I have barely been working on my voice, so that should be obvious after hearing it. I have a cold and sore throat too, so that didn't help any.
Suggestions and comments are welcome, please be honest but kind as I already think it sounds pretty bad.
Video from My Phone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6en_9JuOME#)
Your speaking voice sounds pretty female to me.
Only when you first started speaking it sounded really forced. You also mentioned you had a cold, so I assumed that might have something to do with it?
It's vastly different than your regular speaking voice too, so I'm impressed.
Keep up the good work.
:)
You should try to improve it, it sounds very much like a man forcing a higher voice.
Quote from: JasonRX on March 18, 2012, 05:59:46 PM
Your speaking voice sounds pretty female to me.
Only when you first started speaking it sounded really forced. You also mentioned you had a cold, so I assumed that might have something to do with it?
It's vastly different than your regular speaking voice too, so I'm impressed.
Keep up the good work.
:)
Aww...thank you. Like I said, it hasn't been very long since I started practicing. I will be going to a speech pathologist pretty soon, so hopefully it will help.
Quote from: x zOeY x on March 18, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
You should try to improve it, it sounds very much like a man forcing a higher voice.
Well, physically I am a man attempting to produce a higher, female sounding voice. What were you expecting?
Although it does need a ton of work, the two voices sound completely different, so I guess that's progress right?
I wonder just how good your voice sounds? Just curious is all
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Quote from: x zOeY x on March 18, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
You should try to improve it, it sounds very much like a man forcing a higher voice.
I don't agree. At all. It sounds like you may possibly be in a falsetto though, but without a clearer recording I can't tell for certain.
I think it's ok but sounds more mickey/mini mouse ish to me. You should look into voice therapy with a speech pathologist. I had my first session with Kathe Perez and she is wonder, she is totally worth the money in my opinion. :)
@ Samantha: I agree, it does sound falsetto. I will probly have to get used to speaking that way before I can lower it a bot. In reality, its almost falsetto but not quite.
@ Danielle: Yes, I will be getting help from a speech/language pathologist asap. I definataely don't want that to be my voice when I go full time! Lol
Quote from: Stephanie_b on March 18, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
@ Samantha: I agree, it does sound falsetto. I will probly have to get used to speaking that way before I can lower it a bot. In reality, its almost falsetto but not quite.
Maybe you should try a different approach. I know a lot of people say "Go high, then bring it down and soften it" - and if this works for you, great! But what's worked for me was going from the bottom up.
I went ahead and dug out a writeup that I made for voice training. And I recorded a bit of my voice just now and I'll go ahead and let you have a listen.
Have a listen: http://filesmelt.com/dl/samantharzvoiceomg.wma (http://filesmelt.com/dl/samantharzvoiceomg.wma)
And make sure to give that read!
Quote from: Samantharz on July 13, 2011, 09:11:19 PM
A feminine voice is as important as any other aspect when you're talking about passing and blending in with the public. Most of us are not gifted with the privilege of transitioning early and often times deal with our voices dropping. If we want to blend in with the public, and not get stared at as soon as a word comes out of our mouth, then it is our obligation to adjust ourselves to some amount of "acceptable standard". This includes the overall image you project from your appearance, to your mannerisms to your voice and speech patterns.
Now with that said, you can adjust yourself to an "acceptable standard" and still be unique. In my experience the acceptable standard is actually quite wide and you only need to fit into this standard with the majority of your presentation for the general public to put you on your desired side of the gender binary.
There are a number of things to consider. Your appearance, your mannerisms and your voice. In my experience, you need to meet about 2.5 of these 3 criteria to pass. For instance, if you have a feminine appearance and mannerisms, but you have a manly voice, it's going to be a lot harder to pass; if you are able to work up to at least an androgynous voice, basically to the point to where people can't tell what you are on the phone, then you should be able to pass without much problem. Granted, it's more complicated because each of those 3 points are quite intricate and complex.
Your appearance; hair, eyebrows, facial hair, clothing; these are the 4 biggest things you can address to passing based on your appearance.
Long, feminine hair styles really transform the entire face. Big bushy eyebrows are not characteristic of a woman's general appearance. Facial hair, obvious one there. Clothes are VITALLY important, picking clothes that can work with your body, even creating a faux shape can give you the appearance of having hips, even if you don't. Not all clothes work for all people; the certain style you like may not be flattering to your body shape. Tight clothing is often the most difficult to get away with; while clothes that are too baggy kind of makes you look more masculine. Experiment, play around, find your middle ground, when you do find the right article of clothing, it will SCREAM at you when you wear it.
Your mannerisms; walk, sit, standing idle, talking with your hands, etc. ; are all subtle (and perhaps not so subtle) queues that people pick up on. Things like avoiding slouching, keeping your legs closed or crossing them over at the knee, walking with shorter strides; these are all small things that can add up. If you walk with large strides and with a heavy foot, you'll look like a guy. Spreading your legs while sitting is a nasty habit that I see a lot of transgirls do.
Now we're at the meat of this write-up.
Your VOICE; resonance, pitch, consistency, loudness; 4 things, in order, that are vital to getting a really feminine voice. I'm going to try to explain each of these points as best I can.
Resonance is absolutely, 100%, without a doubt the most important part of your voice. If you raise your pitch without addressing your resonance, you'll just sound like a man with a high pitched voice. 75% of the voice is resonance, or lack thereof, and the rest is pitch and projection (loudness).
It doesn't matter if you have a low voice, some women have lower voices, and you can have a low voice and still sound feminine. There is a certain pure tone that a lot of women have regardless of their pitch and the reason for that is RESONANCE! Okay, so are you tired of me talking about resonance? Tough! Let's talk about how you can fix it!
So to get the resonance you need to sound feminine is to stop talking from your chest, and to start resonating from your head. Sounds easy, right? It is simple, but it isn't necessarily easy. It's hard because getting out of your chest resonance can be quite challenging, and keeping it in your head resonance takes a bit of muscle strength. I know for me, this was the hardest step for me to tackle. Let's talk about how we can get into your head resonance.
A lot of videos and tutorials online may tell you to go into your falsetto and sound like Mickey Mouse, then bring it down, and soften it. That never worked for me. It may work for you, and it's worth giving a try, I'll post some links at the bottom of this write-up for how to do this. For me, getting out of my chest voice involved singing at my upper range. When you do this you'll feel your larynx (Adam's apple) raise up to a higher position in your throat, this is where it needs to be. Another way was to try to sound surprised, think of when someone surprises you with tickets to a concert and you're saying in an excited voice, "Wow, Thank you for the tickets! These are super mega totally cool!!" You may feel your larynx rise when you talk like that, pay attention to this feeling and try to raise the larynx even further to reduce the resonance.
When you try to sing, find someone who is at the upper end of your range but doesn't make you strain too hard or cause your voice to "crack" too much. After a few songs you may feel your voice getting tired, this is normal. What is happening is the muscles which raise your larynx and tighten your vocal chords are weak, and like any other muscle they need to be strengthened. This brings me to my next point.
Practice is vital because it adds much needed strength to your muscles. If you remember, consistency was one of the 4 points I brought up on how to work on your voice. Practice will bring consistency. As you strengthen your muscles, you will also get a higher range because as your muscles get stronger you can pull your vocal chords tighter and get higher pitches, much like a guitar string.
Pitch is an easy part to address. After you tackle resonance, just play with the pitch and get to something that you think sounds good. Be careful not to get too high, because girls are very erratic with the pitch of their voice. Girls put emphasis on certain words and statements by using pitch variations, while guys tend to project louder while being more monotone. Think of the differences between guys and girls when they say, "What a cute kitty/cat!" Girls will put an emphasis on pitch and it almost sounds like they're singing. While guys tend say it more quickly and to the point, while putting emphasis on certain words like "cute" by saying it louder.
Girl's will also elongate words of the sentence, for instance when saying "What a cute kitty!", girls may elongate the Y at the end of "kitty", so it may sound more like "kittyyyyyy-". This may be a cliché, but it does tend to be true for a lot "standard" girls.
Loudness/Project your voice. Another problem I had for a while was I had a habit of talking a bit too softly. This has a tendency to sound "fake". Just try to talk louder while maintaining your resonance and pitch. It's not too challenging, but it is something you need to be conscious of.
I have a few extra tips about your voice.
Record yourself. I know you didn't want to hear this, but it's super important, and it can REALLY help you. I've named a condition that we all feel when we record ourselves, the "Butthole Complex"; because you feel like a butthole when you hear yourself. But it is really really important to do, the reason it's so important is because you need to hear yourself outside of your head. When you talk, your sense of how you sound is flavored because your voice is resonating directly into your ears. Recording yourself is VITAL.
Everything is cute or sad. Lots of "aww"s, girls do it ALL THE TIME. When somebody says something, just say, "awww". If you see a bug clinging to life on your windshield as you drive 85mph down the highway, just say "aww" (and laugh a little because it's funny!).
After a while, when you get adjusted to your new voice and you become accustom to talking in your higher resonance, slightly higher pitch, and projecting your voice, you'll feel your voice of click into place. This is hard to explain, it may have something to do with muscle memory. Once you get to that point, you'll find that you have a new lower range while maintaining this voice, you may not be able to get down to your overall low while in this voice, because this voice has its own unique range. This is something I've personally experienced, but I don't know if many others experience this.
When I try to talk at a lower range while in my preferred voice, my voice cracks and I can't get any lower. It's a different feeling than trying to drop down to my lower range while in falsetto.
Last suggestion I'm going to give is how you can practice talking to strengthen your muscles. I do suggest the use of a spectrogram. This link (http://www.genderlife.com/products-page/setting-up-the-spectrogram) will give you information on where you can get one, how to set it up, and how to use it. The software is free and it can be a valuable tool for training purposes. It can show you where your voice is sitting as far as pitch and it can help keep you at a proper range, because a lot of times your voice drops over extended use.
Finally here are the links I said I'd give you.
- CandiFLA Voice 1 (http://youtu.be/zRhit3CGMeA)
- CandiFLA Voice 2 (http://youtu.be/ibJFGRMYPCc)
- CandiFLA Voice 3 (http://youtu.be/qbaj4tIX1kw)
- CandiFLA Voice 4 (http://youtu.be/BaxxEyZBgR4)
- CandiFLA Voice 5 (http://youtu.be/TXoaCCESpec)
- CandiFLA Voice 6 (http://youtu.be/GExTkifIxS4)
- CandiFLA Voice 7 (http://youtu.be/bJZjcKYOQr0)
- CandiFLA Voice 8 (http://youtu.be/9jniOOlVBJg)
- CandiFLA Voice 9 (http://youtu.be/s7qSJ19f_QU)
- CandiFLA Voice 10 (http://youtu.be/EeBwNWETJ5o)
- CandiFLA Voice 11 (http://youtu.be/O8AvdUoGD7g)
- CandiFLA Voice 12 (http://youtu.be/sgP9D3Ki9r8)
- CandiFLA Voice 13 (http://youtu.be/04ONx9lRJPE)
- CandiFLA Voice 14 (http://youtu.be/8nfr5gBFrVs)
- CandiFLA Voice 15 (http://youtu.be/E_vPuOX8fqI)
Karmatic1110 Voice Video (http://youtu.be/ciWIzpW_X20) - This one helped me a lot.
Hope this helps someone, took me a while to put together.
You're on the right track!
It does sound like you're trying to mimic Minnie Mouse, but I'm sure you'll find your true female voice very soon. :)
Quote from: JoeyD on March 18, 2012, 06:59:06 PM
You're on the right track!
It does sound like you're trying to mimic Minnie Mouse, but I'm sure you'll find your true female voice very soon. :)
Lol :D
Quote from: Samantharz on March 18, 2012, 06:50:33 PM
Maybe you should try a different approach. I know a lot of people say "Go high, then bring it down and soften it" - and if this works for you, great! But what's worked for me was going from the bottom up.
I went ahead and dug out a writeup that I made for voice training. And I recorded a bit of my voice just now and I'll go ahead and let you have a listen.
Have a listen: http://filesmelt.com/dl/samantharzvoiceomg.wma (http://filesmelt.com/dl/samantharzvoiceomg.wma)
And make sure to give that read!
I just listened to your recording. Damn, girl! Can I trade you voices? Lol
Now that's more like it, if I can get my voice to go anywhere near the likeness of yours, I will be one, happy, girl.
Thanks, and I will read through the paste you put in here too and practise the way you said that you started out.
Quote from: Stephanie_b on March 18, 2012, 06:21:43 PM
Aww...thank you. Like I said, it hasn't been very long since I started practicing. I will be going to a speech pathologist pretty soon, so hopefully it will help.
I'd also like to add how much I appreciate the kitten in your display picture, even though that's totally unrelated to your voice.
;D
Considering you have a cold and sore throat, i think it's pretty good.
Quote from: DonnaTroy on March 18, 2012, 07:28:45 PM
Considering you have a cold and sore throat, i think it's pretty good.
thanks, and my nose was fairly stuffed up too. Now i can't breathe through my nostrils at all!
:(
Quote from: JasonRX on March 18, 2012, 07:18:33 PM
I'd also like to add how much I appreciate the kitten in your display picture, even though that's totally unrelated to your voice.
;D
Lol, thanks. I like cute cuddly kittens, and puppies too.
I want a chihuahua :angel:
I think this is a great start. If you can just bring it down very slightly it should sound pretty natural.
Yep I agree that your voice is pretty good Stephanie_b, especially if you've just started!
I think I know what you mean by "raspy" voice when I hear yours. For me, as I slowly used my girl voice more and more, it slowly went away without me doing anything about it consciously... so keep using it!
Here, I recorded my voice too :) http://picosong.com/wRyB (http://picosong.com/wRyB) I have quite a low speaking voice as you can hear - this recording, for example, averages only around 190 Hz! So I overwhelmingly rely on resonance rather than pitch to sound like a girl. (By the way, what I said in the audio file about Samantharz in the file probably isn't quite true, but anyway...)
Oh I'd like to add that I didn't try to consciously learn any feminine ways of speaking (or non-verbal actions), but I just seemed to naturally talk and act more feminine as I thought of myself more as a girl...
Apple pie, you have an incredible voice :)
Oh hi icecoldbath.
Quote from: Stephanie_b on March 18, 2012, 05:57:28 PM
I have barely been working on my voice, so that should be obvious after hearing it. I have a cold and sore throat too, so that didn't help any.
Suggestions and comments are welcome, please be honest but kind as I already think it sounds pretty bad.
Video from My Phone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6en_9JuOME#)
that voice...
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Quote from: Samantharz on March 19, 2012, 12:07:16 PM
Apple pie, you have an incredible voice :)
Thanks! I like yours better though... I think yours somehow sounds more 'normal' than mine! :)
Is that a good or bad thing?
Quote from: apple pie on March 21, 2012, 04:45:26 AM
Thanks! I like yours better though... I think yours somehow sounds more 'normal' than mine! :)
Well..... Thank you! That's actually a wonderful compliment!!! *blush*
Quote from: Zarania on March 20, 2012, 10:47:55 PM
that voice...
What is that supposed to mean? I don't understand your response, but somehow it feels like you are mocking me. Please clarify.
Also, I wish this thread could be removed now...I have gotten a llt of responses already which have been helpful/encouraging, but I feel like its time to end the thread.
Quote from: Stephanie_b on March 18, 2012, 06:25:03 PM
Well, physically I am a man attempting to produce a higher, female sounding voice. What were you expecting?
lol yess... <3
To me, it sounds like you're straining a little to hold the pitch and that's really squeezing out the overtones - that's why it sounds a little minnie mouse like.
Is this pitch close to your voice break?
My suggestion is to try and maybe pitch down a fraction and try and concentrate on making your voice come through your head so to speak.
You've made a good start, keep working at it - I think the potential is there. :)
apple pie, how in the world did you develop such an awesome voice? Did you use any guides / tutorials to do it, or how? I've been trying to find my female voice for a while now, and each day I end up with a severe case of sore throat the next morning. :(
Quote from: luna nyan on March 22, 2012, 05:17:24 AM
To me, it sounds like you're straining a little to hold the pitch and that's really squeezing out the overtones - that's why it sounds a little minnie mouse like.
Is this pitch close to your voice break?
My suggestion is to try and maybe pitch down a fraction and try and concentrate on making your voice come through your head so to speak.
You've made a good start, keep working at it - I think the potential is there. :)
Hi, thanks for your comments. I agree that the pitch needs to come down some more, and more resonance needs to be eliminated. Where I am speaking from is close to the breaking point, yes. It isn't falsetto either. I have limited resources on my phone, which is what I use for this. I found an app (its not that great) that lets me see where my pitch is at in hertz. Its somewhere around 230-250 hrtz, and its pretty difficult to speak like that.
I will be practicing more to lower the pitch.
Quote from: apple pie on March 21, 2012, 04:45:26 AM
Thanks! I like yours better though... I think yours somehow sounds more 'normal' than mine! :)
Just wanted to say, like others have expressed, I think your voice is awesome. It sounds really good and gives me hope for mine
You guys should hear one of the moderators' (Zoe Natasha's) voice for a really awesome one! Voices (on the air) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9ef6u2WMK0#) She's amazing, and funny too :):)
Quote from: Maja.V on March 22, 2012, 05:37:00 AM
apple pie, how in the world did you develop such an awesome voice? Did you use any guides / tutorials to do it, or how? I've been trying to find my female voice for a while now, and each day I end up with a severe case of sore throat the next morning. :(
Eek, don't strain your voice!! I stop doing anything straining on my voice if it starts to feel sore...
Samantharz just reposted some very detailed tips she wrote before on the previous page in this thread!! She'll be pissed that you ignored it :P Have a read! It's very detailed and I'm sure it will help...
(Why doesn't it get stickied somewhere??? Then Samantharz doesn't have to keep digging it out from the forum abyss every time)
She said she developed it through her work, and for me it was because I kept talking every day with my online friends! :)
I wish I could say more about how I trained my voice, but I did not do it systematically at all... I just kept adjusting it during practice by intuition...
Though for my practice, besides talking online, I also like to sing male-range songs in a girl voice, and often record my own voice when talking / singing as well (my hard disk is filled with looooots of recordings of my talking and singing!!)
Anyway, when you talk to people, you end up putting all your emotions into your voice as well... which I think makes you sound naturally feminine! (I never tried to deliberately imitate any feminine speech mannerisms / patterns etc.)
And Stephanie_b, of course there's hope for you! It really does sound good for having just started. I'm quite sure it will sound just like any other female voice pretty soon after some more practice! (^^)
I actually read through Samantha's post, and even though it's filled with good tips and advice, it doesn't really help me all that much - especially the "getting the voice in your head" part. I'm completely unable to do that, or I just don't feel it.
I'm now going through candiFLA's transgender voice clips, and while they seem helpful, I'm not sure how much I'll be able to put her advice to use. :/
Thank you for your reply, though. At least now I know not to strain my voice. ;D
Quote from: Maja.V on March 22, 2012, 01:29:44 PM
I actually read through Samantha's post, and even though it's filled with good tips and advice, it doesn't really help me all that much - especially the "getting the voice in your head" part. I'm completely unable to do that, or I just don't feel it.
I'm now going through candiFLA's transgender voice clips, and while they seem helpful, I'm not sure how much I'll be able to put her advice to use. :/
Thank you for your reply, though. At least now I know not to strain my voice. ;D
Ok. Here's a simple little exercise for you to help you feel where the sound is coming from:
Sing a low note, the lowest that you can. Feel how the sound comes from the bottom of your throat, and your chest is sort of rumbling. That's what everyone terms resonance at work, and pretty much at its maximum.
Slowly sing upwards in a scale. Notice as the pitch rises upwards, the rumbly feeling from the chest disappears and it sort of moves upwards as well. Once you get past a certain pitch, the muscles in the larynx tighten up and you'll notice that the big vibrations from your chest disappear - you've now moved the voice into the "head voice" pitch area - it's not a falsetto per se, but it's the upper end of your voice register.
If you keep singing higher you'll then hit the falsetto range.
When you're singing in the head voice pitch, that's sort of where you're wanting to feel the sound come out when you're speaking. The thing is when you're singing with head voice, there is still some resonance coming from below.
Quote from: Maja.V on March 22, 2012, 01:29:44 PM
I actually read through Samantha's post, and even though it's filled with good tips and advice, it doesn't really help me all that much - especially the "getting the voice in your head" part. I'm completely unable to do that, or I just don't feel it.
I'm now going through candiFLA's transgender voice clips, and while they seem helpful, I'm not sure how much I'll be able to put her advice to use. :/
Thank you for your reply, though. At least now I know not to strain my voice. ;D
Hi there,
When you reach the point where you can't seem to go any higher in your chest voice, the muscles around your throat are really tense, right? You should try to let your muscles relax at that point while producing that pitch. You can try to move different muscles around your throat and see if you can relax them... But like I said, don't strain your voice!
I just recorded something about chest and head voice, and also about talking in
chest voice as a possible alternative, since genetic women actually talk in chest voice as well... No guarantees that will work though, since I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere before - and it's definitely non-standard!! But maybe it's worth a try... :) Otherwise just ignore it... hehe http://picosong.com/wRx7/ (http://picosong.com/wRx7/)
PS "Resonance" doesn't mean the same thing as the deep sound in a voice - resonance refers to the pattern of strong overtones in a voice. This pattern changes the quality or timbre of a voice, and causes a voice to be perceived as male or female. So there's male resonance and female resonance - you don't get rid of the resonance (that'd be falsetto, you don't want that!), you try to change the resonance from a male-like one to a female-like one :)
Quote from: apple pie on March 23, 2012, 02:42:55 PM
Hi there,
When you reach the point where you can't seem to go any higher in your chest voice, the muscles around your throat are really tense, right? You should try to let your muscles relax at that point while producing that pitch. You can try to move different muscles around your throat and see if you can relax them... But like I said, don't strain your voice!
I just recorded something about chest and head voice, and also about talking in chest voice as a possible alternative, since genetic women actually talk in chest voice as well... No guarantees that will work though, since I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere before - and it's definitely non-standard!! But maybe it's worth a try... :) Otherwise just ignore it... hehe http://picosong.com/wRx7/ (http://picosong.com/wRx7/)
PS "Resonance" doesn't mean the same thing as the deep sound in a voice - resonance refers to the pattern of strong overtones in a voice. This pattern changes the quality or timbre of a voice, and causes a voice to be perceived as male or female. So there's male resonance and female resonance - you don't get rid of the resonance (that'd be falsetto, you don't want that!), you try to change the resonance from a male-like one to a female-like one :)
Yes. May the MALE resonance be gone!
Luna and apple pie, thank you both for the great tips. Now I actually understand what is meant with 'the head' voice.
While I've done away with the pitch, I suppose I'll have to work on my resonance and the strength of my vocal chords.
keep flaming me, guys :3
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