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Cross-dresser faces jail after breaching Asbo by dressing as a schoolgirl
By Matt Roper | 1 Mar 2012 00:00
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Breach: Dr Peter Trigger News Team
A cross-dresser has been remanded in custody and faces a jail term for breaching his Asbo by wearing a schoolgirl uniform.
Dr Peter Trigger, 62, was arrested after a mum twice spotted him in July wearing a skirt and blazer near her children's primary school.
It's great that he was being open but... honestly... dressing like that near a school? I think that might have taken it too far.
We dont want the poor man being mistaken for a phedo :(
NOT a reason for him to go to jail though!!
He's been given warnings dating back a while.
Previously, he has been seen, standing on the street, while children walk past. There isn't, as far as I know, any record of him behaving in any other unacceptable ways.
The photos I've seen of him don't appear to be making any real effort to appear feminine or even to pass. This is an example: http://www.newstoday.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ntiL_Trigger_FILER02-460x250.jpg (http://www.newstoday.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ntiL_Trigger_FILER02-460x250.jpg)
The guy seems to be just weird.
Quote from: spacial on March 04, 2012, 12:21:08 PM
The photos I've seen of him don't appear to be making any real effort to appear feminine or even to pass. This is an example: http://www.newstoday.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ntiL_Trigger_FILER02-460x250.jpg (http://www.newstoday.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ntiL_Trigger_FILER02-460x250.jpg)
The guy seems to be just weird.
Begin weird isn't a crime or least it shouldn't be. consider that individuals would consider you and your life strange spacial.
There isn't really enough information in that story for me to form any sort of opinion one way or the other.
After digging a little deeper though, I found this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-12345390 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-12345390)
I'm really not sure what to make of this person so I'm going to reserve judgement.
I don't understand... are they sending him to jail just because he cross dressed in sight of school kids? Or did he also do something else?
If he is making a point to go down to a childrens school and standing there basically stalking them and wearing short skirts bending over for the kids etc like it said, THAT is a problem. Even if he wasn't crossdressing and was just loitering around a school yard is enough to be warned, ignore those warnings and go to jail. It appears the issue has more to do with him trying to hang around the children rather than being odd.
Quote from: TheAetherealMeadow on March 04, 2012, 06:51:04 PM
I don't understand... are they sending him to jail just because he cross dressed in sight of school kids? Or did he also do something else?
ASBO = Anti-Social Behaviour Order
UK equivalent to a US "restraining order."
The guy violated a court order. Off to jail ... or "gaol" as the case may be
This photo project is how I learned what ASBO meant - http://www.vice.com/read/anti-v14n8 (http://www.vice.com/read/anti-v14n8)
Good Link Felix! :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:
I didn't know what an "ASBO" was either until I posted this article! A little too "1984-ish" if ya ask me :P
Quote from: SandraJane on March 05, 2012, 12:55:33 AM
Good Link Felix! :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:
I didn't know what an "ASBO" was either until I posted this article! A little too "1984-ish" if ya ask me :P
Yeah I don't know what Peter Trigger did but ASBOs don't seem like a viable method of law enforcement in any society.
ASBOs are fine in theory but in the cuckooland of todays society they are a waste of time and some scumbag lawyers are getting rich making claims of human rights violations.
Regarding this guy though the point is - is he just some sort of pedo perving the schoolgirls or has he some deep and undefined sort of TSism that makes him feel he is a schoolgirl and should really be associatiing with schoolgirls?
Lots of us MtFs feel like transitioning is like a second puberty so is this guy just going through a denied schoolgirlhood?
Another point is that Europe's Human Rights laws does give a person the right to live their life the way they want...so if this erson feel sthe need to livea s a schoolgirl then he has the right to do so.
On the other hand again what is the evidence that he is a perveert getting kicks from wearing short skirts and showing hisself to girls?
Quote from: lilacwoman on March 05, 2012, 02:16:23 AM
Another point is that Europe's Human Rights laws does give a person the right to live their life the way they want...so if this erson feel sthe need to livea s a schoolgirl then he has the right to do so.
On the other hand again what is the evidence that he is a perveert getting kicks from wearing short skirts and showing hisself to girls?
Good point, what is the evidence? Seeing that the court overturned the ruling seems they didn't agree either.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-12345390 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-12345390)
Quote from: Sephirah on March 04, 2012, 04:23:53 PM
There isn't really enough information in that story for me to form any sort of opinion one way or the other.
After digging a little deeper though, I found this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-12345390 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-12345390)
I'm really not sure what to make of this person so I'm going to reserve judgement.
And Thanks to Sephirah for finding this article! :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:
Quote from: pebbles on March 04, 2012, 04:02:55 PM
Begin weird isn't a crime or least it shouldn't be. consider that individuals would consider you and your life strange spacial.
No, but behaving is a suspicious or provocative manner near children can be a public order offence. He has previously been convicted of exposure. He also is the subject of an ASBO.
It's a matter of degree. I'm sure most Americans, for example, would defend the right of their fellows to fire a gun, when out in the wilds, to scare off what might be a dangerous animal. But I doubt many would defend the right to fire a gun in or near a school of young children. Certainly not without some preparation and cause.
We can only look at this on the evidence. The information we have is that, over a period of time, he has dressed in this school girl's uniform and stood near a school in a manner reported to be, likely to attract attention.
There may well be a conspiracy against this, poor, misunderstood transgender sister. But the reality is, on the basis of the evidence we have, he isn't transgender, he is simply seeking to attract attention.
As you know, people have been arrested for going near a school, carrying a camera. British people are strangely protective of their children. (No insinuation appllied to anyone else).
I find this to be very problematic. Dressing like a woman is not anti-social, creepy, or criminal. This is misogynistic. Would they do this do a woman who dressed up as a man? Definitely not. As long as he's not like flashing them or something like that, he isn't doing anything wrong.
Sorry but I error on the side of caution when it comes to kids.
If some guy who has no kids is hanging around outside of a school on a regular basis, that in itself is suspicious. Add to that, his behavior includes dressing up as a school girl much younger than himself and has even -hinted- at any sort of "sexual" behavior such as pretending to be flirty etc, that person needs to be restricted from being around said children. If he is told to stay away and refuses, throw him in jail. It's only a matter of time before it escalates into something worse and it's NOT helping this guy's problem allowing him to do this. Plus it creeps the children out and very likely would make a future generation equate being trans = pedophile. I believe in freedom as long as it is not having a negative impact on others, this guys actions clearly are. He is free to dress as a woman anywhere else he wants, I don't think he has a right to do this specifically next to a children's playground/school.
To be honest, he has no business hanging around outside or anywhere near a school dressed as a school girl. Nope, I think the guy is obviously sick in the head, and he needs to be kept away from kids.
crossdresser or no crossdresser....I find it disturbing that a man without children of that school would hang out in front of the school to the point where he gets restraining orders.
Why does he hang out there all the time? To look at the selection of trees that are planted on the school grounds? I'm sorry...but if I so anyone hanging out in front of my yard staring at me all the time (I could care less if it was a he or a she or a crossdresser or whatever), it is going to make me nervous. And him being around children and doing that? I would have called the police too...as a precaution.
I'm unclear on the full details of the case. I'd worry about judging too quickly though. There's an elementary school three blocks from my front door, and another one about fifteen blocks away, and a high school not much further. A large percentage of people hanging out in or passing through my neighborhood are "in view" of these primary schools. If that's the criteria then no one would ever be allowed to crossdress.
I live in a place where we have naked bike rides and an incredible amount of literacy though, so I may simply be used to treating aberrant clothing choices as a theoretical problem.
It is interesting. In Adelaide the schools run patrols continually to see if anyone is 'hanging around'. I pretty sure it wouldn't matter if you were an adult dressed as a school girl, wearing a clown costume or 'normal' everyday clothing. They will call the police. Many primary schools are sign posted that anyone appearing in a suspicious manner or loitering will be reported to the police. Fair enough to me. I'm pretty clear that anyone hanging around a school when they do not have children attending it, and are not a registered volunteer for that school, should be questioned for their motive. If you just like outside scenery, sit in a park. If you want to see if you are 'accepted' as your chosen look walk down a shopping mall.
If you want to appear as a pervert, stand outside a kiddies school dressed inappropriately, I don't care what your gender is.
JMO
Cindy
Quote from: Felix on March 05, 2012, 01:04:21 AM
did but ASBOs don't seem like a viable method of law enforcement in any society.
They aren't, but they do allow the Politicians to claim they are doing something. :laugh:
Quote from: Cindy James on April 02, 2012, 05:01:17 AM
It is interesting. In Adelaide the schools run patrols continually to see if anyone is 'hanging around'. I pretty sure it wouldn't matter if you were an adult dressed as a school girl, wearing a clown costume or 'normal' everyday clothing. They will call the police. Many primary schools are sign posted that anyone appearing in a suspicious manner or loitering will be reported to the police. Fair enough to me. I'm pretty clear that anyone hanging around a school when they do not have children attending it, and are not a registered volunteer for that school, should be questioned for their motive. If you just like outside scenery, sit in a park. If you want to see if you are 'accepted' as your chosen look walk down a shopping mall.
JMO
Cindy
In Portland OR USA most if not all public primary schoolyards are also public city parks, and also the parking spaces on the streets are highly prized for their proximity to all sorts of things. We can't compartmentalize very well in policing here. Also most high schoolers and some middle schoolers use public transit instead of yellow buses, which is more bleedover between the lives of children and the lives of adults.