Wishlist for now:
Mandatory:
- Hairline advancement and/or frontal bone reshaping
- Thyroid cartilage remodelation (Adam's apple) ( With another surgery)
- Nasal Surgery
- Corner lift / whatever can restore simery to my mouth.
Interested:
- Upper Lip Lifting
- Jaw / Chin
- Cheek implant
- dermabrasion
Uhm... my face is just like yours. I have deep set eyes and the strong brow. So does my daughter and she's one of the most beautiful creatures on the planet. Seriously. Check out Brooke Shields if you don't believe me (no, Brooke isn't mine... I'm just sayin). I didn't have FFS. Worry about it later. You have other things to worry about. My facial fat changed significantly and it wasn't entirely to HRT. In fact, just getting rid of my five o'clock shadow was the single best thing I could have done. I started that long before anything else. I just told the electrologist that I wanted to prevent ingrown hairs. She was cool with it. I didn't tell her for months!
Apples - first, your photos are not disgusting. :) This is you and only very few are gifted with great feminine features right at the beginning.
If I were in your shoes, I'd take measurements to remove the facial hair at first. Just the smoother look of your skin will provide a much less masculine appearance. Also, you would find make-up being much more effective as it would be right now. Certainly, this is a procedure which would take time. I lost the majority of black and thick hair after a year with laser hair removal.
I've seen a lot of good to very good results with FFS. But even with FFS, you would still need to get rid of the facial hair.
I'm on hormones for seven or eight years now. Definitely there have been changes to my face and I can pass pretty well with a little make-up applied. In some cases hormones only do the job for somebody's face but I'm still unhappy. It depends on you (and of course on your budget and "threshold for toil") whether you would like FFS right now or maybe after a while of hormonal exposure.
And don't bury your head in the sand. I'm sure there is still a lot of potential for change in your body only that it cannot happen from one moment to the next.
All the best! :)
Quote from: Apples on July 31, 2012, 03:48:37 AM
Good morning. Just a doubt I was having. I still keep thinking about going MTF, but at 29 my face is rather unpassable. A prominent brow bone, deep set eyes and a gigantic nose (this is what I hate most about me. I don't have the strenght or time to do a full FFS, but if I could at least do one or two things to improve my appearance and help me pass a bit more... Which ones would be the most effective ones to get a bit more effeminated look?
More or less I look like this now (still afraid to crossdress or start with makeup, but just a matter of time) on my hideous morning face:
Warning: Really disgusting photos.
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[url=http://i.imgur.com/9shjA.jpg]http://i.imgur.com/9shjA.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/9shjA.jpg)[/url]
[url=http://i.imgur.com/kLWzx.jpg]http://i.imgur.com/kLWzx.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/kLWzx.jpg)[/url]
I don't know. The gender dysphoria kicks at different levels during the week, but when I see my face, I cannot stand it, and it just keeps getting worse with time. Combined with HRT, Do I have any hopes or should I get back to weightlifting?
is it just your face you feel dysphoric about or your body too ?
Quote from: mementomori on August 01, 2012, 06:19:23 AM
is it just your face you feel dysphoric about or your body too ?
The body too, although I have more hopes for my body than my face.
a face can be changed ALOT with surgety so don' t worry about that
Tgirl Nina on Entertainment Tonight Canada (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlihfZUvkJo#) look how mauscline she was beforehand
The problem is that my face still gets over me as the main factor stopping me from moving forward. Some thing can be hidden, others not. I don't know how will I look in a future. That femilife clinic I keep hearing about sounds interesting, but the problem would be getting all the money. If I want to move from my parents home, that would mean no money for years. I've been saving for years for a home and I could possibly pay it now, but... It will mean spending half of my savings from the last 5 years. Maybe I should delay leaving?
Sweetie, in the end ALL is a question of priorities. The money that will be available to you will be gone for other things if you decide to wait.
I had a very similar situation and decided I can do with a lot less of other stuff but had to move on with FFS. In my case age also plays a roll of course. So I DID IT.
Pray for guidance and direction - and then move in the right direction.
That's what I did... :)
Axélle
I agree with Axelle spend the money on ffs
Quote from: mementomori on August 01, 2012, 06:41:16 AM
a face can be changed ALOT with surgety so don' t worry about that
Tgirl Nina on Entertainment Tonight Canada (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlihfZUvkJo#) look how mauscline she was beforehand
First of all: you need A LOT of money to have tons and tons of surgery like she had.
Second: choosing between looking (slightly) masculine and totally plastic, fake, overdone, even alien is an easy one for me personally:
I'd rather remain looking slightly masculine and natural than ending up looking like
that.What does she look like without make up and her wig/hairextentions?How the hell will she look like when she grows older??
Quote from: Apples on July 31, 2012, 03:48:37 AM
Good morning. Just a doubt I was having. I still keep thinking about going MTF, but at 29 my face is rather unpassable. A prominent brow bone, deep set eyes and a gigantic nose (this is what I hate most about me. I don't have the strenght or time to do a full FFS, but if I could at least do one or two things to improve my appearance and help me pass a bit more... Which ones would be the most effective ones to get a bit more effeminated look?
More or less I look like this now (still afraid to crossdress or start with makeup, but just a matter of time) on my hideous morning face:
Warning: Really disgusting photos.
[url=https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C0_kj1zS95U/UAlkp3y5IQI/AAAAAAAABIA/ffYt1Xv7zsE/s640/_MG_3650.jpg]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C0_kj1zS95U/UAlkp3y5IQI/AAAAAAAABIA/ffYt1Xv7zsE/s640/_MG_3650.jpg (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C0_kj1zS95U/UAlkp3y5IQI/AAAAAAAABIA/ffYt1Xv7zsE/s640/_MG_3650.jpg)[/url]
[url=https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1gPYEUE571s/UBI9wE6weRI/AAAAAAAABJo/4zfaW0x9R_o/s669-c-k/2012%2B09%253A05%253A33.jpg]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1gPYEUE571s/UBI9wE6weRI/AAAAAAAABJo/4zfaW0x9R_o/s669-c-k/2012%2B09%253A05%253A33.jpg (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1gPYEUE571s/UBI9wE6weRI/AAAAAAAABJo/4zfaW0x9R_o/s669-c-k/2012%2B09%253A05%253A33.jpg)[/url]
[url=http://i.imgur.com/9shjA.jpg]http://i.imgur.com/9shjA.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/9shjA.jpg)[/url]
[url=http://i.imgur.com/kLWzx.jpg]http://i.imgur.com/kLWzx.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/kLWzx.jpg)[/url]
I don't know. The gender dysphoria kicks at different levels during the week, but when I see my face, I cannot stand it, and it just keeps getting worse with time. Combined with HRT, Do I have any hopes or should I get back to weightlifting?
The first picture looks terrible because it's taken from below the face and all the shadows the overhead lightning casts.
On the other pictures you look nice, soft features, soft eyes. Deepset eyes aren't ugly at all...
I agree with the others: get rid of your beardshadow first and hormones will soften your features as well.
Quote from: Dahlia on August 02, 2012, 03:27:11 PM
How the hell will she look like when she grows older??
Like Petunia from Futurama?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fde.futuramapedia.net%2Fimages%2F4%2F40%2FPetunia.png&hash=69dbb9315afb06163804a1f9e5a07192e08d7cda)
Agreed, the transgered beauty comes from the mixture of facial fetures, at least for me. I guess the best is not worry a lot about this until some time after starting transition. Reducing the apple could be more than enough for me.
Quote from: Dahlia on August 02, 2012, 03:27:11 PM
First of all: you need A LOT of money to have tons and tons of surgery like she had.
Second: choosing between looking (slightly) masculine and totally plastic, fake, overdone, even alien is an easy one for me personally:
I'd rather remain looking slightly masculine and natural than ending up looking like that.
What does she look like without make up and her wig/hairextentions?
How the hell will she look like when she grows older??
i guess everyone has different desires , id sacrifice natural looks for femininity in my face even if it meant looking really done and artificial
Quote from: Dahlia on August 02, 2012, 03:27:11 PM
First of all: you need A LOT of money to have tons and tons of surgery like she had.
Second: choosing between looking (slightly) masculine and totally plastic, fake, overdone, even alien is an easy one for me personally:
I'd rather remain looking slightly masculine and natural than ending up looking like that.
What does she look like without make up and her wig/hairextentions?
she spent around 200,000 over ten years on surgery thats doable with a full time job if you dont have kids and live a expensive lifestyle otherwise i guess
she got it through sex work though
How the hell will she look like when she grows older??
Today I paid a free visit to a surgery clinic (normal one), to check about my face status. Looks like, yes, I am in need of a blepharoplasty, even in my current status.
I would do these things later, maybe one year after HRT, but the only things I would touch about my are reducing the brone and fixing the eyelids, plus the adam's apple reduction. Maybe Rynophasty in a future, but that is enough to make me feel better.
For now, I am sticking with hair removal, and maybe remove two skin imperfections that really get on my nerves.
Hi Apples,
In all honesty, I don't find your face offensive in any, way, shape or form.
HRT, a three hour session at any beauty salon, the right hair and you'll pass anywhere. The HRT, you'll have to let it run its course over a few years, then correct whatever, if ever, what's necessary.
Your first endeavours into transitioning should be, (1) Voice and (2) developing that woman within. She is the one that when affirmed and validated will shine from the inside out. Making it impossible for any one to believe you are not the authentic one. It's here the rubber meets the road.
If your inner woman isn't working, NO external modifications will convince any one, that you are nothing but a man in a dress.
Rid yourself of GID through GCS and then work on anything else. If there is anything else after that.
Be safe, well and happy
Lotsa huggs
Catherine
Biggest problem is that I can't know what is to be a woman, and will never know after I start HRT. I can't see many differences in the daily routine. And still not sure about if I am something in the middle.
And can't practice anything if living with my parents.
Hi Apples,
Quote from: Apples on August 04, 2012, 12:26:47 PM
Biggest problem is that I can't know what is to be a woman,
OK. Solution. (1) Relax. (2) watch, observe, listen and study women. Get as close to them as possible and just study their habits. This exercise alone will in some way, shape or form, will formalise your understanding of yourself.
Quote from: Apples on August 04, 2012, 12:26:47 PM
and will never know after I start HRT.
Correction. You'll have a greater understanding. Not only does estrogen and the reduction of 'T' in your system have physical ramifications, there are also major psychological changes that occur as well.
Quote from: Apples on August 04, 2012, 12:26:47 PM
I can't see many differences in the daily routine.
It's not until you experience 'weightlessness' that you appreciate the principles behind it.
Quote from: Apples on August 04, 2012, 12:26:47 PM
And still not sure about if I am something in the middle.
The sooner you progress through the therapy system, the sooner you'll have a greater understanding of yourself.
Quote from: Apples on August 04, 2012, 12:26:47 PM
And can't practice anything if living with my parents.
I tend to disagree. Necessity is the mother of invention. If you need to operate in 'stealth' for your own psychological wellbeing, then operate in stealth. After all, this is your life, not some one Else's. Practice you voice in your bedroom or some other isolated region of the home. If you are committed, there is no such word as 'can't'
Huggs
Catherine
Quote from: Catherine Sarah on August 04, 2012, 12:59:17 PM
Correction. You'll have a greater understanding. Not only does estrogen and the reduction of 'T' in your system have physical ramifications, there are also major psychological changes that occur as well.
Sorry, my bad. I meant to say "and will never know until I start HRT".QuoteIt's not until you experience 'weightlessness' that you appreciate the principles behind it.
I hope, I hope. Whenever I walk I feel like riding a tank.PS: One weird thing. Usually I had to milk the small guy almost every day to have a bit of mind peace, and since I started with all of this my libido is almost dead. Weird, isn't it?
Quote from: Apples on August 04, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
Sorry, my bad. I meant to say "and will never know until I start HRT".
I hope, I hope. Whenever I walk I feel like riding a tank.
PS: One weird thing. Usually I had to milk the small guy almost every day to have a bit of mind peace, and since I started with all of this my libido is almost dead. Weird, isn't it?
its dead even without hormones ?
Lately yes, although it could be caused by practically everything, from the stress at work to the anxiety. I't never been like this...
mines been dead for ages till recently but its still low , i guess that just proves its mental a lot of the time
Quote from: mementomori on August 04, 2012, 12:29:40 AM
i guess everyone has different desires , id sacrifice natural looks for femininity in my face even if it meant looking really done and artificial
meme,
At what stage are you in your "transition?"
---Callie
In answer to the actual OP heading ~ "... which be the most important one FFS procedure" I NOW feel, - after chin reduction and facelift – and not having had done anything about the forehead, brow-bossing... et al, - the forehead seems VERY important. VERY!
Is this because I got the bottom part of my face done? It's not easy to say, as I clearly did not like how my chin changed, had become more and more prominent during the later years of my life. It actually had bugged me, long before Transition was on my mind. In profile I thought I looked a bit like a 'Nutcracker' and I found this to be a simply too strong a feature – though not immediately noticeable from the front view. Take a second look at my avatar you might just get what I'm trying to say.
Now, there are females, always older ones, that have prominent chins.
Yet, I still have to see one, older or younger, that has the more typical kind of male brow-bossing/brow-ridge. And believe you me, I look, and look, and then some. Brow-bossing must count as one of THE most unusual facial features with the vast majority of females. Caucasian and Asian.
It is just so different to note, once one has become aware of this male feature, and much more so, with Caucasian male features - I NEVER consciously took note of it before.
I now think that forehead contouring is actually THE most important of FFS. But it is ALSO the most invasive, no doubt about that - for me.
It will be interesting for me to hear if anyone has a different experience. It be really interesting.
Axélle
I have to agree with Axélle. For me the forehead reconstruction/lift, scalp, nose combo was what really made a difference and the forehead being my favorite new feature after FFS. My forehead wasn't terrible to begin with but there was some brow-bossing and hooding of the eyes.
I had the type III procedure done where the forehead was peeled down and then the bone over the sinus removed, reshaped and put into place again. People have thought I was nuts when I've told them about it but actually it's no where near as bad as one thinks. Actually aside from the discomfort, migraines and puking the first few days there was no pain in this area what so ever. I'd have to say the chin/jaw was a hell of a lot worse.
In any case, you should wait at least a year and a half after starting hrt before you have any procedures done.
I had a forehead shave, rhinoplasty and trachial shave. The forehead shave opened up the eyes and lifted up the eyebrows. I couldn't have survived without a trachial shave either. The pain from the sutures, ear to ear, was unbearable for a number of days.
Quote from: Felicitá on August 07, 2012, 01:21:51 PM
I had a forehead shave, rhinoplasty and trachial shave. The forehead shave opened up the eyes and lifted up the eyebrows. I couldn't have survived without a trachial shave either. The pain from the sutures, ear to ear, was unbearable for a number of days.
Really? I had little pain from them though they sort felt like I had an itch. However, having the staples and sutures removed was orgasmic. It felt so incredible good when they took them out.
Quote from: MariaMx on August 07, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Really? I had little pain from them though they sort felt like I had an itch. However, having the staples and sutures removed was orgasmic. It felt so incredible good when they took them out.
It could be because I had a brow lift at the same time so the stiches were very tight and pulling. But the pain was the worst I ever had. However, I'd do it 100x over.
Quote from: mementomori on August 01, 2012, 06:41:16 AM
a face can be changed ALOT with surgety so don' t worry about that
Tgirl Nina on Entertainment Tonight Canada (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlihfZUvkJo#) look how mauscline she was beforehand
Beforehand?
Quote from: MariaMx on August 07, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
I have to agree with Axélle. For me the forehead reconstruction/lift, scalp, nose combo was what really made a difference and the forehead being my favorite new feature after FFS. My forehead wasn't terrible to begin with but there was some brow-bossing and hooding of the eyes.
I had the type III procedure done where the forehead was peeled down and then the bone over the sinus removed, reshaped and put into place again. People have thought I was nuts when I've told them about it but actually it's no where near as bad as one thinks. Actually aside from the discomfort, migraines and puking the first few days there was no pain in this area what so ever. I'd have to say the chin/jaw was a hell of a lot worse.
In any case, you should wait at least a year and a half after starting hrt before you have any procedures done.
I did most of that with no rhino because I already had a "perfect" nose. But what did it for me was the BA, then a facelift and keeping the weight off.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on August 07, 2012, 09:56:22 AM
meme,
At what stage are you in your "transition?"
---Callie
whys that? i guess im different becuase i actually enjoy the articial look like overperfected noses , large lips and big cheek implants like allanah starr etc has
I guess we all have different standards of beauty. Truthfully, it's uncommon for people to prefer the artificial and overdone look, but I suppose every style must have its supporters - such is the nature of humanity.
I feel that the most important FFS surgery, on average, would be forehead/brow bossing work. And, well, if I had to choose a second, it would probably be hairline - but one might lump that in with forehead work, so perhaps the nose, since forehead and nose are very usually done as a pair in FFS.
FFS is as different from person to person as things tend to get, though. But for you, Apples, the above is all I could ethically suggest. With a little laser, some hormones, growing your hair out, and the like... it may be that you can pass without FFS (in fact, I would be surprised if you didn't, at least facially)... but you may appreciate the procedures I listed simply for the purposes of vanity.
Quote from: mementomori on August 08, 2012, 04:23:45 AM
whys that? i guess im different becuase i actually enjoy the articial look like overperfected noses , large lips and big cheek implants like allanah starr etc has
That strikes me as strange....wanting FFS to avoid unwanted attention as a male looking MTF...then having most obvious, overdone looking surgery most certainly attracting attention again for overly surgical done looking?
Which people regard as even more negative than masculine looking?
Quote from: Dahlia on August 08, 2012, 05:54:02 AM
That strikes me as strange....wanting FFS to avoid unwanted attention as a male looking MTF...then having most obvious, overdone looking surgery most certainly attracting attention again for overly surgical done looking?
i dress " goth' and wear lots of makeup so ill always attract attention i guess its not my motivation though , i just go for a certain look i like and if people think its strange or stare then meh whatever :P
I visited a general aesthetic clinic, and they told me that yes, I need a bit of superior blepharoplasty (Although not a lot). I don't want my face's structure to change a lot, but since this can only be done once I don't know If I should get it done in a man style now or leave it for later when I get a Rhynoplasty.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A0Z3IVyz_xs/UBooiE34SDI/AAAAAAAABKc/R_hv1Lo8guA/s382/badu.jpg)
I doubt HRT can reduce the excess of skin over my eyes.
Oh, curious. That's excess skin, eh?
Guess I might have to get one of those someday. Definitely prioritizing other stuff over it, since it's a smallish detail by the looks of it, but it's... on the table! :)
It's actually kind of funny with me. The space above my right eye is droopier than on my left eye, which results in making my eyebrows a bit... unevenly elevated? :P
More or less, but my problem is with the excess of skin on the eyelids, instead of the eyebrows. When I am relaxed, one will tend to fall down more than the other, giving it a quasimodo look. I need to be extra careful, specially when bein photographed.
I don't know If removing the excess of skin would be enough for me, since I am not sure about how much I will want to reshape my face later. Maybe I could be happy with how I look and ask them to only remove the excess of skin?
Upper bleph is usually performed together with the forehead job. My full list of procedures I had done for the mid/upper face is scalp advancment, forehead type III procedure, shaving of the orbial rims, superior blepharoplasty, forehead lift and reconstructive rhinoplasty. I don't know how much good an upper bleph would do without shaving of the orbital rims. My advice to you would be to wait to see what hrt will do, then you can more accuratly assess what to have done. Getting rid of the facial hair also makes a huge difference and should be prioritized before any sort of surgery.
Nah, it's just the usual problem. Watching my face for a long time will make me lose my faith.
I don't want to burn a lot of money before time, but I could start with brackets for the upper teeth (1000€) and whitening, apart from a facial peeling to finally clean the skin. Everything depends on if I keep the job or not, so no big expenses before that.
So for now:
09/2012: Facial peeling
10/2012: fixing defect on nose
11/2012: teeth whitening
12/2012: brackets
01/2013: Facial Electrolysis start
Your facial hair appears to be dark enough to suggest that laser might be an efficient course of action preluding electrolysis.
I think that one was a 3 day beard, xD. It takes me one week to grow 3 milimeters of hair. And I hate it. I will shave between two and three days per week, that's the limit my skin has for regenerating. The problem is that before starting any of this I need to know that my job position is safe.
Still, Now I get the shadow more often than before. Maybe I should try a better razor.
Quote from: mementomori on August 08, 2012, 04:23:45 AM
whys that? i guess im different becuase i actually enjoy the articial look like overperfected noses , large lips and big cheek implants like allanah starr etc has
I just like to know what make people "tick." So you like this look? Would you like to look like this or is it that you consider it attractive in others? Or both?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3645%2F3620802670_2a31e14c79_z.jpg&hash=9f25c4005aeb95eb7566c0cad2ba6653a9783338)Allanah Starr
Starr? The one that has Zeppelins instead of breasts? Never paid a lot of attention to the faces, although now every time I access ->-bleeped-<-stardb I'm paying more and more atention to the facial features.
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on August 08, 2012, 01:58:45 PM
I just like to know what make people "tick." So you like this look? Would you like to look like this or is it that you consider it attractive in others? Or both?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3645%2F3620802670_2a31e14c79_z.jpg&hash=9f25c4005aeb95eb7566c0cad2ba6653a9783338)Allanah Starr
yea i love her nose and lips
Quote from: mementomori on August 08, 2012, 02:57:37 PM
yea i love her nose and lips
You don't need that much money to have surgery like this...especially the hideous fishlips. Any given backstreet plastic surgeon or doctor will blow 'em out with silicone for a reasonble price.
And the cheekbones too.
lol i would get silicon if it wasn't so risky to personal health , i don't think anyone even does it in australia anyway
Quote from: mementomori on August 08, 2012, 03:38:28 PM
lol i would get silicon if it wasn't so risky to personal health , i don't think anyone even does it in australia anyway
Or any other permanent filler..
Apples here is a morph I did of your face after: rhinoplasty, jawplasty, lip & corner lift, brow bone shaving, hair transplant/removal and fat graft
Before:
[EDITED]
After:
[EDITED]
Notice how you look more happy and youthful, at this stage all you would have to do is wait for HRT to do its business, but if you were ever to choose not to transition you would still look good as a male. Some FFS procedures should be avoided, such as brow lifts and extreme jaw contouring unless you're 100% sure you want to go this way.
*PM me if you want the pix removed*
Quote from: 8888 on August 11, 2012, 02:23:37 PM
Apples here is a morph I did of your face after: rhinoplasty, jawplasty, lip & corner lift, brow bone shaving, hair transplant/removal and fat graft
Before:
Notice how you look more happy and youthful, at this stage all you would have to do is wait for HRT to do its business, but if you were ever to choose not to transition you would still look good as a male. Some FFS procedures should be avoided, such as brow lifts and extreme jaw contouring unless you're 100% sure you want to go this way.
*PM me if you want the pix removed*
Holy... Cow. I don't know what to say.You just made me get on top of a ladder and look for my old school photos. Minus the nose (which was even bigger when I was a kid), that's exactly how I looked prior to puberty, and when I still knew how to smile. I'm crying at this moment. Sorry, I'll let you know later, almost can't see the screen now.
Sorry. You just unlocked another part of my mind I had forgotten a long time ago. When the changes came and everything started to go bad. You have reminded me of a time when I knew what true happiness was, before I started to hate my body and I started to feel like the ugliest kid on school, before I was the punching ball of the school, before all the girls started rejecting my company and nobody would accept me anymore. I never wanted to be like this, I only endured and enclosed myself.
Thanks for this gift. This is the memory I have been looking for and could never find. My decision is taken now. It's not only the body, I want to have that life I lost years ago.
Crap, still crying again.
:icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_hug:
*Catherine reaching for a box of tissues* Here Hun, you need these. Just go for it.
A good cry washes away a lot of built up crap. That's what they were designed to do.
The good news though, is nothing has been wasted or lost. 8888 found the part of you that was missing and the time you think you wasted , in fact was you just taking your time. Making sure that this decision you've taken WAS the RIGHT one.
Nothing unusual about that.
It just guarantees that from here on in, to your final destination there will be no ambiguity or second thoughts. It's straight down to business, with FOCUS. Just wait for the, passion, to kick in and we'll have to stand back in fear of being run over by you.
Go for it girl.
Huggs
Catherine
Hi Apples, I am glad you have found something that makes you happy.
If you have decided that this is what you want then go for it girl, find a good doctor/gender clinic, start with therapy and find your happiness.
I know you are a strong willed person and its sometimes good to let yourself cry.
Take care of yourself.
Yup, It's incredible how some things are lost, and how you find them on the least expected place
I think I will go with those. Oh, one thing for sure: no touching of the forehead. I do want to reshape the brow bone (even If I werent trans), but leaving my brain on the open and putting screws there is a no-no. Bangs or hair covering it will be more than enough.
Quote from: Apples on August 14, 2012, 03:34:12 AM
Yup, It's incredible how some things are lost, and how you find them on the least expected place
I think I will go with those. Oh, one thing for sure: no touching of the forehead. I do want to reshape the brow bone (even If I werent trans), but leaving my brain on the open and putting screws there is a no-no. Bangs or hair covering it will be more than enough.
?Your sinuses will be opened from the outside, your brain won't be exposed...but bangs is a good idea if you want to avoid invasive surgery.
Quote from: mementomori on August 04, 2012, 12:29:40 AM
i guess everyone has different desires , id sacrifice natural looks for femininity in my face even if it meant looking really done and artificial
The same for me, I guess.
Quote from: Dahlia on August 14, 2012, 06:57:28 AM
?Your sinuses will be opened from the outside, your brain won't be exposed...but bangs is a good idea if you want to avoid invasive surgery.
I don't know why but, I iwas thing that they would remove all the forehead to reshape it, and put it back in place... Are we talking about the brow ridge or re contouring the forehead? This last one, I suppose it will require some sort of prostetic...
I have been thinking about the corner lip lifts. I have an asymetrical face, with a drooping mouth to one side (and this is one of those things I consider important to fix, it is why I avoid photographs or smiling).. I have read that it can be used to correct this problem, so I would be taking it too. From what I could read, a facelift might also help.
Think it can be solved?
http://i.imgur.com/aQ5H2.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/aQ5H2.jpg)
You will say that it does not look that bad, but when I try to smile is when it is noticeable.
Aafter reading about the warnings on FFS, I'm taking the approach of thinking about what I really need, and the minimum, the better. I may want to fix the lip, nose and brow, but for the time being I am ok with my chin or jaw. Although since those are the things that I wanted to do prior to accepting the GID, I don't know if they count as FFS.