When you clock another tg person what do you do? I just make sure that I don't give him/her any too long stares even by accident because that can make them feel bad and also it could make others clock them. In general, I feel like tg people can sort of "sense" each other. Even if a girl is flawless and femme or a transguy is as dudely as they come I just know and I can tell they know too. Do you feel this way ? Like we all have some kinda transdar?
If I'm able to clock a trans person, I pretty much just treat them like a person. There's a couple of trans guys at my Transgender Parents support group who I'd never even guess were trans if I didn't know their history. At first, I thought there were partners of trans parents.
So, I don't even always clock other trans persons anyway.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 21, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
Do you feel this way ? Like we all have some kinda transdar?
I'm not sure it's so much that as it is people who have developed a hyper-awareness of the way they look, act and carry themselves in order to be seen as who they are simply applying that awareness to other folks. Picking up on a wider range of indicators, such as subtle cues in body language, which might otherwise be missed had they not learned to read their own body language and know what to look for. Perhaps this comes from a subconscious checklist of things applied to see if someone 'passes' in society in order to determine whether the individual themselves does, or would.
I actually think that the more one accepts themselves within their environment and focuses on other aspects of life, the more this tendency recedes into the background because it's just not something you pay attention to as much.
As for clocking someone, well, that actually means something else where I live so I tend not to use the word. But in terms of noticing... hmm... I don't really scrutinise other folks in that great a depth, to be honest. I'm usually too busy thinking about other things so I tend to take folks at face value and give, at most, a cursory glance, whoever they are.
Of course I don't stare at them, but still, I pretty much subtley try to look for flaws on their body. Can't help it. For example, there was a woman who was helping me set up a bank account, and she was tall and had a low ass voice. I kept looking for masculine flaws but I couldn't find any, her body was like flawless. I still suspect it though, cause I don't know any young ciswomen with low voices like that.
This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder about the concerns that are so often expressed about passing. People come in such a wide variety of shapes, sizes, voices, deportments or whatever else that there seems to be a large target to aim at for a given gender. I wonder how much of it is down to your own confidence in your gender identity and how much of the window dressing is there to give you the necessary level of confidence.
It also makes me wonder whether us transfolks aren't a marketers dream what with our huge chasms of self-doubt waiting to be filled by the right product or treatment.
Rosie
People used to think that all gay men were effeminate because people used to think that effeminate men were always gay. When gays started talking about themselves people began to realize that not all gay men fit the previously accepted stereotype.
Yes.. there is some truth that trans people can spot other trans people, just like there was some truth about effeminate men being gay. But I knew someone for about 10 years and only recently found out that she was m2f, someone from real life, not online. Had she not told me I never would have known.
I remember earlier in transition I went through a period where I was noticing trans people all the time. It was something about my own transition that was causing me to notice other trans women and I'm not sure that all of the trans women I spotted during that time were actually trans. What we think about other people usually means more about ourselves.
What? ...like, you don't use the secret TG handshake???
Not sure about clocking other transpeeps. When I see one, I just smile a little bit! The closest to "clocking" another trans person I ever got (after discovering myself and everything) was trying to determine whether someone is trans or not, which can often times make me cock my head and stare a bit -- in the nicest way possible I guess lol. I mean, despite my excellent gaydar and transreceiver, I just can NOT discern for the life of me with some people. Been trying to determine if someone I know is trans or not for a while now... and if he is, he passes SO damn well that it really makes me think he's not. And if he's not... I'm afraid to ask, because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. >.<
As for my "trans sense", yes, I can definitely relate to that. I've experienced this often, as I can just tell... it makes me feel bad sometimes, like I'm judgemental or something, but it's probably just because I'm like that too and as a result I know what to look for? Not sure if that explains it. It's one of those things that you just "do" instead of trying ot really having to think about it.
I see enough masculine natal women that it'd be mostly useless to bother with figuring it out unless someone were fairly obvious. I look at people, but mostly major features and what they wear more so than anything else.
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on June 21, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
Of course I don't stare at them, but still, I pretty much subtley try to look for flaws on their body. Can't help it. For example, there was a woman who was helping me set up a bank account, and she was tall and had a low ass voice. I kept looking for masculine flaws but I couldn't find any, her body was like flawless. I still suspect it though, cause I don't know any young ciswomen with low voices like that.
I saw this very tall, very skinny almost anorexic looking woman in the supermarket, she immediately stood out. The first thing I noticed was her really skinny legs and she was wearing leggings, her legs were like sticks and her upper body was much bigger than her lower body. She also had very big hands. I thought she must be T? I'm still not sure but I couldn't help looking to try and find out.
Quote from: Elena G on June 21, 2012, 05:45:04 PM
What? ...like, you don't use the secret TG handshake???
We stopped using the handshake 3 years ago... we now use the secret decoder ring. ;)
I almost spotted one once.
If I see someone that I believe to be trans out in public I just smile politely as I do with anyone and not make an issue
I definitely don't want to out them or make someone uncomfortable and what if I approach them and I'm wrong? Then I've outed myself and insulted someone
As much as I'd like to meet some other trans people, I'm not going to step myself knee deep in a public bog
Haven't met any that I...discerned...were trans, but if I did I'd probably just say, "Hi" like to anyone else.
Hopefully *their* trans-dar is on and they "discern" me...of course, they wouldn't need to have it on...I'm far too easy to read.
Ehm, I've never met a transsexual, or not that I know, at least. So, no idea!
Quote from: A on June 21, 2012, 09:20:34 PM
Ehm, I've never met a transsexual, or not that I know, at least. So, no idea!
The irony of it is that all the people you have met have :P
I avoid eye contact which seems to be "de rigeuer" in San Francisco.
2 Words.
Confirmation Bias.
Quote from: Elena G on June 21, 2012, 05:45:04 PM
What? ...like, you don't use the secret TG handshake???
This one?
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In my wandering around San Francisco yesterday and at a private concert I noticed a few trans girls, was standing next to a very tall pretty girl at the show, didn't exchange glances at all but if we had, a smile is all I usually do.
Even though we have this in common I don't think it's appropriate to walk up and start talking
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 21, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
In general, I feel like tg people can sort of "sense" each other. Even if a girl is flawless and femme or a transguy is as dudely as they come I just know and I can tell they know too. Do you feel this way ? Like we all have some kinda transdar?
I actually feel the opposite... I'm sure I haven't been able to clock many, or perhaps even most, trans people. Because I don't notice that many at all.
Besides, you wouldn't actually know if you weren't able to tell... so you wouldn't even know you've failed to detect one...
I've only smiled at a trans person I came across on the street once. She looked away uncomfortably from me. (Not because I don't like smiling... but because the trans people I notice almost never happen to be looking at me)
Quote from: V M on June 21, 2012, 08:48:21 PM
If I see someone that I believe to be trans out in public I just smile politely as I do with anyone and not make an issue
I definitely don't want to out them or make someone uncomfortable and what if I approach them and I'm wrong? Then I've outed myself and insulted someone
As much as I'd like to meet some other trans people, I'm not going to step myself knee deep in a public bog
Which is exactly the right approach V M!
Reminds me of a couple of years ago...walking into a supermarket in Amsterdam and passing a short, blocky, barrelchested hideously pumped south american TS.
Pumped cheekbones and lips, a surgically almost hacked away nose, pumped breasts, hideously pumped buttocks, hips and thighs...
She spotted me and asked me in strange, fake twisted 'feminine' voice: 'are you a man or a woman'?
'I was just about to ask you the very same question', I replied and she went beserk, defending she was a real woman etc....LOL!
Absolutely hilarious!
Her ideas of 'passability' and 'fysical feminity' didn't coincide with mine for sure....being in Holland and not in South America....lol!
I think I see trans people every where, but they probably aren't. A lot people have some features that might be considered masculine and feminine.
Kate
QuoteIf I see someone that I believe to be trans out in public I just smile politely as I do with anyone and not make an issue
I definitely don't want to out them or make someone uncomfortable and what if I approach them and I'm wrong? Then I've outed myself and insulted someone
As much as I'd like to meet some other trans people, I'm not going to step myself knee deep in a public bog
I don't know about you, but I don't feel like asking someone if he/she is a trans is an insult of any kind. It's like if I ask a person with big eyebrow ridges and small eyes if they have Down's syndrome. I know what you think, and to a certain point I might do it as well, but how do you think a trans person might feel when knowing people feel offended for being mistaken for a trans? It's like acknowledging, in a way, that we're inferior to them.
I don't believe so. If you ask someone whether they're trans...
If they're trans, they will feel depressed to be reminded of their difference, as well as to know that they have been clocked.
If they're not, they will think that they look like they are trans. And looking like you are trans is a purely objectively negative thing. It's like saying: "Hey, you're ugly" or "Hey, you look like a guy". It's definitely rude.
And there's also the "none of your business" argument that stands pretty strong. You don't go asking strangers about personal stuff. Actually, you just don't address strangers for no reason, much less be nosy and impolite.
huhn, no if you see one, don't stair. Its not nice to stair at anyone anyway. Don't smile at them either, because if your with some one, they will want to know why your smiling to that person, or attract some one else's attention to that person. Nope, just look away, and act naturally, you really wouldn't like it if it were you being stared at, or smiled at in any sort of awkward way. ^^
QuoteI don't know about you, but I don't feel like asking someone if he/she is a trans is an insult of any kind. It's like if I ask a person with big eyebrow ridges and small eyes if they have Down's syndrome. I know what you think, and to a certain point I might do it as well, but how do you think a trans person might feel when knowing people feel offended for being mistaken for a trans? It's like acknowledging, in a way, that we're inferior to them.
Well its actually non of your business to be honest who or what that person is. Nor do they probably want to know what you are, or who. Would you ask a person dressed as a Fireman do they put out fires ? Thing is, if you think you know, good for you, if your not sure, its not your right to ask that person if they are a real man or a woman or trans. Please, think about it.
Quote from: A on June 22, 2012, 01:20:59 PM
I don't believe so. If you ask someone whether they're trans...
If they're trans, they will feel depressed to be reminded of their difference, as well as to know that they have been clocked.
If they're not, they will think that they look like they are trans. And looking like you are trans is a purely objectively negative thing. It's like saying: "Hey, you're ugly" or "Hey, you look like a guy". It's definitely rude.
And there's also the "none of your business" argument that stands pretty strong. You don't go asking strangers about personal stuff. Actually, you just don't address strangers for no reason, much less be nosy and impolite.
I agree with the last part, which is what, I suppose (read: hope), people should do, at least most of the time. Still, I don't think that kind of stigmatization is any good. Oh, well...
Also, @ kitty babe, I wasn't implying that I WAS asking people that, I was talking about people who do. You know, hypothetically speaking...
Quote from: Elena G on June 22, 2012, 01:08:48 PM
I don't know about you, but I don't feel like asking someone if he/she is a trans is an insult of any kind.
But it matters less whether you think it's an insult or not...
What matters more is whether the other person thinks it is or not.
Would you sit on a Qur'an in front of a Muslim just because you don't think it is insulting to anyone?
You can say all you want "I don't mean it as an insult at all" and you may really mean it, but in the end the other person still feels insulted.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on June 21, 2012, 10:20:12 PM
I avoid eye contact which seems to be "de rigeuer" in San Francisco.
LOL, seriously? :P Because... I don't know. I can't help BUT make eye contact with people when out on the prowl. XD
No wonder I feel so out of place in this city... >.>
Quote from: apple pie on June 22, 2012, 01:54:11 PM
But it matters less whether you think it's an insult or not...
What matters more is whether the other person thinks it is or not.
Would you sit on a Qur'an in front of a Muslim just because you don't think it is insulting to anyone?
You can say all you want "I don't mean it as an insult at all" and you may really mean it, but in the end the other person still feels insulted.
Well, there's a lot of people that feel insulted, too, if they are mistaken for an 'immigrant'. You can get whacked for doing so where I live, for example. So you can never ask a person where are they from because you will probably offend them, or get crushed. Sooner or later, everything is gonna offend anyone and we'll always f*****g be politically correct forever. This is specially surprising coming from this message board, but again, oh well...
Eh, with immigrants, it's racism/xenophobia, but with trans people, it's nothing of the sort. It has nothing to do with transphobia or stigmatising or anything. It's purely about looks. Looking trans = looking like the other gender = having undesirable looks = being ugly, in my book. And people don't like being told they're ugly; that's just natural.
Quote from: A on June 22, 2012, 03:07:34 PM
Eh, with immigrants, it's racism/xenophobia, but with trans people, it's nothing of the sort. It has nothing to do with transphobia or stigmatising or anything. It's purely about looks. Looking trans = looking like the other gender = having undesirable looks = being ugly, in my book. And people don't like being told they're ugly; that's just natural.
And what about the illegal-in-many-countries doctrines included in the Quran, including treatment of women? Shouldn't I sit on that 'holy' book then? Also, racism wasn't even recognized as such (name included) until the 20th century. So it was cool to abuse n****rs then just as transphobia will take a lot to sink in from now on.
So BEING trans is acceptable, but LOOKING trans ain't cool? So, then, being trans but looking cute is good, but if you are one of the many transsexuals who don't pass even to blind people then you are ugly and undesirable?
Oh, ok then...
It IS stigmatization, because it makes people assume that transsexual equals ugly. Let 20 years pass and tell me how many young-transitioned TGs are fugly. Will that end it, then?
I live in Toronto which is a hive of activity for anything LGBT and just about anything else 'non-traditional'. (Seriously - there's a even place where you can learn competitive axe throwing!) As such I see at least two new trans people every day without even going downtown into the heart of it all. It's nice to see so many of them just going about their lives. Due perhaps in part to the frequency of financial troubles I see a lot of them shopping for clothes at the big thrift stores. Most of these people are not sticking out very obviously - In fact, I found the vast majority to be quite attractive and well-dressed. I'm just the kind of person who is very aware of what's around me. Ever since I identified as trans I've not been able to help but look around for it in others. Before then I had only noticed the very obvious ones.
I've also seen a few transwomen that were clearly married to the man they were with and behaved no differently from any other average straight couple. In my retail job I helped one such couple and tried to act exactly as I would with anyone else - I made an effort to give the women an equal amount of eye contact and speaking time. Can't say for sure but there seemed to be a point where for a very brief moment we exchanged a silent and pleasant understanding with our eyes. I may not have an interest in men myself but it's really nice seeing trans people who have been able to find a traditional, happy relationship.
You might be... seeing too much evil in things. I didn't say it wasn't okay not to pass, just that it wasn't a desirable situation for anyone, and that's a fact. Not passing is sad but not wrong per se. Even so, is it all right to just go to strangers and say "hey, you don't pass"? Definitely not. Because that's exactly what engaging someone about their transsexualism is.
It's not stigmatisation; it's reality. Passing is desirable to everyone (leave aside gender variant people); thus not passing is a negative thing. And reminding strangers of negative things about themselves is rude.
I do agree that the politically correct things are taken too far sometimes... But being polite and reserved towards strangers is just basic manners.
Quote from: A on June 22, 2012, 07:25:14 PM
You might be... seeing too much evil in things. I didn't say it wasn't okay not to pass, just that it wasn't a desirable situation for anyone, and that's a fact. Not passing is sad but not wrong per se. Even so, is it all right to just go to strangers and say "hey, you don't pass"? Definitely not. Because that's exactly what engaging someone about their transsexualism is.
It's not stigmatisation; it's reality. Passing is desirable to everyone (leave aside gender variant people); thus not passing is a negative thing. And reminding strangers of negative things about themselves is rude.
I do agree that the politically correct things are taken too far sometimes... But being polite and reserved towards strangers is just basic manners.
I like not passing. As a guy :p.
It's kinda funny looking back over my life - Hundreds of people consistently had no problem telling me when I was young that there was something wrong with my voice for a guy and I was too small/skinny/weak for a guy. Then I grew up and hundreds of people have had no problem telling me I'm still too skinny for a guy and my personality traits are all wrong for a guy. No one doubted I was male but they sure put me through hell for not 'playing the part right'. Does that count as a pass?
In the end I concluded that I've always liked myself just fine the way I am but that a lot of other things those people didn't know pointed towards ->-bleeped-<-. Who knows what they will say during/after transition. Honestly I stopped caring a long time ago what anyone else had to say about me. I will do what it takes to be ME.
Quote from: Violet Bloom on June 22, 2012, 08:20:32 PM
It's kinda funny looking back over my life - Hundreds of people consistently had no problem telling me when I was young that there was something wrong with my voice for a guy and I was too small/skinny/weak for a guy. Then I grew up and hundreds of people have had no problem telling me I'm still too skinny for a guy and my personality traits are all wrong for a guy. No one doubted I was male but they sure put me through hell for not 'playing the part right'. Does that count as a pass?
In the end I concluded that I've always liked myself just fine the way I am but that a lot of other things those people didn't know pointed towards ->-bleeped-<-. Who knows what they will say during/after transition. Honestly I stopped caring a long time ago what anyone else had to say about me. I will do what it takes to be ME.
That is exactly how my life has been, and how my life is gonna be. Go for it, girl.
Quote from: Violet Bloom on June 22, 2012, 08:20:32 PM
It's kinda funny looking back over my life - Hundreds of people consistently had no problem telling me when I was young that there was something wrong with my voice for a guy and I was too small/skinny/weak for a guy. Then I grew up and hundreds of people have had no problem telling me I'm still too skinny for a guy and my personality traits are all wrong for a guy. No one doubted I was male but they sure put me through hell for not 'playing the part right'. Does that count as a pass?
In the end I concluded that I've always liked myself just fine the way I am but that a lot of other things those people didn't know pointed towards ->-bleeped-<-. Who knows what they will say during/after transition. Honestly I stopped caring a long time ago what anyone else had to say about me. I will do what it takes to be ME.
Yes....well said!
I am always "just me"
Quote from: Violet Bloom on June 22, 2012, 08:20:32 PM
I stopped caring a long time ago what anyone else had to say about me. I will do what it takes to be ME.
Feelin' you there hon :)
I feel that I can usually tell... there is just a "thing" to a trans face that generally makes it look slightly different than a cis face. Probably just a bone structure issue. But like, for example, when cis girl SOs post here and their avatar is a pic of themselves I can almost immediately tell that they are not trans.
Quote from: pretty on June 22, 2012, 09:20:25 PM
I feel that I can usually tell... there is just a "thing" to a trans face that generally makes it look slightly different than a cis face. Probably just a bone structure issue. But like, for example, when cis girl SOs post here and their avatar is a pic of themselves I can almost immediately tell that they are not trans.
Feel the same way, although I've had people on fb ask me if I'm ftm based on my face so who the he'll knows what's happening? Lmao.
I certainly wouldn't walk up to them to tell them they don't pass but even if I met quite a few trans people I never met one that was almost* flawlessly passable. Meaning every trans I met either looked blatantly trans( to me) or were cis looking so I just didn't clock them. I agree though we can more easily clock each other than cis people. Sometimes it's demeanor, sometimes it's bone structure or voice but I have yet to see a trans woman "blend" better than me honestly because those that do are unclockable. I've been extremely lucky in the bone structure department though so I don't care in the least how pretentious you think that sounds it's not like I played any role in my physiological predisposition.
Quote from: Seyranna on June 22, 2012, 09:34:57 PM
I certainly wouldn't walk up to them to tell them they don't pass but even if I met quite a few trans people I never met one that was almost* flawlessly passable. Meaning every trans I met either looked blatantly trans( to me) or were cis looking so I just didn't clock them. I agree though we can more easily clock each other than cis people. Sometimes it's demeanor, sometimes it's bone structure or voice but I have yet to see a trans woman "blend" better than me honestly because those that do are unclockable. I've been extremely lucky in the bone structure department though so I don't care in the least how pretentious you think that sounds it's not like I played any role in my physiological predisposition.
Why would we begrudge you your prettyness? Flaunt it! :D
Quote from: pretty on June 22, 2012, 09:20:25 PM
I feel that I can usually tell... there is just a "thing" to a trans face that generally makes it look slightly different than a cis face. Probably just a bone structure issue. But like, for example, when cis girl SOs post here and their avatar is a pic of themselves I can almost immediately tell that they are not trans.
Usually you can tell a MTF from a ciswoman by her overall sizes.
(Slightly) taller but also a (much) bigger head, a broader neck, shoulders, chest etc
I have seen several sisters, or I should say I think they were sisters. I just look at their sense of style and how they look. Otherwise I give no indication that I noticed them, except for returning the "woman" smile.
I think "they" would be a better word than "it".
weird, comments like that is how I usually clock a transphobe.
:'(
Quote from: crazy old bat on June 23, 2012, 10:49:13 AM
weird, comments like that is how I usually clock a transphobe.
+1,000,000
"it" and "->-bleeped-<-" are two words I didnt need to see so early in the morning...thanx a lot
You people are so PC. "It" = reference to visual representation of a person vs birth sex. I don't care whether it's a human, dog, fish, head massager etc...
It's harder for me to clock transmen. I've met 3 guys who were trans in the past and if they never told me i couldn't ever guess.
But for transwomen, I've seen about 2 others, and could have telled just from looking at them.
I guess mtfs stick out more.
Quote from: Aeris on June 23, 2012, 12:22:18 PM
It's harder for me to clock transmen. I've met 3 guys who were trans in the past and if they never told me i couldn't ever guess.
But for transwomen, I've seen about 2 others, and could have telled just from looking at them.
I guess mtfs stick out more.
Does seem that way. One reason could be that people scrutinize women more. Neither men nor women usually look too close or long at what appears to be a man at first glance.
Quote from: 8888 on June 23, 2012, 12:07:18 PM
You people are so PC. "It" = reference to visual representation of a person vs birth sex. I don't care whether it's a human, dog, fish, head massager etc...
Sometimes it's not the message, but the way it is delivered that offends.
So you are saying that if hairline <---> eyebrow, eyebrow <---> base of nose, base of nose <---> chin, are all equal then your transdar doesn't go off?
Actually I suspect that most people (even people who don't realize it) think of trans women as a separate species or as a man-made thing.
Beauty as a criteria is much harsher for trans women and requires much more "luck" than trans men... Ever seen a FTM 1/2+ years into HRT not "look" like a man and not "blend" well?! nope... However you look, whatever your body shape, facial hair works wonders but for trans women who got screwed over real bad by the T virus in their youth to be flawlessly passable is exceedingly rare. But it's likely that most, over time can blend very well nonetheless.
Quote from: 8888 on June 23, 2012, 12:07:18 PM
You people are so PC. "It" = reference to visual representation of a person vs birth sex. I don't care whether it's a human, dog, fish, head massager etc...
Oh? I think "it" is the worse thing that you can call someone who's transgendered, and I don't even feel comfortable calling a dog that.
When I was at work I had to host a cocktail party, as one of the officers it's part of my job to host the passengers. I saw a man and women, and immediately thought that the man was trans. They didn't seem to be talking to anyone else so I went and talked to them. I'm almost certain at that point he was trans. I enjoyed talking to them, but the wife was definitely been very defensive about her husbands masculinity. I wouldn't dream off saying anything to them, and I thought they where amazingly lovely. I'm pretty sure no one else had any inclining to their situation and that made me very happy for the both of them.
I am so lost what is clocking?
Being able to tell if someone is a transsexual.
If a trans woman walks down a mall and people are giggling as she walks by, she was clocked.
Quote from: Aeris on June 23, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
Being able to tell if someone is a transsexual.
If a trans woman walks down a mall and people are giggling as she walks by, she was clocked.
The only time I've ever been out in public fully done-up as female was for Halloween one year (before my trans-epiphany). A female friend wanted to go out as a gender-reversed pair. (I've concluded since that she has gender issues of her own.) I went right along with it and although I wasn't trying really seriously to pass, I did look pretty decent. Most people paid no attention of course, but I did get giggled at once. However it's not what you might think - the person in question was a rather masculine black man who was quite obviously giggling uncomfortably because he found me attractive even though he knew! I found it oddly pleasing >:-)
I don't have any sort of "transdar", but if I see someone who is visibly trans, and if I am to interact with them, then I go out of my way to be extra pleasant because they deserve it.
I think I can clock 98%+ of transpeople at least after a short while.
I usually just do nothing about it.
Quote from: Aeris on June 23, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
Being able to tell if someone is a transsexual.
If a trans woman walks down a mall and people are giggling as she walks by, she was clocked.
It's often not as crude as this. People are more polite these days, and the amount of androgyny out there means everything is sort of normal nowadays. More often, transwomen are clocked as they interact with others. It may be the voice, the height, the shoulders or just the movements. Being clocked feels very unpleasant, of course, no matter how polite people are about it.
Quote from: Aeris on June 23, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
Being able to tell if someone is a transsexual.
If a trans woman walks down a mall and people are giggling as she walks by, she was clocked.
Not 'really' shouldn't let yourself assume that's what its about, tell you what ! lets go ask them okay ? people giggle at things for all kinds of stupid reasons, those girls could well of been giggling at that 'trans girls' dress, or shoes or the way she did her make-up, not because she is trans anything. Just my thoughts on that, I am not nit picking, just wanted to give you another thing to consider in what you claimed. :)
QuoteIt's often not as crude as this. People are more polite these days, and the amount of androgyny out there means everything is sort of normal nowadays. More often, transwomen are clocked as they interact with others. It may be the voice, the height, the shoulders or just the movements. Being clocked feels very unpleasant, of course, no matter how polite people are about it.
Edit:
True that ! - BUT, I have actually seen a couple of women who live locally to me, who are as tall as me, and pretty slender too actually. Go figure, could be trans.. don't think so ! when I was out a few months ago at this local bar, saw a lady that night same hight as me, and BIGGER shoulders, than me even, - mind mine are not huge or anything by any means, but my point here is that you do get women with larger shoulders.
Fact is women come in all shapes and sizes same as guys, only the really narrow minded and basically 'stupid people' seem to think that all women are shaped like goddesses.
I live in the country where there are lots of horse ranches and vineyards, lots of sturdy country farm girls around here that look way different than girls you see in the city! broad shoulders, strong arms...I know full well they are natal born girls but it still makes me look twice