During my orientation at Cal, we were told that Cal has the most Nobel Prize winners of all the universities in the world and that any one of us could become a Nobel Prize winner. Like everyone, at one time, I was worried about trying to achieve the ultimate body and attractiveness. Then, slowly, I began to realize that there was much more to just being accepted as "a woman" and being attractive. I realized it was just a beginning, a rebirth...and now anyTHING is possible. Will I win a Nobel Prize? Probably not but doesn't mean I won't try.
Stupid Girl- Pink (Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcHkvlNVUwI#)
Stupid girl, stupid girls, stupid girls
Maybe if I act like that, that guy will call me back
Porno Paparazzi girl, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
Go to Fred Segal, you'll find them there
Laughing loud so all the little people stare
Looking for a daddy to pay for the champagne
(Drop a name)
What happened to the dreams of a girl president
She's dancing in the video next to 50 Cent
They travel in packs of two or three
With their itsy bitsy doggies and their teeny-weeny tees
Where, oh where, have the smart people gone?
Oh where, oh where could they be?
Maybe if I act like that, that guy will call me back
Porno Paparazzi girl, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
Baby if I act like that, flipping my blond hair back
Push up my bra like that, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
(Break it down now)
Disease's growing, it's epidemic
I'm scared that there ain't a cure
The world believes it and I'm going crazy
I cannot take any more
I'm so glad that I'll never fit in
That will never be me
Outcasts and girls with ambition
That's what I wanna see
Disasters all around
World despaired
Their only concern
Will they **** up my hair
Maybe if I act like that, that guy will call me back
Porno Paparazzi girl, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
Baby if I act like that, flipping my blond hair back
Push up my bra like that, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
[Interlude]
Oh my god you guys, I totally had more than 300 calories
That was so not sexy, no
Good one, can I borrow that?
[Vomits]
I WILL BE SKINNY
(Do ya thing, do ya thing, do ya thing)
(I like this, like this, like this)
Pretty will you **** me girl, silly as a lucky girl
Pull my head and suck it girl, stupid girl!
Pretty would you **** me girl, silly as a lucky girl
Pull my head and suck it girl, stupid girl!
Baby if I act like that, flipping my blond hair back
Push up my bra like that, stupid girl!
Maybe if I act like that, that guy will call me back
Porno Paparazzi girl, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
Baby if I act like that, flipping my blond hair back
Push up my bra like that, I don't wanna be a stupid girl
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Perhaps, president is a little too ambitious for a transwoman but we are teachers, lawyers, judges, police commissioners, doctors...are you becoming a woman to become a sex object...or do you want to be a real woman and help be the change you wish to see in the world?
i laughed wen i watched that music video cause all the girls that she calls "stupid girls", i act exactly like they do lol
I presume that is one vote for column A.
wel, I just wanna be me. Im not interested in conforming to any stereotypes to fit in.
Ive had enough of that allready.
That behavior does seem forced to me, over exagerated.
I dont see any grown women doing it, so maybe its an act that is dropped as those women grow up? Otherwise loads of 20 and 30 something women would still be at it.
Reminds me of a girl I know who ate salad every day cos in her words "its fashionable to eat salad" ???
QuotePerhaps, president is a little too ambitious for a transwoman but we are teachers, lawyers, judges, police commissioners, doctors...are you becoming a woman to become a sex object...or do you want to be a real woman and help be the change you wish to see in the world?
I got my doctorate awarded last month and by that time I didn't feel that it meant very much to me any more, I still don't. Now the whole thing seems an empty epitaph on my past life of constant study and ignoring the world around me to avoid seeing what I didn't want to see. During the time period leading up to this I felt myself for the first time becoming more attractive to myself and others. That meant a lot because I used to hate looking in the mirror at my old male exterior. I find it intensely satisfying to be attractive to others in this way as well. In the past I never quiet believed that anyone would find me attractive.
Some time in the future I feel I may come to appreciate my doctorate , but nowadays I tend to think of the costs involved. I wasted years thinking and learning things that have no practical application to the world I now find myself in. I was in bed every night before ten, I rarely left my office or house except for food or book shopping. I thought and worried about things I could do nothing about every day.
It's too late to apply any of that knowledge to any of the jobs you describe above, except perhaps for teacher, but that would involve some more time at school that I am no longer willing to spend.
I like how my breasts are growing...I like my hair. I like being attractive.
I'm tired of thinking about things.
Mark me up for A too, at least for the time being..... :D
Quote from: Siobhan on July 03, 2012, 02:08:52 AM
wel, I just wanna be me.
This, basically. ^^ I just want to be who I am, and I think that incorporates a little from both columns. On one hand, I
do want to look like a pretty girl rather than a man, and will pursue makeup, surgery, nice clothes et all to that end. There's also the fact that... well... women's fashion is fun! :D I've always been interested in it, and freely being able to express that interest now is nice.
On the other hand, though, I've always been a shy, bookish type not because of my gender dysphoria, but because that was who I genuinely enjoyed being. So even if I wind up being quite an attractive woman post-transition (doubtful, of course~), I don't think my personality, interests and the way I carry myself around others will change in any great way. I can see myself being less anxious and nervy once my dysphoria becomes less of an issue, but male or female, I don't think I'll ever be the sort of person that song talks about. I've always been more or less exactly who I wanted to be on the inside anyway. It's just the outside that needs to change. :)
The OP seems more like a statement than a question.
I dated someone who was very book-smart but in practical situations she was an idiot. She had several degrees. I have an AA in art. Chances are slim I will win a Nobel Peace Prize and I don't really give a rat's hindquarters.
My life isn't about being accepted or recognized as special, my life is about exploring my desires and my potential. I'm not interested in anyone who is trying to be something. I am only interested in people who are interested in being someone. There is a huge difference and the former tends to be pompous and narcissistic. That said I don't seek the company of bimbos either.
Kadri, I think you are correct in saying that we don't appreciate many of our achievements until months or years afterwards. What is your Ph.D. subjest field? Do I understand you want to teach in an university? Congrads on your achievement.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 02, 2012, 06:33:06 PM
Perhaps, president is a little too ambitious for a transwoman but we are teachers, lawyers, judges, police commissioners, doctors...are you becoming a woman to become a sex object...or do you want to be a real woman and help be the change you wish to see in the world?
My first response was to say that this seems like a false dichotomy, to me.
Years before I began transition, I was the primary source of income for my family. But, my dream career at that point was to be a house husband. I was surprised by the number of people who erroneously interpreted this as a lack of ambition. My goal was to serve my family.
Why is serving one's family not considered to be noble? Why is this seen with such little respect in society? I see many spouses and parents who work for their own self-aggrandizement. Their careers are their
raison d'etres.
These days, I am a tech writer and support analyst. But, this is not really by choice. It's what I do to pay the bills. My kids are turning into adults. My son is preparing to launch himself, and my daughter no longer lives with me. My life partner is now a friend I see upon occasion.
Who are my family now?
Why does wanting to have a life partner, and hoping to be attractive enough to attract one, have to be reduced to "becoming a sex object?" Perhaps there are those who are better suited to serving the world at large. It's not a lesser thing to be one who supports them.
Quote from: Connie Anne on July 03, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
My first response was to say that this seems like a false dichotomy, to me.
As the lady says.
I prefer to be hot AND brilliant, but to each their own. :P
The funny thing is know I can play the stupid girl card when I don't wanna _______ fill in the blank, never could get away with OH I'm sorry I don't know anything about that as a guy.... ;)
I want to be a smart and hot girl, but without being so shy or embarrassed about looking stupid once in a while. I just graduated as an applied and pure mathematics and economics major with a minor in computer science. I will be starting on my M.S./Ph.D. degree in statistics this fall.
I want to be me. Without a doubt, I would like to be pretty, and I have a certain preference about my appearance - for my own happiness - but I don't particularly care for the massively-pervading consumerist attitude that tends to come with being pretty. One causes the other... to be pretty these days, you have to pay people, and the price is not merely monetary, but vital as well. You pay with your health.
(I reference make-up primarily, in this case, but there are other products and procedures that fall under the same.)
Furthermore, I dislike the attitude that the above is required to be 'competitive' in the search for partners, and dislike more how overemphasized hooking up and having sex is in today's culture.
When I come across someone who will love me for who I am, then that will be wonderful, but I don't need to overly conform in order to make that happen, and I would resent myself if I ever compromised my intelligence or esteem to be more like the capitalist-inspired image of what the perfect woman should be.
The perfect person is the person who spends lots of money, after all.
... Now, where did that come, I wonder...?
I just want to be myself. People are going to think what they want to about me. I mean, maybe having a piece of paper will convince some people that I'm smart - those people that put faith in pieces of paper. I went from my mom's house to my own apt and forty-hours a week. I worked my way up from retail to office environment, from PC tech to senior software analyst. I opted to start gaining experience immediately in my chosen field - IT. No one that works with me or knows me personally would call me a stupid girl - no matter how ditzy I may act at times. :) What I did, I did on my own merits, and so far, people have respected that. And I'm also proud to be able to say that. :)
Quote from: mm on July 03, 2012, 01:25:11 PM
Kadri, I think you are correct in saying that we don't appreciate many of our achievements until months or years afterwards. What is your Ph.D. subjest field? Do I understand you want to teach in an university? Congrads on your achievement.
Thanks very much mm I wouldn't have minded teaching in university, but the humanities are a constantly shrinking field, and there are plenty of people around who are more ambitious than I am when it comes to looking for jobs. What I really need to do is work out how to transfer the skill set I acquired to some other occupation. I wrote on the very early history of the ancestors of the Thai and Lao people who lived in southern China about 1500 years ago. One useful outcome I gained from this was being able to read Chinese quite quickly,
Quote from: Connie Anne on July 03, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
My first response was to say that this seems like a false dichotomy, to me.
Actually, I thought that a bit later on. Of course one can have both...I just need a rest from all the intellectual stuff for a while.
I heard the anecdote from another trans woman once that "Trans women are either IT experts or sex workers". She began as the first and used to tell me that she would prefer the second.
It is interesting how many trans women from more privileged backgrounds end up working in IT. I think some of it may be due to the fact that some of us hide out amongst the geeky group at school and have more contact with computers earlier on. The whole thing passed me by some time in the late 80's when our home computer broke.... I don't even know how to use an iPhone!
I've only ever been attracted to brainy women, and the same is true for all of my straight guy (admittedly geek) friends. Own your degrees, I say! Brainy is sexy, even if academia is more and more difficult to work in these days.
Btw, off-topic but since I can't send PMs yet: Cadence, your hair is gorgeous. What is that cut called? I think I might want to do something like when I transition, since my hair has thinned quite a bit.
Quote from: Kadri on July 03, 2012, 06:39:18 PM
I heard the anecdote from another trans woman once that "Trans women are either IT experts or sex workers". She began as the first and used to tell me that she would prefer the second.
It is interesting how many trans women from more privileged backgrounds end up working in IT. I think some of it may be due to the fact that some of us hide out amongst the geeky group at school and have more contact with computers earlier on. The whole thing passed me by some time in the late 80's when our home computer broke.... I don't even know how to use an iPhone!
Speaking as a IT person leaving the field ASAP, I can say that some of what you said is true. Sort of a hide in plain sight, as a geek it was easier to avoid most of the social functions that would imply a gender. And on a computer you can escape to a world where there is no risk to being yourself. For those "expected" to go to school (I guess a privileged background), it is socially acceptable to enter IT. My (grand)parents really only had a small set of careers that would have been acceptable for me to pursue.
As far as "prefer the second" at least in that case you are honest that you are selling yourself. In far too many companies today IT has become a common cog and all individuality is suppressed. Companies complain of poor work/life balance when the employees only work 60 hours. In all but a few rare cases today you are selling your mind and life to your employer. Some are lucky enough to find a good employer, but even good companies can change over time as the market pressures of a bad economy weight upon them. I'm just a bit bitter because I'm having to walk away from 6 years of education and 15 years of work and all I have to show for it is an empty soul and damaged mind.
Now that I'm not controlled by my family anymore, I'm going back to school. I am getting my intro level prereq out of the way in the last short summer term (starting Monday the 9th) and hopefully with a full Fall/Spring term I'll have finished a second BS in Psychology so I can get into their 5 year MS/PhD program. I'll have at least 15 years then to refill my damaged soul by helping others.
I don't live in a world where being intelligent and caring a lot about your appearance are mutually exclusive. :-\
Quote from: pretty on July 05, 2012, 09:00:32 PM
I don't live in a world where being intelligent and caring a lot about your appearance are mutually exclusive. :-\
+1 I mean wth? Smart people can't look good?
Somebody is relying wayy too much on stereotypes.
Smart people (unless they are suffering from bulemia) do not purge so that they can look good.
"My first response was to say that this seems like a false dichotomy, to me." It is not a false dichotomy because you are not forced to choose between the two. You can be both if you want. In fact, in the eyes of my lover, I am both.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 05, 2012, 10:50:54 PM
"My first response was to say that this seems like a false dichotomy, to me." It is not a false dichotomy because you are not forced to choose between the two. You can be both if you want.
I've had to think about this one before forming a reply.
If it's not a false dichotomy because I am not forced to choose, then who is being forced to choose? What puts me in a place where I don't have to choose?
It looks like a false dilemma to me because you've set up the subject line that way. Now, if you had said "and/or" or if you had added "something else" to the mix, then you would open it up a little.
It isn't necessarily a false dilemma for your readers, however, since they can choose to combine your categories or ignore them and invent their own--or go entirely category-less.
A false choice dichotomy is a logical fallacy that is defined by stating that there are only two alternatives, period. In other words, if someone stated that we must either fund education or end the War in Afghanistan, that would be a false choice fallacy. Implicit in my question is what is more important to you: becoming a heteronormative "sex object" or "saving the world?" If anything, this was a rhetorical question as I thought everyone would choose to save the world. But I was proven wrong right out of the gate.
It obviously is also a very biased question as I define a real woman as someone who does not want to be a sex object and would want to "save the world." Frankly, I was just responding to the extreme amount of narcissism on these threads and suggesting there is more to being a woman than becoming a sex object.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 09, 2012, 07:26:24 PM
It obviously is also a very biased question as I define a real woman as someone who does not want to be a sex object and would want to "save the world." Frankly, I was just responding to the extreme amount of narcissism on these threads and suggesting there is more to being a woman than becoming a sex object.
Your other bias is a riot too--the one where you assume that women who focus heavily on their appearance just want to be sex objects. Maybe that one comes from how you look at women. And really it's the basis for the classic "you dress slutty and you're asking for rape."
I'm tired of people acting like beauty is an illegitimate passion. Saving the world is great, but you're hardly barking up every non-world-saver's tree here ::) It's easy to hate on a "shallow" girl, but a lot of the time the most shallow person is the one doing the hating.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 09, 2012, 07:26:24 PM
Implicit in my question is what is more important to you: becoming a heteronormative "sex object" or "saving the world?" If anything, this was a rhetorical question as I thought everyone would choose to save the world. But I was proven wrong right out of the gate.
Hey, where did I say I wanted to become a
heteronormative sex object?
Quote from: pretty on July 10, 2012, 04:35:47 AM
Your other bias is a riot too--the one where you assume that women who focus heavily on their appearance just want to be sex objects. Maybe that one comes from how you look at women. And really it's the basis for the classic "you dress slutty and you're asking for rape."
I'm tired of people acting like beauty is an illegitimate passion. Saving the world is great, but you're hardly barking up every non-world-saver's tree here ::) It's easy to hate on a "shallow" girl, but a lot of the time the most shallow person is the one doing the hating.
You know it is quite easy to make an argument without resorting to an ad hominem attack and/or misstating someone's position. Neither Pink nor I said or implied that women who focus on appearance want to be sex objects. Furthermore, if someone asks "do you want to be a sex object or save the world," you gotta assume the question is a bit tongue in cheek. In reality, a lot of beautiful women also are heavily involved in social caused. On the other hand, there is a point to be made: some of the more intense narcissism displayed on these threads is a bit misguided and, at worst, harmful and that there is more to being in a woman than asking "Mirror on the wall who is the fairest of them all?" (Of course, the answer to that is I am as my own lover says she only loves me for my body and calls me her "girl toy" and quite frankly, I kinda like it. :laugh:)
The pursuit of beauty is not illegitimate unless it reaches the point of bulimia or when it supersedes everything else.
Finally, when you accuse someone who questions extreme pursuits of beauty of being a misogynistic hater, you really have to ask yourself who is the one who is the hater.
Here is another video on beauty. I have to admit I kinda like this makeover:
dove evolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U&feature=youtu.be#)
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 09, 2012, 07:26:24 PM
It obviously is also a very biased question as I define a real woman as someone who does not want to be a sex object and would want to "save the world." Frankly, I was just responding to the extreme amount of narcissism on these threads and suggesting there is more to being a woman than becoming a sex object.
Perhaps a little more clarity at the outset would have helped, then.
I have no desire to "save the world." I do try to be the best possible person I can be.
I'm interested what you mean by "the extreme amount of narcissism," as that sounds a lot like an attack, to me. Was the purpose of this thread to show your contempt? I ask this not as a rhetorical question, but out of honest curiosity.
The first time I looked in a mirror and actually liked what I saw was shortly after my 42nd birthday. Since then, I have shared the images that have given me joy on Facebook, Photobucket, and linked to some of them here. If that is narcissism to you, then it is. To me, it's merely sharing my joy. I never really thought anything about my appearance before the age of 12. So, after 30 years of being dissatisfied with my appearance I finally like what I see. That gives me joy. I chose to share that joy. That was my only intention. Is that narcissistic?
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 10, 2012, 08:53:48 AM
Here is another video on beauty. I have to admit I kinda like this makeover:
I love watching a beauty products producer marketing "natural" as a look. They embrace a level of cynicism that I can only aspire to.
Quote from: Kadri on July 03, 2012, 06:39:18 PM
I really need to do is work out how to transfer the skill set I acquired to some other occupation. I wrote on the very early history of the ancestors of the Thai and Lao people who lived in southern China about 1500 years ago. One useful outcome I gained from this was being able to read Chinese quite quickly,
If you read Chinese fluently, plus understanding the culture nuances of that group, plus having an analytical mind ca land you a job with one of the three letter agencies
[/quote] It is interesting how many trans women from more privileged backgrounds end up working in IT. I think some of it may be due to the fact that some of us hide out amongst the geeky group at school and have more contact with computers earlier on. The whole thing passed me by some time in the late 80's when our home computer broke.... I don't even know how to use an iPhone!
[/quote]
I come from a long line of privilege scholars, but I earned my living 9snce a young age) and my degrees on my own. While I understand IT better than the average Jane, my expertise is in the biomedical field.
I also depart from the norm by having been a very popular jock, and the fact that I never hided my femaleness (to the dismay or my parents).
I read somewhere that a great proportion of GID folks are overachievers in what ever field they choose to be.
In any case, I laud you in your achievements; the success of any GID fellow is cause for celebration.. You honor us.
Quote from: peky on July 10, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
If you read Chinese fluently, plus understanding the culture nuances of that group, plus having an analytical mind ca land you a job with one of the three letter agencies....
.....In any case, I laud you in your achievements; the success of any GID fellow is cause for celebration.. You honor us.
Wow, thanks very much Peky! I went full-time a week before I handed my thesis in, so it felt like two big successes in one week.
When you say three letter agencies you mean CIA etc? I'm sure I could do jobs like that if I held the right passport, but unfortunately I am a citizen of New Zealand, a country that has really started to skimp on its public service in the last few years, So I have to look for jobs in the private sector instead.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 09, 2012, 07:26:24 PM
It obviously is also a very biased question as I define a real woman as someone who does not want to be a sex object and would want to "save the world."
Which brings us to definitional fallacies...:P
And, frankly, I'm not sure what your narcissism comment is getting at. This is a support site for a demographic that is traditionally disrespected, vilified, disinherited, physically abused, and even killed
just for existing and for looking obviously trans. Many of us come here to talk about personal milestones (lots of cis people don't "get it"), receive strokes from others (some folks can't get support anywhere else), and solicit advice about blending in (for those who want that sort of thing). If you have other goals, fine. But that doesn't mean you have to judge other people's reasons for being here.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 10, 2012, 08:53:48 AM
Furthermore, if someone asks "do you want to be a sex object or save the world," you gotta assume the question is a bit tongue in cheek.
No, I don't. I've talked to more than one individual (all women with views they labeled as "feminist") who see the world in pretty black and white terms and who feel that more than a cursory focus on appearance is akin to joining the Dark Side of the Force. Believe me, they were not kidding.
Quote from: Arch on July 11, 2012, 08:14:52 PM
No, I don't. I've talked to more than one individual (all women with views they labeled as "feminist") who see the world in pretty black and white terms and who feel that more than a cursory focus on appearance is akin to joining the Dark Side of the Force. Believe me, they were not kidding.
Context is everything. I posted this with a link to the "stupid girls video." As far as the narcissism goes, there is a lot of it but I see most of it as the same type of normal narcissism that occurs during puberty not bordering on NPD.
As far as the argument that stating the obvious--that there is a great deal of narcissism on these boards--is an attack, that is nonsense. It would only be an attack if I accused a specific person of being narcissistic. That there is a lot of narcissism on these boards is merely an observation, and an accurate one.
The accuracy of an observation depends on one's point of view.
A support site is no place to be calling anyone names, and saying there is a lot of narcissism here IS an attack. An attack with a broad brush against a lot of people. Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on July 12, 2012, 05:57:07 PM
A support site is no place to be calling anyone names, and saying there is a lot of narcissism here IS an attack. An attack with a broad brush against a lot of people. Hugs, Devlyn
Saying that there is a lot of narcissism on these boards is not name calling no matter how you try to parse it. I explained that IMNSHO it was "normal" narcissism very similar to what most normal healthy adolescents go through. Folks who are transitioning post-puberty are, in a sense, going through another adolescence so this is normal. Again, the only serious point is that there is more to being a women than having a pretty face and an hourglass figure. OTOH If you have read my posts, you would surely be saying I was the pot calling the kettle black (except that I never claimed that I was not narcissistic) as I have had around $80,000 in surgeries so that I could like what I see in the mirror!
I have read your posts, I viewed your profile before your first post. As for the pot calling the kettle black, you're wrong about me. I don't come here to call anyone anything, or compare them to others. Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on July 12, 2012, 06:34:31 PM
I have read your posts, I viewed your profile before your first post. As for the pot calling the kettle black, you're wrong about me. I don't come here to call anyone anything, or compare them to others. Hugs, Devlyn
In all due respect, you have a rather odd communication style for someone tasked to be a moderator. You accuse me of making an attack. I reply and admit I am somewhat of a hypocrite which was a general statement not directed at you personally and you say I am wrong about you when I did not make any judgement concerning you in the first place. That is, I merely stated one could accuse me of "being a pot calling a kettle black"
if one wanted to. I don't know anything about you except that you are a moderator and a cross dresser.
Thank you for noticing my odd communications style. I believe most of the members here understand me. Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on July 12, 2012, 11:12:33 PM
Thank you for noticing my odd communications style. I believe most of the members here understand me. Hugs, Devlyn
I didn't say I didn't understand you.
XOXOXOXOXO
anonymous
Quote from: Laura91 on July 12, 2012, 11:21:17 PM
Pfffft! Your style isn't odd.
THIS is odd:
skeenfuhdurrspoochuhnooo hibba jubba hibba blurpblorp
Ice Cream
Herrfaderffa fleeefen stullluhdooo
Can you make heads or tails of this? Because I have no idea what is going on here.
"My dog goes nuts over ice cream, but unfortunately, it gives him the runs."
Quote from: Jaime on July 12, 2012, 11:31:54 PM
"My dog goes nuts over ice cream, but unfortunately, it gives him the runs."
TMI >:-) >:-) >:-) >:-) >:-)
Hi friends :)
This was a ridiculous topic to begin with, so guess what? It's all over now
Topic locked
Thank you
V M
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 12, 2012, 05:40:27 PM
As far as the argument that stating the obvious--that there is a great deal of narcissism on these boards--is an attack, that is nonsense. It would only be an attack if I accused a specific person of being narcissistic. That there is a lot of narcissism on these boards is merely an observation, and an accurate one.
You might want to go back and reread my post. I never used the word "attack" or any of its variants. I used the word "judge." I should also point out that a person can indeed attack an entire group of people. I don't know where you got the idea that such a thing isn't possible. Anyway, the topic is locked, so this is likely my last comment in this thread, as I don't find much pleasure in talking to dead space.