Before transitioning medically or for those who are pre-everything did you or do you have any natural features about your body that helped you look more masculine?
I know some guys here have the genetics to where they can get really hairy to the point where they can grow noticable facial hair, are very tall, have an above average down stairs area size, have a deep voice etc. all without even touching T. Other examples include very small chest and hips etc.
Do you have any natural features that made you look more masculine?
I personally don't think I have any features that makes me look masculine. I got the crappy end of the genetics....large thighs, big breasts, big butt, not-so-deep voice, average down stairs area, relatively short height, almost hairless on my body. Almost everything about me screams out female lol. T is going to have to put in overtime for me.
I'm not saying that all these things make a man or that a man needs all of these things but I would personally like to have them.
Well, I've always been sort of hairy.
I remember in fourth grade some girl actually teased me about having hair on my arms.
Now, my legs are hairier than my dad's.
I also have a rather masculine nose.
I don't know - I'm sure there are other things, but I'm not going to bother listing them.
My jaw is square (my facial shape is also considered square) and it helps a lot. If I cut my hair I can either come off as androgynous or male, assuming I don't speak and have put on a binder. I actually look a lot like my dad when I've cut my hair and am trying to pass as male.
I can't think of any other features though there might be more. I wish there were more. It would make it easier for me.
Like Jason, I've always been very hairy. I've also always had a very masculine jaw - to the point where I used to be accused of being a drag queen when I was in "girl mode".
Just that I've never had any sort of female-looking hips and I'm 5'8" (which isn't that tall, but it often is worse for others).
well I guess for me mine would be kinda small hips, kinda small chest, and a "masculine" nose.. in other words big. haha or at least not a delicate girly one.
Good:
Small shoulders.
Andro face, really could go either way, and look cute doing it.
Good genetics from my mom, dealing with hips and butt. Hopefully HRT will bring those out one day.
Nice long wavy hair, no hair loss.
Good eyebrows to work with.
Neutral:
Okayish height, still taller than most girls, only met one other Hispanic chick my height.
Never had bad genetics dealing with body fat or muscle, but I also didn't have a feminine body structure. I was just literally a stick.
Working against me:
Deep voice, gonna be a challenge training it.
Big veiny hands and feet.
Coarse body hair, all over my body.
Ribcage is pretty big, it juts out over my stomach, even when its full.
I have a pretty deep voice to begin with (I was constantly mistaken for my dad or brother over the phone), my hips are smallish, chest is near non-existent, a male-esque hairline and a bit of an Adams apple. Also my nose is big and a little hooked so it looks less girly.
Unfortunately I have like a size 0 waist, tiny ribcage, really narrow shoulders, and minuscule hands and feet. I can wear big shoes ok but not much to be done about the hands.
I am pre everything right now haven't started T yet but I have some stuff working in my favor
Large hands( the same size or larger than a lot of my male co workers)
Large feet( size 10 mens pretty average for a man)
broad shoulders
Height(though shorter than the rest of my siblings i am over 5ft 10in which is about average i think or a guy)
I have been told i have always looked fairly masculine even before i came out by some of my oldest friends
So I am hopeful for things to get even better when I do start T
i'm pre everything and i pass about 80% of the time,even though i'm only 5,2", cause i have naturally broad shoulders,my chest isn't really large and my hips aren't as wide as my shoulders, and also my face looks very similar to my father.
I lucked out a little too.
My voice is naturally feminine, no Adam's apple, my height (5'5), mannerisms.. Not sure about my face though. I get most of my looks from my Mum.
Bad side: I'm as stocky as a LOTR dwarf, dark facial hair, masculine hairline
I've always had very thick eyebrows and a small mouth. I think those help. I've also always had very broad shoulders for a female. When I was little my mom used to tell me I have "swimmer's shoulders". I've also got defined muscles in my forearms and very hairy forearms. The past few years I've been growing more and more facial hair naturally, although I don't let it grow too much since it's only in certain areas and so makes me look really young. I've also got hair feet and toes, but I don't show those off, so they don't really help me pass. They make me feel good, though.
Some bad things are the fact that I carry a lot of weight in my butt and, although my boobs aren't huge, they're big enough to have a little trouble hiding completely. Also, I have a high voice and although I'm not short for a female, at about 5'6'' I feel very short for a male, which is weird for me since I'm used to being seen as being taller than most when I presented female. I'm hoping testosterone can fix the butt and voice, at least. The boobs I'll just have to wait on.
Hmm...honestly I can't think of anything. I at least appeared androgynous in early transitioning (pre-T), so there must be something. I suppose some unknown facial features helped me pass. That coupled with my clothes and mannerisms. I wish I could think of something! I guess it doesn't matter now though lol
I am super lucky about a few things: huge shoulders, no hips, bushy eyebrows, pretty flat chest. My worst natural features are my "weak chin," small feet, the top of my butt which is always lumpy no matter how much I work out, and can you believe DIMPLES!!!! LOL
Other natural features that work in my favor in are the big park behind my house, with its woods, streams, waterfalls and.... oh and I have a nice view of the mountain.... . . :D
Quote from: Andy on May 21, 2012, 10:39:30 AM
My worst natural features are ... the top of my butt which is always lumpy no matter how much I work out
So if we could lipo that out and give it to me that'd be gr8.
For me, Pre-T I had an adam's apple, I was fairly hairy, had broad shoulders for a female, had a deep voice, and in general I passed physically.
The biggest thing I can think of that is working against me at the moment, is I have a VERY small waist. Makes me look like I have big hips at times even though my hips aren't that big lol. Even with T, my waist isn't getting bigger. :(
Also, I'm 5'7, which might not seem short, but I'm nearly the shortest in my family. Everyone else is like 5'10 +
Broad shoulders and kidney stones xD. Seriously, kidney stones are more common in males :'P. I'd gladly give 'em up for life though ;_;. My voice is also a bit on the deeper side, kind of like a young boy going through the beginning of puberty :'P. I use to speak at a higher pitch growing up, but when I came to terms with this whole mess I just said "->-bleeped-<- that" and began speaking in my natural voice again xD. My walk has never been feminine :'D.
My face is so weird. It can pass as either male, female, or androgynous depending on how I dress and have my hair o.o. No mater what, I'm attractive apparently! D: I don't wanna be an attractive female ;_;! Oh well, I'm hotter now ;'D. Unfortunately I still look like pedo fodder @_@. I probably don't help with the light-up shoes and Ninja Turtle shirts XP. Funny enough, my most feminine features like my eyes, long eyelashes, and I believe lips come from my father. Now all I need is some hormones to accentuate :'P.
Oh right, I also have a slight adam's apple. Might be because of my slightly deeper voice :'P.
well, I won't say I got exactly something I would call as male features.. but I did have some points who wasnt the worst.
I am tall compared to girls, and small/same high as guys.
I didnt have a deep voice but I had got used to speak in a deep one,
I was kind of strong compared to girls, and had a small B cheast.
I think everyone got some male / female features about themself. but sure some are more lucky than others.
Pros:
-Small chest
-Broader...ish shoulders
-A bit of a lower tone in voice
-Kind of hairy? Hair on arms and legs, they're pretty thick.
-small waist
Con:
-Round-ish baby face (from what i've been told)
-short....very T_T (5 ft 1....almost 2 inches, w/o shoes D:)
-skinny arms?
-just pretty small in general, I often get mistaken for a middle schooler >.>;
Hey. I'm pre everything, heres what I got:
Very broad shoulders
Muscle up pretty quick
Small mouth
Big hands and feet
Fairly straight waist, little curve
Big strong legs
Deeper voice
Big bone structure
Masculine way of moving naturally sometimes, so I was told
Sometimes behaving like a guy naturally, also was told this.
Huh, lost my not goods.
Not good:
Huge chest
Fat accumulation on butt and thighs
5'6
Voice goes higher when stressed
Not very hairy arms, legs, pits, nothing but peach fuzz on face
Round face shape
Like the color pink in moderation;-)
Not good
I've always been very broad and quite hairy. Hm, my face can be read either way, which could be worse. I'm not sure what else I have that helps.
Me: 6'3, deep voice, a-cup, broad shoulders
Pre T, well I was always pretty muscular & athletic, not super hairy but I quit shaving my legs after high school so they've always been pretty hairy, sort of broad shoulders, I had B-cup boobs.
I'd been "mistaken" for a boy since I was about 16, even with longer hair & boobs. Women had been giving me a hard time in the ladies' room ("eeeek there's a boy in here!" ) for about as long.
So--I guess I was lucky, looking back.
yes the girls on my moms side are naturally skinny with broad shoulders the women on my dads side are tall my aunt is 5'11, im 5'10 (and still growing) also i have very unruly thick eyebrows. also according to my doc i have a great frame for building muscle. i have a pronounced brow and super orbital sockets (side of your eye). i have crazy big feet size mens 9, my dads a size 12, moms a 9 women's, little bro is an 11. small moobs.
some genetic features working against me are my wrists are super skinny and i have small hands. i have high and pronounced cheek bones.
okay forgot something, I actually has 1 thing who is pretty male,
my feet,
there small campared to men but too big for women.
women sizes are between 36 - 41,
males are around 42 - 46
and I am a 42 - 43
Even before T I had almost no chest to speak of and very slim hips...my body in general is just pretty masculine although I'm more willowy rather than angular. Before starting T the things that worked aginst me were always my long neck and graceful facial features, which is why I kept my hair somewhat longish and shaggy....but it was mostly my big eyes and my voice that kept me from passing, ugh. Unless I was using an accent of some sort, and then for some reason I would magically pass more :P
I had a baby mustache coming in by 5th or 6th grade. Chin hair started pretty soon after that, and while its still annoyingly light-colored, its absolutely, pretty easily visible. Which makes me quite happy.
I never had any hips up until about a year ago when I gained a ridiculous amount of weight, which really pisses me off now. Aside from that though, my fat has always distributed directly to my gut and that's about it, so that's at least better than being curvy (even now I'm more lumpy than anything).
If I let all my hair grow untouched, my sideburns grow down to the bottom of my jaw, my arms and legs are significantly hair, and I've got my dearly beloved voice. Really, the only physical thing I can say I truly like about myself is my voice. I was being mistaken for my dad over the phone by age 13, and have needed to repeatedly verify who I was supposed to be on the phone to my bank.
I have a lower voice, a pseudo-adam's apple, hair everywhere, and I walk/talk like a guy. However, I am short, can't pack on muscle, and have very small hands
I am hairy... and apparently I have a great susceptibility for hair growth, because I've been on T for only a few months and already have a significant under beard. My legs were like carpets before T.
Also voice Pre-T was in the fairly low range so I could pass with it if I didn't get too excited. Now it's starting to get a nice rumble to it... hope that keeps improving.
Small chest. A bit too large to pass as moobs for my weight, though. Bummer.
Cons are my bum and thighs. That is my major problem area that I just want to go awaaaaay. Fat redistribution, work your magic... Of course it would help if I worked out my upper body some more to broaden my shoulders. That is on my to-do list.
Also I am 5'4". I don't much mind being short, though.
I have broad and muscular shoulders if i'm to believe my grand-father. I also have thick, manly eyebrows, large hands (even as a baby people would make comments about my large hands) and in certain lights the peach fuzz on my face looks kinda dark. And i have also inherited my fathers athletic physic and metabolism. If i start to exercise on a regular basis i lose weight and bulk up pretty fast.
On the other hand i'm cursed with very feminine hips and thighs and what some would call a "bootie".
I have a fairly small chest which has worked out great. I wish it was completely flat but I know I'm really lucky for having only a small amount of "fat" to have to deal with in that region.
People often say I'm blessed in the genetics department.
My face naturally is longer and more ambiguous I believe
I'm average height for a guy, 5'10"
I have broad shoulders
My hips were noticeably narrower after I started T
My chest isn't huge so my binder doesn't have to be to tight
Hairy belly but no hair on chest and back ( I don't know if that helps me pass but I like it)
My arms and legs are hairy now after 2 years and I like the veins on my arms, hands and feet
Finally getting some thickness and color in my beard
Disadvantages
I naturally have lower muscle tone so packing on muscle has been a struggle
I put on about 10 lbs recently so my hips are sticking out more
Smaller hands and feet which have been commented on before
All I got is that I'm androgynous and ambiguous.
Quote from: insideontheoutside on May 24, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
All I got is that I'm androgynous and ambiguous.
Me too. Though in my case, that's very helpful. :D
Quote from: KyleXX on May 22, 2012, 09:22:42 AM
Me: 6'3, deep voice, a-cup, broad shoulders
Very jealous. Spare us a few inches? =P
Positives:
Smaller chest
Apple shape
Masculine nose, kinda androgynous chin?
Something on my neck that looks sort of like an Adam's apple if you stare at it enough (totally not wistful thinking :D)
'Manly' hands (apparently)
Decently sized feet (8/9)
Fairly hairy
Negatives:
Feminine voice
Noticably large hips
Very large eyes (I'm basically an anime character there)
Short (5'2"-5'3")
Narrow shoulders
Thin eyebrows
Quote from: Julian on May 24, 2012, 06:21:40 PM
Me too. Though in my case, that's very helpful. :D
Oh I'm not complaining either. Would be nice though if I could finally overcome not letting the way people address me (ex: the evil that is "ma'am") bother me!
Pro's
broad shoulders
what we've dubbed as 'evil eyebrows', I could almost be a super villain with these suckers
even though I'm Pre-T I can grow facial hair on my chin, upper lip, sides of my face, chest (only a few strands. I am always disappoint), and a prominent 'happy trail'.
I can easily mask what curves I have, since I do have some extra weight it gives me a 'board-like' apperance, rather than curves
masculine walk (made sure of that, I saw the way my sisters hips moved when she walked as was all 'O_O not for me')
eyelashes and nails (a woman said to me the other day after seeing how long my nails were 'how come guys always have long nails and eyelashes!)
Feet (size 9 1/2-10 mens)
Con's
Big chest (we're talking DDs here! ;_; I bind, but I can only do so much)
Voice. It's deeper than the women in my family, but compared to most, not as deep as the average man.
round face (I got carded buying a lighter the other day because of it >_<)
hour glass. When I have lost weight before, and taken measurements I was 40-30-40. Not happy about that at all. That said, I don't mind my hips that much (except my swollen right side) but I'd rather me 30-30-40.
Did I mention the chest? Can I rip these suckers off yet?
Height, I'm 5'8, and while that's pretty average, my dad is 6'4, and I'm all kinds of jealous.
Even before I was binding I was able to pass sometimes at like restaurants when the menu was big enough to hide the two growths, or with children (which is the oddest part, I think I just confused them). Now that I do bind, and grow my facial hair out I pass a lot more. My voice still gives me away sometimes, I'm hoping that once I get on T not only will that deepen, but that I will grow a beard like an effin lumberjack. ^_^
Advantages:
- I'm pretty hairy - got that from my father's side and was actually made fun of for it back in elementary school.
- Boyish face.
- Broader shoulders.
- My feet are on the big side as far as women's sizes go.
- Average eyebrows.
Disadvantages:
- I'm the shortest one in my family, standing at 5'4". My older sister is significantly taller than me (5'10") and my younger sister by five years is 5'5" (still growing). My mother is 5'6" and my father is 6'0". I've been told I'm done growing.
- High pitched voice that cracks a ton (I can only get it down to a relatively masculine tone when I'm completely calm and relaxed).
- A very feminine figure - tiny waist and ribs, big moobs, girl butt.
- Small, soft hands
- Long eyelashes.
- "Dainty" neck.
Pros:
Really thick eyebrows. Those suckers could develop a life of their own.
A generally manly face that is probably the reason I've been sir'd all my life.
Very, very hairy stomach.
Cons:
Moobs that are next to impossible to hide. (I'd even skip bottom surgery or any other surgery if these were gone.)
Middle range voice but I'd rather not use it at all.
My voice was fairly deep pre-t. I was a definite alto and couldn't touch higher notes.
My chest is small, a cup.
I don't really have a "figure".
I mean, I still consider myself to be unlucky when it comes to gender/sex issues but I can appreciate being given the greater short-stick. :P
I've never been on T and I've always had a visible adam's apple.
I think this is a natural feature that works in my favor, here's a pic:
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my voice "changed" in second grade (literally squeaked and sqwaked for a year) and then was constantly asked why I had a boy voice
fairly hairy once puberty hit
I was an UGLY girl. never looked right in a dress. EVER.
small chested
thick eyebrows
acne (horrible advantage lol)
disadvantages
hips and butt during puberty
lack of muscle
maturity ( the saying boys mature slower; totally killed me.) i've been spoken to as an adult and gotten on with them better than peers since I was 7
Yeah, pretty much everything about me works against me. I have a large chest, hips, and butt, my face is very soft looking (could be because I'm slightly overweight though), I'm 5'5" (I shrunk an inch!), I can't get calluses on my hands, very fine hair... I could go on.
Pretty much the only thing working for me is my feet. I wear a men's 10 or 11 shoe size, and I have very tough feet from walking barefoot constantly.
Pros: Androgynous face, bushy eyebrows, hands. Alto and can even go to tenor in a pinch.
Meds: C cup (not too hard to hide or bind), not too curvy (I hate them but realistically not too bad).
Cons: 5'1". Skinny arms and legs. Low muscle tone (actually a bit floppy and double jointed). Age-- can't pass as pre-teen without beard.
--Jay Jay
- I'm about average height for males in this country and was taller growing up until I stopped growing at a fairly young age lol.
- I've always been hairy as ->-bleeped-<-, especially legs and eyebrows.
- My brow ridge is large enough that it can go either way (not massive, but not flat like many female assigned folks).
- I've always put on muscle/"bulked" very easily. General mesomorph body type.
-Just generally being athletic/coming from an athletic background. I couldn't strike a feminine pose even if I tried, lol. There's this weird way that many female assigned folks move and hold themselves when they've never been trained in a sport. It's not necessarily uncoordinated, but just...not self-assured...and I think that that is sometimes what contributes to some transguys not passing, since society associates that kind of movement/posture with male-ness. Just moving in a way that's...uh...I only know it when I see it but can't quite describe it, lol.
- My voice always was pretty mid-range. Never very high-pitched/definitively female.
- Large feet.
Cons:
- Biggest thing for me was always having small hands...for my height/size my hands are just...pathetic :'(
- Sorry...biggest thing for me was actually always my chest. It was never super-sized, but still very obvious and it never conformed to all the binding :'( :'(
.... But now its gone! ;D ;D
Before going on T, I had a decent amount of facial hair, which started coming in when I was 11, a speaking voice in the low alto range, and broad shoulders (broader than my hips). When I got on T, the first changes I noticed were my voice and facial hair. The rest took a while, but even my hands got bigger. Three years on T did, as far as I can tell, everything that could be done to masculinize me.
I'm very... big. Not over 6' but i'm close. I don't have very broad shoulders but then again i've always been bent over because I hate myself and rather not stand up straight. I've got a very androgynous face shape that has played in my favor when i was a lower weight, now not so much just makes me look younger. I have larger hands and as far as i can tell the ability to upkeep a low masculine voice. I'll be posting later to see what you guys think but considering not all of my online friends know and i frequently skype call and no one has said anything, i must be ok at least.
The very.. very large downside is I have very nordic load bearing hips from hell. I hate them with a passion. I never have had very large breasts but dem hips don't lie. I keep finding myself very discouraged from public due to them but thats a whole different topic.
Pros: I have a strong chin and a Roman nose. (Like, think Alan Rickman).
Cons: I have girly cheek bones and my eye area is pretty feminine. I also have that dreaded Marilyn Monroe style curves, but it just means that I have a drastic difference in my waist and hips - my chest and hips are pretty close in size so at least I can hide it with clothing. My voice was also fairly high pitched before T. Now I sound fabulous. :laugh: