballet, for instance).
Funny fact, they started with the 18-26 section in the 70's, then the 14-17 section in the 80's, then the 5-13 sections in the 90's; all scout groups are mixed since 1998. They went decreasing in age. I wonder what they didn't fear with hormone-filled teenagers that they did with harmless little children. Usually, they tend to separate genders as children grow older, don't they? o.o
Back to the subject, I've never been in the Scouts, but I think they should do the same in the US. Wouldn't it be less complicated? I've always seen anything gender-separated as superfluous and, in the end, noxious, but maybe that's part of the "traumatism" of being stuck with boys, and all-boy/all-girl experiences are actually beneficial to a majority of children.
Quote from: spacial on January 13, 2012, 07:19:50 AM
It would seem, from some find by our own Tammy, posted here https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,113711.msg869627.html#new, (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,113711.msg869627.html#new,) that this was probably a young girl, put up to doing this by parents.
Sad that her parents are so certain of their own views that they are ready to sacrifice basic human decency and publicy humiliate and abuse their own child.
Yes and no. I realise she has certainly been heavily influenced, but at that age, I wouldn't regard her as innocent and manipulated. I think she certainly has a responsibility factor of at least 50% in this.
are ready to sacrifice basic human decency and publicy humiliate and abuse their own child
Well to no minor degree I think all kids are subject to some of this. It's preparation for a world that pretty much lacks basic human decency in a lot of areas and one in which you'll face humiliation and abuse of some degree or another.
Wow, some 16 year old kid gets something wrong. Well just stop the world then. I don't want to even live in a world where 16 year old kids can be wrong. Wait - turns out that most 16 year old kids have most things wrong. So never mind. Matter of fact, ain't the very reason we don't let 16 year old kids make major life decisions without a ->-bleeped-<-load of guidance (if not outright edicts) is because they are so wrong so much of the time.
The Scouts - both of them - are pretty strange organizations. One has (the girls) always been pretty liberal, fairly secular as a rule, left-leaning, consciousnesses raising, girl-power all the way, while the other is right wing, Judeo-Christian+Mormon, very conservative, with clear para-military overtones at times. The boys have always had a kind of schizophrenic duality of 'the nicest well-scrubbed, clean cut kid in the world helping little old ladies across streets' and the 'Huck Finn/McGiver in the Wilderness' kid - who, as it turns out, is better off in the wilderness because he's exactly the kind of kid that seems to find trouble in civilization. And the girls have it too, it's just not as pronounced, with one element being kind of a hearth and home deal and the other being the outdoors/sports/camping stuff.
And it's often that the boys/girls separate from about 5-13 then come back together. And it's a lot harder to watch a bunch of kids than it is to supervise a bunch of teenagers.
Quote from: A on January 13, 2012, 07:49:43 AM
Yes and no. I realise she has certainly been heavily influenced, but at that age, I wouldn't regard her as innocent and manipulated. I think she certainly has a responsibility factor of at least 50% in this.
I agree. Just because she is a kid it doesn't guarantee in any way that her opinions have been drilled and are not her own, plus, just as you said, she is far from innocent as she do have her own will aswell as responsibility, too.
Children are individiuals, too; Some are good, som are bad, some are neutral and some are stupid or intelligent, and some are gay, straight, bi, or, transgendered, and so on.
I fully agree and aknowledge that a child may very well be influenced and drilled into certain ways of thinking by the parents, but it is definitely not a certainity.
People simply think too little of children and their individual capacity and that is also the reason why the whole Society gets the coffee in the windpipe when learning from the News that a little kid have coldblodded murdered some other kid and then led a whole Policesquad a stray for months with lies, such as actually happened in a case in Sweden several years ago.
Simply because people do not want to believe that a child is capable of any own "bad" reasoning, or even downright evil actions.
However, here is where it gets a bit contradictory, as the very same people nonetheless do not question the mental capacity in a child that have done or said something
good. For when a child have done/said something good, then people automatically think; "What a good, intelligent little person!". In other words, they, in those instances, automatically and without question assumes that the childs doings or thoughts are his/her own and not influenced.
I find this to be a very dangerous reasoning, as such a reasoning basically "allows" someone that is simply a "bad" person to get away with practically anything as long as the person is legally considered a child, and the person is still only seen as a "Poor kid" in the eyes of all too many people, no matter the doings or statements of the child.
Thank you Whitney that video was a great way to start my morning <3
I just purchased six boxes of cookies! Its a start! :)
Quote from: JennyCop on January 23, 2012, 11:20:38 AM
I just purchased six boxes of cookies! Its a start! :)
I need to buy some. .. :eusa_pray:
Do you know this crap is still going on with the girlscouts. Apparently there was a state, I forget, I think it might of been Colorado, where the parents pulled out their girls from the camp. This is crazy!!
I want to have a peach soda and a slice of cheesecake with that lady.
Wait. Just thought of something. What if that video is just a "troll" to actually denounce someone who actually had such words? Sometimes, jokes like this are never "revealed" as jokes. It crossed my mind, since it's pretty unnatural and hardly logical, for such a serious-looking person.
I don't think she's a troll, I think she is legit :) She got right to the point, stated her case for supporting the GSUSA and including trans children and...
ROCKED IT!!! 8)
I think she ROCKS!!!
...Wrong video?