Scanners will display prosthetics and identify transgender travellers
Rory Callinan
June 11, 2012
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/scanners-will-display-prosthetics-and-identify-transgender-travellers-20120610-204g9.html (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/scanners-will-display-prosthetics-and-identify-transgender-travellers-20120610-204g9.html)
CONTROVERSIAL full body scanners due to be introduced in airports next month will identify prosthesis wearers, including breast cancer survivors and transgender passengers.
Earlier this year the federal government announced that the new scanners to be installed in eight international terminals would be set to show only a generic stick figure image to protect passengers' privacy.
But documents released under freedom of information show that in meetings with stakeholders, Office of Transport Security representatives confirmed the machines would detect passengers wearing a prosthesis.
We've had the "Shoe Bomber."
We've had the "Underwear Bomber."
What's next? The "Knocker Bomber"?
Quote from: Jamie D on June 11, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
We've had the "Shoe Bomber."
We've had the "Underwear Bomber."
What's next? The "Knocker Bomber"?
and to avoid leaving anyone out, don't forget the "Packer Bomber."
Your breast forms will need to be removed and examined for explosive substances. Please place these in the basket to the left. And enjoy your flight.
Quote from: crazy old bat on June 11, 2012, 11:09:00 AM
and to avoid leaving anyone out, don't forget the "Packer Bomber."
This could be right out of
Austin Powers.
Quote from: Laura91 on June 11, 2012, 03:21:33 PM
I think the whole thing is pretty disgusting. I would rather have my freedom than their "security".
agreed. the pilot needs to be given self defense tactics, plus the passengers need to be given better emergency escape plans. the security is ->-bleeped-<-.
Welcome to the new America, where you have no rights.
To be honest, I don't care much as long as I'm allowed on the plane.
What? You go through a scanner, talk to the officer there a bit and get out.
You'll never see anyone you saw at the airport again.
I've taken the plane well over 30 times.
No biggie for me. I've seen it all.
Is it wrong? Hell yes it is.
But I'm not going to freak out about it.
If they wanna see my packer, I'll just slap it on their table.
Reactions should be priceless.
Than again, I don't really wear my packer.
Quote from: Jamie D on June 11, 2012, 11:25:03 AM
This could be right out of Austin Powers.
The chick with the shooting titties xD
I've been traveling on the ground since 9-11 anyway because I cannot afford an air ticket plus an 18" telescope does not apply as carry on.
Joelene
Quote from: Ms. OBrien on June 11, 2012, 05:30:42 PM
Welcome to the new America, where you have no rights.
I'm not sure I understand the connection.
I believe the post need sarcasm tags. Yes?
Quote from: Jayr on June 12, 2012, 12:05:25 AM
The chick with the shooting titties xD
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frobotuprisingawareness.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F01%2Faustin-powers-fembots.jpg&hash=88193f10096b7d2a43e7a56247af6a03485f6a39)
I love fembots.
(Except on my flight)
I live here and I see rights being taken away.
Too long to explain what was meant, so I removed the post.
"Silence is golden, but my eyes still see..." ::)
Um,
Axelle
Hmm, It is very iffy I think... Technically flight is a service, so I don't think by definition anything that isn't against the law would be a loss of a right.
However we all have personal rights to privacy that simply aren't protected, but in some cases the majority is fine with it not being protected becasue it doesn't harm them for x, y, or z reason. So is it right to go through as many hoops to protect everyone, or leave some out in the cold? It's really an unanswerable question becasue neither is a perfect solution.
Who knows.
There exists no "right" to fly on a commercial airliner.
By doing so, you accept the red tape that comes with it.
Quote from: Jamie D on June 12, 2012, 12:53:28 PM
There exists no "right" to fly on a commercial airliner.
By doing so, you accept the red tape that comes with it.
Now we getting there... quite some :)
Axelle
Quote from: Laura91 on June 13, 2012, 12:55:11 AM
Well, what the hell..let's just trash our rights all together? It's all just silly crap anyway. ::)
It is "silly crap" until some guy takes of his shoes off and tries to blow up the plane.
There is a website, PlaneCrashInfo.com that keeps a datebase of commericial aircraft disasters. Some of the terrorist actions will make your hair stand on end.
Terrorists, especially the Islamofascists, just don't think about things the same way we in the West do. They see terrorism through a prism of religious hate and envy, and do not bat an eye to become suicide murders. It is much like the kamakazi mentality in WWII.
Quote from: Laura91 on June 13, 2012, 01:42:16 AM
Well, I think that it is stupid to give up some of your rights over something that "could" happen. I guess I need to "agree to disagree" on this subject.
By the way, my "silly crap" comment was referring to the erosion of civil liberties. It wasn't referring to terrorist attacks.
Okay, I misunderstood.
I am a civil libertarian. I agree with you in principle. I recall Benjamin Franklin's quotation,
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.These airline regulations must balance the role of the government as the protector of the People, with the People's liberties. I don't see being questioned or scanned before a flight as giving up an essential liberty. It is a nuisance, but not an invasion of my privacy.
Being outed by being required to walk through a full body scanner that illustrates all the intimate details is an invasion of my privacy.
Quote from: Butterflyhugs on June 13, 2012, 02:09:23 AM
Being outed by being required to walk through a full body scanner that illustrates all the intimate details is an invasion of my privacy.
You always have the option of not going through the scanner. Then you get pulled aside and patted down. I believe you have posted about that before. From experience, I know it's not fun.
I'm of two minds on this.
I don't like the idea of someone being able to see I am trans, no matter what the company says about privacy I'm pretty sure whoever was looking at the scans and saw someone was trans would tell somebody else. That could be other work mates on the sly or there family when they get home and whilst I doubt anything would come of it I don't want to be someone else's discussion.
Having said that Im scared of flying, the security we have in the UK doesn't put me anymore at ease either. So it wouldn't be something I would like but it would make me feel safer. At least then I would know if something was going to go wrong it would be something with the plane and I wasn't about to be held hostage and blown up.
Quote from: Jamie D on June 13, 2012, 01:28:53 AM
It is "silly crap" until some guy takes of his shoes off and tries to blow up the plane.
There is a website, PlaneCrashInfo.com that keeps a datebase of commericial aircraft disasters. Some of the terrorist actions will make your hair stand on end.
Terrorists, especially the Islamofascists, just don't think about things the same way we in the West do. They see terrorism through a prism of religious hate and envy, and do not bat an eye to become suicide murders. It is much like the kamakazi mentality in WWII.
Please don't make this a religious or racist attack. Interestingly you left out the Crusades and the Inquisition.
Quote from: Jeneva on June 13, 2012, 07:49:09 AM
Please don't make this a religious or racist attack. Interestingly you left out the Crusades and the Inquisition.
Wow! Really?
Axélle
PS: I travelled, had to, A LOT after 9/11 in the US, and yes it was a pain in the ass, and still is. But if you HAVE to travel to earn a living... I still like to do it in this life and not some 'higher' place, yet. But then as always YMMV.
Quote from: Axélle on June 13, 2012, 08:10:51 AM
Wow! Really?
Yes, really. We can't let ourselves slip into us and them. And that is what the rhetoric was trying to do. The islamofascists? The kamikaze? THEY are the bad guys.....
It isn't just trans-divisiveness I dislike, it is any divisiveness.
Quote from: Jeneva on June 13, 2012, 08:41:12 AM
Yes, really. We can't let ourselves slip into us and them. And that is what the rhetoric was trying to do. The islamofascists? The kamikaze? THEY are the bad guys.....
It isn't just trans-divisiveness I dislike, it is any divisiveness.
OK, I see, but please do not ask me to go any place where those divisivnesses hang out.
I do get scared, you know. And some divisiveness, I call it discretion, usually helps me - without advertising it though, um. :)
Axélle
Quote from: Axélle on June 13, 2012, 10:44:31 AM
OK, I see, but please do not ask me to go any place where those divisivnesses hang out.
I do get scared, you know. And some divisiveness, I call it discretion, usually helps me - without advertising it though, um. :)
Axélle
But you went exactly where us/them usually goes. You couldn't even bring yourself to call them people in the above sentence. When we demonize THEM, then we dehumanize them and can suddenly justify atrocities against them (torture/indefinite detention/etc.).
Yes there are some Islamic people that are terrorists, but many are not. Islamofascist is an inflammatory term MEANT to polarize response against a class of people.
There have been many atrocities committed by Christians, but we don't call them Christofascists. So how can you justify the other term, especially from a moderator?
Isn't this exactly what we struggle against in society? Being dehumanized, called IT, beaten because we are what we are. How can any of us support doing the same to any class of people?
I believe in a world of Love and Trust and not of Fear and Hate.
Quote from: Jeneva on June 13, 2012, 07:49:09 AM
Please don't make this a religious or racist attack. Interestingly you left out the Crusades and the Inquisition.
Thank you for pointing that out. I was really addressing the "mind set" rather than the religion or ethnicity.
It has to do with the Islamic concept of martyrdom.
"Islamofascist" was meant to differentiate the extremists from mainstream Muslims.
My apologies for offending you.
Let's please return to the topic at hand: "Scanners will display prosthetics and identify transgender travellers."
Thank you.