I was wondering if any of you have undergone SRS in Europe. Most of you obviously choose Thailand, but I am thinking about having it done here. If any of you have any experience, or information, let me know, thanks :)
there are several good doctors in Europe.
Dr Bellringer in London, Dr Iván Mañero in Barcelona, Dr Miro Djordjevic in Belgrade, Dr Monstrey in Belgium. They all perform penile inversion technique, and they all deliver very good results. The prices are the same like with the Thai doctors and some even charge much more then the Thai doctors do. I believe they are all very good doctors.
Thank you for the information! Could You list other doctors, who don't charge that much? :) I don't think I will be able to save that much money, and I would prefer to have the surgery in a year or two years time, I will be thankful :)
Quote from: crowcrowcrow on May 07, 2012, 04:08:40 AM
Thank you for the information! Could You list other doctors, who don't charge that much? :) I don't think I will be able to save that much money, and I would prefer to have the surgery in a year or two years time, I will be thankful :)
You never go for the price. There are many doctors doing SRS in Europe but I will not list any for you because I don't think you need a cheap doctor for your SRS.
Girlfriend, in Europe you can easily get a credit, or several credit cards from different banks and get your SRS paid. :) That is very easy and you don't have to wait for two years. You can get it done in the near future. They can not take your vagina away in case you don'y pay the credit :)
Where about Europe are you from?
Quote from: swan on May 07, 2012, 05:19:43 AM
Where about Europe are you from?
Croatia?? ::)
I had SRS in '84 in Groningen, Netherlands.
I can't complain about the results, it's still working properly.
In all those years I had sex with men and women, never had any complains.
So, yes I'm very satisfied about it.
I can't give you the name of the doctor coz, the man is retired and enjoying the rest on his old day.
Quote from: Jamie D on May 07, 2012, 05:36:37 AM
Croatia?? ::)
Why? :D I am Polish.
I didn't want to undergo srs in my country cuz 99% of the patients very often have pain and complications afterwards... Then they have to come back to hospital to do some other surgeries to fix it, I know a girl who had like 5 additional, crazy...
So the main goal for me is health, so there would be no complications (I know that no doctor can guarantee me that, but you know what I mean), basically so everything would be as it should :)
Annette, but this doctor from the Netherlands is not performing the surgery anymore, right?
Thanks for all the suggestions!!!
I am glad you are aware of how the things can go wrong with SRS. So don't let the price make you choose your doctor. Apply for credit cards and for credits, I am sure that you will soon have the money to go to a decent doctor
crowcrowcrow.
forget about England as it is seriously expensive and may be difficult to arrange as they may not accept Polish shrink's papers.
I doubt if 99% of post-ops have serious trouble unless Polish surgeons are as transphobic as the one I met in my local hospital.
Start saving for Thailand would be your best option.
Quote from: lilacwoman on May 08, 2012, 01:29:06 AM
I doubt if 99% of post-ops have serious trouble unless Polish surgeons are as transphobic as the one I met in my local hospital.
It's not about transphobia, it's about lack of profession. Check here (http://www.transseksualizm.pl/p68) to see the result (at right). Not only does it look scary, but I read loads of negative opinions. I saw even one girl talking about it on tv, and she was really disappointed.
Thailand doctors are good, but there is many of them, who really can f* sth up, so dont glorify them ;) I think I am gonna have to think it over anyway, thanks for suggestions!
Quote from: crowcrowcrow on May 07, 2012, 09:34:37 AM
Annette, but this doctor from the Netherlands is not performing the surgery anymore, right?
Thanks for all the suggestions!!!
This doctor is retired, but the doctors who came after him are the same quality.
There are two centers in The Netherlands who will do SRS and who gave the experience for it.
VU medical center in Amsterdam and University Medical Center Groningen.
Other than in other countries we don't have great names of surgeons, here it's teamwork for all the healthcare-workers who are involved, the surgeon is one of the team members who is doing the final step.
But with a 30+ years of experience with SRS, they make good results.
I don't know anything about costs and insurancecovering because as a Dutchgirl everything is covered.
Hope this will help you.
Hugs
Annette
So, even though I created this topic 4 months ago I decided to share my thoughts.
I sent many e-mails, many enquiries to european surgeons who perform SRS, and my advice to every one here is simply go to Thailand.
European surgeons have either dirty records (complications after surgeries, patients' complaints etc.) or unreasonable prices...
It makes more sense to pay a little bit more (and I mean really little, slight difference or sometimes even no difference at all) and go to Thailand than do it here.
Cheers girls!
Quote from: crowcrowcrow on September 02, 2012, 12:43:07 PM
So, even though I created this topic 4 months ago I decided to share my thoughts.
I sent many e-mails, many enquiries to european surgeons who perform SRS, and my advice to every one here is simply go to Thailand.
What are you basing this on exactly?
Quote from: crowcrowcrow
European surgeons have either dirty records (complications after surgeries, patients' complaints etc.) or unreasonable prices...
ALL surgeons have had complications. Are you basing this on price?
Quote from: crowcrowcrow
It makes more sense to pay a little bit more (and I mean really little, slight difference or sometimes even no difference at all) and go to Thailand than do it here.
The Europeans charge unreasonable prices, but it makes sense to pay even more and go to Thailand?
Could you elaborate further your decision to dismiss all European surgeons, as it doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Felicitá on September 02, 2012, 02:17:56 PM
The Europeans charge unreasonable prices, but it makes sense to pay even more and go to Thailand?
Honestly, I'd rather go with an european which is 5 minutes away from my home rather than having a complication on the other side of the world. Although mine is a special case since it is covered by SS.
Well, all of the surgeons may have had complications, but there is a big difference let's say between Suporn and Djordjevic, when it comes to opinions about their surgeries.
I don't refer mainly to the "lack of sexual feeling", "lack of attraction", "less sensitivity" thing, because it's individual case, I strictly refer to the medical complications that tend to have impact on our day-to-day life. Like pain, discomfort, and issues that really can happen to anyone.
Many of european surgeons have a "clear" record, where you really don't tend to find anything negative about their surgeries, but the price is really high, and it makes more sense to go to Thailand, since opinions are stunningly positive and the price range is better.
Yes, Thai doctors charge LESS than good european doctors, the standard sort of price tends to be around 15 thousand euros or 10 thousand pounds, whereas the most expensive one which is Suporn is about 13 thousand euros, but obviously there is a whole range of really good doctors apart from Suporn that take significantly less like Chettawut, which is less then 9 thousand euros.
Obviously SRS surgeon choice is a personal thing, someone can prefer to do it locally and pay more, because such long trip can be really challenging and I don't judge and I am not saying you're doing it wrong or anything, this is just my personal view, since the price is a really huge criteria for me, but foremost I value lack of any discomfort, any complications, just anything that could disturb my day-to-day life.
There are several good doctors in Germany who perform SRS.
I had mine 14 days ago with Prof Susanne Krege and her staff. Prof Krege did over 500 SRS's since 1997. She does only perform the penile inversion technique without or with scrotal graft. No colovaginoplasty or Chonburi flap, afaik. My healing has been good so far. I have a second operation (labiaplasty & urethral correction) in 6-8 weeks.
Costs are somewhere between 12-15k Euro.
Quote from: aibeecee on September 12, 2012, 01:44:10 AM
I had mine 14 days ago with Prof Susanne Krege and her staff.
Congratulations. I wish I had the courage to truly want to do it...
I had mine in Iceland, performed by a Swedish doctor named Gunnar Kratz. He's been doing it for many years and is really good at what he does. I am incredibly happy with my results and everything worked out so well.
I am not exactly sure how it works in Sweden with the costs and everything, but in Iceland the surgery is completely free of cost. But I suppose you have to have a living permit or citizenship to be able to get that.
Quote from: Apples Mk.II on September 12, 2012, 02:13:49 AM
Congratulations. I wish I had the courage to truly want to do it...
This in fact was one of the first things I got aware of when I woke up in the recovery room. "I did it." And I didn't miss anything. Of course, there was the pain, discomfort and I was very weak from the operation. But I did feel natural.
Give your decision some time. In my eyes, it is normal to have doubts because it is not just like taking hormones or getting an Adam's Apple shaved. Recovery from SRS is a long process. I started with hormones eight years ago and delayed SRS two times in the past three years due to other stuff I wanted to do prior.
Quote from: Ugla on September 12, 2012, 03:42:09 AM
I am not exactly sure how it works in Sweden with the costs and everything, but in Iceland the surgery is completely free of cost. But I suppose you have to have a living permit or citizenship to be able to get that.
Same in Germany. In general, SRS (vaginoplasty & labiaplasty) are provided by the public health funds. Many TG women even get breast augmentation for free. I know of one case who even had a partial FFS paid by her insurance company.
During my SRS I was in hospital with a gal from Brazil. She had married a German man a couple of years ago and got all her surgeries (vaginoplasty, labiaplasty and a revision operation) funded by the public health funds. But she still has Brazil citizenship.
Quote from: aibeecee on September 12, 2012, 07:40:02 AM
Give your decision some time. In my eyes, it is normal to have doubts because it is not just like taking hormones or getting an Adam's Apple shaved. Recovery from SRS is a long process. I started with hormones eight years ago and delayed SRS two times in the past three years due to other stuff I wanted to do prior.
Thanks. Sometimes I want to think that I don't need it, but when I look back at mi last sex experiencies and that sensation of having the wrong organs... (Even before realizing the dysphoria). It feels as the last frontier. I hope someday my mind will be fully clear.
In hospital I shared a room with two girls. One of them just turned 19 years old four days after her SRS. Although she did had only minor complications (urinary tract infection, hard stool, physical weakness) she was freaking out, crying and became hysteric about almost everything that did not happen properly right away. I guess she thought everything would go by quite easy with no pain or trouble at all.
It is a good thing that people can start with hormones and other important things in their childhood nowadays. But SRS is different. And I think especially at young age many TG girls are not fully aware of the consequences, probably because many still lack mental maturity.
Looking down there just after surgery must be terrifying if you are not expecting the post-op look...
I have given a lot of thought about if I had to forcefully give away a non vital part of my body... Losing a leg? I can bear it. An eye? I would not even use a crystal replacement. Losing a hand? depression and probably thinking about suicide. SRS and saying goodbye to the penis? I don't really use it...
Obviously I need to be 100% sure of wanting it and that won't happen until after a lot of therapy, HRT and mental transition, but... I just don't mind. I was afraid of surgery, but... Hey, it's only once in your life.
The only issue is that every time I look to the mirror or hear my voice, all the dreams seem to shatter and bring me back to "reality". Not having a single physical female trait to start with (save for my waist and small torso) is discouraging.
I am so happy for you girls, congratulations!!!
On topic: I didn't say that every european surgeon is not worth your attention, of course they are, you are lucky enough to live in a country where you are provided with free SRS. My research involved getting SRS when your country doesn't give it to you. And as one of you said, the cost of this surgery if you are not a citizen is 13-15k euros, which is extremely expensive, and Thailand is cheaper.
Apples Mk.II - nobody is perfect, our body doesn't define us in any way, shape or form. Not every female has a beautiful waist (actually most of them do not have it), and not every female has a small torso, there is plenty of varieties of how females can look like, and to accept yourself is the most important thing. Someone told me one thing that fundamentally changed my point of view, "only transsexual women have problems with masculine features, cis girls do not". (I do not refer to penis, beard or some extremes, I refer to the stereotypical transgender females' issues like lack of hips, small boobies, big torso and other bull**** :p)
Quote from: crowcrowcrow on September 12, 2012, 06:17:34 PM
Apples Mk.II - nobody is perfect, our body doesn't define us in any way, shape or form. Not every female has a beautiful waist (actually most of them do not have it), and not every female has a small torso, there is plenty of varieties of how females can look like, and to accept yourself is the most important thing. Someone told me one thing that fundamentally changed my point of view, "only transsexual women have problems with masculine features, cis girls do not". (I do not refer to penis, beard or some extremes, I refer to the stereotypical transgender females' issues like lack of hips, small boobies, big torso and other bull**** :p)
Well, I just luck at one of my female co-workers and... more inclined forehead than me, same brow bossing, receeded hairline... But a perfect nose, jaw and C (possibly D) perfect natural boobies. The envyyyyyyy. If at least I can keep the hair in place...
"Losing a leg? I can bear it. An eye? I would not even use a crystal replacement. Losing a hand? depression and probably thinking about suicide. SRS and saying goodbye to the penis? I don't really use it..."
I agree, but do you ever think of the penis this way: With SRS, you aren't losing it. That part of your body is just being reshaped/reconfigured to be as it should have always been. Except for the nuts, most everything is still there....
I developed the amputation / mutilation though on the first stages, when I first started to accept that my fear was not of losing it or the operation, but of being willing to undergo that surgery in a future. Except for peeing standing, I don't think I will be losing a lot. The post-op complications, surgery disasters, etc... Are a different story.
But yes, the nuts are the most hated thing thing. I Won't miss them.
Quote from: Crt.rnA on September 13, 2012, 05:43:24 AM
I developed the amputation / mutilation though on the first stages, when I first started to accept that my fear was not of losing it or the operation, but of being willing to undergo that surgery in a future. Except for peeing standing, I don't think I will be losing a lot. The post-op complications, surgery disasters, etc... Are a different story.
But yes, the nuts are the most hated thing thing. I Won't miss them.
Minor complications (such as wound healing disorders, difficulty urinating, urinary tract infection, pain/discomfort, unsightly swelling and bruising) are most likely to occur after the OP. I had a slight bleeding somewhere in the region of the urethral opening which stopped two days ago (I'm +16 days post-op now). Also, I was discharged from hospital with a suprapubic catheter because I couldn't urinate via naturalis. By now it got almost normal again. Takes some time, everybody is different. Will get the bladder catheter removed next week.
Luckily, the major complications like rectum perforation, complete necrosis (labia, neo-clitoris) or pulmonary embolism are very rare if a qualified surgeon does the OP.
Those are the ones I was fearing, the "major" ones...
BTW, did they do everything in one operation or you need to go back for a second stage for labiaplasty/etc?
Mine is in two stages. Vaginoplasty & Labiaplasty. According to the surgeon, this would lead to a more aesthetic result than doing the change in one go.
In my hospital there was a case of a rectum perforation in 2010 with a mid-40 TG woman. She needed ileostomy for eight weeks.
Quote from: annette on May 07, 2012, 07:11:13 AM
I had SRS in '84 in Groningen, Netherlands.
I can't complain about the results, it's still working properly.
In all those years I had sex with men and women, never had any complains.
So, yes I'm very satisfied about it.
I can't give you the name of the doctor coz, the man is retired and enjoying the rest on his old day.
Hey, i'm living in Amsterdam and i was wandering is it better to do mien in Netherlands or Thailand would you please advise me more about SRS in the Netherlands. Dankjewel
I'm starting to think about surgery options, the waiting times here in the UK are getting very long.
I know this is an older thread, so just wondering what changes there are in the rest of Europe.
What options are out there, and any links to Dr's sites
Regards
Laura x