My fiancé and I had a discussion about pain today.
She is under the impression that ciswomen have a higher tolerance to pain than cismen.
She's wrong IMO... that is an old wive's tale. Women are MORE sensitive to pain.
So, I promised her I'd go to my most trusted source.
:)
Ladies, have any of you noticed changes in your pain receptors due to HRT?
Women's skins, and all senses, actually, are more sensitive than men's. Thus, they feel pain more easily. So the theory is that since they feel more pain, they are more used to it, and thus are more resistant. Not sure if it's true, but seems logical to me.
Well said. But I want to win this debate. Could you side with me a bit more? :P
I'll side with you! :-* I've found that after just more than a year on HRT, I am not as tolerant for pain as I used to be. Bumps and scratches tend to hurt a little more than they used to. Hope that helps Tori.
The tally so far:
Tori: 1 & 1/2
Fiance: 1/2
;D
Quote from: Maegan on February 03, 2012, 02:07:53 AM
I'll side with you! :-* I've found that after just more than a year on HRT, I am not as tolerant for pain as I used to be. Bumps and scratches tend to hurt a little more than they used to. Hope that helps Tori.
That's because you're not used to it. Once you are, it's said that you're gonna develop a higher pain threshold.
I'm terrified at the thought of waxing, though. I'm probably going to cry ;D
Not siding with anyone. ;D
Then, I still lead by a point!
I always thought this sort of comment was based a Mums advice to her daughters having uterine cramping. "Don't show any guys that you are hurting, we are stronger than them"
I have no scientific evidence and I'm pretty sure the required experiments would not get through any legal ethics committee.
I would have to say it is about the same. Just different perspectives of pain.
Quote from: Tori on February 03, 2012, 02:18:09 AM
Then, I still lead by a point!
Hey, I'll give you another point for free! ;)
Quote from: Maja.V on February 03, 2012, 02:13:00 AM
I'm terrified at the thought of waxing, though. I'm probably going to cry ;D
Well, do it, and we'll talk again about pain thresholds! :laugh:
:P While I will count your second vote... you get no more.
Tori by 2!
Ok, my fiancé just hit me.
She has a point.
I am only up by one.
Sorry Tori, I tried! ;D
I don't know about male vs female, but I believe I read that natural redheads ("gingers") have a lower tolerance for pain, and require more pain medication during surgery.
And this is why we should not allow the androgynous in this forum.
How does that help me win?
;)
p.s. If the winkey face emoticon was not clear enough, I am very much joking.
Quote from: Jamie D on February 03, 2012, 02:44:35 AM
I don't know about male vs female, but I believe I read that natural redheads ("gingers") have a lower tolerance for pain, and require more pain medication during surgery.
Do we bake 'ginger bread' men to feel our PAIN. Sorry.
Tori up by 2... plus Peer Review!!!
If she hits me for that one, I'ma hit her back!
;)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395995002146 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0304395995002146)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304395998000487 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304395998000487)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550857905800427 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550857905800427)
http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/11203754/reload=0;jsessionid=mjiMoK2XcooXnZeHQvul.108 (http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/11203754/reload=0;jsessionid=mjiMoK2XcooXnZeHQvul.108)
More peer reviews
+3!
;D
go to scholar.google.com and type "gender pain perception" you'll hundreds of articles.
;)
I'd actually done a fair bit of research before I made the bet.
:)
Quote from: Tori on February 03, 2012, 02:48:39 AM
And this is why we should not allow the androgynous in this forum.
How does that help me win?
;)
p.s. If the winkey face emoticon was not clear enough, I am very much joking.
I sometimes straddle the fence.
But I vote for you, if that helps.
It is all that matters.
Tori by four.
Their is no difference in the pain receptors however female skin is thinner causing increased sensitivity.
and females tend to have less muscle thus you know when someone punches/tickles me it instead of begin absorbed by various muscles instead digs down to the bone instantly.
Their is one spot where their is increased sensitivity accociated with the nerves and that's your breasts. As you know smashing those hurt.
I guess it depends on the person because before and after transition I have a stupidly high pain threshold.
The Mythbusters on the Discovery channel looked at this, and found women had higher pain thresholds than men. They also found that redheads could actually endure more pain on average than others I believe. You should watch the episode - I grew up thinking men had higher pain thresholds, but felt sufficiently corrected after watching their tests.
When you think about it, cis women have evolved over time to endure the pain of giving birth to children.
Try this:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/07/050705004113.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/07/050705004113.htm)
-Sandy
Quote from: Tori on February 03, 2012, 12:53:32 AM
Well said. But I want to win this debate. Could you side with me a bit more? :P
LOL.... classic !!! Love it.
If you really want to get back to pain - try the "
lets try a little experiment" Party trick.
1.) Two people sit in chairs facing each other- close enough to each , as to rest their foreheads on the knees on the other.
2.) Hands kept behind the back.
3.) Both people hold spoons in the mouth between their teeth.
4.) Each takes turns to lower heads, so the other can hit the other with their spoon in the mouth on the top/back of the head.
TRICK- It's near impossible to generate any force with a spoon between your teeth. The person can't see a third person standing behind them with a spoon in their hand, smacking one on the head.
Enjoy the fun !!
Jen
OXOXOXO
Thanks.
That worked.
I won.
Hope Susan's isn't liable...
I was walking into a class room and I like almost took out a table with my hip.
I almost fell over from the impact, hurt. A lot. Still does. Also being hit with a bobby pin hurt.
Oh and cat scratches hurt more now. So I think you may have some pull.
Here is recent pub in the topic
Peky
J Pain. 2011 May;12(5):563-72. doi: 10.1016/j.jpain.2010.11.003. Epub 2011 Feb 1.
Race and sex differences in primary appraisals, catastrophizing, and experimental pain outcomes.
Forsythe LP, Thorn B, Day M, Shelby G.
Source
Department of Psychology, The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa. aura.pence@nih.gov
Abstract
The aims of this study were: 1) to examine race and sex differences in primary pain appraisals and catastrophizing; 2) to test the unique ability of race, sex, primary pain appraisals, and catastrophizing to predict experimental pain outcomes; and 3) to conduct mediational analyses testing pain appraisals and catastrophizing as explanatory mechanisms for race and sex differences in pain. One hundred and fifty-five college students at The University of Alabama completed a cold pressor experimental pain task and a questionnaire battery. Statistical methods included multivariable regression models and nonparametric bootstrapping methods for tests of mediation. African-Americans reported higher catastrophizing and had lower pain tolerance than white Americans. Males demonstrated higher challenge appraisals, lower pain intensity, and longer pain tolerance. Challenge appraisals were positively related to pain tolerance, threat/harm appraisals were inversely related to pain tolerance, and pain catastrophizing was positively related to both pain intensity and pain unpleasantness. Pain catastrophizing partially mediated race differences in pain tolerance and mediated sex differences in intensity, whereas primary pain appraisals did not significantly mediate race or sex differences in pain variables. Primary appraisals and catastrophizing appear to be separable constructs related to different aspects of the pain experience. PERSPECTIVE: This study found that important race and sex differences exist in relation to pain appraisals and catastrophizing, and that these cognitive variables play unique roles in different aspects of the pain experience. Cognitive-behavioral therapies for pain may be enhanced by including a focus on both pain appraisals and pain catastrophizing.