Just wondering how many of us feel passable in the morning after waking up (before makeup), and how long it took to get that way? I was passable in the street before I started hormones, but have looked indisputably male in the morning until fairly recently.
I suppose voice should be included as an element of passability. I tend to get down to a croakier, male-like voice in the morning until I remember to crank it back up to the right level.
In the last few weeks I've noticed that I stopped getting too depressed about what I look like in the morning, because something is beginning to shift.... it's nice.
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You tell me! :P
For me it was about... 6-8 months I think? When I caught my reflection in the mirror and I didn't see a guy standing there.
And my voice is.. well, my voice. my natural voice is apparently quite passable. No training at all. It's just a lot softer in the morning when I'm half asleep.
I live alone at the moment, so I don't have to worry what a partner thinks I look like when I wake.
As I am a confirmed Lipstick Lesbian I won't leave the house without my mascara and lippy properly done. I will admit I can live without the rest of the makeup.
Karen.
Hair aside, I think fairly OK. Nevertheless, I still feel naked without a little makeup
Quote from: Keaira on June 02, 2012, 02:41:58 AM
And my voice is.. well, my voice. my natural voice is apparently quite passable. No training at all. It's just a lot softer in the morning when I'm half asleep.
That must be really nice! I have a feeling my voice will be one of the more difficult hurdles to overcome in my transition, so small favors like these are certainly a blessing.
for me, its just as badly in the morning as it is the rest of the day.
Quote from: Flandre on June 02, 2012, 09:23:36 AM
That must be really nice! I have a feeling my voice will be one of the more difficult hurdles to overcome in my transition, so small favors like these are certainly a blessing.
You'll get there! I was just really lucky with what nature gave me. I don't hear what others hear in my voice so I constantly worry about how I sound, despite passing vocally. I just got off the phone with a stranger and got called ma'am no problem. And I had been asleep.
some days I see male some days female. all depending how the light hits me.
My hair actually looks better in the morn,
it's so darn straight in the day time but when I get up its wavy and messy...I've seen girls pay big money to get the same look, lol
Quote from: Kadri on June 02, 2012, 01:34:41 AM
Just wondering how many of us feel passable in the morning after waking up (before makeup), and how long it took to get that way? I was passable in the street before I started hormones, but have looked indisputably male in the morning until fairly recently.
I don't really wear make up but I always make sure my skin is completely clear and moisturized. When I've answered the door to the postman (mailman) in the morning I'm just out of my bed and in my nightdress. Postman or delivery drivers often call me dear or darling, so it's not a problem.
I hate wearing make up and think I look worse with make up on.
Quote from: Keaira on June 02, 2012, 02:41:58 AM
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You tell me! :P
For me it was about... 6-8 months I think? When I caught my reflection in the mirror and I didn't see a guy standing there.
And my voice is.. well, my voice. my natural voice is apparently quite passable. No training at all. It's just a lot softer in the morning when I'm half asleep.
Do you want my honest opinion? you have too much designer stubble and your eyebrows are too bushy! if you had laser to take away your beard growth (seen on both of your pictures) and plucked your eyebrows you would look more convincing.
Well at $350 a pop, a family of 5 to feed and working 7 days a week, I'm having to slowly save for the hair removal. Eyebrows I was going to work on tonight actually. But thank you. ^_^
I find that a camera flash actually makes me look worse, so I'm not going to be brave like Keaira and post one of my morning ones up there...I have permanent dark circles under my eyes which grow and shrink but never disappear altogether.
Also, even though all of my dark facial hair was lasered off, there is still a good crop of slow-growing blond hairs that needs to be attended to in the morning.
Me? Brave? lol. hardly. but thanks ^_^
BTW, I thinned out my eyebrows. ^_^
Quote from: Keaira on June 03, 2012, 12:05:22 AM
Well at $350 a pop, a family of 5 to feed and working 7 days a week, I'm having to slowly save for the hair removal. Eyebrows I was going to work on tonight actually. But thank you. ^_^
I would imagine your not Full Time yet? but we all have to pay for our laser and other treatments and transitioning is expensive. I would have thought laser would be your first port of call even before clothes etc.
Actually I am. And between the fact that I dont have an adams apple, my height and voice, I consistently get gendered correctly outside of work. Which surprised me. At work is a different matter because all the bigots there still remember when I was "That cute Johhny Depp-looking guy who changes molds.".
It all depends on how I'm dressed (or not dressed ;D) when I wake up. I was lucky that my only facial hair is on my upper lip, I'll get around to zapping it later, but I can't afford it right now. Anyway, I feel that not ever having 5 o'clock shadow plays a part in my passability in the mornings. That, or that my hair is permanently in a high pony-tail which isn't what you'd call masculine.
Even in that groggy state, Keaira, I wouldn't say you looked like a guy. A butch woman, sure. But not a guy.
Thank you. :)
Of course that photo is a few months old. I'll take one when I get up in a few hours and post it.
:)
Quote from: Keaira on June 03, 2012, 05:28:28 AM
Actually I am. And between the fact that I dont have an adams apple, my height and voice, I consistently get gendered correctly outside of work. Which surprised me. At work is a different matter because all the bigots there still remember when I was "That cute Johhny Depp-looking guy who changes molds.".
I don't have an adams apple either and my voice didn't break either but the first thing I noticed with all of your pictures was the large amount of facial hair you have.
Quote from: ZDR on June 03, 2012, 05:32:31 AM
Even in that groggy state, Keaira, I wouldn't say you looked like a guy. A butch woman, sure. But not a guy.
Sorry but I thought Keaira looked like a regular unshaven guy in the white vest pic, a bit like one of the guys in a band like the Black Crowes!
I'm 5'5, 177lb. Who are the Black Crowes? I've kind of gotten out of touch with mainstream music lately.
Here you go. Me as a guy before, (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi688.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv246%2FKeairaElisabeth%2FKeaira%2FImage015.jpg&hash=340b1ccac9da63a53b6b8ef0cbed955d4f2669fd)
and me as a guy now. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi688.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv246%2FKeairaElisabeth%2FMarioMe.jpg&hash=26717c2909a713ee0725935de1286b80c35e2981)
Enjoy. ^_^
BTW, don't mean to hijack the thread here with irrelevance. sorry.
Quote from: Keaira on June 03, 2012, 05:55:06 AM
I'm 5'5, 177lb. Who are the Black Crowes? I've kind of gotten out of touch with mainstream music lately.
5' 5" is a really good height and is an average height for a female over here in the U.K. I'm a little taller at 5' 7".
The Black Crowes are a band from the late 1980's and 1990's and still going strong today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Crowes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Crowes)
I think once you work on removing that facial hair and trimming the eyebrows and maybe getting some highlights in your hair you will notice a lot of difference.
By the way your still wearing the same vest in the top pic and the recent one you posted!
I am not! That is a different vest. And I am well aware of what I am wearing, why do you think I posted that particular one? :P
And I'm not doing highlights. I had red hair which I loved, but people said it brought out too much red in my skin. So I'm staying with my natural black.
BTW, I too am British. Here in the US, Males tend to be a lot taller. Which helps me blend in even more, whether I'm in uniform or my PJ's.
Also the updated, just woke up picture.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi688.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv246%2FKeairaElisabeth%2Fphoto-93.jpg&hash=30fee284127305d6863be0f7c5141077250918a4)
So, anyone else going to show their morning face?
No?
To the world? 6-8 months on HRT. To me? 2 years on HRT.
How about you Naturally Blonde?
Hmm ok i'll join in, im nowwhere near passing, and look terrible.
Especially the stubble. :embarrassed:
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Quote from: Keaira on June 04, 2012, 01:07:21 PM
How about you Naturally Blonde?
Ok no problem but how do I post pics on here? I'll take a pic of myself first thing tomorrow morning!
I try never to see the first light of day, or let it see me.
I'd post... but I'm not done with laser yet lol...
Quote from: Alainaluvsu on June 04, 2012, 07:15:04 PM
I'd post... but I'm not done with laser yet lol...
I've not even started. I did pick somewhere to do it though!
Quote from: Keaira on June 03, 2012, 12:27:12 PM
So, anyone else going to show their morning face?
Quote from: Keaira on June 04, 2012, 12:34:43 PM
No?
Quote from: Keaira on June 04, 2012, 01:07:21 PM
How about you Naturally Blonde?
Aren't you enthusiastic about others doing the same! :P
If I were Naturally Blonde I probably would have said "no" instead, just to annoy you :D
And not me either ;) Not showing my face anywhere public, morning or not! You'll have to hack into my Facebook to see any. :P Oh and of course my looks really suck anyway :P
Quote from: Keaira on June 03, 2012, 12:27:12 PM
So, anyone else going to show their morning face?
:D Told you you were brave!!!!
I tried this morn, really I did...I took a pic as soon as I rolled outta bed but chickened out after I looked at it for to long...sorry, I gotta get a little braver first ;)
I'm not brave, just a little reckless sometimes.
My morning look is my everyday look, hair aside (and even then, my hair is often good enough when I wake up). I don't wear makeup anymore, as I'm too lazy to buy any, and even if I weren't... makeup is very unnatural and gross and chemical. Furthermore, I don't find that I benefit from it all that much, aside from my dark circles - which, even with makeup, are very difficult to conceal anyway. Aside from my nose, my facial skin is very soft and smooth-looking.
Perhaps I should have those under-eye veins minimized sometime... I have clearly cried too intensely, and too much.
OMG, if we start posting first-thing-in-the-morning pictures this is going to quickly become the "Official You Look Hideous Darling" thread.
Even GGs don't pass in the morning, unless they've been up all night.
I dare everyone to post their morning pics then.
Here's one of mine: http://imgur.com/KB62y (http://imgur.com/KB62y)
I don't use img tags because I don't like seeing pictures of myself.
Your hair is brushed! That's cheating. ;)
Did not! It looks much drier when I brush it... that hair was just me straightening it the day before.
:P
I can tell real bed head when I see it
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.123rf.com%2F400wm%2F400%2F400%2Fmaridav%2Fmaridav0912%2Fmaridav091200032%2F6072282-morning-hair-tired-woman-with-very-messy-long-morning-hair-and-a-silly-smile--just-out-of-bed-beauti.jpg&hash=6cc6f89247e04cc4604f2c3a291b61cfe3dd1c94)
Quote from: Jamie D on June 06, 2012, 03:07:51 AM
OMG, if we start posting first-thing-in-the-morning pictures this is going to quickly become the "Official You Look Hideous Darling" thread.
I'd be in there a lot then. lol
Hm.
I don't move around much in my sleep, I guess, and my hair is hardly average. I have never seen my hair resemble that before, though... I have had a few times where I wake up with perfectly styled hair, even.
Makes up for the disasterous hair days that I can have, like today. My curls decided to riot.
Quote from: Keaira on June 06, 2012, 03:36:46 AM
I'd be in there a lot then. lol
You and me both
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Quote from: Kelly J. P. on June 06, 2012, 03:37:14 AM
Hm.
I don't move around much in my sleep, I guess, and my hair is hardly average. I have never seen my hair resemble that before, though... I have had a few times where I wake up with perfectly styled hair, even.
Makes up for the disasterous hair days that I can have, like today. My curls decided to riot.
Your pic was waaaay too pretty for first-thing-in-the-morning
Hm. Well, not much I can do about whether I'm to be believed.
Here's a woke-up-like-this with my nasty waves: http://imgur.com/drLbv (http://imgur.com/drLbv)
Some like my waves, but they are very irritating in my opinion. However, I prefer shorter hair in general... long hair is tedious and inconvenient.
It's a bit older, but it applies. Like, March old. In any case, I try to look neater... like in this pic (one of the few pics I like of myself): http://imgur.com/Hlwhc (http://imgur.com/Hlwhc)
Edit: You called me pretty. That's a win! ^,^
Quote from: Kelly J. P. on June 06, 2012, 04:30:26 AM
Hm. Well, not much I can do about whether I'm to be believed.
Here's a woke-up-like-this with my nasty waves: http://imgur.com/drLbv (http://imgur.com/drLbv)
Some like my waves, but they are very irritating in my opinion. However, I prefer shorter hair in general... long hair is tedious and inconvenient.
It's a bit older, but it applies. Like, March old. In any case, I try to look neater... like in this pic (one of the few pics I like of myself): http://imgur.com/Hlwhc (http://imgur.com/Hlwhc)
Edit: You called me pretty. That's a win! ^,^
From those pictures, you
are pretty. Very. Especially your eyes.
But Sephirah, these are supposed to be hideous bed head pictures!
Down in my part of California they have a saying ...
No way, Jose
Quote from: Jamie D on June 06, 2012, 04:48:43 AM
But Sephirah, these are supposed to be hideous bed head pictures!
:P
You can't look hideous when you're living true to yourself. It's not possible. The true beauty of a person shines from inside, from behind their eyes. And that's apparent even when they've just woken up. To me, anyways. :)
Quote from: Keaira on June 04, 2012, 01:07:21 PM
How about you Naturally Blonde?
Taken yesterday morning Keaira! notice the swollen eyes which I always get in the morning when I have just got up and haven't had enough sleep! excuses, excuses! 14 years on HRT and notice the non existent fat re-distribution, not a pretty sight but then again I'm not young like many of you lovely girls!
Quote from: Jamie D on June 06, 2012, 03:45:26 AM
Your pic was waaaay too pretty for first-thing-in-the-morning
Yes I agree, you look very nice kelly!
Kelly! You look great in the morning...now I feel even worse lol ;)
Miss natural blond, that's more MY look...you also look good just outta bed?
Let's see, maybe I can fog up the mirror real good or put the camera on the other side of the room before taking my pic, hmmmm
I don't wanna scare you all so early, lol
Ok, lol....here is me first thing in the morn ;)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg4%2FKR3259%2Fodds%2520n%2520ends%2Fsecuredownload-2.jpg&hash=7b0f3f905915c3b347471beeb06c094e54dead8f)
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 06, 2012, 06:25:22 AM
Taken yesterday morning Keaira! notice the swollen eyes which I always get in the morning when I have just got up and haven't had enough sleep! excuses, excuses! 14 years on HRT and notice the non existent fat re-distribution, not a pretty sight but then again I'm not young like many of you lovely girls!
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Well done for taking the challenge. :P
Stepping out our comfort zone is how we take that first step from hiding in the house to the open world after all. I just happen to be reckless enough to try to do things first. Oh btw, I hope you like my new avatar. ^_^
I had been awake for about 10 minutes before this shot, we were trying to figure out where to go eat breakfast. My girlfriend at the time took this picture and I later found it on her camera, it's since been one of my favorite photos
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Quote from: VannaSiamese on June 07, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
I had been awake for about 10 minutes before this shot, we were trying to figure out where to go eat breakfast. My girlfriend at the time took this picture and I later found it on her camera, it's since been one of my favorite photos
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Vanna...you are adorable!!! I dont know where to begin with the compliments on your looks ;)
Quote from: Michelle G on June 07, 2012, 02:55:35 PM
Vanna...you are adorable!!! I dont know where to begin with the compliments on your looks ;)
Haha thank you =)
Quote from: Keaira on June 07, 2012, 01:29:04 PM
Well done for taking the challenge. :P
Stepping out our comfort zone is how we take that first step from hiding in the house to the open world after all. I just happen to be reckless enough to try to do things first. Oh btw, I hope you like my new avatar. ^_^
Hiding in the house? what do you mean by that Keaira? I transitioned 15 years ago! no hiding around here!
Nice pic Vanna Siamese! but it doesn't look like you've just crawled out of your bed!
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 07, 2012, 04:18:05 PM
Hiding in the house? what do you mean by that Keaira? I transitioned 15 years ago! no hiding around here!
*sigh* nevermind.. that post wasn't all about you.
Quote from: Keaira on June 08, 2012, 12:36:17 AM
*sigh* nevermind.. that post wasn't all about you.
Glad to hear it Keaira! how's the laser going?
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on June 08, 2012, 05:06:29 AM
Glad to hear it Keaira! how's the laser going?
Oooh, that's right, EVERYONE here in the US has a spare $300 dollars or so just laying around. While I'm at it I'll just put SRS on layaway. I mean, silly me, I shouldn't spend all my money on things for my family or a roof over our heads. I'm just blowing money like it's going out of style.
Honestly I think laser is more important than clothes and makeup, maybe even more important than HRT. This facial hair kills my self confidence when it's at that awkward length where I can't quite cover it all up, and can't quite shave it off. Plus those scars and skin irritation caused by shaving don't help either :(
Yeah you can cover it, but if someone gets close enough to your face, they can tell. Plus if someone is making out with you, they're gonna feel that stubble or roughness. Not cool!!!
BTW I'm not coming down on anybody, so please don't get defensive...
Im not brave or confident enough to try and pass before im finished with laser and ffs, will try and have laser done and ffs monies in next 12-18 months.
Kudos to keira for having the confidence and guts to go full time. Every pic I see shows improvement too.
I've seen ciswomen who have thicker and darker facial hair than I had pre-HRT.
Sure, I want to get rid of this crap as much as any woman. But I don't let it hold me back in living my life. And the first time I went and had laser hair removal, it was only $90 a session.
That's a huge jump in price to get to $300.
But you can go though and have all the FFS done, laser hair removal, SRS, the works and still be clocked. So holding others to their own standards when they don't even know that person is no better than being judged less than a woman by a ciswoman. I know that one thing I am tired of is having to fight for everything in my life. But I will never roll over and give up. I went full time after 3 months on HRT btw
-shrugs-
Quote from: Keaira on June 08, 2012, 06:00:44 AM
Oooh, that's right, EVERYONE here in the US has a spare $300 dollars or so just laying around. While I'm at it I'll just put SRS on layaway. I mean, silly me, I shouldn't spend all my money on things for my family or a roof over our heads. I'm just blowing money like it's going out of style.
That's about the same as I spend on laser per session (£150.00 U.K money) and I don't have much money. I also drive 70 miles round trip (so there's a fuel cost on top) but it's the best place I've been to for laser.
For me personally laser was very important and getting rid of any traces of facial hair is also very important, especially being out everyday and people seeing you at close quarters. For me these priorities were and still are way in front of procedures like SRS.
Quote from: Alainaluvsu on June 08, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
Honestly I think laser is more important than clothes and makeup, maybe even more important than HRT. This facial hair kills my self confidence when it's at that awkward length where I can't quite cover it all up, and can't quite shave it off. Plus those scars and skin irritation caused by shaving don't help either :(
Yeah you can cover it, but if someone gets close enough to your face, they can tell. Plus if someone is making out with you, they're gonna feel that stubble or roughness. Not cool!!!
BTW I'm not coming down on anybody, so please don't get defensive...
Absolutely my point Alaina! I totally agree with you.
Quote from: Michelle G on June 07, 2012, 12:27:44 PM
Ok, lol....here is me first thing in the morn ;)
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Bed head!
This thread has been moderated for vexatious content not related to "Passing in the morning."
-_-
Some of the folks where I live pass in the morning, but the police investigators and the morgue usually have it all tidied up by the afternoon :-\
Quote from: V M on June 09, 2012, 01:11:36 AM
Some of the folks where I live pass in the morning, but the police investigators and the morgue usually have it all tidied up by the afternoon :-\
Oh I get it now! Lol
Laser hair removal was a lower priority to my name usage at work problem. Now that that is taken care of, I can use the money I was saving for court fees towards hair removal. Besides, I deserve the right to look like hell in the morning. so neh :P
Right on, problem resolved :) Now let's move forward before the thread gets locked or I have to frighten everyone with one of my just woke up pic.s
Oh, God, NOOOOOO!